Interesting fact about camera - HTC Desire S

Has anyone noticed that camcorder on Desire S records videos at only ~22 FPS? No matter how good light conditions are and regardless of recording resolution/bitrate - video always comes out at ~22 FPS (or less in low light conditions).
This is not because of hardware limitations, but because of camera module itself. It has noticable lag when looking through viewfinder and, of course, camera can not record what the camera can not see (more frames per sec).
On the other hand, front camera can record video at ~29 FPS VGA! Bad quality, but yeah, more FPS.
Why, in Gods name, would HTC put such bad camera module on back and (in terms of video recording fps) and better camera on front?

What method are you using to determine the FPS?
If it is just a software issue than a custom ROM should resolve it.

I have used "GSpot" app, and I don't believe this is a software issue, as I'm on my 5th custom rom.
Also, I don't think that my unit is faulty or something, all desire s cameras are like this (compared). Its a shame, because video quality is quite nice, but fps...

http://www.100fps.com/how_many_frames_can_humans_see.htm

yeah i noticed that the other day i thought it was because i had an 8gb class 2 mem car but i recently got a 16gb class 6 and it still looks choppy and if as u say its and hard wear defect or they did it on purpose then their is no easy fix

this sucks. it kindof defeats the point of having 720p when the fps is less than 30...

Yh this is the one thing which is annoying but not a major disadvantage. Hope there is some software which can rectify this.
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[Q] Camera quality.. disappointed..

I thought the fuze had a camera that rivaled the iphone 4 but apparently not.. I'm rather disappointed in the videocamera quality especially. The video that I took with it lacks fps and is quite laggy. The iphone 4 just killed it..
Here is a sample of what a fuze video is like (taken on my touch pro and friend put it on his channel; I'm not trying to promote views either)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrnkDwu4yDI
Is there any tweaking that can be done to improve quality? I have my videocamera on max resolution settings already or should I have left it stock?
You do realize that the fuze is a phone several years old, right? HTC never advertised the camera on the Fuze being anywhere near the quality of what the iPhone 4 claims...
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Yeah I know but is there anything I can do to improve it?
There is a simple trick for FPS that works in many situations - lower the brightness to zero
e334 said:
Yeah I know but is there anything I can do to improve it?
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Setting the resolution lower will yield higher-quality shots, but reduce the size of them. There have been tweaks for the camera, but the only one I can find/remember is the Panoramic shot one :/
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I find that it works better in good light; I get pretty good video outdoors in daylight. The quality goes down the crapper in lower light situations. For the most part, I'm pretty happy with the video quality, I've gotten a lot of solid videos with it.
Hi you could have a look at some of the registry tweaks found on this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=583638. Not all of the camera tweaks found on that thread apply but some like tweak 62. Improve Camera Recording Quality of MPEG4-VGA Videos
or 63. Unlock Additional Video Recording Formats + a few other may apply. It will require you to use a registry editor though. Hope this helps a little.
I tried #63 but I'm afraid to try #62 because the values differ so much and the folder doesn't exist

videorecording capability

720p
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-goLd9HoQZA
1080p
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmQiPWnLVIc
not impressive, to be honest. 1080p is wobbly, 720p still a bit wobbly. not much detail. Continuously compensating for light changes. this is not what HD video recording should be, even on a smartphone.
Wobbly because most hands wobble more than tripods do
Maybe it is youtube that does the re-compression to an even lower bitrate that lowers the quality?
On my original post about the quadrant and linpack scores I noted that these videos I took are not on the final software and also yes, my hands were wobbly as hell lol. I also uploaded the original files to my dropbox, the links are on my post.
The 1080p is a 8Mbps and the 720p at 6Mbps, sound was really low bitrate.
Maybee it will be better in the final production version.
Are there 3rd party camera apps that may work?
The LG Optimus 2x films better than this, so I am sure it will be better in the final version.
wouwout said:
not impressive, to be honest. 1080p is wobbly, 720p still a bit wobbly. not much detail. Continuously compensating for light changes. this is not what HD video recording should be, even on a smartphone.
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I'n not a native English speaker. My 'wobbly' doesn't refer to your hands but to the typical smartphone effect you get when recording in HD and moving around. Not everything moves at the same pace creating a wobble effect.
However some phone don't have this issue as much as others, due to better hardware and/or software.

1080p smartphones and 60fps plausibility?

I dont see a lot of chatter about 60fps recording on the latest batch of 720/1080p recording smart phones.. Is it even possible or just a matter of hardware limitations? Im just curious if we could see a future hack enabling 60fps or do we wait for manufacturers to offer it. thanks!
That would be SICK... But I don't think it'd be possible due to the size of the camera sensor in most mobile phones.
i just know that the HTC Bass (Runnymede) will be able to do 720p recording at 60fps.
afaik, there are no known phones that can do [email protected] currently.
socalwrx said:
I dont see a lot of chatter about 60fps recording on the latest batch of 720/1080p recording smart phones.. Is it even possible or just a matter of hardware limitations? Im just curious if we could see a future hack enabling 60fps or do we wait for manufacturers to offer it. thanks!
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Sounds like James Cameron's dream phone, to me. Cameron is pushing for the movie industry to adopt a minimum 60fp/s for movies.
is 60fps the limit? cant it go any higher?
Really isn't much benefit in going higher except for Video/Sports analysis, TBH. For just watching stuff, 60 FPS is good enough.
I understand that for general recording/watching 30fps is plenty. 24fps even.. Id just be interested for some cool slo-mo effects. even if it were capped at a short time due to the size of the file. Im just wondering if its hardware limitations (video encoding of the chipset, size of the sensor as previously mentioned) or just a matter of software tweaking; forcing the phone to record/encode @ 60fps.
I had an older LG phone that had a slo-mo effect that looked cool but quality took a big hit.
socalwrx said:
I understand that for general recording/watching 30fps is plenty. 24fps even.. Id just be interested for some cool slo-mo effects. even if it were capped at a short time due to the size of the file. Im just wondering if its hardware limitations (video encoding of the chipset, size of the sensor as previously mentioned) or just a matter of software tweaking; forcing the phone to record/encode @ 60fps.
I had an older LG phone that had a slo-mo effect that looked cool but quality took a big hit.
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agree
even if games / videos were made to run 60 fps, it's a waste of power
there's no point pushing more than 30 frames when human eyes can barely keep up with less than that
AllGamer said:
agree
even if games / videos were made to run 60 fps, it's a waste of power
there's no point pushing more than 30 frames when human eyes can barely keep up with less than that
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Don't agree at all. The difference is big and is easily proven. Seems to be some kind of urban legend that eyes cannot perceive faster movement than around 24-30fps
Check for example these example videos (using a modern browser on a modern PC).
http://www.boallen.com/fps-compare.html
tjtj4444 said:
Don't agree at all. The difference is big and is easily proven. Seems to be some kind of urban legend that eyes cannot perceive faster movement than around 24-30fps
Check for example these example videos (using a modern browser on a modern PC).
http://www.boallen.com/fps-compare.html
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This is an age old debate and is far more complex than that one example can cover. For video playback where you can't resolve individual frames though, 30 fps is more than enough.
Yes, we all like to see those beautiful bullet time type videos shot with fast cameras, but there are limitations other than processing power. In this case it's optical. The faster you shoot, the better lit the scene needs to be and the better the light gathering ability of the optics. Perfectly easy to overcome when you're lighting the scene and using proper hardware. Not so good when you're using a phone to do the shooting though!
I don't see the point of 1080p/60fps until they can do 1080p/30fps properly
Also better optics before moving onto anything else
DirkGently1 said:
This is an age old debate and is far more complex than that one example can cover. For video playback where you can't resolve individual frames though, 30 fps is more than enough.
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Sorry but I don't agree at all, and your post doesn't include one single argument for you statement so it doesn't make any change.
30 fps looks ok, but 60fps video looks more fluid. It is very obvious in fast moving videos, e g sports.
I know that movies are made for 24fps and have "motion blur" to remove the problems with low frame rate, and some people prefere this motion blur (i e movie captured with small aperture) but that is a matter of taste and doesn't change what looks more fluid or not.
HTC Vivid [email protected] http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_vivid-4302.php
That all depends on the GPU. Maybe the powervr sgx 543 can, seems the most plausible of all the GPUs available.
So those can shoot @60fps:
-LG G2
-Note 3
-HTC One (720p only)
Does anybody know more devices?
Maybe Nexus 5 after some camera hack...? I would buy if it had 1080p60
Samsung Galaxy S4 and S5 can record 60fps video as well

video recording lag

Video recording in indoor/artificial lighting causes video tobe recorded @15 fps and makes video blurry .. How to fix this ?? Ive tried with other mobiles and they record at 30fps in the same conditions
you are not alone. i am wondering why the low light fps is so low, too. even my old xperia arc s (which has singlecore and adreno 205 gpu) was capable of recording 720p videos at 30 fps in low light scenes.
GodOfPsychos said:
you are not alone. i am wondering why the low light fps is so low, too. even my old xperia arc s (which has singlecore and adreno 205 gpu) was capable of recording 720p videos at 30 fps in low light scenes.
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Uh, are you sure you don't have the slow-motion video option turned on? My G records in 30fps still, even in low-light.
Roph said:
Uh, are you sure you don't have the slow-motion video option turned on? My G records in 30fps still, even in low-light.
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no no no xD. i would recocnize if i had slow motion in my videos , because the video playback would be 15 fps (but recorded with 60 of course).
And i also don't have stock moto Firmware installed. i flashed Google Play Edition Rom long time ago (which doesn't even have the slow motion feature).
The Google Play Edition isn't even the problem for the cameras bad low light performance (i also had the stock motorola firmware with the motorola camera app before i flashed the GPE Rom)
maybe you and me could post video samples to compare the fps in bright light scenes and low-light scenes
Edit: i already found a video sample that perfectly explains what i mean. immediately in the first moment you can see the low light performance. and when he moves the camera to the window (where it gets bright) you can see that the fps rapidly go up to 30fps. and when he moves the camera away again to the indoor low light, it gets laggy and goes down to 15-18 fps https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWf8UBSC2tU
This is a normal way for the camera to behave. In darker light, the exposure must be increased. I.e. the camera takes longer in order to capture more light. In higher end devices this isn't a problem since they capture enough light anyway (or have an "internal" FPS that is higher), but with the G, moto has to cut corners to achieve the price point.
If framerate is critical to you, use a camera app that allows manual exposure control and keep it low. You'll be in for a very dark video though.
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This is a normal way for the camera to behave. In darker light, the exposure must be increased. I.e. the camera takes longer in order to capture more light. In higher end devices this isn't a problem since they capture enough light anyway (or have an "internal" FPS that is higher), but with the G, moto has to cut corners to achieve the price point.
If framerate is critical to you, use a camera app that allows manual exposure control and keep it low. You'll be in for a very dark video though.
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read my second post. my old arc s increased the exposure in a really nice and clean way and it was even smoother in low-light scenes, while increasing the exposure to a really high level
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read my second post. my old arc s increased the exposure in a really nice and clean way and it was even smoother in low-light scenes, while increasing the exposure to a really high level
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And read my post again. The Arc S was not a bargain bottom device. You only need to meet a baseline level of camera performance to get the right exposure for a given framerate. With a higher quality camera sensor, you can push the exposure still higher when needed (dark environment) and still stay above this baseline.
The Moto G uses a cheap, low performance sensor. Recording just in regular light is already just about using the sensor to its limits. Low-light goes below the baseline, and so the FPS drops. There's no way around it. The SOC in the Moto G is easily capable of recording/encoding 1080p, but the camera module isn't up to the task, for the same reason.
It's not the sensor. Its the firmwares fault. With the normal motorola camera app, you are able to record videos at 60 fps. while recording the slow motion videos, the framerate drops by 15-20 fps when you record some low light scenes, which does mean the sensor has still 40-45 fps available for recording the video. The software needs just some tweaks here and there for a big improvement in fps, noise reduction, color reproduction etc
Jishnu Snur's modified motorola camera app already does have better color reproduction compared to the stock one.
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low fps
Even xperia m had this issue but they fixed that with a firmware update.but Motorola doesn't even know about this issue.idk if everyone is having this issue.btw being a bargain device doesn't mean to ignore all its shortcomings
Can you give the link to improved camera? is root required?
Here you go
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2699090
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Video quality

Your friends are never going to believe what you did. The only way to prove it to them is with that video you took. Rate this thread to express how videos shot on the Xiaomi Mi 5 come out. A higher rating indicates that videos are smooth (and not choppy) and that auto-focus works very well, and that the camera adjusts quickly to different lighting conditions while recording.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
My only complaint of this nice piece of gear is the video recording feature.
There is no [email protected] recording option. Even the recording quality in good light conditons at 30fps (1080p) is not smooth and really choppy
Have not see any advantage of the 4axis OIS future.
Hope to see developers that can fix this issiue with software updates.
I think the best video recording quality has the Samsung Galaxy S6/S7/Note series and the Iphone 6/6s line.
Hope to see other opinions and good nwes
skyhan01 said:
My only complaint of this nice piece of gear is the video recording feature.
There is no [email protected] recording option. Even the recording quality in good light conditons at 30fps (1080p) is not smooth and really choppy
Have not see any advantage of the 4axis OIS future.
Hope to see developers that can fix this issiue with software updates.
I think the best video recording quality has the Samsung Galaxy S6/S7/Note series and the Iphone 6/6s line.
Hope to see other opinions and good nwes
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Keep dreaming!!! You should have thrown your cash at the other phones instead.
Guys, I keep seeing constant complains and whining about this phone and yet the only person to blame is your self. Read the god damn reviews !!!!!
all reviews point that video recording is just ok, nothing great... OIS is almost non-existent...
no software update will fix that...
read more carefully next time
yorikkk said:
all reviews point that video recording is just ok, nothing great... OIS is almost non-existent...
no software update will fix that...
read more carefully next time
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It has a great video recording quality for it's price. OIS and auto-focus is better than the more expensive flagship op3.
watch?v=Z8H5kOnryEo
OIS is clearly there, try recording while driving a motorcycle. There will be no, or at least minimal, glowy images as in non-OIS enabled devices. Color rendering is still the best, S7 and 6S is behind for this one. Lighting is natural, however you may prefer S7's "always daylight" choice (i.e., it will show bright light even in dark environment), but that's completely preference. I choose natural. Slow motion is great, even if only single [email protected] choice (slowed down 4x from 120fps) I found it very useful to record fast motion videos to see it later in detail.
this is the worst think in this device
it cant shoot a good video
get a lot off blurry result every time video
For me its 75/100.
Miui makes it complicated to chenge to 4k, fullhd slow-mo quickly. Timelapse feature is great. There were problems with rotation for camera but software update solved them. So it is not great but nice to see they are improving littlle by little.

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