I came across this in the Opo forum. The Dev says it shouldnt be to hard to port to the Nexus 5. Just wondering if anyone wants to give it a go.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=56210279
Jacob030 said:
I came across this in the Opo forum. The Dev says it shouldnt be to hard to port to the Nexus 5. Just wondering if anyone wants to give it a go.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=56210279
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This would be nice, but if I recall correctly there was legal issues with changing the low power core used for the pedometer, for other things.
TheROMGuy said:
This would be nice, but if I recall correctly there was legal issues with changing the low power core used for the pedometer, for other things.
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I didn't even think we had a low power core.
rootSU said:
I didn't even think we had a low power core.
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I'm not entirely for sure but I'm pretty sure I read somewhere on here that we had a low power core, and that someone had accessed it to use always listening but would have gotten in legal trouble if he had distributed it.
TheROMGuy said:
I'm not entirely for sure but I'm pretty sure I read somewhere on here that we had a low power core, and that someone had accessed it to use always listening but would have gotten in legal trouble if he had distributed it.
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Interesting...
Because that too would help with Doubletap 2 wake...
rootSU said:
Interesting...
Because that too would help with Doubletap 2 wake...
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Yea, but of course, the legality of it is questioned.
rootSU said:
Interesting...
Because that too would help with Doubletap 2 wake...
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Wouldn't help for wake gestures at all.
Lethargy said:
800 is just as capable as the 801. Low-power core is just used for a hardware pedometer instead of "always listening", as well as legal issues if you were to enable it without permission.
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Lethargy said:
The low-powered core is only good for things that usually require wakelocks (i.e. always listening, music playing, hardware pedometer). Screen-off gestures are done at kernel level and does NOT require a wakelock, so the low-powered core is completely useless in that regard.
Only factor determining if screen-off gestures drains or not is how power is provided to the panel. If it's possible to power the digitizer on separately, then it uses less battery. If you have to power the entire panel on, it'll use more. Either way, it's the exact same thing and not really done much differently across all devices; just make sure the digitizer is powered in any way and wake the device (or whatever) on specific gestures.
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Lethargy said:
Wouldn't help for wake gestures at all.
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Gah I hate being wrong. Whats worse is I actually knew that once too!
But, would there be any legal issues if it was a feature ported from another phone.......
the nexus 5 low power core was defaulted to count steps instead of being a low power core. i dont think that it can be the low power core as we would like it to be. but i guess with lots of work, it could be possible?
simms22 said:
the nexus 5 low power core was defaulted to count steps instead of being a low power core. i dont think that it can be the low power core as we would like it to be. but i guess with lots of work, it could be possible?
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It is possible just not entirely legal.
Jacob030 said:
But, would there be any legal issues if it was a feature ported from another phone.......
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Its still using the same low-powered core. Unless you want to somehow rip it out of a OnePlus One and hack it into a Nexus 5 (i.e. pretty much impossible and hardly a good idea)
simms22 said:
the nexus 5 low power core was defaulted to count steps instead of being a low power core. i dont think that it can be the low power core as we would like it to be. but i guess with lots of work, it could be possible?
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It's still a low powered core (and the same one as any other device with the Snapdragon 800 SoC), just being used for a different purpose.
I don't know what it would take to reprogram it/use it for other purposes, but its been done before and there was a proof-of-concept, method not released because of the legal ramifications. If there isn't a way around it/loophole, or a legal way to do it, then you'll have to wait a few years until the Nexus 5 becomes an old legacy device that nobody cares about lol
rootSU said:
Gah I hate being wrong. Whats worse is I actually knew that once too!
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This is like the third time it's been explained to me and I still can't get it right. Don't feel bad. xD
if its a legal issue, then its something that someone would be able to do to legally to their own phone, just wont be able to distribute it. something like posting instructions how to do it would be legal, just distributing the finished mod could be illegal. but i dont see where legality would come into affect on this.
simms22 said:
if its a legal issue, then its something that someone would be able to do to legally to their own phone, just wont be able to distribute it. something like posting instructions how to do it would be legal, just distributing the finished mod could be illegal. but i dont see where legality would come into affect on this.
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All sorts of strange laws about. Way back when, when i was a blackberry owner, it was against forum rules (crackberry) to discuss or give instructions for rebranding as apparently that was "illegal" in the US.
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hi, I read that google now ("ok google") only activates when the screen is on. I was wondering if theres a hack or setting somewhere where you can activate it with the screen off? I mostly want this for hands-free use in the car, so I can avoid having to touch the phone while driving (big no no).
also, is there a site somewhere explaining all the features of what you can say/ask google now? or even a link with comparisons between siri and google now, and what google now cant do that siri does? I ask this cuz ill be coming from iPhone.
thanks.
I think that would really drain the battery - if possible!
However, here is a collection on some of the commands you can ask google now:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1961636
I'm really surprised how great it works! And i live in Denmark, where i can't even take full use of everything
samsung has had this with s-voice. and i think motorola enabled google now to do this on the motox but i'm not sure. yes it drains battery, but how much? depends on the cpu and driver and the software involved..... i don't have my nexus yet so i can't say "how" to do this but i would expect it to be an eventual custom feature if not a future update if it's not already in a setting somewhere.
reffer2 said:
I think that would really drain the battery - if possible!
However, here is a collection on some of the commands you can ask google now:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1961636
I'm really surprised how great it works! And i live in Denmark, where i can't even take full use of everything
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Everything I've read has claimed that the Nexus 5 should handle this as well as MotoX since it has the Snapdragon 800. Have we ever gotten an official answer on why this won't work?
reffer2 said:
I think that would really drain the battery - if possible!
However, here is a collection on some of the commands you can ask google now:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1961636
I'm really surprised how great it works! And i live in Denmark, where i can't even take full use of everything
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hey thanks for the link. battery drain wouldn't be too much of an issue, as usually I would just use it while the device is being charged in my car, but it would be nice to use sometimes without as well, and while leaving the screen on would be nice, a slow charging car charger, is going to charge faster with the screen off, as that's usually the most power hungry lol. so it would be nice to have the voice activation at will while using.
If some of the launcher/search code was open source, I'd imagine this would be quite easy to do.
Pretty sure I read somewhere that the 'always listening' (for "OK Google" command) requires some hardware functionality. So no, it would not be possible like it is on the Moto X.
bbedward said:
If some of the launcher/search code was open source, I'd imagine this would be quite easy to do.
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i'd imagine you could port parts of the moto x rom into the nexus. things like this have been done before. just have to find all the dependancies.
Dani897 said:
i'd imagine you could port parts of the moto x rom into the nexus. things like this have been done before. just have to find all the dependancies.
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I mean, if you had access to the facilities used by the n5 launcher source, you could likely utilize them when screen is off via software pretty easily.
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akhan47 said:
Pretty sure I read somewhere that the 'always listening' (for "OK Google" command) requires some hardware functionality. So no, it would not be possible like it is on the Moto X.
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Yes. But from what I understand the snapdragon 800 has that hardware built in.
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http://www.qualcomm.com/snapdragon/processors/800
Video is about 1/2 way down on the right. Processor is capable.
Lets see if I can't clear things up. If you want your phone to be always listening, you need hardware support for it unless you want your phone to die in a matter of hours. If you are okay with this , check out this app. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.RSen.OpenMic.Pheonix It also lets you configure things like only when charging or just when the screen is on to save some battery, and its actually a very nice app overall. Worth checking out.
The Moto x has a special custom chip set that allows for this always listening. Any attempt to port that feature from the Moto x would fail, as the Nexus 5 doesn't have the same chip set. The nexus 5 however, does have hardware that allows for always listening, its part of the Snapdragon 800 SOC that powers this phone, along with the Note 3 and LG G2.
But getting the feature to actually work on our phones, even with the hardware, is by no means an easy task. Read the comments on this post if you want to get an idea for what this entails. https://plus.google.com/112424215551484520138/posts/AznwFxbBapJ
So is it possible? Yes. But it is not something that is gonna be a quick easy port of small modification of an existing app, it would take some real serious work form (maybe a team even of) good Dev's to make this function.
Sorry if its not the news you wanted to hear.
Well now it's been more than a year since this thread is dead but i bought my N5 recently and i wonder is there any progress in this matter will it be possible ? (G+ comments on link provided by above like shows it may be possible...as SD800 has privilege for it but at time of this thread it was only available to OMEs so it made public yet ? ) . did any dev tried to dig into this matter ?
jineshpatel30 said:
Well now it's been more than a year since this thread is dead but i bought my N5 recently and i wonder is there any progress in this matter will it be possible ? (G+ comments on link provided by above like shows it may be possible...as SD800 has privilege for it but at time of this thread it was only available to OMEs so it made public yet ? ) . did any dev tried to dig into this matter ?
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It won't happen on an N5 . ?
Darth said:
It won't happen on an N5 . ?
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that's sad but okay ! what else we can say
If you're plugged in/wireless charging Google Now Voice commands work with the screen off.
Settings>Language & Input > Voice Input> Enhanced Google services> "OK Google" Detection>From any screen> enabled
"responds to your voice. Works when the screen is on or the device is charging."
make sure the next option "personal results" is also enabled if you want Google Now to be able to do anything
Try this app, Open Mic+. It'll do the job.
is there any kernel or mod that can take advantage of the snapdragon 800 voice activation? i don't mean on the home screen when you can say OK Google.. I mean like the moto x
if you go to the snapdragon 800 on Qualcomm's site you can see the bottom right video about the voice activation
namnam123 said:
is there any kernel or mod that can take advantage of the snapdragon 800 voice activation? i don't mean on the home screen when you can say OK Google.. I mean like the moto x
if you go to the snapdragon 800 on Qualcomm's site you can see the bottom right video about the voice activation
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You might want to check out utter!.
PhilipTD said:
You might want to check out utter![/URL].
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i dont mean a voice command app,im ok with google now. i mean something that can wake your phone up with a key word like on the moto x, and takes advantage of the snapdragon 800 low power voice activation
namnam123 said:
i dont mean a voice command app,im ok with google now. i mean something that can wake your phone up with a key word like on the moto x, and takes advantage of the snapdragon 800 low power voice activation
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I know, it would be great if that were possible, but, afaik, it's not. That's why I suggested to take a look at utter!: it has an "always listening" feature, and, can access Google Now directly. It could be installed just for that purpose as a kind of workaround. Further, the app's main functionality is pretty comprehensive and handy, and could be used alongside Google Now.
PhilipTD said:
I know, it would be great if that were possible, but, afaik, it's not. That's why I suggested to take a look at utter!: it has an "always listening" feature, and, can access Google Now directly. It could be installed just for that purpose as a kind of workaround. Further, the app's main functionality is pretty comprehensive and handy, and could be used alongside Google Now.
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thanks.. i just tried utter, it's cool but it kinda ate right through my battery
i wouldn't say its not possible, as the snapdragon 800 has support for it.. if i was a developer id check it out.. but im not
namnam123 said:
thanks.. i just tried utter, it's cool but it kinda ate right through my battery
i wouldn't say its not possible, as the snapdragon 800 has support for it.. if i was a developer id check it out.. but im not
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Ah, that's a shame. Well I hope something gets developed soon. It's definitely a cool thing to have.
qualcomm . com/media/videos/snapdragon-voice-activation
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PhilipTD said:
Ah, that's a shame. Well I hope something gets developed soon. It's definitely a cool thing to have.
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ya id thought there'd be a big hype on it i just researched it and not alot of people care about it which is strange cause its one of the bests features to have
Im not sure if this is possible or a way to make it but i am wondering if its possible to make this work? I know there are apps to do this but i fell there is something you can mod to allow this. If so i can't seem to find it anywhere. Anyone have a idea of how this is done? If not whats the best app for this? Openmic?
super-6-1 said:
Im not sure if this is possible or a way to make it but i am wondering if its possible to make this work? I know there are apps to do this but i fell there is something you can mod to allow this. If so i can't seem to find it anywhere. Anyone have a idea of how this is done? If not whats the best app for this? Openmic?
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Google doesn't provide the option, so no.
It would be extremely silly on the Nexus 5 anyways, since it would be in a 24/7 wakelock.
Lethargy said:
Google doesn't provide the option, so no.
It would be extremely silly on the Nexus 5 anyways, since it would be in a 24/7 wakelock.
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Not unless someone can activly access the voice core but thats based on patent laws and licensing
super-6-1 said:
Not unless someone can activly access the voice core but thats based on patent laws and licensing
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The low-powered core is also used by a hardware pedometer.
It won't happen until a legal loophole is found, or until the Nexus 5 becomes an old legacy device that nobody cares about in a couple years.
The new feature of Google now allows us to say Ok google even when the screen is off but the phone is being charged. I think it might be easy to make it to work even when the phone isnt charging?
Anyone could make this happen?
I'd imagine that would drain the battery pretty quickly.
This has been talked about for a long time.
It will destroy the battery for one....
And Moto will sue you. ?
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And Moto will sue you. ?
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Only if you're using the low-powered core.
And Motorola can't sue anyone for it. It's either Qualcomm or whoever provides the speech-recognition software.
Lethargy said:
Only if you're using the low-powered core.
And Motorola can't sue anyone for it. It's either Qualcomm or whoever provides the speech-recognition software.
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Must be the one who's voice answers me when I talk to phone...??? ?
I almost never use my phone to communicate, and I have lately accepted and embraced my creeping paranoia. So, I'm looking for a device that does what my phone does, but without the phone, GPS, or microphone.
Does such a device exist? Is it possible to physically modify a smartphone to the same effect?
icewater0 said:
I almost never use my phone to communicate, and I have lately accepted and embraced my creeping paranoia. So, I'm looking for a device that does what my phone does, but without the phone, GPS, or microphone.
Does such a device exist? Is it possible to physically modify a smartphone to the same effect?
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With root you can disable GPS, Phone and microphone
Newyork! said:
With root you can disable GPS, Phone and microphone
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That means someone else can enable it via software too. I'm thinking more along the lines of physically disabling those components.
icewater0 said:
That means someone else can enable it via software too. I'm thinking more along the lines of physically disabling those components.
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You can take out from the system these stuff and then unroot your phone. So no app can still install something to the system.
Trade it in for a tablet? ???
Evolution_Tech said:
Trade it in for a tablet? ???
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A tablet would be great but I can't find one that's pocket-friendly...
icewater0 said:
A tablet would be great but I can't find one that's pocket-friendly...
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I suppose you're right. I've just never seen a question quite like this. I'd follow the previous instructions of rooting and disabling.
Evolution_Tech said:
I suppose you're right. I've just never seen a question quite like this. I'd follow the previous instructions of rooting and disabling.
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I'm kind of fixated on this idea of doing it at the hardware level at this point - I doubt it works that way but maybe get in there with a solder gun and pull some stuff out
Removing certain physical components would be a bad idea. If the device even turns on properly, you'll likely get crashes and FCs and whatnot. Even freezing/disabling certain functions like the phone can cause problems, since the ROM expects them to work. For example, being a phone, it has to be able to make emergency calls even without a SIM or service set up.
You could, however, use a ROM that lets you deny permissions to certain things (like calls, microphone, GPS). CyanogenMod, for example, or any of the number of ROMs that incorporate this CM feature. You'll have to disable them on a per-app basis, and you should always do a back-up first just in case things go awry.