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[Android] [POLL] Bugtracking/Communication system

Hi guys,
so, as there are some possibilities, and the question arised, here's a little poll for you.
It's about how developers and users/testers of Android should best communicate.
Quick overview:
This thread has 4k+ entries now, but many people are watching it. It's more like an IRC channel, though.
The Linux-To-Go site has 4 different trackers (bugs, patches, support, feature requests), and a news system and a little bit more. Sometimes it is quite slow, but since they've just got a new sponsor, I think they're working out how to distribute the load.
I have already asked whether we can have a subforum, and the site admin seemed positive about it, but wanted to see into which directions the Mod's discussions were.
If you have a better idea, please post!
Stefan

I prefer the googlecode bugtracker, since the most people dosnt need to create an new account, it is simple but powerfull. And the ui looks much better then the Linux-To-Go one.

Looks like guys here voting mostly for just subforum. May I suggest in this case that there would be few sticky topics for guides/overall discussion and the rest is topic per bug type-o-thing? Someone would be a moderator, of course.

it doesn't even matter what we / you think - the only votes that matter are the ones of the developers.
git seems to work quite well for developing - if ltg is too slow - it shouldn't be a problem to clone it to a faster repo elsewhere (afaik there's already a faster one in place - can't remember the address) - also after the initial setup it doesn't really matter how slow it is anymore (unless you don't know how to use git and constantly start over from scratch).
As for bugtracking - are there developers interested in bugtracking? I think they're well aware of what needs work.
(e.g. for Polaris it's documented in the wiki)
What we really need at the moment is kernel developers for various devices.
just my 2 ¢

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I don't dislike the idea of a full thread as it was...but i feel we should split threats into 50 posts. After could be "Part II" , "Part III"...etc.
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excogitation said:
As for bugtracking - are there developers interested in bugtracking? I think they're well aware of what needs work.
(e.g. for Polaris it's documented in the wiki)
What we really need at the moment is kernel developers for various devices.
just my 2 ¢
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Actually, I suggested a bug tracker, even for developers-internal use because then one can see what the other devs are working on and that one doesn't have to care about the problem...
More developers would be good, of course!!
Stefan

seidler2547 said:
Actually, I suggested a bug tracker, even for developers-internal use because then one can see what the other devs are working on and that one doesn't have to care about the problem...
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There is more to it. First, more eyes will be able to find more bugs. Second, bug tracker allows instead of keeping all bugs in head, constantly trying to remember them all, keep in head only one on which working currently, while the rest is recorded in database according to their priority. No one has superhuman memory. Also, bugtracking important because people generally happier with product that is with not too many features but robust rather than product with whole bunch of awesomeness but also hosting whole hive of bugs. Here's good article on bugtracking.

Thanks MooNWalker. Seems we should try to push a bit more for a subforum, and use the bugtracker for the reasons you said. We should see if the LTG one can be extended so that people will not have to sign up in order to make contributions. The site itself seems fast right now.
Stefan

Ok, we will try with the bugtracker.
Go here to see the bugs and to enter new ones.
Stefan

@seidler2547: Can you change something there? It is currently not obvious that this is the bugtracker for Kaiser Android. You have to know that this is the right place there. If i was new here and i what to fast post a bug, i will be very confused if the bugtracker is the right one.

Hi lanwin, dzo set up the tracker name. Anyway, it is a bit cryptic because it is not only for Kaiser Android. It is for running Linux (and with it Android) on MSM7x00 devices, that is Kaiser, Nike, Polaris, Vogue and so on. We have a common hardware base, so we coordinate our development. You know you're on the right bug tracker because -> the link here says so, and -> this is the only one in mobile-linux you can report bugs without logging in
Having said that, we can think about the name nevertheless. What do you suggest?
Stefan

Hi Stefan, yep i know that but a non technical user wouldn't do. Even if it is ugly, i suggest "Android for Kaiser, Nike, Polaris, Vogue (MSM7x00)".
Anyway, thanks for bringing Android for this platforms forward!

new sub forum
i think a sub forum is good because it will allow for more specific threads.
it will also allow us to get an rss feed of all things android
finally, can't the current long thread just be moved into the sub-forum? no one will be forced to start or look at new threads, but it will be there.
Does it really affect anything in a negative way or preclude the other options?
Android development is only going to pickup, and i expect we will see a corresponding drop off in WM.
Lets think about what the development scene is going to look like in 2 years... even after we've all moved on from our current phones.
The question is: Can/Should/Will xda-devs be the place for android development too?

seidler2547 said:
Having said that, we can think about the name nevertheless. What do you suggest?
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Put link to bugtracker in Android on HTC wiki. Might be helpfull to put it in first post on main thread.

I think this bugtracker was for the full Android port, but it seems that it is only for the kernel so all my bugs are closed with "This is not related to this project (Linux kernel for mobile devices) but to the google android user space and must hence be moved.".
Where to report user spaces related bugs?

That is a good question. I have seen the close, but I'm not too happy with it, although I understand the reasons. Maybe we need to make an extra google bugtracker, as someone suggested.
Stefan

I think the original android post has really become quite cumbersome, I voted for a subforum but I don't really care as long as I am able to see what is going on. The old post has become unorganized there are a bunch of different sites and stuff on that post to get builds and kernels and what not from and I have become somewhat confused with it all. I am curious though as to how many people are actually working on this at our end the only one I see actively posting is seidler is dzo or polypoly still working on it. I'm having problems getting some of the files required listed on source.android.com fiqured I would give it a wack, probly a short wack.

seidler2547 said:
That is a good question. I have seen the close, but I'm not too happy with it, although I understand the reasons. Maybe we need to make an extra google bugtracker, as someone suggested.
Stefan
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This was me I am against a sub forum. Forums are very bad in cases of a bugtracking functionality because there is no bug management available and users tend to use one thread for bug reporting, questions and discussion where it is really hard to find out the bugs for the devs.
I think there should only be one bugtracker for the users because the most of them can not distinguish between user space and kernel space bugs and requests.
I suggest to open a user friendly google code bugtracker and some of the devs move bugs related to kernel space over to the other bugtracker.

Development : Posting ROM issues in the first post?

I've happily owned a G2X for almost 7 months now, and have used a custom rom for essentially the entire time.
Prior to the G2X, i used the HTC HD2 - a Windows 6.5 phone that gained notoriety after having android ported to it through the hard work of developers.
However, one thing that I feel is truly missing from the development community here is what most HD2 devs did; that is, they disclosed the problems with their ROM in the first post of their threads.
So, rather than having to hunt through a 200+ page thread, not knowing what build people are referring to, in order to find out issues with a ROM, it would very much simplify the ROM selection process if devs would disclose known issues such as "non working camera" etc.
Obviously every issue cant be accounted for, but I think the big ones being posted would help clarify a lot of things.
Thoughts?
Edit:
For example, here's a link to one of tytung's HD2 roms (he's one of the more popular developers for the HD2):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1434860
If you scroll down, you'll see he has a list of "working" and "not working" features.

Nobody has any interest in something like this?

Well the thing is all our rooms are based off stock,cm7, or cm9 in one way or another. So everyone knows of the known issues. If its a weird issue out of the norm its usually stated.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using xda premium

Reasoning above doesn't hold up, because each rom has things that are fixed or not fixed individually.
I'm not sure of the reasoning, and i guess different devs might have different reasons. Depending on their priorities and skill levels.
Of course if someone is cooking and theming and/or just vanilla compiling then maybe there's less reason (and perhaps more reason to deemphasize bugs?).
Anyways, i agree that an informative first post with a real change log and working and non working features is a very handy thing to have.
Sent from my LG-P999

kwes1020 said:
Well the thing is all our rooms are based off stock,cm7, or cm9 in one way or another. So everyone knows of the known issues. If its a weird issue out of the norm its usually stated.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using xda premium
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I don't think everyone knows the issues. In fact, if you're new to the community you certainly wont.
Stating the problems is what sparked a ton of competition in the HD2 dev community. The first guy to fix the camera, first guy to fix bluetooth powerdrain etc always got a ton of donations and a better rep. I just don't see that competition here at all.
I don't care about a custom bootloader image or some custom wallpapers. I care about the issues being fixed, and I would love to know which devs are the ones fixing them!

rkarsk said:
I don't think everyone knows the issues. In fact, if you're new to the community you certainly wont.
Stating the problems is what sparked a ton of competition in the HD2 dev community. The first guy to fix the camera, first guy to fix bluetooth powerdrain etc always got a ton of donations and a better rep. I just don't see that competition here at all.
I don't care about a custom bootloader image or some custom wallpapers. I care about the issues being fixed, and I would love to know which devs are the ones fixing them!
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It really doesn't matter who fixed them, as long as they're fixed. It's not a competition over here. The devs here help each other, especially with ICS. If one of us has a fix for something, it's shared and we all get it. Majority of the people doing the reading that they're supposed to do know the issues that we have with this phone. It just comes down to, are you willing to read to get all of the facts?

Mr. Apocalypse said:
It really doesn't matter who fixed them, as long as they're fixed. It's not a competition over here. The devs here help each other, especially with ICS. If one of us has a fix for something, it's shared and we all get it. Majority of the people doing the reading that they're supposed to do know the issues that we have with this phone. It just comes down to, are you willing to read to get all of the facts?
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Exactly. We don't do this for competition. We do this as a hobby and we all learn from each other. And even the best developers out there are still learning. If you think developers do this for money you are sadly mistaken, money is in app development not roms.
We all have families, kids, school, jobs and a real life. Therefore free time is hard to come by.
You can go to any development thread skim over the last two pages and have the known issues.
bluenote73 said:
Reasoning above doesn't hold up, because each rom has things that are fixed or not fixed individually.
I'm not sure of the reasoning, and i guess different devs might have different reasons. Depending on their priorities and skill levels.
Of course if someone is cooking and theming and/or just vanilla compiling then maybe there's less reason (and perhaps more reason to deemphasize bugs?).
Anyways, i agree that an informative first post with a real change log and working and non working features is a very handy thing to have.
Sent from my LG-P999
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If you can't see the reasoning. Then I would like to see the roms you have posted that are not based on one of the bases I listed.
There is this thing called github that most of us use. If you want a "real" change log its there that you'll find it.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using xda premium

kwes1020 said:
You can go to any development thread skim over the last two pages and have the known issues.
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The above isn't even remotely true.
Are you done speaking for all developers yet? I would guess each one can speak for themselves, don't you think?
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If you can't see the reasoning. Then I would like to see the roms you have posted that are not based on one of the bases I listed.
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I guess your reading comprehension isn't very good. I explained why and how there may be differences. If your experience is mainly doing what I called "vanilla compiling" or theming then I guess I could see how you would generalize that all ROMs will be the same though.
kwes1020 said:
There is this thing called github that most of us use. If you want a "real" change log its there that you'll find it.
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I'm not sure why you feel the need and give yourself the permission to get up on your high horse here. I'm aware of source control and I was using it and writing C code nearly 20 years ago although I'm not a programmer now nor was I then but thanks for informing me. I also note the lack of a git or other source control published in the first post of your ROM in the dev section. As I'm sure you know many (most?) other ROM's don't either in there.
Not sure what you're afraid of to be getting your back up. Nobody cares if you just barely learned how, or are an expert at, writing code. People will appreciate a community contribution regardless.

bluenote73 said:
The above isn't even remotely true.
Are you done speaking for all developers yet? I would guess each one can speak for themselves, don't you think?
I guess your reading comprehension isn't very good. I explained why and how there may be differences. If your experience is mainly doing what I called "vanilla compiling" or theming then I guess I could see how you would generalize that all ROMs will be the same though.
I'm not sure why you feel the need and give yourself the permission to get up on your high horse here. I'm aware of source control and I was using it and writing C code nearly 20 years ago although I'm not a programmer now nor was I then but thanks for informing me. I also note the lack of a git or other source control published in the first post of your ROM in the dev section. As I'm sure you know many (most?) other ROM's don't either in there.
Not sure what you're afraid of to be getting your back up. Nobody cares if you just barely learned how, or are an expert at, writing code. People will appreciate a community contribution regardless.
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Well plainly you have not read the umpteen million threads regarding lg and nvidias lack of open source. If you want the source for any of the roms I've posted that are based off of a stock rom. My source is right there in the rom. Decompile it and look at it. Just like i decompiled it and modded it. You want the source for my cm/aosp based roms its on my github. Want the source for aokp? Its on github and gerrit.
People clearly appreciate my contributions in the android community. I'd say 1000s of downloads and being kanged countless times can prove that. And in case you haven't noticed their aren't many devs in the g2x community. And certainly hardly any of them are going to come answer a thread posted in the wrong section.
Lastly I am not on any high horse nor have I ever been. I have done more then my part to help and contribute to this community. When you post something constructive then you can try to bring your constructive criticism my way.
That is all have a good day. We will post our threads how we want to. Please learn to read a few replies and the answers are there.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using xda premium

kwes1020 said:
Well plainly you have not read the umpteen million threads regarding lg and nvidias lack of closed source. If you want the source for any of the roms I've posted that are based off of a stock rom. My source is right there in the rom. Decompile it and look at it. Just like i decompiled it and modded it. You want the source for my cm/aosp based roms its on my github. Want the source for aokp? Its on github and gerrit.
People clearly appreciate my contributions in the android community. I'd say 1000s of downloads and being kanged countless times can prove that. And in case you haven't noticed their aren't many devs in the g2x community. And certainly hardly any of them are going to come answer a thread posted in the wrong section.
Lastly I am not on any high horse nor have I ever been. I have done more then my part to help and contribute to this community. When you post something constructive then you can try to bring your constructive criticism my way.
That is all have a good day. We will post our threads how we want to. Please learn to read a few replies and the answers are there.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using xda premium
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Pretty sure this response answers the OP's question far better than I ever could have. Thanks for demonstrating.

Crossing devices?

I'm interested to find out if it is possible to run a rom from another device on my Conquer 4G. I've looked at the specs on it, and they are nearly identical to that of the Galaxy S. Anyone know if that would be possible, or would I be better off just dropping my phone in the pool and bricking it that way?

Evil20071 said:
I'm interested to find out if it is possible to run a rom from another device on my Conquer 4G. I've looked at the specs on it, and they are nearly identical to that of the Galaxy S. Anyone know if that would be possible, or would I be better off just dropping my phone in the pool and bricking it that way?
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"Nearly" isn't always good enough. It may work, but some features may cause it to freeze, or crash. Unless the components are virtually identical and even then, there may be issues relating to the product id's that are supported on one device but not the other. Someone here with specific knowledge of the devices in question may find this post and give more useful info.
k.

The ROM could be ported over to your device fairly easily.
Sent from my SII(i777) SuperNexus 4.1.2 10/17/12 build

Shawn said:
The ROM could be ported over to your device fairly easily.
Sent from my SII(i777) SuperNexus 4.1.2 10/17/12 build
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Any guides or information on how I might go about doing this? I'm totally a noob at doing roms, and I would really like to learn. There really aren't many roms for my phone (Conquer 4G), so I'd love to be able to adapt some of the roms from other devices for use with my phone.

Evil20071 said:
Any guides or information on how I might go about doing this? I'm totally a noob at doing roms, and I would really like to learn. There really aren't many roms for my phone (Conquer 4G), so I'd love to be able to adapt some of the roms from other devices for use with my phone.
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Choosing which ROM to port is part of the same problem I'm having with my Zenithink tablet. As for info on porting, there's no shortage of that on xda, but I haven't had much luck with the search engine here. Best to Google the site.
ie; Google search, "porting rom site:forum.xda-developers.com"
without the double quotations marks.
I'd dig through my links to help out, but I haven't enough brownie points yet to post links on here.
k.

kickofthecat said:
Choosing which ROM to port is part of the same problem I'm having with my Zenithink tablet. As for info on porting, there's no shortage of that on xda, but I haven't had much luck with the search engine here. Best to Google the site.
ie; Google search, "porting rom site:forum.xda-developers.com"
without the double quotations marks.
I'd dig through my links to help out, but I haven't enough brownie points yet to post links on here.
k.
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I found one link here on the site, but I got confused on it rather quickly. I'm going to have to read it and make sure to ask questions where applicable because there are alot of really nice roms out there for other phones (The Galaxy S for instance) that I would love to try with my phone.

[Request] Tutorial for implementing HALO into a Rom

Hi,
I'm really surprised no one has made a tutorial for implementing Halo (PA Teams creation) into a rom. I think it would be really useful because lots of devs with roms would like to implement it into their rom but have no idea where to start. Making a tutorial would help a lot of people out and if you made it noobish enough it would be even better for people who aren't full time devs but would like to modify there own roms. Someone please help, it would be much appreciated from everyone here at XDA :victory:

+1

would love this

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I guess you just fork your desired ROM's repository (say, CM10.1) and merge the HALO repository with it.
Here are some things that you might understand (I don't):
https://plus.google.com/107979589566958860409/posts/LF2RNE9rHt1
And here is something I guess you must understand in order to continue:
https://plus.google.com/107979589566958860409/posts/fkQGDxzNRd1
Here's something I found about git that may be of some importance (to either refresh your knowledge or to give it to you in case this is your first time, like me):
http://git-scm.com/book
Forgive me for being dumb, I just can't seem to understand git no matter how many books I read
If anyone has any ideas, please let me know, I'm eager to start working

Is it possible for someone to add a step by step process for this? I have been trying to "git remote add" the various links I have found to my existing AOKP build with no luck. I fetch successful and ran a build but see no signs of HALO just my normal build.
Thanks

MARINERMOOSE241 said:
Is it possible for someone to add a step by step process for this? I have been trying to "git remote add" the various links I have found to my existing AOKP build with no luck. I fetch successful and ran a build but see no signs of HALO just my normal build.
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Did you add just from settings or also from framework
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+1

Okay, you seem to be having issues regarding understanding the rules here (or pretty much anywhere on the Internet).
Let me refresh your knowledge of the rules you just broke:
Spamming. You posted a "+1" to a thread of a Forum that uses "Thanks" (for which you beg in your giant oversized signature) for a single reason; to avoid spam posts like this.
Necromancing. You brought to life a thread's two weeks short of being abandoned for a full year. I get reviving a thread after 3 months if you have anything important to contribute to it, but after a full year, posting spam!?

someone755 said:
Okay, you seem to be having issues regarding understanding the rules here (or pretty much anywhere on the Internet).
Necromancing. You brought to life a thread's two weeks short of being abandoned for a full year. I get reviving a thread after 3 months if you have anything important to contribute to it, but after a full year, posting spam!?
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Oops.. Sorry boss.. I didn't saw the date.. First infraction on my part.. Will never happen again.. And I will take full responsibility.. Sorry again..

Riddle me this......

So, as a stock 4.4.2 user, who thank God did not allow upgrade to lollypoop, or marshmoron, who just TODAY rooted (and unrooted 5 minutes later) just to regain power for all apps to WRITE to external sd, who can still use any and all bluetooth keyboards....I have a question.
Riddle me this, code monkeys..... We want fast, snappy loading of selected apps, great opreational speed, best possible battery life and a truly customizable interface (think touchwiz on steroids), multi window (4+) support, support for available bluetooth devices, reliable wifi connections, and stunning, I mean wet you lips, drool down the side of your mouth, high resolution graphics. And it all has to be rock solid reliable.
Have you got that available?
I await you response.

globalsearch said:
So, as a stock 4.4.2 user, who thank God did not allow upgrade to lollypoop, or marshmoron, who just TODAY rooted (and unrooted 5 minutes later) just to regain power for all apps to WRITE to external sd, who can still use any and all bluetooth keyboards....I have a question.
Riddle me this, code monkeys..... We want fast, snappy loading of selected apps, great opreational speed, best possible battery life and a truly customizable interface (think touchwiz on steroids), multi window (4+) support, support for available bluetooth devices, reliable wifi connections, and stunning, I mean wet you lips, drool down the side of your mouth, high resolution graphics. And it all has to be rock solid reliable.
Have you got that available?
I await you response.
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Here is a riddle, what has 16 paragraphs, and is used to govern the Forums on XDA.....
The Forum Rules, read them, before posting and especially posting this in the Original Development Section, here is a hint read #15
And no response required, just read and understand the Rules.

globalsearch said:
So, as a stock 4.4.2 user, who thank God did not allow upgrade to lollypoop, or marshmoron, who just TODAY rooted (and unrooted 5 minutes later) just to regain power for all apps to WRITE to external sd, who can still use any and all bluetooth keyboards....I have a question.
Riddle me this, code monkeys..... We want fast, snappy loading of selected apps, great opreational speed, best possible battery life and a truly customizable interface (think touchwiz on steroids), multi window (4+) support, support for available bluetooth devices, reliable wifi connections, and stunning, I mean wet you lips, drool down the side of your mouth, high resolution graphics. And it all has to be rock solid reliable.
Have you got that available?
I await you response.
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Get your root back and install 'L Speed' from the google play.

Judge Joseph Dredd said:
Here is a riddle, what has 16 paragraphs, and is used to govern the Forums on XDA.....
The Forum Rules, read them, before posting and especially posting this in the Original Development Section, here is a hint read #15
And no response required, just read and understand the Rules.
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I am stunned. As a programmer for more than 35 years, I have seen my share of things. While I did read the rules before any posting, I understood that this section was for development. And in keeping with that, I addressed the lack of direction, foresight, and practicality that is so evident in the android world. Kids running the train as it runs off the rails. So my post was to set a marker, a direction, a call to focus and what is really the purpose of all this "development".
I am shocked to be chided for pointing out the obvious, for speaking truth to the very posters IN THIS SECTION. Because, believe me, they seriously need it.

globalsearch said:
I am stunned. As a programmer for more than 35 years, I have seen my share of things. While I did read the rules before any posting, I understood that this section was for development. And in keeping with that, I addressed the lack of direction, foresight, and practicality that is so evident in the android world. Kids running the train as it runs off the rails. So my post was to set a marker, a direction, a call to focus and what is really the purpose of all this "development".
I am shocked to be chided for pointing out the obvious, for speaking truth to the very posters IN THIS SECTION. Because, believe me, they seriously need it.
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And by this section I meant the Development section I originally posted in, only to have my comment bounced to this area. It defeats its purpose.

globalsearch said:
And by this section I meant the Development section I originally posted in, only to have my comment bounced to this area. It defeats its purpose.
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So you're saying that you still haven't read the rules, right? Here's #15, as hinted above:
Development Forums (ones with the word development in the title) - For Developers to post release threads e.g. ROMs and Kernels including modifications to kernels, bootloaders, ROMs, etc., as well as R&D development discussion threads designed with an end goal
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I don't think it's really that hard to understand that the development forums section on XDA are meant for developers to post about their work and open up discussions about them. It's not for non-developers to create threads to ask questions, request for features, or, as you said, to "set a marker, a direction, a call to focus and what is really the purpose of all this "development" (what would you call this type of post, maybe 'a challenge'?). Yeah, it's not for that.
So it was the perfect thing to do for the mod, and it's not even debatable. What would make it defeat its purpose is if the mods simply let your post stay there.

Newcron said:
So you're saying that you still haven't read the rules, right? Here's #15, as hinted above:
I don't think it's really that hard to understand that the development forums section on XDA are meant for developers to post about their work and open up discussions about them. It's not for non-developers to create threads to ask questions, request for features, or, as you said, to "set a marker, a direction, a call to focus and what is really the purpose of all this "development" (what would you call this type of post, maybe 'a challenge'?). Yeah, it's not for that.
So it was the perfect thing to do for the mod, and it's not even debatable. What would make it defeat its purpose is if the mods simply let your post stay there.
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Seriously, did you read your post?
"""the development forums section on XDA are meant for developers to post about their work and open up discussions about them. It's not for non-developers to create threads to ask questions, request for features, or, as you said, to "set a marker, a direction, a call to focus and what is really the purpose of all this "development" (what would you call this type of post, maybe 'a challenge'?). Yeah, it's not for that.""""
I did open up a discussion. What, we have no rights? Just who the h%=€£ are the "developments" for? Seriously, you think it is some sacrosanct area for "developers" living in some bubble?
First of all, I too am a programmer. Have been writing applications since BEFORE 1980. I know a thing or two. And pardon me for pointing out that the "development" has been for the most part misguided, ineffective, guideless and practically useless. None of the packages take into account the tons of complaints and suggestions android has generated. So throwing a flag on the field and setting a marker, jesus, that is what this infantile operating system needs.
You know who the explorers and heroes are? They are the ones on the front lines, dead, with arrows in their backs.
Maybe someone should point out, that with all of androids potential, after years of "development", it is still a POS.

globalsearch said:
Seriously, did you read your post?
"""the development forums section on XDA are meant for developers to post about their work and open up discussions about them. It's not for non-developers to create threads to ask questions, request for features, or, as you said, to "set a marker, a direction, a call to focus and what is really the purpose of all this "development" (what would you call this type of post, maybe 'a challenge'?). Yeah, it's not for that.""""
I did open up a discussion. What, we have no rights? Just who the h%=€£ are the "developments" for? Seriously, you think it is some sacrosanct area for "developers" living in some bubble?
First of all, I too am a programmer. Have been writing applications since BEFORE 1980. I know a thing or two. And pardon me for pointing out that the "development" has been for the most part misguided, ineffective, guideless and practically useless. None of the packages take into account the tons of complaints and suggestions android has generated. So throwing a flag on the field and setting a marker, jesus, that is what this infantile operating system needs.
You know who the explorers and heroes are? They are the ones on the front lines, dead, with arrows in their backs.
Maybe someone should point out, that with all of androids potential, after years of "development", it is still a POS.
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Woe to the man telling the truth or pointing out the emperor without clothes.
Stab away, Brutus.

globalsearch said:
Seriously, did you read your post?
"""the development forums section on XDA are meant for developers to post about their work and open up discussions about them. It's not for non-developers to create threads to ask questions, request for features, or, as you said, to "set a marker, a direction, a call to focus and what is really the purpose of all this "development" (what would you call this type of post, maybe 'a challenge'?). Yeah, it's not for that.""""
I did open up a discussion. What, we have no rights? Just who the h%=€£ are the "developments" for? Seriously, you think it is some sacrosanct area for "developers" living in some bubble?
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Let me try this again. Yes, you have a right to open up a discussion. Having said that, the rules of XDA is (as you could read again, I did bold the keywords to make it easier for you), to open up a discussion in the forums that are marked as 'Development', you need to create/develop something first, and then you can open up a thread for a discussion about whatever it is that you developed. That's it. If you haven't developed anything and wanted to discuss something else not in relation with a very specific app/kernel/rom/etc. specifically related to this device, if you wanted to start that discussion then it will have to take place somewhere else other than the development forum. This really isn't obvious to you already? Just look at all the threads in the development forum, do you see any pattern at all? Any sign whatsoever that the post that started this thread somehow belong in there?
First of all, I too am a programmer. Have been writing applications since BEFORE 1980. I know a thing or two. And pardon me for pointing out that the "development" has been for the most part misguided, ineffective, guideless and practically useless. None of the packages take into account the tons of complaints and suggestions android has generated. So throwing a flag on the field and setting a marker, jesus, that is what this infantile operating system needs.
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Well good for you, mr. programmer! Feel free to develop something and post it on the development forum, where a discussion about it should take place. Maybe I'll pop in and discuss it with you, if it's interesting for me. Also, feel free to post how 'misguided, ineffective, guideless, and useless' all the posts in the development forum is. You absolutely can do that, too. You just can't do it.. (guess where? that's right!) ...in the development forum, because that forum is to discuss developments of something concrete, not critiques and complaints or whatever it is you think you're doing now. Simple!
You're just pretending that you didn't get it, right?
You know who the explorers and heroes are? They are the ones on the front lines, dead, with arrows in their backs.
Maybe someone should point out, that with all of androids potential, after years of "development", it is still a POS.
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globalsearch said:
Woe to the man telling the truth or pointing out the emperor without clothes.
Stab away, Brutus.
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See now you're just rambling there. Well, go ahead, continue...

There is the letter and there is the spirit.
Get it?

Enough already: thread closed.