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[Q] Is MHL dongle a deal breaker for anyone wanting the Sensation over G2X?

Hello...
I'm on the fence about exchanging my G2X for the Sensation, but this one detail might be deal breaker.
I didn't see this exact topic come up in other discussions about the Sensation using the micro usb to output the HDMI stream to TV via a MHL adaptor. Forgive me if this has been explained before. I searched
What are your thoughts on the Sensation not using a dedicated micro HDMI port like the G2X has?
The main thing that concerns me is output quality with the MHL dongle. There is a vid in the Sensation forums showing a guy only able to output to 1080i (not 1080p), through that dongle. Makes sense to me as it has to be severely limited coming through the micro usb port (audio as well would not be HD, correct?).
I LOVE the fact that the G2X has a micro HDMI port. There's a reason for HDMI ports and I don't see how usb technology (MHL adaptor or not) could ever truly output full HD video and audio??
What are your thoughts? Thanks for your time

I'm guessing the Sensation's the same as the SGS2. The dongle does output 1080P and has a separate USB port for simultaneous charging.
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http://www.clove.co.uk/samsung-galaxy-s-ii-i9100-mhl-adaptor
The good news is you can use any HDMI cable with it. The bad news is they're expensive ($35.00 USD) and not available yet. You should also do some research, I remember reading somewhere that there are restrictions on what content can be displayed off of the phone because of HTC Watch.

BarryH_GEG said:
I'm guessing the Sensation's the same as the SGS2. The dongle does output 1080P and has a separate USB port for simultaneous charging.
The good news is you can use any HDMI cable with it. The bad news is they're expensive ($35.00 USD) and not available yet. You should also do some research, I remember reading somewhere that there are restrictions on what content can be displayed off of the phone because of HTC Watch.
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Interesting....thanks for the quick reply! I will indeed do more research (especially on any content restrictions). Yes I've read quite a bit on the MHL adaptor but didn't see that it can output true HD...and I still have no clue as to how a micro usb port can have full HD running through it with no loss of quality?
Again...I would especially love to know exactly how it's technologically possible for a usb port to stream true full HD video and Audio (dongle or not)? If it could...why would there ever be a need for an HDMI port on any device? Manufactures would have simply used USB ports on HD TV's. PC's etc. Makes no sense to me

It's not a USB port it's a mhl port it has a switch that is activated depending on which cord is plugged in. The specs do say 1080p for a mhl port but that does not mean that HTC allowed that I don't know about limitations HTC put on due to copy protection. Mhl also allows charging when using the HDMI cable but I'm not aware of any devices that do this at this time. Someone said there is a seperate USB port for charging I don't believe this is true.
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doesnt make a difference, the port shouldnt be a deal breaker in any decision

I think MHL would be better. HDMI has 19 tiny little pins on there. much more fragile!!!!
MHL is just the USB plug so it's 5 pins!!!

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Alpha Class said:
doesnt make a difference, the port shouldnt be a deal breaker in any decision
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there is a difference. 1) special cord needed not supplied with the phone cheapest i have seen quoted is 30 bucks i cant even find one. - hdmi micro to full 2.59
cant recharge and use at same time(spec is there ) just no hardware that knows to do it yet. so another grand to buy a tv that knows to send a charge down the line when they come out.
3)we know that micro to hdmi works, im guessing mhl does but havent seen it yet so we will see.
For most this may not be a decision maker but it was for me and why i have hung on to the g2x hoping for the fixes because the galaxy s-2 has this same port. they cant even get an os that has been out for over a year im kinda concerned about drivers for a new type connection.

eagle1967 said:
the galaxy s-2 has this same port. they cant even get an os that has been out for over a year im kinda concerned about drivers for a new type connection.
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The dongle for the SGS2 has a USB port for simultaneous charging. I'm sure the Sensation's will as well. And yes, you can use a $2.99 converter cable, but with the dongle you can use a standard HDMI cable so you don't have to carry one around (EG: friends house, office presentations, etc.).

I suppose the biggest drawback to the MHL connection is that it A) Requires a special dongle, that in the pics and vids I've seen, is rather large and quite simply ugly. B) Costs an extra 30-35 bucks (total scam). C) As stated before...to fully work as it should, it requires an HD TV with MHL support for charging purposes (so I've read and heard here).
I would guess the biggest reason MHL will be more common than micro HDMI eventually, is that it makes the phone sexier with less ports. For me...give me an extra port...as long as it serves a VERY useful purpose such as HD media output.
For me it might be a deal breaker as one of the HUGE reasons I got the G2X, was because it was a full HD camcorder and I can recored and watch vids on my Plasma via HDMI. Keep it simple....one cheap cord and no silly expensive dongle. Or at the very least HTC...bundle it with the phone.
G2X wins the port war as far as I'm concerned!

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Hoggles said:
I suppose the biggest drawback to the MHL connection is that it A) Requires a special dongle, that in the pics and vids I've seen, is rather large and quite simply ugly. B) Costs an extra 30-35 bucks (total scam). C) As stated before...to fully work as it should, it requires an HD TV with MHL support for charging purposes (so I've read and heard here).
I would guess the biggest reason MHL will be more common than micro HDMI eventually, is that it makes the phone sexier with less ports. For me...give me an extra port...as long as it serves a VERY useful purpose such as HD media output.
For me it might be a deal breaker as one of the HUGE reasons I got the G2X, was because it was a full HD camcorder and I can recored and watch vids on my Plasma via HDMI. Keep it simple....one cheap cord and no silly expensive dongle. Or at the very least HTC...bundle it with the phone.
G2X wins the port war as far as I'm concerned!
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perfectly stated. in a year or more mhl will be the standard and the cables/doggle whatever will be cheaper. so im sure this is a good port and will be standard but by the time it is itll be time for a new phone anyway. its like the days of having to buy a special cable to listen through headphones. until they started putting regular head phone jacks on the phone. carrying the doggle isnt a big deal since im sure not everyone has a micro hdmi sitting around so youd have to bring yours anyways. but as stated. for 3 bucks i have hdmi working not 40 bucks. and the charging through the mhl my 2011 model tv doesnt support it and i am hoping it lasts longer than 1 to 1 1/2 years the phone will last without the you need to buy the newest thing feature. that's the feature that the phone starts subliminally sending you when newer devices arrive although the tv is an LG so who knows about the quality of it i have received 3 updates on it since i bought it 2 months ago so beating out the phone so far
but the galaxy s-2 has an mhl port also and i think it would be easier to overlook it for that phone(if it is all that's advertised when it actually makes it to the states)

Question regarding HDMI out on tf700

Hey guys,
Today I tried connecting my tf700t (completely stock on latest OTA firmware .30) to my kinivo 3 port HDMI switch (model 301bn). The tablet never "senses" it has been connected to the switch. I try to manually change the switch to the input but it wont go. The switch is supposed to automatically switch when a new input is connected and then you can switch between active inputs. When I plug the tablet directly to the tv it works no problem.
I thought it may be an issue with the switch. To verify this, I plugged in my mom's tf300t that I bought her (it's on the latest jellybean OTA firmware) to see if I get the same results as my tf700t. Surprisingly, the tf300t "sensed" it was connected instantly and the switch did it' s job and mirrored the tf300t to my tv. I then tested it with my Motorola Atrix 4G and it worked perfectly with the switch.
Do any of you guys have a clue as to why the tf700t isn't playing nice with the switch or have any ideas as to fix this issue? My tv only has 1 hdmi output and it would really be a headache to go back there and hook up the tablet directly to the tv every time I wanted to watch a movie with the family. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Moe
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My initial guess would be that the switch can't handle the output resolution of the TF700. There seems to be a lot of issues with the HDMI out on the TF700 because it won't "scale" it's output at all - it simply outputs at the native resolution and cannot be chnaged (yet, anyway). Alot of folks are having issues connecting to TV's that don't accept the TF700's native resolution as well. Probably not much you can do at this point until Asus provides more scaling options for the TF700 HDMI output...
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well, the autoswitch relies on the +5v line which the tf700 doesn't output
(hdmi pin 18) you can find adapters to inject the +5 and restore operation of your autoswitch. (I believe this is also why it has issues connecting to certain TVs, it will not connect to adapted DVI for the most part)

Thanks for the info. Where would I be able to find such an adapter to inject the +5v? Or at least what is it called so I can search for it. I just discovered that the tf700t doesn't work with the main hdtv I want to connect it to.
Is this a hardware issue or software based? The tf300t doesn't seem to have this problem at all. I cant imagine the hardware for hdmi out would vary so drastically within a similar line of tablets. This is a little disheartening for such a "premium" table...
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jtrosky said:
My initial guess would be that the switch can't handle the output resolution of the TF700. There seems to be a lot of issues with the HDMI out on the TF700 because it won't "scale" it's output at all - it simply outputs at the native resolution and cannot be chnaged (yet, anyway). Alot of folks are having issues connecting to TV's that don't accept the TF700's native resolution as well. Probably not much you can do at this point until Asus provides more scaling options for the TF700 HDMI output...
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Actually, the TF700 does not output native resolution. The max it will do with output is 1920x1080. I really wish it would output the native res, but it always scales down to 1080 currently.
As far as the 5v issue, I have figured out that it does indeed send the signal but may not have a method to pass it beyond the initial hop. On hdmi and switches:
"Q. If an HDMI accessory device (i.e. switch box, cable booster) does not have a dedicated power supply, is it still compliant and will it work?
An HDMI device that has active electronics should have a provision for external power in order to be compliant (e.g. a receptacle to allow the use of a standard power adapter, sometimes called a power “brick”). Here we are drawing a distinction between “active” devices that actually have some powered electronics, and “passive” devices, such as some switches (more on those later).
Some active devices, such as actively powered HDMI cables or in-line signal extender boxes, will by default attempt to power their electronics by taking power from the 5V line (+5V power) available on the HDMI connector. The HDMI specification requires all source devices to provide at least 55mA (milliamps) on the 5V line for the purpose of reading the EDID of a display. While 55mA is not enough current to operate most HDMI accessory devices (which typically require about 100 to 150mA), most source devices on the market today provide significantly more current on the 5V line than the HDMI specification requires. As a result, the vast majority of accessory devices can operate when interfaced with a source device that provides more than the required current (i.e. over 100-150mA) on the 5V line. However, manufacturers should provide a provision for their powered HDMI accessory devices to obtain external power, and consumers are encouraged to look for this external power provision when purchasing such products.
Looking to the future, not all HDMI devices may provide this much power over the 5V line. For example, as HDMI expands into more and more portable applications (cameras, camcorders, laptops, etc.), power consumption is often much more of an issue, and such devices may not power the 5V line with the > 100mA required by such “active” devices. Again, consumers should consider ensuring that their active HDMI accessory device purchases have a provision for external power for this reason."
The TF700 does work within the spec, provides 55mA. There are some devices that look for more power from it, like a passive hdmi switch, if you are using an active(powered) switch, then it will be an issue with the type of data your tf700 is sending and if the switch has enough bandwidth to pass through. It could be related to the category of switch or cable also:
" Standard (or “category 1”) HDMI cables have been tested to perform at speeds of 75Mhz or up to 2.25Gbps, which is the equivalent of a 720p/1080i signal.
High Speed (or “category 2”) HDMI cables have been tested to perform at speeds of 340Mhz or up to 10.2Gbps, which is the highest bandwidth currently available over an HDMI cable and can successfully handle 1080p signals including those at increased color depths and/or increased refresh rates from the Source. High-Speed cables are also able to accommodate higher resolution displays, such as WQXGA cinema monitors (resolution of 2560 x 1600)."
http://www.hdmi.org/learningcenter/kb.aspx?c=13#42

I am posting this here in case anybody stumbles to this thread like I did, while trying to find out whether HDMI out works in this tablet.
I bought a Belkin 6ft Tablet to HDTV (with both micro and mini on one side of the cable) for 34$ or 39$. It works properly with my Samsung 32 inch TV with a resolution of 1300x768 (close to that). By default, the output didn't come properly (edges were missing). When I changed the picture settings to fit to width, it was perfect. Movies play beautifully...

unni_kmr said:
I am posting this here in case anybody stumbles to this thread like I did, while trying to find out whether HDMI out works in this tablet.
I bought a Belkin 6ft Tablet to HDTV (with both micro and mini on one side of the cable) for 34$ or 39$. It works properly with my Samsung 32 inch TV with a resolution of 1300x768 (close to that). By default, the output didn't come properly (edges were missing). When I changed the picture settings to fit to width, it was perfect. Movies play beautifully...
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Thanks, I stumbled here. There is a "slim portal adaper" on amazon that might work also.

I bought one of these and it works like a charm... Dunno if the type of TV matters but mines a Samsung 62" DLP. Nothing really special/different about it that I know of. It's about 5 years old...
http://www.monoprice.com/products/p...=10419&cs_id=1041913&p_id=7703&seq=1&format=2
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Barking up the wrong tree!!!
I own TWO Transformer Infinity Tabs (TF700) BOTH worked just fine going out into HDMI TV inputs and through my Sony amp into my TV.
Yesterday, the HDMI out on one of them quit.
Thisn't a switch issue it's a BROKE issue. Evidently, some of them are shipping broke, some are getting broken...
We need to readdress the problem in that light.

Does anyone's Infinity go higher than 65Mbps? This is nuts

I finally upgrade my network to Gigabit and True dual band N wireless, and I'm trying to get my Transformer Infinity to see higher 802.11n speeds than 65Mbps. I hope this is not another limitation to this tablet, otherwise I'm going to have to get rid of it.
My wireless N speeds are capable up to 450Mbps,
My XPS M1210 laptop with Dell 1500 Draft N card can connect at 270Mbps and I got that laptop back in 2006.
My Blackberry Playbook which is dual band capable (unlike the Transformer) connected easily to the 5GHz broadcast.
My Transformer Infinity is connected to the 2.4GHz band like my laptop and it's disappointing me with this 65Mbps speed.

You're disappointed with 65Mbps? My networks only 20/2 and i'm fine. What do you need more that 65Mbps on a tablet for?

What the heck would you need 450Mbps for? Even if the I/O issue didn't exist, it's still be bloody pointless. It's a waste as a server, p2p doesn't go faster than the seeder's connection, and even for profesisonal online gaming 20Mbps is more than enough.
Please tell me this isn't about "It should be capable because I want it to.".

Wouldn't this be a result of lacking the 5ghz band as well as only having 1 antenna?
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I have 192kbps max, count yourself lucky you have even 65mb XD
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Am I reading this right?
65mbps? You are mad at that? You can stream 1080p videos without a sweat.
I'm in one floor above my router in my bedroom right now and I'm getting 3mbps (not on an Infinity). Even when I'm ONE FOOT from the router I can't get much more than 20mbps.

Sounds like all he's doing is bragging about his net speed, if that's even true.
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wifesabitch said:
Am I reading this right?
65mbps? You are mad at that? You can stream 1080p videos without a sweat.
I'm in one floor above my router in my bedroom right now and I'm getting 3mbps (not on an Infinity). Even when I'm ONE FOOT from the router I can't get much more than 20mbps.
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I believe he's talking about the reported connection speed from the network card. The TF is limited to 72mbps and has no 5ghz band. 65mbps connection does not equate to 65mbps transfer. I can generally transfer at no more than about 15mbps down which is significantly slower than my laptop on the same router.
It is unfortunate that they chose to limit it rather than giving us the option to trade off power for speed. I can just barely stream full blu-ray spec video on a good day.

It's highly likely that the TF700 maxes at 65mb. I've never checked my connection speed on the tablet before, but my router transmits at 450mb/s and only my desktop reaches that connection speed because it has a 450mb/s tp-link card. My laptops Intel card maxes at 300mb/s.
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-Cupper- said:
You're disappointed with 65Mbps? My networks only 20/2 and i'm fine. What do you need more that 65Mbps on a tablet for?
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Yes I'm very disappointed, and what I'm about to explain next I hope to at least persuade or at least inform on the details of why 65Mbps is simply not enough for a modern day wireless device.
First I'm not talking about my internet speeds. Is the 20/2 you posted the upload and download speeds from your ISP, well that's ok, it's a little above the nation's average.
When I'm saying my Infinity is only pulling 65Mbps I'm talking about the speed it's achieving from the wireless on my local network.
common speeds are generally 100Mbps for Ethernet if using the an old 10/100Mbit router, and 54Mbps over wireless if using a Wireless G router.
10/100Mbps speeds have been around for more than a decade now and have been succeeded by Gigabit ethernet offering 1000Mbps. Wireless speeds have gone past 54Mbps since 802.11n was officially certified in 2009.
If you stream video from your computer, HTPC, HD Game console (PS3/X360),
Transfer large files between your computers, do any kind of remote desktop, your bandwidth on your local network comes into play.
What I'm trying to do is optimize the performance of Splashtop THD which requires massive bandwidth for streaming games between a PC and a tablet.
Under my old Belkin N150 G+ router I was only getting 65Mbps, which I thought was the max speed that the router would do because my XPS laptop was pulling the same rate over wireless (till I discovered that I never enabled the b/g/n 20/40MHz bandwidth capability on my laptop's network adapter to get higher speeds, so now my laptop is doing 270Mbps on my new N900 router where it initially was doing 130Mbps before I enabled the 20/40MHz)
Looking at the network settings on the Transformer Infinity doesn't have any option for 20/40MHz setting. I already knew it couldn't do dual band and be able to see a 5GHz broadcast but the fact that it's only showing 65Mbps, shows that this device wifi card is even more limited.
When I initially got Splashtop THD installed on my Transformer Infinity to test this out, the lag pretty much killed me let alone the degradation was pretty huge. I later read up from Splashtop support pages that the performance is dependent upon the bandwidth. Which makes since, so I used my D-Link USB ethernet adapter and connected my Infinity over a LAN connection at 100Mbps. This improved Splashtop THD quite a bit, there was still some lag but the quality look decent.
Here are some example screenshots I took of Splashtop THD playing at 100Mbps
http://systemwars.com/forums/index....ss-effect-2-on-my-transformer-infinity-tshbr/
This setup is moot since the device is not mobile anymore since I got it on a 100Mb ethernet adapter. This drove my attention to upgrade to Gigabit and true Wireless N speeds.
Luckily in 2012. Gigabit speeds is a common feature of a $70 price ranged router, but I wanted something more than the typical N300 routers so I got the big daddy N900 so I could do 450Mbps wireless which over 4x the amount I was getting over ethernet.
But sadly my goal is stopped in it's tracks due to the Transformer Infinity having the hardware of a pinto.
How on Earth could anyone think 65Mbps max for Wifi in 2012, on a tablet of all devices is enough.
Hell this puts the Transformer Infinity out of the realm of being a decent streaming media device, when it can't even hang with modern media device's mobile speeds.

the_game_master said:
Yes I'm very disappointed, and what I'm about to explain next I hope to at least persuade or at least inform on the details of why 65Mbps is simply not enough for a modern day wireless device.
First I'm not talking about my internet speeds. Is the 20/2 you posted the upload and download speeds from your ISP, well that's ok, it's a little above the nation's average.
When I'm saying my Infinity is only pulling 65Mbps I'm talking about the speed it's achieving from the wireless on my local network.
common speeds are generally 100Mbps for Ethernet if using the an old 10/100Mbit router, and 54Mbps over wireless if using a Wireless G router.
10/100Mbps speeds have been around for more than a decade now and have been succeeded by Gigabit ethernet offering 1000Mbps. Wireless speeds have gone past 54Mbps since 802.11n was officially certified in 2009.
If you stream video from your computer, HTPC, HD Game console (PS3/X360),
Transfer large files between your computers, do any kind of remote desktop, your bandwidth on your local network comes into play.
What I'm trying to do is optimize the performance of Splashtop THD which requires massive bandwidth for streaming games between a PC and a tablet.
Under my old Belkin N150 G+ router I was only getting 65Mbps, which I thought was the max speed that the router would do because my XPS laptop was pulling the same rate over wireless (till I discovered that I never enabled the b/g/n 20/40MHz bandwidth capability on my laptop's network adapter to get higher speeds, so now my laptop is doing 270Mbps on my new N900 router where it initially was doing 130Mbps before I enabled the 20/40MHz)
Looking at the network settings on the Transformer Infinity doesn't have any option for 20/40MHz setting. I already knew it couldn't do dual band and be able to see a 5GHz broadcast but the fact that it's only showing 65Mbps, shows that this device wifi card is even more limited.
When I initially got Splashtop THD installed on my Transformer Infinity to test this out, the lag pretty much killed me let alone the degradation was pretty huge. I later read up from Splashtop support pages that the performance is dependent upon the bandwidth. Which makes since, so I used my D-Link USB ethernet adapter and connected my Infinity over a LAN connection at 100Mbps. This improved Splashtop THD quite a bit, there was still some lag but the quality look decent.
Here are some example screenshots I took of Splashtop THD playing at 100Mbps
http://systemwars.com/forums/index....ss-effect-2-on-my-transformer-infinity-tshbr/
This setup is moot since the device is not mobile anymore since I got it on a 100Mb ethernet adapter. This drove my attention to upgrade to Gigabit and true Wireless N speeds.
Luckily in 2012. Gigabit speeds is a common feature of a $70 price ranged router, but I wanted something more than the typical N300 routers so I got the big daddy N900 so I could do 450Mbps wireless which over 4x the amount I was getting over ethernet.
But sadly my goal is stopped in it's tracks due to the Transformer Infinity having the hardware of a pinto.
How on Earth could anyone think 65Mbps max for Wifi in 2012, on a tablet of all devices is enough.
Hell this puts the Transformer Infinity out of the realm of being a decent streaming media device, when it can't even hang with modern media device's mobile speeds.
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Just to set your expectations properly however , I believe it is quite common if not universal across tabs to limit wifi to 65 or 72 mbps. I'm not sure if there are any mainstream tabs that support more.

You need a dual-band router and a dual-band capable device. Right now your tf700t is a single-band device. So you cannot get higher than 65mbps.

i don't think it is single band/dual band issue
to get the full 450Mb speed on an N device you have to have 3 antenna's 150Mb each at 40mhz
40Mhz is fully supported on the 5Ghz band but not really at the 2.4ghz (but it is working on this crowded band but it will take then 1-9 channels so if there are a lot of access point around then it won't work anyway very good)
so the tablet has a single antenna in the 2.4ghz range only doing 20mhz then it will not go over 72Mb thats just the max
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First, reported WIFI Connection speeds are so fake it's hardly worth talking about. I have had devices connect at 54mbps that were far faster at transfer than other devices that connect at 300mbps.
Second 5ghz band is actually terrible for true mobile devices, it has bad range and bad wall penetration which is exacerbated by devices moving around a lot. I have 5ghz on my phone and it's unusable, connecting using 2.4ghz is so much faster and more stable. The new Ipad has 5ghz support but the forums are full of people talking about how unusable it is.
Now all that said I have to agree with the OP that the throughput on the TF is rather disappointing. It's borderline in it's ability to stream full spec hd video. My original TF101 actually has slightly better throughput than my 700 even though it also only connects at <65mbps.
I did apply some of the tweaks from the dev thread with minimal success in improving streaming.

If we had full 450Mbps capacity, everyone would be whining about the "ridiculously low battery life."
Or have people conveniently forgotten that more speed requires more power?

ShadowLea said:
If we had full 450Mbps capacity, everyone would be whining about the "ridiculously low battery life."
Or have people conveniently forgotten that more speed requires more power?
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I'd happily settle for 270Mbps which my old laptop could do.
Has anyone attached a wifi adapter to their Transformer dock's USB? I wonder will that work alternatively, the same way the D-Link USB Ethernet adapters work from the USB.

Midnitte said:
Wouldn't this be a result of lacking the 5ghz band as well as only having 1 antenna?
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It has 2 antenna's
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This doesn't make sense, there's no way Splashtop requires more than those 65Mbps.
Splashtop probably uses some low-profile H.264 encoder, and Tegra 3's own H.264 video decoder only supports that codec up to 40Mbps at 1080p. The tablet's own hardware video decoder would be stuttering well before reaching those 65Mbps.
The BluRay discs have a maximum combined Audio+Video bandwidth (highest-quality 1080p video + 7.1 lossless sound) of 48Mbps. Splashtop is probably just using stereo MP3 @ <320Kbps or even AAC @ <192Kbps for audio, which leaves with more than 60Mbps for the 1080p video alone, which is way more than what nVidia's hardware codec can widthstand.
What you seem to have is a problem with output latencies, which could be due to:
- Slow CPU in the PC that is being used for coding the video+audio stream on-the-fly
- Poor performing parts somewhere in your LAN/WAN (slow router for example)
In case it might be the PC's CPU, try lowering the resolution in the game. It's not like you need it to be playing at 1920*1080. I'm pretty sure you'll still get gorgeous graphics in a 10" screen if you play at 1280*720 with 4X super-sampling antialiasing, for example. Or maybe 1600*900, or 1360*768.

ToTTenTranz said:
This doesn't make sense, there's no way Splashtop requires more than those 65Mbps.
Splashtop probably uses some low-profile H.264 encoder, and Tegra 3's own H.264 video decoder only supports that codec up to 40Mbps at 1080p. The tablet's own hardware video decoder would be stuttering well before reaching those 65Mbps.
The BluRay discs have a maximum combined Audio+Video bandwidth (highest-quality 1080p video + 7.1 lossless sound) of 48Mbps. Splashtop is probably just using stereo MP3 @ <320Kbps or even AAC @ <192Kbps for audio, which leaves with more than 60Mbps for the 1080p video alone, which is way more than what nVidia's hardware codec can widthstand.
What you seem to have is a problem with output latencies, which could be due to:
- Slow CPU in the PC that is being used for coding the video+audio stream on-the-fly
- Poor performing parts somewhere in your LAN/WAN (slow router for example)
In case it might be the PC's CPU, try lowering the resolution in the game. It's not like you need it to be playing at 1920*1080. I'm pretty sure you'll still get gorgeous graphics in a 10" screen if you play at 1280*720 with 4X super-sampling antialiasing, for example. Or maybe 1600*900, or 1360*768.
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You're confusing "Reported Connection Speed" with actual throughput. No wifi connection reported at 65mbps get's anywhere near 65mbps sustained throughput. The TF at 65 may get 20mbps on a really good day. My laptop connected at 150 might get 35-40.
That said I use run my desktop at full 1080 and have never had streaming issues with splashtop using it on either of my TFs.

ToTTenTranz, I haven't ruled out that poor performing PC could be contributing to latencies.
I am running the PC game near max settings, mainly since I'm trying to demonstrate Splashtop THD to it's full advertised potential and so far I have tested and confirmed that the quality is improved when using a D-Link 100Mbit USB Ethernet adapter over the wireless connection. I would like to see how much further Splashtop THD could perform if had at least double the bandwidth, but now it seems the only way I'll be able to test this is if I get a 1,000Mbit USB Ethernet adapter.

Adapter w/ 3 USB Ports (OTG), HDMI, and 2a Power Arriving Friday

so after a very long exhausting search for an adapter with USB and HDMI that also had power supply that would charge the Tab i finally found one.
you will see items like this on Amazon etc... but the problem is they have only 1a-1.5a charging adapter which doesnt charge our tablets because they were designed for phones.
here are the specs from a product by Lindy:
Dock Port : 1 x USB Micro-B 11-pin (Male)
USB Device Port: 3 x USB Type A (Female)
Video Output: 1 x HDMI (Female)
Power Input: USB Micro B type (Female)
Power LED Indication:
Red = Charging Mode
Blue = Active Mode
USB Port: USB 2.0 High Speed 480 Mbps
Power Voltage Support: DC 5V/2A (Micro B type)
HDMI Resolution (Max): 1920 x 1080p @ 60Hz
Operating Temperature: 00C - 400C
Storage Temperature: 00C - 600C
Weight: 59g
Dimension: (LxWxH) 91.8 x 60 x 12mm
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you can see the info from their overseas website here but have to use the US site for US folks where there is no information located here. they ship it from Germany to their US website office then to US address.
mine arrives Friday and will test out using external drive with movies on it etc.. also combining using the MHL feature to play that movie on a monitor and also using my HDMI to VGA adapter to play it on a projector all while keeping charged. crossing my finger.
of course this would be great for USB devices like joysticks, keyboard, etc..

Thanks for posting this. Please do keep us updated as to how it goes and what connections you try out. I'd be very curious.

looking nice maybe gonna pick one up too. i buy one from ebay Micro usb hub this one
but after using for one week look like this lol

linkhunter said:
looking nice maybe gonna pick one up too. i buy one from ebay Micro usb hub this one
but after using for one week look like this lol
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Hold! Arrived today and first glance it is not working on S but on Note 3 so more testing this evening and will post results.

Thanks very much for sharing, it is a pitty it is not working, it looks like exactly the thing I am after!

The one i use now are call mhl cable. It work fine with my note 3 and t705
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Does it charge the device the same time?

i am sending it back sadly. it may work for custom Roms but on my older Sammy stuff like my S4 and N3 it does everything you would expect including charging it while it operates. on the Tab S it doesnt even recognize it is attached and does not charge either.
i have been speaking with Lindy and they are going to look at a possible solution but who knows when if ever.
it doesnt appear that anything out there today will accomplish this on the new Sammy tablets as i have looked at everything on the web i think

fletch33 said:
i am sending it back sadly. it may work for custom Roms but on my older Sammy stuff like my S4 and N3 it does everything you would expect including charging it while it operates. on the Tab S it doesnt even recognize it is attached and does not charge either.
i have been speaking with Lindy and they are going to look at a possible solution but who knows when if ever.
it doesnt appear that anything out there today will accomplish this on the new Sammy tablets as i have looked at everything on the web i think
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The inability to charge this tablet is a major PITA.

Time to consider Miracast or Chromecasting, that would free up the charging port.

kenkiller said:
Time to consider Miracast or Chromecasting, that would free up the charging port.
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Chromecast works great with the Plex app on the Tab S. Once you go wireless, you will never go back to wired Hdmi cables. :laugh:

domo325 said:
Chromecast works great with the Plex app on the Tab S. Once you go wireless, you will never go back to wired Hdmi cables. :laugh:
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I agree however most board rooms that setup is not going to work. I also have a projector for kids movies outside and several other things like that.

I just received MHL adapter from Eeekit. It works only partialy. It does screen mirroring but it does not charge. Battery icon shows red x and status "Not charging" when connected. And another problem is that it only supports 1080p with 24Hz refresh rate. It is fine for bluray ripped movies but not for anything else including games and all online streams (NBC Sports Live Extra for example) cause they are probably streamed at 30fps so video is choppy. I had the same issue with oem Samsung MHL 2.0 dapter and my Galaxy S3. So is is there any other way to mirror Galaxy Tab S screen with 60Hz and without using a router?

Lucky in my case that mhl cable that i bough work fine. ..
Play Real Racing
Standard view
Youtube
Maps
Streaming
Mhl cable that i used.
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edan1979 said:
Lucky in my case that mhl cable that i bough work fine. ..
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Does it charge? And can you check if it give 60Hz refresh rate?

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Does it charge? And can you check if it give 60Hz refresh rate?
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yes it charge fine. and yes its play at 60hz refresh rate.
i have been use it since my Note 2... the cable has been used on my N2,N3,Note 8.0, Tab S 8.4LTE

edan1979 said:
yes it charge fine. and yes its play at 60hz refresh rate.
i have been use it since my Note 2... the cable has been used on my N2,N3,Note 8.0, Tab S 8.4LTE
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Do you have access to any 1080p tv and could verify if it will give 60Hz at 1080p? And where did you buy this cable? Thanks.

Yes it also work fine in full hd at 60hz. Just my kids are now using the tv so dont want them to disturb me later. ?
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edan1979 said:
Yes it also work fine in full hd at 60hz. Just my kids are now using the tv so dont want them to disturb me later. ?
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That's great. Exactly what I'm looking for. Do you have any link where it can be purchased?

SotYPL said:
That's great. Exactly what I'm looking for. Do you have any link where it can be purchased?
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I purchased it at local shop at my place
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Note 9 DEX and DEX dongle

Hello
So I've just pre ordered the Note 9 and I'm wondering about the DEX dongle and the dockless DEX that was shown at the unpacked event.
Currently I'm using my Note 8 with the first gen Dex which I have plugged in my TV, in the Dex I have connected Logitech wireless mouse and keyboard with the Logitech stick in USB, I also often transfer files from phone to a USB stick.
So I need atleast 2 usb ports on my dex, and my question is will the new dongle be a simple USB type C to HDMI cable (in which case I think any cable like this would Work) and doesn't appeal to me or it will have additional ports on it?
Has anyone seen the dongle in sale because I don't see it anywhere ?

Just keep using the dongle you already have.

I think note 9 will work with the dock you already have.
I also read that you can run more apps with the dock than the dongle.
There is also another dongle which has additional usb ports.
https://www.mobilefun.co.uk/official-samsung-galaxy-note-9-4k-multiport-usb-c-to-hdmi-adapter-68895

If we're going to be able to initiate DeX with a simple USB-C to HDMI adapter now, what does anyone think our chances of enabling it over Miracast is? THAT would be awesome!

I'm trying to work out how the dongle above at £80 in the UK works out as a better solution than the DEX dock with more app support according to the user above.

90€? That's almost the same price as the dock, it makes no sense. But will it be able to work with 3rd party cable? That way it would be possible to get a cable for around 5€ and just use it on the go

alltaken123 said:
I'm trying to work out how the dongle above at £80 in the UK works out as a better solution than the DEX dock with more app support according to the user above.
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I don't think it works better at all, u even get cooling with the dex dock.
Maybe more portable but that's it.

gCloud said:
I don't think it works better at all, u even get cooling with the dex dock.
Maybe more portable but that's it.
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I meant in terms of app support rather than solution. How does the dock have better app support?

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I meant in terms of app support rather than solution. How does the dock have better app support?
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I don't know how or why. We will soon find out for sure when people have the phone and dongles in their hands.
The dongle in the link just lets u charge and connect USB device over the dongle shown in unpacked.

I've been using N9 with Asus USB-C dock which came with my laptop. Connected that to my TV via HDMI, and voila - works fine from scrap parts lying around from monitor/ laptop purchase. Extra cost - 0 €, which translates to 0 £, I think))

strikey17 said:
I've been using N9 with Asus USB-C dock which came with my laptop. Connected that to my TV via HDMI, and voila - works fine from scrap parts lying around from monitor/ laptop purchase. Extea cost - 0 €, which translates to 0 £, I think))
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That's quite the result, at only £5 post brexit too.

I'll be using the Hyperdrive SOLO for all my dex needs. If you guys do get this, make sure it's the SOLO version not the PRO as the PRO has two type c's coming out and will probably not fit the Notes slots. The SOLO has one type C that comes out. Also works as a type c pass through and has two usb 3.0 and sd/micro slots and 3.5mm headphone jack. The 3.5mm audio jack (made to fit the mac pro but not needed on the Note 9 obviously) you see in the picture folds into the device so it's not an issue.
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That's quite the result, at only £5 post brexit too.
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How does it switch to DEX once connected with the cable? Is it like automatic or you need to setup something?
I'm still waiting for my N9 in preorder

Dex USB-C
Mpuljko said:
How does it switch to DEX once connected with the cable? Is it like automatic or you need to setup something?
I'm still waiting for my N9 in preorder
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I used it with the HDMI dock, as in my post above and now directly plugged into USB-C monitor (USB-c cable on both ends). DEX starts automatically, recognizes USB-C as HDMI,

strikey17 said:
I've been using N9 with Asus USB-C dock which came with my laptop. Connected that to my TV via HDMI, and voila - works fine from scrap parts lying around from monitor/ laptop purchase. Extra cost - 0 €, which translates to 0 £, I think))
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Is that a 4K TV? If yes, what is the max resolution you are getting? I currently have a DeX Station and Note 8 connected to a 4K monitor, but the output is only 1080p. The 2K option is greyed out. I am wondering if the same will happen when my Note 9 arrives and I plug it in.

krumbs said:
Is that a 4K TV? If yes, what is the max resolution you are getting? I currently have a DeX Station and Note 8 connected to a 4K monitor, but the output is only 1080p. The 2K option is greyed out. I am wondering if the same will happen when my Note 9 arrives and I plug it in.
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Nope, 1080p TV.

Hi,
On Monday I will connect my N9 to dock with my DELL business laptop and AOC 27" 2K screen. I will let You know how it is going.
Regards!
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krumbs said:
Is that a 4K TV? If yes, what is the max resolution you are getting? I currently have a DeX Station and Note 8 connected to a 4K monitor, but the output is only 1080p. The 2K option is greyed out. I am wondering if the same will happen when my Note 9 arrives and I plug it in.
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It's still the same with Note 9 as well. 1080p is the max resolution that works with a couple of adapters I've tried, Dell and Apple.

I was watching Sakitech Dex video on YouTube. The display shown on his monitor appeared to have square lines similar to viewing through a screen mesh. Is this normal?
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I saw a bunch of adapters on Amazon and eBay that claim not just 4K output but also Dex support. I assume they have been reversed engineered and includes a hardware or software tweak that makes a compatible Samsung phone believe an official Dex dock is being used.
Question: Would one of these adapters trigger the 1440p resolution when I plug in a Note 9? So far, from what I understand, only the Dex Pad will deliver 1440p. But the Dex Station and all these third-party adapters will give you 1080p max in Dex mode.
Is that correct? Has anyone found a way to get higher resolution for Dex?