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better camra?

I have a P4350, but this seemed a more general question, this phone is supposed to have a 2mp camera, but it only takes decent pictures when its in good light, and has at least 13mb free memory, the lighting issue im guessing there is nothing that can be done, but is there a camera app that requires less hardware so as to take a better pic?

at the end of the day
the reason cams in phones
are poor compared to real digitalcams
is that they use cmos chips
and digitalcams use ccd chips
ccd are more expensive and use alot more power
cmos typicaly have issues with too much light or too little light
and they rarely get the colours just right
you cant really just change the cam in a phone because
it's solved into the pcb and even if you could find a leg compatible
cam the driver would be an issue
i'd write it off as a jack of all trades master of non situation

I must correct you partly!
Of course its a question of the inbuilt chip, but with a well adjusted camerasoftware the quality could get much better than with the preinstalled HTC camera software.
Example:
with My Qtek 2020i (1,3 Mpixel) the pictures in low light condition where waste of time, but with ateksoft`s coolcamera the result was really aceptable (in low light and sunny cond. too)
But with a HTC tytn it is waste of time to use coolcamera because the quality is the same bad result as the HTC- camera program in low light condition. (Of course the Tytn makes better pictures than the 2020i because of 2 Mpixel instead of 1.3 Mpixel, but at low light you can make only black pictures, even using the inbuilt flash)
What I want to say is that the maximum of quality you could get out from a Cmos chip is still not reached for some HTC models.

Great phone, camera performance not on par, Fixes ?

The Touch Pro is a great phone. But some things can be improved.
I would like the communities help and will provide some of my own knowledge.
One of these problems is the camera and its video performance. Other phones using the same GFX chipset have been advertised to be able to do VGA (640x480) recording @ 30 FPS. The Raphael only does a maximum of QCIF (352x288) @ 25 FPS and even this drops to sometimes even 4 FPS in bad light conditions. Even videos made in maximum resolution lack a good bitrate and shows blocks (bad quality) when played back.
Taking things one step at a time I think we should try to improve the quality for the existing video mode. So I did some research on the forums. This is what I’ve found.
The way I see it is (even for pictures not only video) is that the camera switches to some kind of “night mode” as soon as it is pointed towards a dark area. This is automatic and happens by itself. We have to find some way to turn this off as it causes more problems than it solves. And no changing white balance from auto to something else does not help. I haven’t been able to find a solution for this so I need the communities help.
I’ve looked through the registry and found settings for bitrates and FPS. I’ve played with them and they don’t make any difference.
So does anyone have a solution to this “night mode” problem ? any ideas ? Once we solve this we can move on to solve the low bitrates problem.
All opinions are welcome.

I think the Touch Pro uses the same chipset as Xperia's X1a instead of the X1i's Qualcomm chipset. Probably one of those rolled of the same assemblely line but some got hardware options disabled.
In video recording, wish the camera would maintain fps instead of longer exposure time.

I just want to disable the low light compensation, the so called "night mode" because it sucks and thats what causes the camera slow down. Someone must be up to the task ?
Maybe we can rip the X1 camera software when it comes out ?

Without the drop in the FPS, there would not be enough light exposure to capture any discernable image. You would end up with 30fps of black screen. The CCD and image processor simply aren't strong enough to compensate, and I doubt there's any software fix available.

There was a temporary fix for the very same problem on the Kaiser. Go into camera mode turn the screen off for about 15 sec and turn it back on . A bug in the camera software would disable the low light compensation. The pictures and videos were darker but not completely black so to say. They were very viewable but the performance was super improved. The same bug does not exist in the Raphael. But there must be some way to turn it off.

StashCompInc what?! Almoste everyday I find new issues about htc latest ppcs :angry: .. so pitty..
Have you tried to contact Ateksoft? Let's hope that they will release something for the latest qualcomm devices
http://www.ateksoft.com/

They dont have any email on thier site. And any thing you ask them about their coolcamera software they dont reply. I wonder if there is a developer here that can create a new camera software ?

Im wondering about this problem as well. There must be a way to override this function.. the Cam is actually OK under wery bright light conditions. But as soon as it gets a litte darker, the cam is unusable. Ive noticed that if you change the whitebalance under some lighting conditions there is a small improvement. Still no fixes for this problem? you should think with the prosessor and the ram in this device there should be no problem getting the cam viewer to work properly..

We need a new camera software which supports video, 640*480 @ 30 FPS. Wonder if anyone on the forum can write one ?

But will that fix the choppy cam viewer? Or will it just make it worse? I saw somebody mention that the ccd chip just werent good enough. And that should suggest that this is a hardware issue. But if someone could provide us with a new cam software we would know for sure. or at least find a solution to override the nightmode it goes in to when dark or darker lighting conditions.

Yeah, CoolCamera is a software but does not work with the Raphael. Thier support does not answer questions for a new version update.

hmm. okey. Then all we can do is wait and see if perhaps somebody here in the forum maybe comes with a solution.

I dont think there will be, we had the same problem with the Kaiser and still no solution.

Thats a shame. I didnt buy this device cause of the cam. But when i notice that the cam actually functions good under some conditions, im just annoyed by the fact that its not optimized. i really cant se the problem in fixing this. But if the responce from HTC support is that the pro is not a multimedia device, end of story. Then it seems that we wont get any further with this.

Yeah I know but we dont have a choice. I need a device that does everything since I dont want to carry more than one device. And this seems to be the best bet.
Someone here should mod the CoolCamera Software or the HTC one or maybe make one completely new one.

I think you already know this, but the camera in TP is limited due to some patent issues in America. That's the reason why X1i(international) records better video than X1a(america). I believe it's the software which is limiting the video resolution and camera fps.
Do not expect anything better from HTC unless they make an european version of the device. Now it's the same device for all over the world.

So you also believe this to be a software issue rather than bad hardware? If so then somebody should be able to change the coolcamera software as mentioned before or to make fixes to the software thats allready in the TP. I also bought this product to get a sort off all in one device. And as said before, i didnt expect the cam to perform as good as my N95. But i did expect it to be usable. And as it is now, its really a pain in the ass. Now im seriously thinking about getting another device. And its a damn shame. Cause the TP i just a really beautiful and practical device..

That should not stop others (developers) from modding or porting a new camera software.

My old XDA IIi is able to record VGA video @12-15fps with CoolCamera whereas the maximum that can be achieved via HTC software is QVGA @15fps ! So, a piece of software can definitely help !

Yeah exactly and that phone is old by far. The Raphael has a lot more power just limited by video. Someone please write/hack (from another device X1 ?) a better camera software !!! I will pay for it if it has improvements !

[Q] Trophy camera bad?

I used to have HD2 and of course, have tried WP7 on it, but because Android and WP7 exploit hardware buttons a lot, they started to malfunction, so I replaced it with real WP7 device - HTC Trophy. I have synced all photos and videos recorded with HD2 on different OS's and they all look good. But with the Trophy, and it seems to me it's been happening lately (from MAngo), all my photos (even preview before I take photo) is blurred. That doesn't mean unfocused, but it seems that camera is taking more light from outside sources that every light colored or white object gets "aura" around it and messes up the sharpnes of picture. Anybody had similar experience?

yes. I also had the HD2 before and now i am using the htc trophy. Its not only that it blurs details, in bad light conditions the sensor just sucks...
i am waiting for the updated version of the trophy...the radar... they atleast said that the camera is better

The best pics with a trophy you can take with full light and using the photo optimizer

Interesting fact about camera

Has anyone noticed that camcorder on Desire S records videos at only ~22 FPS? No matter how good light conditions are and regardless of recording resolution/bitrate - video always comes out at ~22 FPS (or less in low light conditions).
This is not because of hardware limitations, but because of camera module itself. It has noticable lag when looking through viewfinder and, of course, camera can not record what the camera can not see (more frames per sec).
On the other hand, front camera can record video at ~29 FPS VGA! Bad quality, but yeah, more FPS.
Why, in Gods name, would HTC put such bad camera module on back and (in terms of video recording fps) and better camera on front?

What method are you using to determine the FPS?
If it is just a software issue than a custom ROM should resolve it.

I have used "GSpot" app, and I don't believe this is a software issue, as I'm on my 5th custom rom.
Also, I don't think that my unit is faulty or something, all desire s cameras are like this (compared). Its a shame, because video quality is quite nice, but fps...

http://www.100fps.com/how_many_frames_can_humans_see.htm

yeah i noticed that the other day i thought it was because i had an 8gb class 2 mem car but i recently got a 16gb class 6 and it still looks choppy and if as u say its and hard wear defect or they did it on purpose then their is no easy fix

this sucks. it kindof defeats the point of having 720p when the fps is less than 30...

Yh this is the one thing which is annoying but not a major disadvantage. Hope there is some software which can rectify this.
Sent from my HTC Desire S using XDA App

[Q]one last desicion to make, and i want yours first ; Xe vs Xperia S

hi,
i know some of you wont bother looking at this "another comparison" thread and most of you will think "this is Sensation forum, what do you expect us to say" but i have opened the same thread to the sensation Q&A section too..
so my last phones were; HTC sensation XE and One X..
and my criterias are, in the using time order;
1) most of the time i ll be listening music,
2) checking my e-mail.
3) using GPS (i travel a lot and alos live on of the most cunfusing citys in the world)
4) web browsing
5) camera using for the places i travel
6) games when i sm not traveling with my car ..
7) messing with the phone, trying to OC (sometimes to get better everyday experience but to be honest most of the time just to feel the power for ego satisfaction and its not like buying the most powerful phone, its more like watching and making the phone grow stronger in your hands)
the 7 is very little time, ones the occupation occurs i am not playing with my phone anymore, i want it to remain as a good assistant and a journey-mate for me.
according to my needings i crossed out SG Note from the list due to its eMMC bug and screen burn problems.. a phone which is famous with its screen should not suffer from screen problems. and also crossed out nexus for not having FM radio and limited storage option (only 16 in my country), and i also crossed the SGS3 and the HTC One X for one being so ugly and having screen burns, and the other for having lots of problems to get over.. i have waited enough android to get mature and i wasnt willing to wait for a phone to do the same and catch up with its software on the quality side, not in 2012..
so let me get to the quick advantages and disadvantages comparison, this is where i want your help about what i list under and add your opinions..
This is %100 my opinions and please change them and advise me if you think any (or all) of them are wrong
Sensaiton XE over Xperia s
- expendable storage option
- good headphones comes with it
- since its the cuisin of the sensation, it has very big development out there and with the way we can S-off and S-on there is no risk of losing the warranty
- since adreno is not designed for fill rate like mali-400 but its good for effects and balancing the load it gives superp performance on the games with a qHD screen
- and the GPU is also OCable when i feel like the performance is not enough (it was alwasy enough, to be honest but still... you know)
- about the development, i am not talking about having lots of kernels and roms out. i have only used CM9 and ARHD so far. what i am talking about is having s-off and not losing the warranty, and having camera mods to have 1080p videos at 30 FPS/40Mbps and photos like 5 MB, and having bravia engine with ARHD etc..
Xperia S over XE
- XEs screen is almost unusable under sunlight and gets dust collected under, but sony has a perfect screen there is no doubt to that.. (but i am afraid of yellow spots, some people says its coused by heat and the S3 Soc is heating on average usage
- GLONASS GPS support. i never used it so dont know about the real life performance but it must be a good thing to have 2 different satelite type instead of one?
- 12 mp camera is better on the stock comparison but i dont know if it can race with the modded sensation camera
- the UI seems smoother overall and litgher then the sense but still i wonder; how is adrenoa 220 doing with that 720p screen? and will there be OC chance in the future?
- 1 Gb of RAM is sure going to be better than the 768MB one especially when it comes to the multitasking
so to sum up, my main concerns are about the camera and the GPU and the screen when it came to the Xperia S even though it is the newer one.. i feel like "ok sensations screen is not good but it will always be that bad in the future too but what happens if my sony's screen loses its quality everyday just because of regular heating of the device? i have given up from all amoled screens because of that thought.
and the camera, since the memory is constant i can understand sony wanting to reduce the image and size but i want less compressed video and photos, especially at night
and the GPU.. will i feel like i need stop one day admit that my device is not enough for playing the newest games just beause it can not handle the georgeus screen in a year? this really scares me. with the development support of sensation it gets 52-53 FPS on the nenamark 2 without OC with the last drivers but the sony is stock in only 37 (i know it will do every game unless it gets under galaxy nexus since it is the referance device for now but still...)
thanks to everyone who is bothered to read this.. and thank you for help..

so, you already have a Sensation XE and wanting to get an Xperia S? or looking into getting one or the other? Will you be purchasing the phone with an upgrade or straight up?
the external speaker isnt all that great on the Sensation, so if youre listening to music I hope its through some headphones or Bluetooth! E-mail, GPS, and web browsing are great also. I pretty much use my phone for everything, just as you are looking for. The camera, with the mod, is just amazing. Sometimes a bigger MP camera doesnt mean its better Ive never had a problem with running low on RAM so I think the 768MB is sufficient. The only thing I dont do really is game on my phone. I mean c'mon...with a PC and Xbox why game on cell phones?! lol But I can see if youre always on the go and hardly stationary that mobile games will come in handy. From what I have experienced, games run butter smooth once you OC the phone a bit. Oh and btw, youll love the dev community for the Sensation!
I havent messed around with any Xperias so this is experience only from the Sensation

thank you for quick answer. i had sensation xe and sold it. now i am looking for buying a noew phone and it will either be a sensation xe again or xperia s.
about the games; i play my games on PC and think gaming on PCs or consoles is professional hobbie but playing a game on a cell phone is just a good way to spend time but here in Istanbul i need to find many ways to spend my time because of the traffic and i travel between cities a lot.
sony is fooling me with its screen and the RAM.. on HTC the blacks are grey-ish a lot (not like a LCD-AMOLED comparison but still sony's blacks are better even though it does not have the auto brightness settings) and there is this dust under screen problem .. and i saw many times that my sensation XE had to reload the sense UI after i quit a game.

Haven't tried the Xperia S, but being a Sensation user I can say that it's camera is really good. I could get good pics in low lights too

_delice_doluca_ said:
hi,
Xperia S over XE
- XEs screen is almost unusable under sunlight and gets dust collected under, but sony has a perfect screen there is no doubt to that.. (but i am afraid of yellow spots, some people says its coused by heat and the S3 Soc is heating on average usage
- GLONASS GPS support. i never used it so dont know about the real life performance but it must be a good thing to have 2 different satelite type instead of one?
- 12 mp camera is better on the stock comparison but i dont know if it can race with the modded sensation camera
- the UI seems smoother overall and litgher then the sense but still i wonder; how is adrenoa 220 doing with that 720p screen? and will there be OC chance in the future?
- 1 Gb of RAM is sure going to be better than the 768MB one especially when it comes to the multitasking.
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Please note the following:
a) Screen of the sensation has similar performance on direct light than the Xperia. I have no problem at all. Dust under screen was a problem on the first units, but my unit has no problem at all.
b) Glonass support is not really a plus. As per the info available both GPS systems are similar, the standard GPS has better accuracy.
c) agree, Sony has always very good cameras.
d) If you don't like Sense there is no sense to buy an HTC device.
e) agree
On favor of the Xperia, it has a HD720p screen.
On contrary of the Xperia, I never liked the Sony Android UI. it feels cheap.
At the end is just a question of price and taste.