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How Do I Get Wm 6.1?

Is WM 6.1 an official release or a cooked ROM? Either way, how do I get it?

6.1 are released, but our cooks have tweaked and added their own flavors. There are many on the forum
To get it, you download a rom for the Kaiser and you flash it.
But before doing that, I suggest you alot of reading. Not hours, but many here have read for days.

Just check at list first 2 Sticky on first page before asking .
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=378
I dont't want to be bed guy but it could happend that one not verry skilled member to answer to your question with a link to a WM 6.1 and if you just flash it you could brick your phone without HardSPL.

Ace78611 said:
Is WM 6.1 an official release or a cooked ROM? Either way, how do I get it?
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LOL, you're joking right?
So is reading a hard part of your life?

This is l-o-l.

alltheway said:
LOL, you're joking right?
So is reading a hard part of your life?
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no, hes not joking and we can just kindly refer him to the wiki

alltheway said:
LOL, you're joking right?
So is reading a hard part of your life?
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No, it is not. But XDA is not my entire life. I was actually very up to date with the upgrading over winter, when I could go on reading without other obligations. I admit I am not current with what is going on, but I understand flashing ROMs and Radios and have done so many times. However, being back in school, I have to prioritize. Being a respected (I have seen your good contributions elsewhere on the forum) senior member like yourself, I wonder why you continue to bash on newbies or people who ask questions that are trivial to you. The XDA community, in my opinion, is so popular because of its helpful members and the opportunity for anyone to learn.
So what if there are repeat questions. Didn't you ever learn that if you dont have anything good to say, dont say anything at all? It would be better for you to not reply and just move on vs bashing every newbie you can. And anyways, dont you have more productive things to do (aka a life outside of XDA)?

kwill said:
no, hes not joking and we can just kindly refer him to the wiki
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Thank you kwill for at least providing direction. You truly deserve the senior member title.

Ace78611 said:
No, it is not. But XDA is not my entire life. I was actually very up to date with the upgrading over winter, when I could go on reading without other obligations. I admit I am not current with what is going on, but I understand flashing ROMs and Radios and have done so many times. However, being back in school, I have to prioritize. Being a respected (I have seen your good contributions elsewhere on the forum) senior member like yourself, I wonder why you continue to bash on newbies or people who ask questions that are trivial to you. The XDA community, in my opinion, is so popular because of its helpful members and the opportunity for anyone to learn.
So what if there are repeat questions. Didn't you ever learn that if you don't have anything good to say, don't say anything at all? It would be better for you to not reply and just move on vs bashing every newbie you can. And anyways, don't you have more productive things to do (aka a life outside of XDA)?
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I agree with alltheway. Read, and search for answers. I typed your original question in Google and got 499,000 hits! I put two different variances of it in the forum search and got pages of threads. Don't make excuses about having a "life" and not using the fundamental tools at your disposal, cause we all have lives outside of the forum too. If you think every post should be positive then move to Utopia and ask n00bish questions there. The forum is here to help, but it's cluttered with ridiculous threads because everyone expects to be spoon fed information that's easily at their own disposal.

Ace78611 said:
No, it is not. But XDA is not my entire life. I was actually very up to date with the upgrading over winter, when I could go on reading without other obligations. I admit I am not current with what is going on, but I understand flashing ROMs and Radios and have done so many times. However, being back in school, I have to prioritize. Being a respected (I have seen your good contributions elsewhere on the forum) senior member like yourself, I wonder why you continue to bash on newbies or people who ask questions that are trivial to you. The XDA community, in my opinion, is so popular because of its helpful members and the opportunity for anyone to learn.
So what if there are repeat questions. Didn't you ever learn that if you dont have anything good to say, dont say anything at all? It would be better for you to not reply and just move on vs bashing every newbie you can. And anyways, dont you have more productive things to do (aka a life outside of XDA)?
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LOL. This makes me laugh.
Actually I do have a quite productive life outside of XDA. I don't know if you noticed the things at the top of the page that say stickies. Yeah those are meant there to be read first. The problem with this forum now is that nobody will take the time to do a little research. They want everything spoon feed to them. I understand you don't have much time being a student, believe me I was there once, but doing a search for about 10 minutes wouldn't hurt you. You could have easily found the result you were looking for by simply going to Google Advanced search and I guarantee this would have taken less than 10 minutes.
You say that you are familiar with flashing and radio's. Well you would have known this answer right from the start if you were even a little bit familiar with this process. How do I get WM6.1...Hmmm maybe look at the sticky that says WM6.1 ROM Links !!! Updated Daily!!!.
Austinsnyc has donated a lot of his time to publish this and keep it up to date so the forum in not inundated with ridiculous questions such as these.
Obviously a little more education wouldn't hurt you. READ and COMPREHEND!
...and since you are reading this I recommend that you check the 1st link in my signature...It's there just for the likes of you.

ronfin44 said:
I agree with alltheway. Read, and search for answers. I typed your original question in Google and got 499,000 hits! I put two different variances of it in the forum search and got pages of threads. Don't make excuses about having a "life" and not using the fundamental tools at your disposal, cause we all have lives outside of the forum too. If you think every post should be positive then move to Utopia and ask n00bish questions there. The forum is here to help, but it's cluttered with ridiculous threads because everyone expects to be spoon fed information that's easily at their own disposal.
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Well said

Ace78611 said:
Thank you kwill for at least providing direction. You truly deserve the senior member title.
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LOL...
do you hear a sucking sound?

Ace78611 said:
And anyways, dont you have more productive things to do (aka a life outside of XDA)?
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Sounds like someone is mad, when the guys are just trying to tell you to read, their just trying to save you some money for your Kaiser. I must say I often pay XDA a visit at least for 5 minutes every hour. Somehow, other members and myself can balance our life. I run my own company, the social life, and XDA very easily.
If you think you need to prioritize in while in school, I suggest a sidekick. I heard T-Mobile has a very nice sidekick that can direct link to myspace now.

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Sounds like someone is mad, when the guys are just trying to tell you to read, their just trying to save you some money for your Kaiser. I must say I often pay XDA a visit at least for 5 minutes every hour. Somehow, other members and myself can balance our life. I run my own company, the social life, and XDA very easily.
If you think you need to prioritize in while in school, I suggest a sidekick. I heard T-Mobile has a very nice sidekick that can direct link to myspace now.
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LOL. I also recommend a Razr for you. A pink one in that

LMAO man read the sticky.

Dude, read the stickies, they're there for a reason or do a simple search...If people started a new thread everytime they had a simple question, we would miss out on a lot of good info and good people on the forum.

Posting For Idiots. & Reading For Idiots.
Both very good books I hear.

does this forum just have no respect anymore, doesnt hurt to nudge him in the right direction and maybe criticise him for being too lazy to do the usual, no need to all gang up on him though, thats just bang out of order, i thought this community was here to help people.

AdamG said:
does this forum just have no respect anymore, doesnt hurt to nudge him in the right direction and maybe criticise him for being too lazy to do the usual, no need to all gang up on him though, thats just bang out of order, i thought this community was here to help people.
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I agree, it is here to help people, you are right. However, that being said, lately this forum has become inundated with an extremely large amount of people, no0b's and seniors alike, who dont feel the need to do a search or even read through the existing threads and stikies before they post. Most, as of late, even start a new thread. When is enough enough? I do answer as many questions as my time allows me for people needing answers that I don't remember seeing before or questions that have a tough answer to follow. But my God, the whole front page is covered with 6.1 roms, cooked and raw.

AdamG said:
i thought this community was here to help people.
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It is, with stickies.

ROM: Fastest Non-Buggiest ROM available?

I've spent countless hours going through the forums...

Out of all of the roms that I have tried I would claim eOS is the fastest non buggiest rom out there. It is very streamlined and fast, and I had 0 bugs when using it, if that is all that you are concerned with. It is lacking in some features by default, letting users personalize it as they wish.
Jason

How was responsiveness? Do you know if there are any benchmarks out there (I'm lazy, thought I'd ask for a direct link before looking it up...) for it?
Forgot to also ask; with any of the ROM's - which one's are most friendliest when it comes to adding new cabs? I guess my goal is utilize the processor and... add those things we all like to screw around with for a week or two and decide if its worth keeping. Usually in my case, if it causes my phone to freeze, it's off to the next choice...

hkjr said:
I've spent countless hours going through the forums and figured I'd ask. Please note, I'm asking not for your opinion, or what you're favorite ROM is, regardless what drives it or what extras are on it... I'm asking everyone for some facts - as of today, 12.13.2008, who has the fastest, non-buggiest ROM around? ROM's are buried everywhere and some include benchmarks, others don't. I'm on AT&T and a,s of last night, went back to the OEM 6.1 ROM.
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There is no way to have software and not have bugs. NOTHING is going to perform EXACTLY as you want it to right out of the box.
To see what everyone WOULD respond to your message with if they wanted to - look at their signature - why would they use it if they thought it was buggy or bad?
You are going to have to configure your phone no matter what. You will get (if the mods let this thread stay open) many opinions (just like the zillions of other threads that ask this question) from people who have not gotten tired of answering it.
The only way to find out what you like and what is non-buggy in your opinon you are actually going to have to download and try each of the ROM's.
Sorry - I wish it were simpler than that - but it isn't.
Two posts and you have already violated a rule this is not going to go well obiwan!
The rule:
If you post a redundant thread, SPAM, flame or violate any rules. Your thread will be closed or deleted without warning. Useless threads like those that address an issue such as "Which ROM is the best," "Kaiser vs iPhone," or "Kaiser Killer" will be closed. You could also be banned for violating the rules.
To find a list of the rules:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/announcement.php?f=378
You state you have read a lot - I believe you - there is a lot to read. But - you are going to need to read even more to make yourself happy I am afraid.

Thanks for the input - that's why I was/am looking for stat's/results/screen shots of benchmarks, etc - just the facts.

The best way to find the answer to your question is to read the rom's threats, put the doubts about the rom's there and flashed then.
And you'll be a flash addicted like me.

This one screams...its the fastest one I have found yet......and the memory...oh the memory available is the best yet too. Give his one a try.

hkjr said:
I've spent countless hours going through the forums...
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if u have spent countless hours reading the forums you should know that you should not be starting new threads, filling up our forum with questions like this!

gregaplummer said:
This one screams...its the fastest one I have found yet......and the memory...oh the memory available is the best yet too. Give his one a try.
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When you say "this one" to which one are you referring too....

As posted in countless other places, all "best rom" threads will be closed.

Please stop complaining!

This is just a general message to those using roms made by developers here on xda.
Stop F-ING complaining. You are paying absolutely nothing for some really cool stuff for your phone. These guys put in hours and hours of work and share it for FREE!!
Enjoy their work... Thank them... Buy them a few beers... And if you don't like what they're doing go somewhere else!!!

dfox007 said:
This is just a general message to those using roms made by developers here on xda.
Stop F-ING complaining. You are paying absolutely nothing for some really cool stuff for your phone. These guys put in hours and hours of work and share it for FREE!!
Enjoy their work... Thank them... Buy them a few beers... And if you don't like what they're doing go somewhere else!!!
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I hope they all get this message man
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I agree. These guys put their phones on the lines to bring us these roms. At the least say thanks
das BAMF sense 3.0 rocking the bolt

no valid point everyone
yea its ok to post bugs and problems etc thats important because it helps the creators fix problems, but don't complain that everyone sucks and the devs suck, because guess what, these people have jobs, life's, and do this stuff for fun and in no way are these roms going to be 100 percent perfect every time, not even stock TB that came from HTC was perfect.

dfox007 said:
This is just a general message to those using roms made by developers here on xda.
Stop F-ING complaining. You are paying absolutely nothing for some really cool stuff for your phone. These guys put in hours and hours of work and share it for FREE!!
Enjoy their work... Thank them... Buy them a few beers... And if you don't like what they're doing go somewhere else!!!
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Couldn't agree with you more! If you have issues with a ROM that make it "suck" switch ROMs or learn how to develop and make your own ROM.

The worst is all the people *****ing in the CM7 thread.

what's with all these stupid threads lately...it's like the days of our lives around here
i miss the days when threads were only technical in nature...

Old MuckenMire said:
what's with all these stupid threads lately...it's like the days of our lives around here
i miss the days when threads were only technical in nature...
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Then don't read the GENERAL forum. If you want threads of a technical nature stick to the DEVELOPMENT forum, it's not a hard concept...It's a bit ironic that you are calling other peoples threads "stupid"..

Well said.

I would like to lodge a complaint about people complaining.

I'm grateful for the work the dev,s do as i don't know crap about any of this.
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Dnakaman said:
I would like to lodge a complaint about people complaining.
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*golf clap*

turbosrrgood said:
Then don't read the GENERAL forum. If you want threads of a technical nature stick to the DEVELOPMENT forum, it's not a hard concept...It's a bit ironic that you are calling other peoples threads "stupid"..
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Actually there are plenty of ways to have technical questions that have zero reason to be in the Dev subforum. Yet conversely there are always plenty of posts in General that are people having some issue and who are on a custom ROM.

New to android... here I thought only the blackberry people *****ed!

turbosrrgood said:
..It's a bit ironic that you are calling other peoples threads "stupid"..
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Man, you're not complaining that I called this thread stupid, are you? Now THAT'S irony...

I agree. How can you complain about something that's free, and is also take it or leave it. I give kudos to the developers for all the time they put into the builds, and then maintaining them.

dondk said:
New to android... here I thought only the blackberry people *****ed!
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Now, that's funny!

I noticed a lot of this behavior as of late. Imo, I think the devs should make the rooting process harder. Keep the children at bay so to speak.
I see it time and again, people asking questions that have clearly been answered in the OP or within the last few pages of a thread. They take no time to research anything. Most complain that the search utility is crap so why even try. I've never had problems with the search utility. It may not be the most robust tool but it works if you take the time to use it.
The demanding and complaining within threads has reached levels I haven't seen before on XDA. People need to remember that the devs write this stuff in their spare time. They are not obligated to do anything for you. You can make a request but that doesn't mean they will even consider it. There was a day when devs specifically put in the OP "This is my rom, you can make requests but I make this for me, take it as it is. Im just sharing witht he rest of you." But people have come to a point where they expect the devs to listen and do what they suggest.
In rooting your phone, you are voiding your warranty and taking extreme risks with your $500 Thunderbolt. In taking these risks it is assumed that you are a responsible person. Complaining about things or asking questions about things that have been clearly posted is not acting in a manner of a responsible person. Read fully before even starting the rooting process.
Just my opinion of course. But level of maturity on XDA has dipped to a level that is utterly absurd at times.

Carnage9270 said:
I noticed a lot of this behavior as of late. Imo, I think the devs should make the rooting process harder. Keep the children at bay so to speak.
I see it time and again, people asking questions that have clearly been answered in the OP or within the last few pages of a thread. They take no time to research anything. Most complain that the search utility is crap so why even try. I've never had problems with the search utility. It may not be the most robust tool but it works if you take the time to use it.
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I agree about not having an easy way to root, and to some extent I agree about researching. I don't agree that this site has a functional search tool, when I search for something it brings up tons of unrelated stuff and if I add a little more to the search criteria to narrow the results it then says there's nothing matching my search, this is with both searching for threads and searching post within a thread. I was searching for something the other day and the post results didn't include any of the words I put into the search box. I do think people should look for an answer first but when there's 200 pages to go though it can take forever to find a simple answer, I think a faq post after the original post would work wonders for devs, then a lot of unnecessary post would be avoided but of course there will still be some people that are to lazy to skin through faq's.

A Purely Informational Poll Of Samsung Captivate 2.3.x Rom Usage. Cast Your Vote!

Hello Community,
This is mostly for my informational purposes, but id really appreciate it if everyone would cast their vote as to which rom they are on currently. This can also serve in the short term as an informational compass to point new users twards a rom to try out. All votes in the polls are appreciated!
Thanks,
HaiKaiDo

Nevermind...

Dude, give it up. Whether you like it or not, the forum management do NOT like these kinds of posts that put the work of developers into a popularity contest. And leaving out Andromeda, one of the most popular ROMs in here, just makes the poll look silly.

Miami_Son said:
Dude, give it up. Whether you like it or not, the forum management do NOT like these kinds of posts that put the work of developers into a popularity contest. And leaving out Andromeda, one of the most popular ROMs in here, just makes the poll look silly.
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I was asked by the forums mod to repost this and that he was going to lock it and sticky it so that posts like this would no longer happen and people would be able to vote without flaming. Also Apex and Andromeda will be added.

Dude you look silly
I do not see anything wrong with a thread like this. Maybe it can prevent some additional threads about what rom is best for me.
And by the way, screw you for not including asop roms, my vote is miui. (just kidding on the screw you, kinda)
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HaiKaiDo said:
Hello Community,
This is mostly for my informational purposes, but id really appreciate it if everyone would cast their vote as to which rom they are on currently. This can also serve in the short term as an informational compass to point new users twards a rom to try out. All votes in the polls are appreciated!
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That verbiage right there makes this little more than a popularity contest. New users should be reading up on any ROM they want to try, not making decisions based on the number of people using a particular ROM. The power users are switching ROMs pretty regularly, some on a daily basis, so how should they vote in this poll? The only way anyone interested in modding their phone with a custom ROM will get the info they need is to READ THE FORUM and invest the time to know what they're doing. They will only run into problems if they simply look at a thread like this, pick the one with the most votes and go at it. That's the natural tendency of humans and it goes against the grain of what users in here should be doing. There are no shortcuts.

Miami_Son said:
That verbiage right there makes this little more than a popularity contest. New users should be reading up on any ROM they want to try, not making decisions based on the number of people using a particular ROM. The power users are switching ROMs pretty regularly, some on a daily basis, so how should they vote in this poll? The only way anyone interested in modding their phone with a custom ROM will get the info they need is to READ THE FORUM and invest the time to know what they're doing. They will only run into problems if they simply look at a thread like this, pick the one with the most votes and go at it. That's the natural tendency of humans and it goes against the grain of what users in here should be doing. There are no shortcuts.
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+1 Some people never learn.
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Well since I have the support of a moderator and all the other people that havnt decided to take everything ive said in this thread and twist it and blow it WAY out of proportion, im gonna have to go with...If you dont like it, dont post here :]

Nanny, nanny, boo boo to you, too.

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Nanny, nanny, boo boo to you, too.
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come on man seriously , no need to stay here and set fire to my thread AGAIN. For whatever reason the mod that said he was going to lock this and sticky it has disapeared for the moment, but i suppose when he gets back all these posts will be deleted and the OP can be used to exactly what it was intended. Just a collection of data, not a popularity contest, not a noob guide to tell them what rom to install. Its just a small collection of data to see what the community is upto.

I didn't post a thing in your last thread, so don't blame me for that one being closed. The reality is that your poll is flawed simply because you limited it to only 2.3.x ROMs. That will not give a clear picture of what ROMs are being used since it omits some very fine 2.2 ROMs like Andromeda and the many users still on stock Froyo and Eclair. That renders it pretty useless as far as a statistical analysis and dangerous as it might convince some to jump to a Gingerbread ROM before they know what the consequences might be. Don't we have enough people in here with bricks and flashing problems? Why contribute to it?

just move on and don't vote
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At work, will respond to this properly when I can.
Sent From My Fingers To Your Face.....

Okay lets clear this up....
I DID tell the OP to repost this thread.
Heres why.....
I agree with the rest of you that "best" rom threads are pointless and often offensive. I do not allow "best" rom threads in any of the sections I moderate.
However, this thread was not supposed to be about whats "best".
The intention was to set the poll, stick the thread and close it to prevent the usual barrage of venom and verbal diarrhea that goes with the aforementioned "best" rom threads.
I for one am curious as to how the userbase of a particular device is split between the various roms on offer and I think its a shame that there is no way to utilise the poll option to asess this.
I spoke to the OP about this and it was clear to me that he did not want to encourage discussion about whats "best", just collect the numbers out of curiousity so I agreed to give this a go....
As it stands, its not possible to close a thread and leave the poll open so it looks like we'll never know.

bad battery issue?

hi, I've been experiencing a depleting battery issue. I used to be able to plug my phone to charge and it would be able to reach 100% within an hour or so (and that's with me texting or browsing internet) but now it seems like I've got to leave it on the charger for half the day for it to reach 30%. It also depletes super fast and will drop around 15% per minute. i noticed the battery issue started happening after I upgraded from 2.3 gingerbread to 4.1 jellybean. I'm a newb at this so forgive me. any advice?
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Get a new battery

First and foremost upgrading to jelly bean doesn't go for such consequences of battery degradation. And more over to have a better life, the first charge of new batteries is always recommended for 4-5 hours even if it gets 100% in 30 mins. And from then on it should be charged till it attains 100%. In your case, I think so that the battery has some problem.Replacing the battery may work out in resolving your problem.

I checked to see if it was a bad battery by switching out the old one with my husbands skyrocket battery, but there was no change. However, I managed to flash a new ROM with the little battery charge I had left and noticed a significant change in how much battery life was being held. i'm guessing that the old ROM had a role in eating up my battery life? Is that possible?
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Just some wakelocks
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"Just some wakelocks" isn't very helpful, unfortunately.
OP, there is some kind of issue involving active wakelocks. You need to use Better Battery Stats to isolate and reveal them. Without finding out what they are, a new battery may have the exact same result as the old one and you will get nowhere. While it is well known that the Skyrocket eats batteries on stock ROMs, they aren't nearly as bad as you are describing.

Domesttuner said:
"Just some wakelocks" isn't very helpful, unfortunately.
OP, there is some kind of issue involving active wakelocks. You need to use Better Battery Stats to isolate and reveal them. Without finding out what they are, a new battery may have the exact same result as the old one and you will get nowhere. While it is well known that the Skyrocket eats batteries on stock ROMs, they aren't nearly as bad as you are describing.
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We aren't trying to answer everything that's the point. We want the newer guys to learn how to search and think for themselves. Quit condescending everything the grizzled old farts here do, I've seen you a couple times act like we aren't doing enough. We've seen it all learned it all and answered it all now it's up to those who need it to find the info themselves. RULE #1 if you don't know what it is refer to rule #1.
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We aren't trying to answer everything that's the point. We want the newer guys to learn how to search and think for themselves. Quit condescending everything the grizzled old farts here do, I've seen you a couple times act like we aren't doing enough. We've seen it all learned it all and answered it all now it's up to those who need it to find the info themselves. RULE #1 if you don't know what it is refer to rule #1.
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I'm going to assume that the "you"referenced to is all users in general, since that post was either my first or second one. While I do understand the need for the user base to do their own research and educate themselves, the knowledge base will never expand if older, more experienced users do not attempt to guide the newer users in some fashion. You can continue to do whatever you like and let newer users founder if you must, but I, for one, will always help out if I can.

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I'm going to assume that the "you"referenced to is all users in general, since that post was either my first or second one. While I do understand the need for the user base to do their own research and educate themselves, the knowledge base will never expand if older, more experienced users do not attempt to guide the newer users in some fashion. You can continue to do whatever you like and let newer users founder if you must, but I, for one, will always help out if I can.
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It would expand if you didn't spoon feed people. They need to do there own research. We've already put all the information out there. People just keep getting more lazy.
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Domesttuner said:
I'm going to assume that the "you"referenced to is all users in general, since that post was either my first or second one. While I do understand the need for the user base to do their own research and educate themselves, the knowledge base will never expand if older, more experienced users do not attempt to guide the newer users in some fashion. You can continue to do whatever you like and let newer users founder if you must, but I, for one, will always help out if I can.
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The you was 100% in reference to you so I can guess you used your first posts poorly going after those who have put the info out. You may not understand it but in time our reasons will make sense as it has for so many others who persecuted us for our methods. This all goes back to rule #1 and teach a man to fish.
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so I think that the last couple of comments should now be moved to a different thread because they were mostly about doing the research/work just like the older members have done. call me a newb, but seems like the older members can't recall their own rules. POST YOUR COMMENTS IN THE APPROPRIATE THREAD.
and to those who did have the kindness and courtesy in helping to assist me, I thank you. I have done a bit of research, but because of lack of free time (due to being a mother of 2 and having a daily routine), it just seemed a bit easier to ask my question than to spend hours on end looking for what may or not be a solution.
with that said, I don't mean any disrespect to any members, new or old...thanks for the lesson!
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xenelym said:
so I think that the last couple of comments should now be moved to a different thread because they were mostly about doing the research/work just like the older members have done. call me a newb, but seems like the older members can't recall their own rules. POST YOUR COMMENTS IN THE APPROPRIATE THREAD.
and to those who did have the kindness and courtesy in helping to assist me, I thank you. I have done a bit of research, but because of lack of free time (due to being a mother of 2 and having a daily routine), it just seemed a bit easier to ask my question than to spend hours on end looking for what may or not be a solution.
with that said, I don't mean any disrespect to any members, new or old...thanks for the lesson!
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This isn't a help desk ask any moderator. Rule number 1 is search the info exists you are obligated to search you aren't the only one working, raising kids, and whatever else most of us are but we make time to learn and research to better ourselves. If you can't be bothered to find the info there are other sites but this isn't it.
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This isn't a help desk ask any moderator. Rule number 1 is search the info exists you are obligated to search you aren't the only one working, raising kids, and whatever else most of us are but we make time to learn and research to better ourselves. If you can't be bothered to find the info there are other sites but this isn't it.
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See, that kind of attitude just isn't helpful. While the first rule may be search, there are better ways to go about addressing it than just basically calling a new person lazy and denigrating everyone. I know and understand where you and other older members are coming from, but it doesn't have to be done in a confrontational manner.
As far as my original quote of you, your claim that I have done this a couple of times and you seeing me do it is bunk, as I have only once said anything about not helping people out, aside from the responses given directly to you. My posts where not used poorly, as I feel that they were directly relating to the OP and were at least pointing in a direction that could be helpful. Most of the forums I have been on directly ban the instruction of people saying "Go search", as it isn't helpful. Perhaps the person searching didn't know how to phrase it well enough to find a relevant answer.

Domesttuner said:
See, that kind of attitude just isn't helpful. While the first rule may be search, there are better ways to go about addressing it than just basically calling a new person lazy and denigrating everyone. I know and understand where you and other older members are coming from, but it doesn't have to be done in a confrontational manner.
As far as my original quote of you, your claim that I have done this a couple of times and you seeing me do it is bunk, as I have only once said anything about not helping people out, aside from the responses given directly to you. My posts where not used poorly, as I feel that they were directly relating to the OP and were at least pointing in a direction that could be helpful. Most of the forums I have been on directly ban the instruction of people saying "Go search", as it isn't helpful. Perhaps the person searching didn't know how to phrase it well enough to find a relevant answer.
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On the forums I moderate, I ban lazy people and I promote searching.
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