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Thinking of getting O2 xda iq

I've currently got both an xda2 and an xda2i. I'm thinking of changing to the iq when its available ( I believe it a re-labelled tornado).
Has anyone else done this - changed from touch screen pda phone to a similar phone to the tornado and if so what do you think, pros and cons of each type.
Also which software works as add ons ( currently use tomtom5, sprite backup, pocketmax phonealarm to name a few).
Thanks in advance.

Hi petest!
I didn't switch to a tornado, but I got to play with one for a couple of days, and after being used to Pocket PC interface, and touch screen, the limited Smartphone platform seemed really annoying and frustrating.
Here are my impressions:
- Getting around start and options menus is a pain, since you can't scroll directly through the whole menu, but have to press 'more' to see the options that don't feet on screen.
- The file browser is also problematic, as you have to change views to see the files and you cant type a file name to get to it quickly.
- Typing is a problem since you only have the numeric key pad, even with T9 function. It makes the PPC on-screen keyboard look great.
- Finally, shutting down a program, to free up memory is a pain as well, if it doesn't have an exit option.
On the positive side:
- It is closer in size to a regular cellphone then most PDAs.
- The screen is protected, and not as vornable to scratches and various damage as a touch screen.
- The numeric keypad makes one hand usage easy.
Well that's my opinion, but as you might have noticed, the touch screen and the comfort it brings is a big issue for me, so I might be bias against Smartphones in general...

Thanks for the reply levenum.
Like yourself I find the touch screen good on the pdas and they're all I've used for the last 4 or 5 years so I'm used to the features of them.
It would be useful if I could borrow one (xda iq / imate sp5) for a couple of days to play with and see how i get on - I might just get one on a new contract and if i don't get on with it trade it in.
Thanks again.

*The* TyTN v1605 problems post...

Hi all,
Figured I should start a post with problems (in the quest for solutions).
I have had my v1605 from Vodafon for 3 days now and have found a few problems already. I have a replacement coming on Tue so will see what is fixed...
So far:
- keyboard back lights not working, matters not if the sensor is active or not. Vodafone replacing the unit as a result.
- some keys on the far right seem unsensitive - I keep missing O, P and L from my typing. The keys do work though...maybe it is just me.
- screen alignment wanders and as such I usually need to re-align the screen once a day or more. Seems always to drift left and slight lower than I am pressing.
- today screen items are locked and 'vodafoned', very annoying as I cannot show task list, owner info or lock status on the today screen. I hard reset the unit and reset it before the customisation happened and voila - the usual today screen items were back - but as a result I lost the vodafone dialer skin and the 3G symbol. I presume someone can ROM-hack to get rid of this restriction and look forward to it In fact, it would be perfect if the ONLY Vodafone customisations were the dialler skin, 3G symbol and theme.
- If you have a password set and hard-reset the unit it crashes when you are prompted for the password. Soft resetting it then skips the vodafone customisation.
- left softkey set to phone instead of calendar and no way to change it.
- no easy way to access Vodafone Live!
- camera quality pretty poor for a 2MP, no where near as good as the K750i for example. However, the K750i on its first firmware was pretty aweful too!
- when plugged into USB on computer - if you turn it off (so as just to charge) it will turn itself back on again shortly and commence another sync.
Other than these niggles, of which the today screen is the biggest for me, I love the TyTN. By far the best PDA/Phone I have owned to date!
So - over to you guys, does your v1605 have these issues or others, or none????
Rich

My slide out keyboard down't click into place on the left side the way the right does (and also the way the wizard does). It may not be a problem now but in the future, it may begin to wear and then it might affect the function of the keys??
Are they just swapping a unit for you or exchanging the whole package? How will you know if you get a brand new set? When I switched mine on, the call timers showed outgoing 40 seconds and incoming 45 seconds. I'm not sure if this is vodafone testing the units or it's not new.

Am told I am getting a brand new unit - will check call timers as they *should* be 0-0.
Just had a play with mine and I only feel a click on the right side of the keyboard too. Feels nice and solid once it is out though - not like the xda-mini-s which feels flimsy in comparison.
R

I do not see the "E" icon even in EDGE enabled areas. I even tried the HTC Wizard icon hack hack with no success:
http://www.htcwizardweb.net/node/191

'E' appears on my v1605
3G is awesome.

rakh1 said:
Just had a play with mine and I only feel a click on the right side of the keyboard too. Feels nice and solid once it is out though - not like the xda-mini-s which feels flimsy in comparison.
R
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Thats great! was a bit worried that mine was a faulty unit. It does feel solid when sliding. It was just the lack of the "click" that bugged me.
Anyone else who received their unit had timers showing calls made and received from it? Its probably vodafone testing it. The unit is too new for any refunds/refurbs to have been made.

- some keys on the far right seem unsensitive - I keep missing O, P and L from my typing. The keys do work though...maybe it is just me.
My unit has this issue and I hope my next unit which is a brand new replacement that comes on Tuesday doesn't have this issue. My unit it is only the O that has problem which is getting better over time. I called them and they was more than happy to get a brand new unit to get sent out just want a perfect working one in my 14 day period so fingers crossed will keep you updated.

xxnoelziexx said:
- some keys on the far right seem unsensitive - I keep missing O, P and L from my typing. The keys do work though...maybe it is just me.
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Do you also feel a click only on the right when you slide open the keyboard? Let us know how you get on with the new unit.

Don't feel no click at all. Will keep you all updated.

UPDATE:
New unit turned up - keyboard lights now work as expected.
Still only a right side click on the keybard - so it must just be the way it is.
Today items:
Fix posted here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?p=329204#329204
Hope that helps - Rich

Hi guys
Peter .. the guy that got his VPA Compact III two days after me as sent it back on the 14 day returns .... He was concerned about stability. He's always struggled to come to terms with WM stability which I can understand ... so he's off back to palm and blackberry.
From my point of view - I've had one hang during operations which still worries me (I left it at the today screen fine ... and 30 mins later I noticed backlight was completely off and it was utterly un responsive - wouldn't respond to incoming calls). It also hangs occassionally of soft reset or power on (from a complete power off). It usually comes up fine on a subsequent soft reset.
I'm waiting for HTC to call me back so I can raise this as a call. It seems to happen regardless of today plugins being active (I disabled all) - I have also rebuilt with 4 phases of Sprite Backup to restore from - and the problem hasn't gone away.
I suspect it is firmware / software as opposed to hardware .... fingers crossed.
Aside from that I love it as a device .... I just wish one of you guys that has one will let me know if you have had any hangs at all and where you see them.
My keyboard light works fine. It has to be in low light and you have to press a button before it activates - just opening the keyboard in low light doesn't activate it.
Occasionally I turn the device on and it starts in landscape mode and then switches to portrait ... odd .. because I didn't switch it off in landscape.
There is an odd moulding mark where the stylus comes out on the curved recessed part of the body (right hand side). I thought it may be a crack but I'm pretty sure it's just where the plastic moulding was finished before painting. If it's not cracked I'm not bothered.
You can change the WM5 softkeys with Tweaks2k2.
One thing to remember is that rather than use the phone executable, the device originally used a :MSC call. Once removed you can't put it back with Tweaks2k2. It's not an issue because a normal link to phone is fine. If you want Calendar ... then use Tweaks2k2 to change it.
My keyboard works fine ... no sticky keys. Peter had one or two on his.
Paul.

I just wish one of you guys that has one will let me know if you have had any hangs at all and where you see them.
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No hangs here yet.....using it a lot with skype, camera, etc...
My keyboard light works fine. It has to be in low light and you have to press a button before it activates - just opening the keyboard in low light doesn't activate it.
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Yes - same here...
Occasionally I turn the device on and it starts in landscape mode and then switches to portrait ... odd .. because I didn't switch it off in landscape.
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I've not had this happen...
There is an odd moulding mark where the stylus comes out on the curved recessed part of the body
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Same here - but very feint....
Rich

Hi Rich
What are you running at the moment ?
I'm try to find out what is different between my build and yours so I can narrow down possible cause of hang.
Paul.

By the way ... my build is :
So far I have SBSH iLauncher, HandyMenu, HandSwitcher, Legato Mahjong, Billiard Master 3, Bubbleshooter, PDA Mill GameBox Classics, BeJewelled 2, 1-Calc, Phatnotes, PIEPlus, Avantgo, CO2005, Clearvue Office Pro, CPL6, FW2006, imov Messenger, NewsBreak, Resco Explorer (without the Resco Today Plugin) 5.40, Resco PhotoViewer, SBSH Pocket Breeze and Pocket Weather, Skype 2, Sprite 5.1, Tweaks2k2, PI2005, FlexMail 2.2, FlexWallet, Cabinstall, Cruxview - all installed on the MicroSD.
Aside from an apparent hang on startup last night which scared me .... I thought I'd need to hard reset but it eventually sorted itself out ... hopefully it is s/w related .... it's all going well. Did a video call with Peter last night which was fine ... first I've done and picture quality not great but usable.
3G is active and working very well. Switches mid call to 2.5g if signal drops to much, but you don't get a chattering issue (i.e. where it regularly switches between the two).
Drove from Hook to Kent with CPL6 and BT GPS yesterday and that was flawless.
Have four phases of Sprite Backup - Different levels of build - so I can decide how far back to go in the event of problems.
Circa 28 mg of program memory following sof reset
Circa 31 mg of storage memory
PB is loading PI Calendar / Tasks / Messaging / Phatnotes / Pocket Weather.

Can someone help me with my wifi problem please. I can get connected to my network ok but IE will not show any pages, it just says wrong settings. I am connected with good signal strengh and thought that i would be able to surf when on my own home network. Most of the time it serches gprs and 3g then shows the error. An idiots step through guide would be helpful. I have searched for hours but came up blank. I also need a walkthrough on how to configue vodafone MMS settings as I cant get that to work either. Customer services isnt much good as the dont really know this device yet. Thanks in advance.

Hey Paul,
I have only the followinig intalled over the base v1605:
skype2
PHM Registry Editor
Microsoft .NET CF 2.0
Aspecto Software WiFiFoFum
Handmark Monopoly
That's it......
Rich

new unit arrived and the sticking key issue is gone thank god. I hve a few things installed now and the phone is running great. I installed agile messenger beta a few minutes ago as no msn client is in the vodaphone rom and the phone looked like it crashed then a few moments later it signed into msn.
1 thing I have noticed is if I mute the volume so I get a x sign near the volune if I click around I.e start menu and click around the operating system I can hear a clicking noise. could someone else test this 4 me I am currently in a quiet room.
also noticed when using pie with keyboard slid out my view will sometimes change from landscape to portrait view and then back to normal which is strange. I am sure my faulty device did this whilst just using the operating system in general use. shed a bit of light to what I have just found is that I just put the phone down open on the case it comes with and the same thing happened it must have something to do with the magnetic metal in the case effecting the phone causing it to rotate lol well that's what I think.

No clicking sound when I mute mine. Haven't really played around with mine yet. Will install everything once I get my microsd card.
Does your phone's keyboard click into place when you slide it open and is it right side only or both? Also did you check your call timers? Are they zero or has calls been made before receiving it?

Just got my TyTN
and all i got was a lousy keyboard..
got the bad keys on my unit. Waiting for response from HTC distributor, but they halted all sales of it until resolved. There are a lot of phones with bad keyboard.
But apart from that it seems to work fine - like the Jasjar in a smaller package.
But I liked the keyboard on my I-mate k-jam a lot better.

My first one had a few keys that weren't great, t, del and spacebar. This one is good for the keyboard. But....my screen is loosing calibration all the time again which is why I was given a replacement. Moves so that it is totaly unusable! Is anyone else experiencing it? If you are not is it a Voadafone one or something else. I've told Vodafone that I'd like another one out of a different batch and they said that they will extend my exchange period for a couple of weeks until some new ones come in. Might call HTC to see if it is a known "feature". Other than that I'm still totally happy with the device and it is much better at memory handling thn the Exec ever was, It never seems to drop below 22mb of program memory after having opened and closed programs for a clouple of days. The exec would have dropped to 17 by the end of the first.
Phil

Is there anyway possible to DISABLE microsoft tell me

This is the most annoying POS program I have ever seen , whether I have a stock rom or custom rom this annoying program pops up whenever it wants usually while Im doing something , but it also just starts for no reason while sitting on a table ! Yes I turned it off in setting , that doesnt turn it off , that doesnt do sh1t , I mean at least have an on off button for this annoyance , anyone know of a place in the registry to cut this off (gooddaytodie, heathcliff,Jax ???)!!

It's easy enough to remove it from a custom ROM, but if you're getting the app triggering randomly like that, it's probably not a software problem. That sounds like a hardware issue, with either the capacitive buttons being too sensitive (a problem some phones will exhibit, especially while plugged into a charger and then laid on their backs) or with something in the case being messed up. I've had TellMe trigger a few times when I was gripping the phone really hard playing Z0mb1es, but not since then and never while just lying there.

I was hoping Id get your attention and yes I figured it was a hardware issue with the capacitive buttons , but is there any way to disable tell me and yet retain the actions of the capacitive buttons? its really annoying , it may be a hardware issue however after researching this its quite prevalent on the new nokia phones as well I am using a samsung 1st gen focus and I do have a custom rom , if you can point to the right location in the registry to remove this pest I would be appreciative , I will report back to you to let you know how it works out?
Thanks again GDTD , always pleasure hearing from you!

I know of no way to just "disable" it, though that's probably just because I haven't looked. It's part of WebSearch.exe, which if removed or renamed would prevent TellMe from launching (it would also break the other functions of that app, though, such as the barcode scanner and Bing Music).
The Focus is indeed the device I've most commonly heard complaints of having over-sensitive buttons / touchscreen that occasionally push* themselves. I've never tried, but I've heard there's a tool - in the Diagnostics app, I think - that lets you adjust the buttons. Maybe that would help?
* I was going to say "touch", but that... didn't look right.

Thats exactly what I was thinking that there might be some controls in diagnosis that adjust the sensitivity , but, alas I dont know what they would be , if you have the time could you look for me?

I don't have any Samsung phone, and the Diagnostics app is completely different between OEMs. You're better off just doing some searches of the forums, especially the Focus sub-forum.

yep I have been, I used to know all the good codes , but I guess I will have to start searching again, thanks anyway! I think I might be heading back to Android ,after this fone has run its course , just so much you can do with the platform ,unlike windows and crapple ! I am really ticked off how Microsoft keeps sabotaging itself , win 8 phone kills win 7 phone as win 7 phone killed mobile , every two years ,ya have to start all over again ,you will never catch apple and wont even catch a dream of android!

Why slide to the right to unlock?

I'm kinda old fashioned but I still use an HTC Desire with the original ROM (and living and suffering with its issues) and couldn't move myself to flash it with a custom ROM, because they all seem not to fit my needs. It may sound weird, but here is my thinking about the Android UI development:
Back than, when I bought my Desire it was the best Device of its class out there. The Sense UI was way better than the native Android (which was really ugly) and very comfortable. Since then Android developed to Holo, Sense made several big and weird changes up to the latest one on the M8 and TouchWiz I never liked; and I still think the old Desire Sense UI is one of the best out there. The main reasons for that seem a bit ridiculous but are a major usability issue for me:
Unlock with a slide to the bottom
While receiving a call, slide to the bottom to accept, slide to the top to decline
Two separate lock screens, one as keyboard lock and one as security lock (with password or pattern) that only activates after a set amount of time (not like the Samsung devices where you have to enter your pattern EVERY time you turned off your display)
Why on new devices it is common that I have to slide to the side to unlock? Sliding to the bottom is the most comfortable movement you can do with your thumb without any danger to let your phone slip and hit the ground. So why it is so absolutely uncommon? And why on native Android you can't move the unlock option to the bottom, where is plenty of space and would also give you the opportunity for a fifth quick access app? In my point of view it would increase usability a lot.
While receiving a call on new phones you have to press a virtual button, but why? With old phones you could feel the right button to accept or decline a call, but with touchscreens you have to look at it first and then touch precisely. But there is no need for that. Even the pressing and sliding the green or red circles is based on hitting the screen on a special area, which is kinda unpleasant for me. With the old Sense you only have to roughly slide up or down from around the middle of the screen, so declining a call without taking the phone out of your pocket works like a charm.
At last the lock screen. I always had to decide between the normal keyboard lock and a pattern (password was never an option) but never get it to work with having the pros of both. I understand that some may find it stupid to have two lock screens, but for me they have different functions and so they work very well together in my workflow. On Cyanogenmod I found an option that seems to give me what I want, but it never worked like my Desire.
Yeah, even when I still use my Desire I have used other phones too (in parallel for work) and I really always missed the listed options of the old Sense UI and hated the strange design decisions made since then. But am I the only one who thinks about that in that particular way or is it me who is too picky? Is there no one else out there thinking the Desire Sense UI was outstanding at that time and still is today? Or is there an app for that I haven't found yet?
Just my two cents.

[Q] Touch issues when using pen-enabled apps, anyone?

So, I really really wanted to love this tablet. The disappointments have been many, but this focuses on the most severe and frustrating one.
Whenever I am using Dabbler, Skecthbook Pro, ArtFlow, or any other pen-enabled apps, the weirdest things start to happen. It works OK for a while, but then the tablet only starts receiving input from the stylus. Not even UI elements are usable with my fingers. PLEASE NOTE: I do know the tablet has a stylus-only mode, and this is NOT enabled. PLEASE ALSO NOTE: No, the stylus-only mode in the apps is not enabled either.
After a fresh reboot, I open the drawing app and everything works. Palm-rejection is gorgeous, pen accuracy is spot-on, multitouch gestures as pinch to zoom and panning work flawlessly. But after a while, or after I exit the app and return, it starts progressively degrading performance. At first it only accepts pinch to zoom like 50% of the time. Then it gets worse, until I can't do a thing without the stylus - not even the back, home and multitasking buttons.
I spoke with an nvidia tech support rep, and after a back and forth of emails (mostly me giving him info about the proof of purchase, serial number, etc) he told me to contact the seller (Amazon) and ask for a replacement.
I was about to go ahead and replace it, but I wanted to know if any of you are getting the same issues. On the latest official ROM, can everybody use Dabbler, Autodesk Skechbook, etc. for PROLONGED periods of time, and with a high tablet up time, without issues? Is this issue device-specific?
THANKS so much for any help and sorry for long post.