Does anyone's Infinity go higher than 65Mbps? This is nuts - Asus Transformer TF700

I finally upgrade my network to Gigabit and True dual band N wireless, and I'm trying to get my Transformer Infinity to see higher 802.11n speeds than 65Mbps. I hope this is not another limitation to this tablet, otherwise I'm going to have to get rid of it.
My wireless N speeds are capable up to 450Mbps,
My XPS M1210 laptop with Dell 1500 Draft N card can connect at 270Mbps and I got that laptop back in 2006.
My Blackberry Playbook which is dual band capable (unlike the Transformer) connected easily to the 5GHz broadcast.
My Transformer Infinity is connected to the 2.4GHz band like my laptop and it's disappointing me with this 65Mbps speed.

You're disappointed with 65Mbps? My networks only 20/2 and i'm fine. What do you need more that 65Mbps on a tablet for?

What the heck would you need 450Mbps for? Even if the I/O issue didn't exist, it's still be bloody pointless. It's a waste as a server, p2p doesn't go faster than the seeder's connection, and even for profesisonal online gaming 20Mbps is more than enough.
Please tell me this isn't about "It should be capable because I want it to.".

Wouldn't this be a result of lacking the 5ghz band as well as only having 1 antenna?
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I have 192kbps max, count yourself lucky you have even 65mb XD
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Am I reading this right?
65mbps? You are mad at that? You can stream 1080p videos without a sweat.
I'm in one floor above my router in my bedroom right now and I'm getting 3mbps (not on an Infinity). Even when I'm ONE FOOT from the router I can't get much more than 20mbps.

Sounds like all he's doing is bragging about his net speed, if that's even true.
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wifesabitch said:
Am I reading this right?
65mbps? You are mad at that? You can stream 1080p videos without a sweat.
I'm in one floor above my router in my bedroom right now and I'm getting 3mbps (not on an Infinity). Even when I'm ONE FOOT from the router I can't get much more than 20mbps.
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I believe he's talking about the reported connection speed from the network card. The TF is limited to 72mbps and has no 5ghz band. 65mbps connection does not equate to 65mbps transfer. I can generally transfer at no more than about 15mbps down which is significantly slower than my laptop on the same router.
It is unfortunate that they chose to limit it rather than giving us the option to trade off power for speed. I can just barely stream full blu-ray spec video on a good day.

It's highly likely that the TF700 maxes at 65mb. I've never checked my connection speed on the tablet before, but my router transmits at 450mb/s and only my desktop reaches that connection speed because it has a 450mb/s tp-link card. My laptops Intel card maxes at 300mb/s.
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You're disappointed with 65Mbps? My networks only 20/2 and i'm fine. What do you need more that 65Mbps on a tablet for?
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Yes I'm very disappointed, and what I'm about to explain next I hope to at least persuade or at least inform on the details of why 65Mbps is simply not enough for a modern day wireless device.
First I'm not talking about my internet speeds. Is the 20/2 you posted the upload and download speeds from your ISP, well that's ok, it's a little above the nation's average.
When I'm saying my Infinity is only pulling 65Mbps I'm talking about the speed it's achieving from the wireless on my local network.
common speeds are generally 100Mbps for Ethernet if using the an old 10/100Mbit router, and 54Mbps over wireless if using a Wireless G router.
10/100Mbps speeds have been around for more than a decade now and have been succeeded by Gigabit ethernet offering 1000Mbps. Wireless speeds have gone past 54Mbps since 802.11n was officially certified in 2009.
If you stream video from your computer, HTPC, HD Game console (PS3/X360),
Transfer large files between your computers, do any kind of remote desktop, your bandwidth on your local network comes into play.
What I'm trying to do is optimize the performance of Splashtop THD which requires massive bandwidth for streaming games between a PC and a tablet.
Under my old Belkin N150 G+ router I was only getting 65Mbps, which I thought was the max speed that the router would do because my XPS laptop was pulling the same rate over wireless (till I discovered that I never enabled the b/g/n 20/40MHz bandwidth capability on my laptop's network adapter to get higher speeds, so now my laptop is doing 270Mbps on my new N900 router where it initially was doing 130Mbps before I enabled the 20/40MHz)
Looking at the network settings on the Transformer Infinity doesn't have any option for 20/40MHz setting. I already knew it couldn't do dual band and be able to see a 5GHz broadcast but the fact that it's only showing 65Mbps, shows that this device wifi card is even more limited.
When I initially got Splashtop THD installed on my Transformer Infinity to test this out, the lag pretty much killed me let alone the degradation was pretty huge. I later read up from Splashtop support pages that the performance is dependent upon the bandwidth. Which makes since, so I used my D-Link USB ethernet adapter and connected my Infinity over a LAN connection at 100Mbps. This improved Splashtop THD quite a bit, there was still some lag but the quality look decent.
Here are some example screenshots I took of Splashtop THD playing at 100Mbps
http://systemwars.com/forums/index....ss-effect-2-on-my-transformer-infinity-tshbr/
This setup is moot since the device is not mobile anymore since I got it on a 100Mb ethernet adapter. This drove my attention to upgrade to Gigabit and true Wireless N speeds.
Luckily in 2012. Gigabit speeds is a common feature of a $70 price ranged router, but I wanted something more than the typical N300 routers so I got the big daddy N900 so I could do 450Mbps wireless which over 4x the amount I was getting over ethernet.
But sadly my goal is stopped in it's tracks due to the Transformer Infinity having the hardware of a pinto.
How on Earth could anyone think 65Mbps max for Wifi in 2012, on a tablet of all devices is enough.
Hell this puts the Transformer Infinity out of the realm of being a decent streaming media device, when it can't even hang with modern media device's mobile speeds.

the_game_master said:
Yes I'm very disappointed, and what I'm about to explain next I hope to at least persuade or at least inform on the details of why 65Mbps is simply not enough for a modern day wireless device.
First I'm not talking about my internet speeds. Is the 20/2 you posted the upload and download speeds from your ISP, well that's ok, it's a little above the nation's average.
When I'm saying my Infinity is only pulling 65Mbps I'm talking about the speed it's achieving from the wireless on my local network.
common speeds are generally 100Mbps for Ethernet if using the an old 10/100Mbit router, and 54Mbps over wireless if using a Wireless G router.
10/100Mbps speeds have been around for more than a decade now and have been succeeded by Gigabit ethernet offering 1000Mbps. Wireless speeds have gone past 54Mbps since 802.11n was officially certified in 2009.
If you stream video from your computer, HTPC, HD Game console (PS3/X360),
Transfer large files between your computers, do any kind of remote desktop, your bandwidth on your local network comes into play.
What I'm trying to do is optimize the performance of Splashtop THD which requires massive bandwidth for streaming games between a PC and a tablet.
Under my old Belkin N150 G+ router I was only getting 65Mbps, which I thought was the max speed that the router would do because my XPS laptop was pulling the same rate over wireless (till I discovered that I never enabled the b/g/n 20/40MHz bandwidth capability on my laptop's network adapter to get higher speeds, so now my laptop is doing 270Mbps on my new N900 router where it initially was doing 130Mbps before I enabled the 20/40MHz)
Looking at the network settings on the Transformer Infinity doesn't have any option for 20/40MHz setting. I already knew it couldn't do dual band and be able to see a 5GHz broadcast but the fact that it's only showing 65Mbps, shows that this device wifi card is even more limited.
When I initially got Splashtop THD installed on my Transformer Infinity to test this out, the lag pretty much killed me let alone the degradation was pretty huge. I later read up from Splashtop support pages that the performance is dependent upon the bandwidth. Which makes since, so I used my D-Link USB ethernet adapter and connected my Infinity over a LAN connection at 100Mbps. This improved Splashtop THD quite a bit, there was still some lag but the quality look decent.
Here are some example screenshots I took of Splashtop THD playing at 100Mbps
http://systemwars.com/forums/index....ss-effect-2-on-my-transformer-infinity-tshbr/
This setup is moot since the device is not mobile anymore since I got it on a 100Mb ethernet adapter. This drove my attention to upgrade to Gigabit and true Wireless N speeds.
Luckily in 2012. Gigabit speeds is a common feature of a $70 price ranged router, but I wanted something more than the typical N300 routers so I got the big daddy N900 so I could do 450Mbps wireless which over 4x the amount I was getting over ethernet.
But sadly my goal is stopped in it's tracks due to the Transformer Infinity having the hardware of a pinto.
How on Earth could anyone think 65Mbps max for Wifi in 2012, on a tablet of all devices is enough.
Hell this puts the Transformer Infinity out of the realm of being a decent streaming media device, when it can't even hang with modern media device's mobile speeds.
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Just to set your expectations properly however , I believe it is quite common if not universal across tabs to limit wifi to 65 or 72 mbps. I'm not sure if there are any mainstream tabs that support more.

You need a dual-band router and a dual-band capable device. Right now your tf700t is a single-band device. So you cannot get higher than 65mbps.

i don't think it is single band/dual band issue
to get the full 450Mb speed on an N device you have to have 3 antenna's 150Mb each at 40mhz
40Mhz is fully supported on the 5Ghz band but not really at the 2.4ghz (but it is working on this crowded band but it will take then 1-9 channels so if there are a lot of access point around then it won't work anyway very good)
so the tablet has a single antenna in the 2.4ghz range only doing 20mhz then it will not go over 72Mb thats just the max
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First, reported WIFI Connection speeds are so fake it's hardly worth talking about. I have had devices connect at 54mbps that were far faster at transfer than other devices that connect at 300mbps.
Second 5ghz band is actually terrible for true mobile devices, it has bad range and bad wall penetration which is exacerbated by devices moving around a lot. I have 5ghz on my phone and it's unusable, connecting using 2.4ghz is so much faster and more stable. The new Ipad has 5ghz support but the forums are full of people talking about how unusable it is.
Now all that said I have to agree with the OP that the throughput on the TF is rather disappointing. It's borderline in it's ability to stream full spec hd video. My original TF101 actually has slightly better throughput than my 700 even though it also only connects at <65mbps.
I did apply some of the tweaks from the dev thread with minimal success in improving streaming.

If we had full 450Mbps capacity, everyone would be whining about the "ridiculously low battery life."
Or have people conveniently forgotten that more speed requires more power?

ShadowLea said:
If we had full 450Mbps capacity, everyone would be whining about the "ridiculously low battery life."
Or have people conveniently forgotten that more speed requires more power?
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I'd happily settle for 270Mbps which my old laptop could do.
Has anyone attached a wifi adapter to their Transformer dock's USB? I wonder will that work alternatively, the same way the D-Link USB Ethernet adapters work from the USB.

Midnitte said:
Wouldn't this be a result of lacking the 5ghz band as well as only having 1 antenna?
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It has 2 antenna's
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This doesn't make sense, there's no way Splashtop requires more than those 65Mbps.
Splashtop probably uses some low-profile H.264 encoder, and Tegra 3's own H.264 video decoder only supports that codec up to 40Mbps at 1080p. The tablet's own hardware video decoder would be stuttering well before reaching those 65Mbps.
The BluRay discs have a maximum combined Audio+Video bandwidth (highest-quality 1080p video + 7.1 lossless sound) of 48Mbps. Splashtop is probably just using stereo MP3 @ <320Kbps or even AAC @ <192Kbps for audio, which leaves with more than 60Mbps for the 1080p video alone, which is way more than what nVidia's hardware codec can widthstand.
What you seem to have is a problem with output latencies, which could be due to:
- Slow CPU in the PC that is being used for coding the video+audio stream on-the-fly
- Poor performing parts somewhere in your LAN/WAN (slow router for example)
In case it might be the PC's CPU, try lowering the resolution in the game. It's not like you need it to be playing at 1920*1080. I'm pretty sure you'll still get gorgeous graphics in a 10" screen if you play at 1280*720 with 4X super-sampling antialiasing, for example. Or maybe 1600*900, or 1360*768.

ToTTenTranz said:
This doesn't make sense, there's no way Splashtop requires more than those 65Mbps.
Splashtop probably uses some low-profile H.264 encoder, and Tegra 3's own H.264 video decoder only supports that codec up to 40Mbps at 1080p. The tablet's own hardware video decoder would be stuttering well before reaching those 65Mbps.
The BluRay discs have a maximum combined Audio+Video bandwidth (highest-quality 1080p video + 7.1 lossless sound) of 48Mbps. Splashtop is probably just using stereo MP3 @ <320Kbps or even AAC @ <192Kbps for audio, which leaves with more than 60Mbps for the 1080p video alone, which is way more than what nVidia's hardware codec can widthstand.
What you seem to have is a problem with output latencies, which could be due to:
- Slow CPU in the PC that is being used for coding the video+audio stream on-the-fly
- Poor performing parts somewhere in your LAN/WAN (slow router for example)
In case it might be the PC's CPU, try lowering the resolution in the game. It's not like you need it to be playing at 1920*1080. I'm pretty sure you'll still get gorgeous graphics in a 10" screen if you play at 1280*720 with 4X super-sampling antialiasing, for example. Or maybe 1600*900, or 1360*768.
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You're confusing "Reported Connection Speed" with actual throughput. No wifi connection reported at 65mbps get's anywhere near 65mbps sustained throughput. The TF at 65 may get 20mbps on a really good day. My laptop connected at 150 might get 35-40.
That said I use run my desktop at full 1080 and have never had streaming issues with splashtop using it on either of my TFs.

ToTTenTranz, I haven't ruled out that poor performing PC could be contributing to latencies.
I am running the PC game near max settings, mainly since I'm trying to demonstrate Splashtop THD to it's full advertised potential and so far I have tested and confirmed that the quality is improved when using a D-Link 100Mbit USB Ethernet adapter over the wireless connection. I would like to see how much further Splashtop THD could perform if had at least double the bandwidth, but now it seems the only way I'll be able to test this is if I get a 1,000Mbit USB Ethernet adapter.

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[Q] Wireless Speed Issues.

I have noticed on my Nexus S that when I do a speedtest over the wireless it caps out at like 5Mbps and when I watch my router control panel for the thoughput speed it peaks at 8.5Mbps yet if I do it from my laptop the speedtest on the same server reaches 32Mbps and the router is putting out 37Mbps over the wireless.
My router is in G-only mode and forcing 54Mbps since all my devices are G/N capable. Is anyone else noticing slowness with their wireless on their Nexus S?
Mine is rooted running Netarchy's 1.2.2+BFS kernel

Does a cable provided wireless router work as good a aftermarket one?

I got a few question on a few topics related to each other.
#1
Does a cable provided. Wireless router work as good a aftermarket one?
#2
My G1 work faster on my Linksys router at my old house verses my G1 using my cable providers wireless router. Any one else notice this too?
Now for the second part.
#3
Will the cable companys wireless router reduce the performance of Wi-Fi versus aftermarket wireless routers, Regarding Wi-Fi calling.
#4
How can I improve my Wi-Fi calling while at home?
I know if kids are playing online games Wi-Fi calling quality is horrible, If I hear anything at all.
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The answer depends on how you had the linksys router setup verses the cable company provided one and on what IEEE 802.11 protocols are available from each router. Ignoring 802.11a, since the G2x does not support that protocol, 802.11n is the best protocol to be using, it provides the largest bandwidth, most distance, fastest speed, and most MIMO streams.
802.11g is almost as good.
I would also say that you want to be able to use wpa2 as your encryption protocol.
Can I turn off the wireless and use my Linksys and get better performance? I need more wired Ethernet ports.
By the way both are G.
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I do not think you will get any noticeable difference in performance between the routers. Using the Linksys router might safe you a few dollars per month on the internet bill, if you can return the provided router and just use a provided cable modem.
Does your current internet plan provide the same down/up speeds as the plan you had at your old house? Where I am you can get plans with speeds ranging any where from 5 mb to 50 mb and if you do not ask for a more costly higher speed plan you get the 5 mb speed plan by default.
Most of the routers they give you with "internet service" are garbage. Aftermarket will almost always work better, provided you bought yourself a decent router.
Second possibility, is your new house isn't as friendly for wireless. I do networking for a living, so I've setup plenty of wireless networks at all different types of clients. There are some building, (or sometimes, even certain rooms) that will absolutely never get a good wireless signal. If the house is particularly old, they might have the inside of the walls with chicken wire. In the right (or this case, wrong,) configuration this can create a faraday cage. (google it, I'm not going to explain it here ) Sometimes certain electrical conduits can cause enough interference to mess up a wireless signal. Hell, sometimes your neighbor can have something that's creating issues.
Only thing you can really do is play with router placement, the channel (I'd suggest staying away from 6, especially if you have a microwave), internal router settings. There is an app you can get from the market (free) called wifi analyzer. Use it, perhaps someone is using a wireless router on the same channel as yours in the area, and your getting collisions.
As for the second part, your kids playing games are saturating your available bandwith. If that didn't happen with your old router (and I'm also going to assume that your internet connection is the same speed/latancey. If it's not, well, then all this reply is worthless), I'd try to use that.
Just tossing out some ideas, got a few minutes to kill. Good luck.
Thanks you.
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What is your Wireless Transfer Speed ?

Right now I have a wireless G router (LinkSys WRT54G) at home (I'll be getting a Wireless N in a week or so). But for now I'm getting extremely slow transfer speeds when copying files over wi-fi.
When using ES File explorer, I get around 7.5Mbps (Notebook on wired LAN, transformer on Wi-fi)
For speedtest.net I get is 7Mbps, but my notebook clocks 13Mbps over wi-fi.
I don't have another computer with me right now, therefore no way to test PC to PC wireless speed (one on wired, other on wireless). But from the looks of it, transformer is at least 2x slower than my notebook according to speedtest results; but since my ADSL connection max outs at 13Mbps anyways (even over a wired connection), I'm pretty sure that is far lower than the maximum achievable speed with my router. I was expecting speeds in the range of 20Mbps +.
What speeds are you guys getting ?
P.S: Transformer detects the link speed as 54Mbps, all speeds listed above are in Mega Bits Per Second.
Now I can't, but later I'll test this. I have a local caching proxy, so it can cache speedtest data and I've already seen it make a difference. Massive one.
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I got roughly 20mbps.
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I got 53 Mbits/sec on dslreports flash speed test.
I got arround 50mbps, in the wireless information im connected at 72mb/s.

[Q] Improving home wifi... 3 questions

So I'm thinking of getting that new badass Linksys N900 given the superb ratings & review and because I have like an 8 year old wireless router. So here are my basic questions.
1. Currently I have a 4 port Lynksys router connected to my cable modem and I have 3 computers hardwired to that. Off the final 4th port I have a Lynksys wireless router which is mounted up higher. I do this as my wireless router does not have enough ports to handle the 3 computers I want hardwired. SO I have always wondered ... am I losing wifi speed by having a wireless router connected to my router?
2. Should I cut that router on router setup out if I go to a new wireless router that has points for hardwired connections?
3. On this new Lynksys do you think it makes a difference - in terms if getting access to farther places in my home AND higher speeds all over the home - if I mount this way up high on a wall versus on my desk?
Lock-N-Load said:
So I'm thinking of getting that new badass Linksys N900 given the superb ratings & review and because I have like an 8 year old wireless router. So here are my basic questions.
1. Currently I have a 4 port Lynksys router connected to my cable modem and I have 3 computers hardwired to that. Off the final 4th port I have a Lynksys wireless router which is mounted up higher. I do this as my wireless router does not have enough ports to handle the 3 computers I want hardwired. SO I have always wondered ... am I losing wifi speed by having a wireless router connected to my router?
2. Should I cut that router on router setup out if I go to a new wireless router that has points for hardwired connections?
3. On this new Lynksys do you think it makes a difference - in terms if getting access to farther places in my home AND higher speeds all over the home - if I mount this way up high on a wall versus on my desk?
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Probably not the best forum to post this on (a networking forum would probably get you a much better answer, but:
1. No. As long as you're connected with 100/1000mbps, the WiFi radio itself is the limiting factor. Piggybacking two a router off a router won't have a noticeable effect on your transfer speeds.
2. To see the maximum benefit fron N900, you will need to be using clients (adapters) that support 3x3 spatial streams over the 5GHz spectrum, and that also clearly state they support '900'). These are not built into the majority of devices, and are quite expensive as far as adapters go.
You will notice some improvement in range regardless of whatever clients you connect (more powerful radio in the router), but if you're using single stream N clients (smartphones, iPads, cheap laptops etc.) You won't see any improvement on actual throughput at all assuming your old router was 'N' capable. If it was 'G' only, it's worth upgrading to N if you do a lot of local transfers, if you have a lot of clients, or if you stream audio/video a lot.
I hope this kinda helps and doesn't confuse you more, sorry but it's really not my strong suit. There's an excellent Australian forum called Whirlpool which is dedicated to networking and ISPs, although the regional stuff may not be relevant you may find a better answer there.
Good luck!
Have you considered flashing your Linksys router with DD-WRT or Tomato? There are lots of "how-to's" with a quick Google search; and it may solve your problems...particularly #3.
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Have you considered flashing your Linksys router with DD-WRT or Tomato? There are lots of "how-to's" with a quick Google search; and it may solve your problems...particularly #3.
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I do not.. I will look into it as I am not even sure what his means.. but if it is in Google, I will research
Edit... BEFSR41 router not supported, WRT54G wireless is supported.. now to find out more
Maybe my stuff is not as old as I thought and still useful? Or is it in fact dated like I think and I am losing out?
BEFSR41 router
WRT54G wireless
Lock-N-Load said:
I do not.. I will look into it as I am not even sure what his means.. but if it is in Google, I will research
Edit... BEFSR41 router not supported, WRT54G wireless is supported.. now to find out more
Maybe my stuff is not as old as I thought and still useful? Or is it in fact dated like I think and I am losing out?
BEFSR41 router
WRT54G wireless
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Ah the old WRT54G. One of the best and most customisable routers ever made. Unfortunately, in this day and age it'll also be your bottleneck. G wireless maxes out at 54mbps. Even single-stream N wireless (common on phones and tablets) maxes out at 72mbps. Even budget implementations of N in laptops, desktops etc. generally use 150mbps max throughput. There are all theoretical numbers, and don't include overheads or anything like that.
The other thing you need to consider is whether you are aiming to boost file transfer speed, or internet browsing/gaming/streaming speed. Boosting your wireless gear will get all your clients talking as fast as they can, but there'll be no benefit in it for you at all if you're on a 2mbps ADSL connection. Even B wireless can handle that.
If it's LAN transfers and LAN gaming you're going for, then the wireless upgrade is a winner. If it's internet-side speeds you want to boost, you may be better off putting the money into a higher-speed broadband plan

[SPECS] Nexus Player Specifications - Members Thoughts.

Hey Guys and Gals
Here is a thread to discuss the hardware and general design of the Nexus Player, feel free to comment:good:
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Specifications:
Display - N/A, connects to TV.
CPU - 1.8GHz Quad-core, Intel Atom
GPU - PowerVR Series 6
RAM - 1GB
Memory - 8GB
Camera - N/A
Secondary Camera - N/A
Sensors - N/A
Connectivity - Wifi 802.11ac, Bluetooth v4.1
Battery - N/A
Dimensions - 120 x 120 x 20 mm
Weight - 235g
Source: infocrowler (will be updated when we have more info:good
I think the 1GB ram will be a significant bottleneck for any high end games.
It's ddr3 ram, so here's hoping it's fast.
I'll summarize my thoughts from another thread rather than repost.
The CPU/GPU combo in the Nexus Player has been demonstrated before and is shown to be slightly faster than a Snapdragon 801. The Fire TV uses a Snapdragon 600. However, roughly 50% of apps on Google Play require binary translation to run on x86 as opposed to ARM. The apps will run, but this increases power draw (big deal on a phone, not so much on this device) and degrades performance. 3D graphics especially take a significant hit. So, we'll see how this plays out. I believe that ART is supposed to help with this (last time I saw the binary translation numbers was in 2012).
As for the RAM 1GB is fine. We're not multi-tasking with a recents button to quickly swap between background apps. A streaming media player needs to focus on the foreground app (Netflix, Hulu, game, etc) with resources reserved for the background UI. So 1GB will be fine more than fine for this.
The 8GB storage will be the main limitation for those who had visions of emulators, gaming, and maybe an extensive library on XBMC (I believe thumbnails, album art, movie sheets, etc. are stored locally). But for $99, the specs are more than adequate to compete with the other big streaming devices. I just wish that, along with this $99 device, that Google had a separate SKU with 2GB RAM and more storage.
It should have had a USB port that's what all media players have., or an Ethernet port. With out any of these, i an wondering how this can play hi res movies.
I imagine that the strategy behind 8gb storage/1gb ram was to keep the price under $100, and to encourage cloud-based/streaming media. Still, I agree that some expandability would have been preferred.
Still, I would be most interested in this over ATV/PSTV/FireTV because we will most likely figure out how to install KodiXBMC. The AC wifi will mean that there will be no problems if you have a good NAS or fast download speeds.
olly2009 said:
It should have had a USB port that's what all media players have., or an Ethernet port. With out any of these, i an wondering how this can play hi res movies.
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Over WiFi..very easily. Even my Nexus 5 with a single antenna is able to get a 400+Mb connection to my router...that way way more than you need for 1080p video at high bitrate. I stream full Blu-Ray rips over Wifi on my FireTV from my pc with no problem.
I think people are too focused on the 1GB RAM limitation. Do not assume this device will function as a phone or tablet. Android TV has been streamlined to function, as @jaykresge put it, a streaming device focused on the foreground application rather than multi-tasking. As long as I can get my XBMC, HBO Go, Netflix, and a few others, I don't the problem. Games are a "maybe" for me and if I wanted to sole game, I got my PS4 (ha ha ha).
You can set xbmc to store thumbnails on a nas instead of locally. And for the guy that said that Ethernet was a must, the fire TV has fastethernet which is only 100mb transfer speeds. 802.11ac blows that out the water.
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And for the guy that said that Ethernet was a must, the fire TV has fastethernet which is only 100mb transfer speeds. 802.11ac blows that out the water.
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The issue for ethernet is not speed. The issue is that some people live in apartment building where you've got 20 other Wi-Fi signals interfering with yours and it doesn't matter how fast your packets move when they're not reaching the device.
Either way it's not an issue, just get an OTG cable and Ethernet adapter.
xBIGREDDx said:
The issue for ethernet is not speed. The issue is that some people live in apartment building where you've got 20 other Wi-Fi signals interfering with yours and it doesn't matter how fast your packets move when they're not reaching the device.
Either way it's not an issue, just get an OTG cable and Ethernet adapter.
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Thats only 2.4ghz, if youre trying to stream 720p/1080p content i would hope you would save a couple of bucks and at least purchase a 5ghz N router/ap. I understand not everyone can buy a asus 87u or a netgear r8000 ac router but common people a 5ghz N router is $50.
mejdam said:
Thats only 2.4ghz, if youre trying to stream 720p/1080p content i would hope you would save a couple of bucks and at least purchase a 5ghz N router/ap. I understand not everyone can buy a asus 87u or a netgear r8000 ac router but common people a 5ghz N router is $50.
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5GHz is terrible through walls though. I've got an Asus RT-N66u and even with that the 5GHz doesn't work well from across the house, while the 2.4GHz is solid from a block down the street.
mejdam said:
Thats only 2.4ghz, if youre trying to stream 720p/1080p content i would hope you would save a couple of bucks and at least purchase a 5ghz N router/ap. I understand not everyone can buy a asus 87u or a netgear r8000 ac router but common people a 5ghz N router is $50.
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Even that isn't necessary. We were using a -G router and streaming 1080p content just fine. It's when we added a 2nd unit that issues cropped up. Couldn't do 1080p on both sets simultaneously. We got a dual-band N router a few years ago. We typically have two HD sources going now, sometimes up to 4, all without issue. We even stream local 1080p BD rips off our NAS (re-encoded with Handbrake, 18mpbs is our largest).
You don't need 5ghz nor AC to stream HD content. If anything, proximity and obstruction(s) will be the larger issues.
jaykresge said:
Even that isn't necessary. We were using a -G router and streaming 1080p content just fine. It's when we added a 2nd unit that issues cropped up. Couldn't do 1080p on both sets simultaneously. We got a dual-band N router a few years ago. We typically have two HD sources going now, sometimes up to 4, all without issue. We even stream local 1080p BD rips off our NAS (re-encoded with Handbrake, 18mpbs is our largest).
You don't need 5ghz nor AC to stream HD content. If anything, proximity and obstruction(s) will be the larger issues.
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you missed the context of my post, it was in response to a user who claimed there was tons of overlap from other Wifi routers/aps. 5GHZ is a solution since the 2.4ghz spectrum only has 3 channels that dont interfere with eachother (1,6,11).
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xBIGREDDx said:
5GHz is terrible through walls though. I've got an Asus RT-N66u and even with that the 5GHz doesn't work well from across the house, while the 2.4GHz is solid from a block down the street.
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2.4ghz goes further, that is true but in your scenario (Overlapping 2.4ghz networks) 5GHZ is your only other choice. Yes ethernet would be a viable solution but most family members i know (ATV, FTV, Roku, chromecast) use wifi , rarely do people have ethernet drops in their bedrooms. For the nitch market that wants to stream heavy content (like us) they should buy a router capable of higher speeds.
Nexus Player specs are straight up terrible. If ADT-1 was finished and available to the market, I wouldn't even look at the Nexus Player. I could care less about streaming video, as I'm all in for Android Gaming. So the Nexus Player either can prove me wrong, and make use of the specs it has, but as of right now, I dont like the Specs within the Nexus Player.
Predecessor to Nexus Q?
The homepage for the XDA Nexus Player forum lists the Nexus Player as the predecessor to the Nexus Q. Moderator please fix.
xBIGREDDx said:
5GHz is terrible through walls though. I've got an Asus RT-N66u and even with that the 5GHz doesn't work well from across the house, while the 2.4GHz is solid from a block down the street.
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Right, so use 2.4GHz if you're in a larger home where you likely won't get a lot of interference and need the range, and 5GHz if you're in a smaller apartment where you are likely to get a lot of interference and don't need the range.
Power adapter Voltage
I'm looking to buy the Nexus Player but would like to use it overseas. I was wondering if you could tell me if the power adapter is 110-220v and/or if it can be powered by a USB. I tried searching online, but can't seem to find any info about the power source.
Thanks for any help.
olly2009 said:
It should have had a USB port that's what all media players have..
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It has one. I have a USB hub plugged in to mine with 2 devices plugged into it. Have to use an OTG cable, but those are cheap.
@nimdae. Thanks for precising. Just need to wait it becomes available in France, so I can upgrade from my 4 years old WD TV Live.

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