Hello guys
which combination of rom and kernel scores the best battery life?
It's simple:
Kernel: Usage differs
Rom: Questions Belong in Q&A based on 4.4
Sorry if my answer may be 'cocky' but we've got a special section on XDA for questions and answers.
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Use the search feature in xda, there are many tips for battery improvement.
On other hand, i get 5 hours 30mins SOT on wifi and 4 hours SOT on 4G with stock rom and with medium usage.
No matter what you do, flashing diff rom/kernel won't get you any proper battery improvement. Just stick with stock rom and wait for Android L for a better battery performance and usage.
Yes stick with stock..
Battery is nothing to do with ROM and kernel combination. It is to do with ROM and kernel settings.
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Read the first 4 posts in the battery thread in my signature.
And as pointed out above....roms/kernels make a very minor, if any difference to battery life.
Setup, usage and signal strength are the main factors. ?
rootSU said:
Battery is nothing to do with ROM and kernel combination. It is to do with ROM and kernel settings.
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KJ said:
Read the first 4 posts in the battery thread in my signature.
And as pointed out above....roms/kernels make a very minor, if any difference to battery life.
Setup, usage and signal strength are the main factors. ?
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I feel as if we're going to be repeating this even more now.
Lethargy said:
I feel as if we're going to be repeating this even more now.
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I have a notepad for XDA posts and link copy pastes. I'll just add the standard statement for this to it. Lol
Someone asked me to stop repeating this recently, I said no....I won't stop trying to help the misinformed. ?
elitejunkie said:
Hello guys
which combination of rom and kernel scores the best battery life?
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Its totally based on your use. There's no magic combination that works for everyone!
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If there was anything that was "best for battery life", wouldn't someone have been able to prove it by now?
I guess it doesn't help with so many claiming their new ROM/kernel has greatly increased their battery time. Subjective opinions with out proper testing shouldn't be taken as fact though.
bblzd said:
If there was anything that was "best for battery life", wouldn't someone have been able to prove it by now?
I guess it doesn't help with so many claiming their new ROM/kernel has greatly increased their battery time. Subjective opinions with no factual basing shouldn't be taken as fact though.
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think about how many people using any kernel/rom claim that its the best for battery. then again, there are just as many people that claim that the certain kernel/rom give them the same battery life. in reality though, its all about you. how you use your device, how you set it up, which apps you use, etc. but there is one variable that you have no control over, thats the quality of your phone/data connection. and that will determine what is the best battery possibility is for you. if your phone/data signal isnt good quality, then your battery life will always suffer, no matter what.
9 times out of 10....it's the flashing the new Rom and or kernel that clears out an undiagnosed battery issue they had and magically their battery life seems awesome on the new Rom or kernel. ?
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I feel as if we're going to be repeating this even more now.
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Yep. Maybe someone(hint hint) should start an "All-in-one Best thread". Since the reversal of XDA policy I would much rather see all this nonsense contained to one singular thread than reposted in different forms every six hours. I would do it but I'm lazy and wouldn't be able to give that thread the attention it deserves. Just some food for thought.
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Yep. Maybe someone(hint hint) should start an "All-in-one Best thread". Since the reversal of XDA policy I would much rather see all this nonsense contained to one singular thread than reposted in different forms every six hours. I would do it but I'm lazy and wouldn't be able to give that thread the attention it deserves. Just some food for thought.
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It's been suggested to do that, like the N7 2012 has had for awhile....but the individual threads are still allowed and preferable to one dedicated thread.
That was told to me. Reason is the "best" questions usually come with something else. Not just "best Rom"....usually best for this or that....or comparing this to that.
I like the one thread idea....but it what it is and those resisting it are best to let it go and ignore the threads if that's their choice.
That was also said by moderators.
Just letting everyone know. ?
KJ said:
It's been suggested to do that, like the N7 2012 has had for awhile....but the individual threads are still allowed and preferable to one dedicated thread.
That was told to me. Reason is the "best" questions usually come with something else. Not just "best Rom"....usually best for this or that....or comparing this to that.
I like the one thread idea....but it what it is and those resisting it are best to let it go and ignore the threads if that's their choice.
That was also said by moderators.
Just letting everyone know. ?
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Thanks KJ.
I just PM'd one of our mods about the issue. He said he'd go over it with the Mod committee. I also asked for it to be started by a mod and stickied. We'll see what happens. Either way it's the same stuff repeated over and over. Copy and paste. lol
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Thanks KJ.
I just PM'd one of our mods about the issue. He said he'd go over it with the Mod committee. I also asked for it to be started by a mod and stickied. We'll see what happens. Either way it's the same stuff repeated over and over. Copy and paste. lol
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i kinda started a discussion thread about this(in the general section)..
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Thanks KJ.
I just PM'd one of our mods about the issue. He said he'd go over it with the Mod committee. I also asked for it to be started by a mod and stickied. We'll see what happens. Either way it's the same stuff repeated over and over. Copy and paste. lol
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Start at this post for my discussion...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=55702841
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Thanks KJ.
I just PM'd one of our mods about the issue. He said he'd go over it with the Mod committee. I also asked for it to be started by a mod and stickied. We'll see what happens. Either way it's the same stuff repeated over and over. Copy and paste. lol
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I asked for some rules. Eg "what ROM has this feature set" = yes, ambiguous best threads = no.
However we probably shouldn't hijack these threads to discuss it.
Everyone with suggestions pm a helpful mod such as @El Daddy and maybe we'll get a compromise, but for now let's just answer the threads with the usual answers
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Thanks KJ.
I just PM'd one of our mods about the issue. He said he'd go over it with the Mod committee. I also asked for it to be started by a mod and stickied. We'll see what happens. Either way it's the same stuff repeated over and over. Copy and paste. lol
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Thanks. It's really needed!
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Anyone asking questions like this should stick to stock rom and kernel.
If you can't be bothered to actually use some roms and kernels and tell us what you think how can you evaluate an answer?
Also, obviously you are getting into a touchy area and rejecting anything rom/kernel devs can have to say about it. You want them to come here and battle it out for you?
There is no such thing as best, and many of the custom roms and kernels make a good combo. Look at the rom and kernel threads and decide which gives you the options you want.
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I'm using Continuum 3.1.1 with JS5
For some weird reason with this ROM I always get send failed with texting...started happening A LOT this afternoon so I'm looking at reflashing to something newer or different.
What are you opinions?
Im not looking for anything with UV/OC I don't need it and it unnecessarily drains my battery
Thread could get locked down as soon as any mod sets his eye on thread.
To answer ur question: Its a matter of preference. There is a thread here that shows battery life comparison. And every ROMs OP and some early and later posts tell abt what's working and what's not.
STOCK FTW!!!
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What are you opinions?
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Opinion is delete this thread.
There is no Best Rom Thread. Only Best for you. Try the ones that catch your eye and find your best.
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Hey guys,
I'm trying to figure out what people are getting for idle battery drain. It seems the best i've ever been able to achieve is around 3.5% an hour, and never consistently. I've seen some people report idle battery drain close to 1%. So i'm wondering what people are seeing for their idle drain, and asking for as much info as possible about their setup, including rom, kernel, governor, uv/oc, any specific apps frozen or auto-starts removed, google apps or alternatives (such as k9 vs gmail)?
Thanks guys!
Ratkid
Wake lock thread in general section
Battery life help thread also in general section.
Please search and do research I am reporting this thread as it really isn't necessary.
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The_Blue_Waffle said:
Wake lock thread in general section
Battery life help thread also in general section.
Please search and do research I am reporting this thread as it really isn't necessary.
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There is a difference between help with battery life and a survey. This is also not specific to wakelocks. Please don't assume that people don't search or do research. I have done quite a lot of research, and searching, including reading almost the entire bbs thread (about 900 of the 1000 or so pages). I am asking for what experience other people are having. Also, if you look at my question, it is not about battery life in general, but specific to idle drain percents. You can have phenomenal idle drain percentages, but horrible battery life.
That's the thing this is pointless each phone is different use those threads to maximize your personal performance we already have enough threads on how to boost performance we don't need a survey to see how everyone is doing again its pointless
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That may be your opinion, which you are entitled to. I however disagree. I think this is a different topic than "improve my battery life". Yes every phone is different, but that does not invalidate the question. If you do not want to contribute to this thread in a positive manner, please don't clutter it. If people truly feel it is useless, they do not have to post.
OK so please enlighten me how this does anything for anyone other than start a flame war of this ROMs so much better blah blah blah blah
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The_Blue_Waffle said:
OK so please enlighten me how this does anything for anyone other than start a flame war of this ROMs so much better blah blah blah blah
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If this is really something you wish to discuss, lets take it offline. In the meantime, I'm still hopeful that this thread can be useful, at the very least for me if not everyone else. Again, please don't post again unless you have something to contribute along the lines of the OP. Thank you.
OK so knowing exactly what you are looking for in this thread I can tell you you won't find it there are far too many variables. Your looking for an average amongst everyone which is insane. For you to find even an inkling of an idea you need every single point of data I'm talking ROM, kernel, every single installed app, every setting, BBS stats looking for wake locks, what every app does in standby, its far too much data to compute to give you any accurate idea it's a fruitless idea the only thing you can do is go to each ROM thread and look at what people are saying about it.
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OK so knowing exactly what you are looking for in this thread I can tell you you won't find it there are far too many variables. Your looking for an average amongst everyone which is insane. For you to find even an inkling of an idea you need every single point of data I'm talking ROM, kernel, every single installed app, every setting, BBS stats looking for wake locks, what every app does in standby, its far too much data to compute to give you any accurate idea it's a fruitless idea the only thing you can do is go to each ROM thread and look at what people are saying about it.
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See that's just it. An average means the good, the bad, the great, the ugly, and the ok. It includes the heavy users and the light users. The people who use data hungry apps, and the people who don't. If enough people contribute, regardless of what apps they are using, you can get an idea. It is not an insane idea. Yet again, you have chosen to post in this thread with information that is not relavent to the thread. Instead you continue to attempt to put me down instead of both respecting my wishes to take this offline, and respecting my request to keep the thread relevant. You claim that you are trying to prevent the forum from being flooded with junk postings, yet this is exactly what you are doing instead of helping. At this point, my thread is useless because of the back and forth we are having here. I would be shocked if anyone would post in here after reading all this. Moderators, please close this thread as "The_Blue_Waffle" has ruined it for me.
Thank you.
On cm 10 I get about 4 to 6 percent loss a hour. With no notifications. If I get an email and the blink light notification goes off for a while it gets worse. Most of the time it's in my pocket never notice the blink light if I miss the notification. I've recently used set cpu to lower the clock speed to 192. Might help
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See that's just it. An average means the good, the bad, the great, the ugly, and the ok. It includes the heavy users and the light users. The people who use data hungry apps, and the people who don't. If enough people contribute, regardless of what apps they are using, you can get an idea. It is not an insane idea. Yet again, you have chosen to post in this thread with information that is not relavent to the thread. Instead you continue to attempt to put me down instead of both respecting my wishes to take this offline, and respecting my request to keep the thread relevant. You claim that you are trying to prevent the forum from being flooded with junk postings, yet this is exactly what you are doing instead of helping. At this point, my thread is useless because of the back and forth we are having here. I would be shocked if anyone would post in here after reading all this. Moderators, please close this thread as "The_Blue_Waffle" has ruined it for me.
Thank you.
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It was destined to fail from the start. This thread is garbage. All it does is waste space and clutter the place up. We already have battery threads. At least 3 of them that are chalked full of screen shots, set ups, and comparisons.
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I just tested mine. With data and wifi off and a few phone calls I woke up to 19 hours 21 minutes on battery and 87% battery remaining. I did use wifi for a few minutes.
I don't have data on my phone yet. Can't justify the price considering how much I would use it.
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Hey!
First of all sorry if this is a repost, but i just can't really figure things out on my own.
I have a samsung galaxy s 4g branded to t-mobile. I had a paranoid android rom installed, but it drained my battery quite a bit and i crashed a lot of times. Now i decided to simply install the stock rom, which works good for me. The only problem is that it my phone won't recognize my sim card. I had this problem before, but after installing a custom rom it worked fine.
Can somebody please tell me a good, stabile rom for the sgs4g, that doesn't drain the battery too much? Also i would need some instructions on how to get the rom installed properly.
Thanks for your help!
all roms use battery
hmm
Well yeah. But some do more and some less, right? I am just looking for a rom that is stabile and doesnt crash all the time. i am not looking for a unofficial beta or something, just for something that works, you know what i mean? :/
Try barebones, it works great for me. Its based off the stock GB rom so its really stable
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Thanks!
pisherthefisher said:
Try barebones, it works great for me. Its based off the stock GB rom so its really stable
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Thanks!!
i installed cyanogenmod 9 yesterday, and i made a soft reset. Now my sim card works again, but the wifi signal is really bad. I will try out the barebones one
To go to stock ROM :
Use - Heimdall One Click posted here.
Try it and if you want some more features, while maintaining stock look and feel - I recommend using Barebone - here.
Just search and read b4 u post. This question had been asked like a 100x by newbies who failed to give this forum much attention. It is getting monotonous and doesn't need anymore attention.
For future reference, I urge forum members not to reply to this type of question.
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Just search and read b4 u post. This question had been asked like a 100x by newbies who failed to give this forum much attention. It is getting monotonous and doesn't need anymore attention.
For future reference, I urge forum members not to reply to this type of question.
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I am sorry, but you also should have read my post in which i am already saying sorry for the repost.
Nevertheless i guess my problem is solved so this thread can be closed so that all of you are happy
I've read your post , alright. It is nothing but a mere facade for your exploitation. You apologized ahead tells me that you knew that your question probably had been answered already in this forum, and yet you continued to post it. Rather than searching the forum, you resorted an easy route with an initial hollow apology and irrelevant reasons as a cover up of your real intention.
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down boy, question answered, thread will be closed, no harm was done.
Have a good day!
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Just search and read b4 u post. This question had been asked like a 100x by newbies who failed to give this forum much attention. It is getting monotonous and doesn't need anymore attention.
For future reference, I urge forum members not to reply to this type of question.
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I've read your post , alright. It is nothing but a mere facade for your exploitation. You apologized ahead tells me that you knew that your question probably had been answered already in this forum, and yet you continued to post it. Rather than searching the forum, you resorted an easy route with an initial hollow apology and irrelevant reasons as a cover up of your real intention.
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Woody said:
I still believe that the Report button should be used as a first line here. If something can be answered, the do it and be helpful in 1 or 2 posts. If things get out of hand, then use that button. That is why it is there.
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Words of wisdom from the moderator.
Telling people to not help newbs is just wrong.
The post bothers you...move on.
This forum was designed for devs,and users alike....to help.
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Telling people to not help newbs is just wrong.
The post bothers you...move on.
This forum was designed for devs,and users alike....to help.
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Nobody is saying not to help newbs here. You have misread the discussion here. It is not a matter of bothersome, it is much to do with the newbs showing interest in this community by first reading the threads. By posting the same question over and over again just showed me that these newbs are here for a quick answer and leave. And on the Net we have a term for that, they are considered "leechers."
There are many other newbs in this forum, and they don't act in this manner. I am always happy to help them within the scope of my knowledge.
When you say "if the post bother me then just move on," it tells me that either you are trying to avoid this issue and/or haven't put much thought in this matter.
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Its simply that I don't care....I don't let it bother me...I help people at random....as I see where I can.
I don't post to their questions with a rant...I simply ignore the post and move on,or help if I so choose.
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Its simply that I don't care....I don't let it bother me...I help people at random....as I see where I can.
I don't post to their questions with a rant...I simply ignore the post and move on,or help if I so choose.
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THIS!
Either ignore the post and report it or just dont effing respond. Look at what woody said in the quote I posted above.
People need to learn to use the brain function called ignore. If people would just report posts/threads and not post some snarky retort threads would stay focused. But I digress.
One more thing, sometimes plane answer is the shortest way to close the discussion ...
sent from me
For best battery life on ICS or JB flash my Proton kernel
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AOKP has been perfectly stable, and given good battery life on both mine, and my wife's SGS4G's. She was running Valhalla Final and having constant reboots. Ran Gremlin Remover, and worked up to installing AOKP. Neither unit has had a single force close or reboot. I also swapped my stock OEM battery (which was going bad and part of the reason for the instability in my phone) which is 1650 mAh with an Anker 1800mAh battery. I can now get by on one charge a day, which is nice......there are likely some which are much more slim, but all depends on what your needs are.
Hey guys,
Returned to xda after a long long time, had even forgotten my previous username/password so made a new id!
Quick question, which is the best current rom for desire s? By best I mean the one which is stable, the most lag-free and hang-free, and if possible, has a good battery life.
I've been on sabsa prime for a long long time now and it had a very crappy battery life and it hangs like a massive saturday morning hangover.
How is the [ROM][16 July][4.0.4][Sense 4.1 Full][OTA|HUB|Tweaks|v1.1.0 ModPack] SVHD v1.7.3 rom? I've done a quick browse through the dev forum and it seems to be the better one.
Any quick help would be much appreciate. I'll flash after the first 5 or so recommendations asap
These type of 'best' rom posts are not permitted on xda as you will get 10 different answers from 10 different people and can cause arguments. Please do not make these threads on xda.
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These type of 'best' rom posts are not permitted on xda as you will get 10 different answers from 10 different people and can cause arguments. Please do not make these threads on xda.
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I understand but how else am I supposed to figure out which rom I should use. I mean I can't go around installing every single rom and keeping it for a number of days to test them. that would take too much time.
one of the purposes of the fourm is to help people, right?
Can I request the mods to lock this thread, after exactly 10 replies? That would serve both purposes. Thanks
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I understand but how else am I supposed to figure out which rom I should use. I mean I can't go around installing every single rom and keeping it for a number of days to test them. that would take too much time.
one of the purposes of the fourm is to help people, right?
Can I request the mods to lock this thread, after exactly 10 replies? That would serve both purposes. Thanks
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Actually, the sole purpose of XDA is Development. It is not a helpdesk for noobs - if you disagree with that view then that shows you haven't done much searching and reading yet.
Pick 3 or 4 of the ROMs which look best to you, install each one, test it and then move on to the next - that is exactly what we all do with our devices. The only person who can judge a ROM is you - some ROMs might work well for one person so they recommend, but you hate it or it kills one of your applications. Benchmarks are useless and serve no real-world purpose.
Just download, flash, try and see what suits you.
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Actually, the sole purpose of XDA is Development. It is not a helpdesk for noobs - if you disagree with that view then that shows you haven't done much searching and reading yet.
Pick 3 or 4 of the ROMs which look best to you, install each one, test it and then move on to the next - that is exactly what we all do with our devices. The only person who can judge a ROM is you - some ROMs wight work well for one person so they recommend, but you hate it or it kills one of your applications. Benchmarks are useless and serve no real-world purpose.
Just download, flash, try and see what suits you.
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I understand what you're saying. I'd like to add that I'm in fact not a noob and have tried about 7-8 different roms on my desire s in a period of 3 or 4 months, towards the end of last year. I have a job now and no time for these things so I was just looking for a quick fix. Just some decent reviews from people who use the roms on these forums.
Please STOP posting here, you're ruining this thread and you're doing exactly what the first reply warned about.
If anyone wants to say a sentence or two about a specific rom, please post, otherwise don't.
IF the mods have a problem, then lock it. I strongly request you to leave it open for 10-12 replies and then lock it but it's up to you.
Good day.
helloween3 said:
I understand what you're saying. I'd like to add that I'm in fact not a noob and have tried about 7-8 different roms on my desire s in a period of 3 or 4 months, towards the end of last year. I have a job now and no time for these things so I was just looking for a quick fix. Just some decent reviews from people who use the roms on these forums.
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You ARE a noob or you wouldn't have created this thread contrary to the rules of XDA. Most of us on here have jobs, but we still fit in our addiction to flashing and to helping other users around real life as best we can.
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Please STOP posting here, you're ruining this thread and you're doing exactly what the first reply warned about.
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I was trying to explain further, to your befuddled mind, why you had been told by @ifti786 that this thread was not a good idea.
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If anyone wants to say a sentence or two about a specific rom, please post, otherwise don't.
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IF the mods have a problem, then lock it. I strongly request you to leave it open for 10-12 replies and then lock it but it's up to you.
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You can "strongly request" all you like, but I don't think it's going to get you very far. Reporting this thread now
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hi, I've been experiencing a depleting battery issue. I used to be able to plug my phone to charge and it would be able to reach 100% within an hour or so (and that's with me texting or browsing internet) but now it seems like I've got to leave it on the charger for half the day for it to reach 30%. It also depletes super fast and will drop around 15% per minute. i noticed the battery issue started happening after I upgraded from 2.3 gingerbread to 4.1 jellybean. I'm a newb at this so forgive me. any advice?
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Get a new battery
First and foremost upgrading to jelly bean doesn't go for such consequences of battery degradation. And more over to have a better life, the first charge of new batteries is always recommended for 4-5 hours even if it gets 100% in 30 mins. And from then on it should be charged till it attains 100%. In your case, I think so that the battery has some problem.Replacing the battery may work out in resolving your problem.
I checked to see if it was a bad battery by switching out the old one with my husbands skyrocket battery, but there was no change. However, I managed to flash a new ROM with the little battery charge I had left and noticed a significant change in how much battery life was being held. i'm guessing that the old ROM had a role in eating up my battery life? Is that possible?
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Just some wakelocks
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"Just some wakelocks" isn't very helpful, unfortunately.
OP, there is some kind of issue involving active wakelocks. You need to use Better Battery Stats to isolate and reveal them. Without finding out what they are, a new battery may have the exact same result as the old one and you will get nowhere. While it is well known that the Skyrocket eats batteries on stock ROMs, they aren't nearly as bad as you are describing.
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"Just some wakelocks" isn't very helpful, unfortunately.
OP, there is some kind of issue involving active wakelocks. You need to use Better Battery Stats to isolate and reveal them. Without finding out what they are, a new battery may have the exact same result as the old one and you will get nowhere. While it is well known that the Skyrocket eats batteries on stock ROMs, they aren't nearly as bad as you are describing.
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We aren't trying to answer everything that's the point. We want the newer guys to learn how to search and think for themselves. Quit condescending everything the grizzled old farts here do, I've seen you a couple times act like we aren't doing enough. We've seen it all learned it all and answered it all now it's up to those who need it to find the info themselves. RULE #1 if you don't know what it is refer to rule #1.
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We aren't trying to answer everything that's the point. We want the newer guys to learn how to search and think for themselves. Quit condescending everything the grizzled old farts here do, I've seen you a couple times act like we aren't doing enough. We've seen it all learned it all and answered it all now it's up to those who need it to find the info themselves. RULE #1 if you don't know what it is refer to rule #1.
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I'm going to assume that the "you"referenced to is all users in general, since that post was either my first or second one. While I do understand the need for the user base to do their own research and educate themselves, the knowledge base will never expand if older, more experienced users do not attempt to guide the newer users in some fashion. You can continue to do whatever you like and let newer users founder if you must, but I, for one, will always help out if I can.
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I'm going to assume that the "you"referenced to is all users in general, since that post was either my first or second one. While I do understand the need for the user base to do their own research and educate themselves, the knowledge base will never expand if older, more experienced users do not attempt to guide the newer users in some fashion. You can continue to do whatever you like and let newer users founder if you must, but I, for one, will always help out if I can.
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It would expand if you didn't spoon feed people. They need to do there own research. We've already put all the information out there. People just keep getting more lazy.
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Domesttuner said:
I'm going to assume that the "you"referenced to is all users in general, since that post was either my first or second one. While I do understand the need for the user base to do their own research and educate themselves, the knowledge base will never expand if older, more experienced users do not attempt to guide the newer users in some fashion. You can continue to do whatever you like and let newer users founder if you must, but I, for one, will always help out if I can.
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The you was 100% in reference to you so I can guess you used your first posts poorly going after those who have put the info out. You may not understand it but in time our reasons will make sense as it has for so many others who persecuted us for our methods. This all goes back to rule #1 and teach a man to fish.
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so I think that the last couple of comments should now be moved to a different thread because they were mostly about doing the research/work just like the older members have done. call me a newb, but seems like the older members can't recall their own rules. POST YOUR COMMENTS IN THE APPROPRIATE THREAD.
and to those who did have the kindness and courtesy in helping to assist me, I thank you. I have done a bit of research, but because of lack of free time (due to being a mother of 2 and having a daily routine), it just seemed a bit easier to ask my question than to spend hours on end looking for what may or not be a solution.
with that said, I don't mean any disrespect to any members, new or old...thanks for the lesson!
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so I think that the last couple of comments should now be moved to a different thread because they were mostly about doing the research/work just like the older members have done. call me a newb, but seems like the older members can't recall their own rules. POST YOUR COMMENTS IN THE APPROPRIATE THREAD.
and to those who did have the kindness and courtesy in helping to assist me, I thank you. I have done a bit of research, but because of lack of free time (due to being a mother of 2 and having a daily routine), it just seemed a bit easier to ask my question than to spend hours on end looking for what may or not be a solution.
with that said, I don't mean any disrespect to any members, new or old...thanks for the lesson!
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This isn't a help desk ask any moderator. Rule number 1 is search the info exists you are obligated to search you aren't the only one working, raising kids, and whatever else most of us are but we make time to learn and research to better ourselves. If you can't be bothered to find the info there are other sites but this isn't it.
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This isn't a help desk ask any moderator. Rule number 1 is search the info exists you are obligated to search you aren't the only one working, raising kids, and whatever else most of us are but we make time to learn and research to better ourselves. If you can't be bothered to find the info there are other sites but this isn't it.
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See, that kind of attitude just isn't helpful. While the first rule may be search, there are better ways to go about addressing it than just basically calling a new person lazy and denigrating everyone. I know and understand where you and other older members are coming from, but it doesn't have to be done in a confrontational manner.
As far as my original quote of you, your claim that I have done this a couple of times and you seeing me do it is bunk, as I have only once said anything about not helping people out, aside from the responses given directly to you. My posts where not used poorly, as I feel that they were directly relating to the OP and were at least pointing in a direction that could be helpful. Most of the forums I have been on directly ban the instruction of people saying "Go search", as it isn't helpful. Perhaps the person searching didn't know how to phrase it well enough to find a relevant answer.
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See, that kind of attitude just isn't helpful. While the first rule may be search, there are better ways to go about addressing it than just basically calling a new person lazy and denigrating everyone. I know and understand where you and other older members are coming from, but it doesn't have to be done in a confrontational manner.
As far as my original quote of you, your claim that I have done this a couple of times and you seeing me do it is bunk, as I have only once said anything about not helping people out, aside from the responses given directly to you. My posts where not used poorly, as I feel that they were directly relating to the OP and were at least pointing in a direction that could be helpful. Most of the forums I have been on directly ban the instruction of people saying "Go search", as it isn't helpful. Perhaps the person searching didn't know how to phrase it well enough to find a relevant answer.
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On the forums I moderate, I ban lazy people and I promote searching.
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