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Why isn't there more angst about T-Mobile US releasing our version of the Sensation update?
Forums for other phones I've had would be exploding long before now that TMO is awful in all sorts of ways.
Has everyone just given up? Any idea of our prospects? Or have I missed something obvious?
samnada said:
Why isn't there more angst about T-Mobile US releasing our version of the Sensation update?
Forums for other phones I've had would be exploding long before now that TMO is awful in all sorts of ways.
Has everyone just given up? Any idea of our prospects? Or have I missed something obvious?
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Personally I don't want to see ANY TMOUS OTA. I doubt it would give us S-OFF which is want I want to see first. I think most of us are waiting on developer S-OFF and then developer ROMs/kernels/radios and could care less about carrier OTA.
digiholic said:
Personally I don't want to see ANY TMOUS OTA. I doubt it would give us S-OFF which is want I want to see first. I think most of us are waiting on developer S-OFF and then developer ROMs/kernels/radios and could care less about carrier OTA.
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an OTA could ruin your chances at using a developer S-off method
I think it's awesome that there aren't seeing more threads about "when are we gonna get our update in the us....waaaahhhh"
It does nothing for us actually getting one, and as the above posters stated, it would probably leave us worse off. Although, those threads we aren't seeing, have pretty much been replaced by "s-off threads" so there's really been npthing gained
digiholic said:
Personally I don't want to see ANY TMOUS OTA. I doubt it would give us S-OFF which is want I want to see first. I think most of us are waiting on developer S-OFF and then developer ROMs/kernels/radios and could care less about carrier OTA.
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Yeah, I'm not in that group. I don't need another hobby. Besides, HTC is unlocking the phone soon. But I get your point, which I'd overlooked, that most here are only waiting on the devs, not HTC or TMO. Thanks.
I agree... I just want S-off .... no tmobile ota is needed for me.
swellthekitty said:
I think it's awesome that there aren't seeing more threads about "when are we gonna get our update in the us....waaaahhhh"
It does nothing for us actually getting one, and as the above posters stated, it would probably leave us worse off. Although, those threads we aren't seeing, have pretty much been replaced by "s-off threads" so there's really been npthing gained
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Actually the "outrage" did prompt TMO to push out a Vibrant Froyo update sooner, and they said they would do better. So I think posting can have an impact, but I see why it's not a high priority around here at this point.
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I think it's awesome that there aren't seeing more threads about "when are we gonna get our update in the us....waaaahhhh"
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Agreed. And us veterans know we wouldn't take the update anyway.
I'll take an update for bug fixes and speed improvements in a heartbeat. I don't know what you guys are smoking, but I don't want any of it. If we had root and s-off then my song would be a little different, but the sad truth is that we don't. Plus, as I've said before this device is pretty awesome for a non-rooted device. Just make sense run a little snappier like the evo3d and I'm a happy panda.
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I'll take an update for bug fixes and speed improvements in a heartbeat. I don't know what you guys are smoking, but I don't want any of it. If we had root and s-off then my song would be a little different, but the sad truth is that we don't. Plus, as I've said before this device is pretty awesome for a non-rooted device. Just make sense run a little snappier like the evo3d and I'm a happy panda.
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It's not that we wouldn't want bug fixes, it's that there have been a number of other devices that lost their root and s-off exploits from OTAs. For me, it's just not worth the risk when those bug fixes will be available later via custom ROMs.
in my past experience t-mobile is notoriously bad with ota's ( my previouly phones were the g1 and the mytouch 3g and, had a vibrant for like a month then solid it. ) so i pretty much given up ota with tmobile
Because not everyone likes to whine, and almost everyone doesn't like seeing other people whine.
I'm hoping if there is an OTA, it will enable video-chat on gtalk, the nexus S has this and I thought all gingerbread devices should be able to.
Ndokami said:
in my past experience t-mobile is notoriously bad with ota's ( my previouly phones were the g1 and the mytouch 3g and, had a vibrant for like a month then solid it. ) so i pretty much given up ota with tmobile
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Might be true. I'm new to tmo, but from what I've read and seen, they're not half as bad as att. They sucked when it change to updates, which weren't even ota, had to dl a program and update via home pc.
I couldn't care less. Don't need an OTA. Phone is solid stock. I just want S-Off.
Solid stock? Only of you dont have touchscreen issues. And i cant believe all of you guys dont have it... My 5th sensation will be here tomorrow, 1st 4 had the touchscreen issue. An OTA for touchscreen issues is very very very important. This phone has a ton of bugs.. my experience is the dev community doesn't normally fix the type of issues the sensation has. Who the ef cares if they have an s-off phone if you have to press 14 times for a 7 digit number.. Or cant scroll contacts or home screens with out opening whatever you touch 1st during the swipe. Completely unacceptable. I guess thats why they dont mind replacing my phone every week.... Since thats how long it normally takes for the touchscreen to ef up. I didnt pay etf at sprint to leave the evo for a supposedly way better phone that is slower than the evo once the touchscreen takes a poop. S-off is coming, we know this, HTC says so. Bug fixes are more important to me, we need an OTA like last month!
I'm waiting on an XDA OTA update to really fix this bad boy
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I'm hoping if there is an OTA, it will enable video-chat on gtalk, the nexus S has this and I thought all gingerbread devices should be able to.
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Good luck with that LOL the new MyTouch 4G Slide has 2.3.4 and still isn't compatible with gtalk video... so blah
nugzo said:
Solid stock? Only of you dont have touchscreen issues. And i cant believe all of you guys dont have it... My 5th sensation will be here tomorrow, 1st 4 had the touchscreen issue. An OTA for touchscreen issues is very very very important. This phone has a ton of bugs.. my experience is the dev community doesn't normally fix the type of issues the sensation has. Who the ef cares if they have an s-off phone if you have to press 14 times for a 7 digit number.. Or cant scroll contacts or home screens with out opening whatever you touch 1st during the swipe. Completely unacceptable. I guess thats why they dont mind replacing my phone every week.... Since thats how long it normally takes for the touchscreen to ef up. I didnt pay etf at sprint to leave the evo for a supposedly way better phone that is slower than the evo once the touchscreen takes a poop. S-off is coming, we know this, HTC says so. Bug fixes are more important to me, we need an OTA like last month!
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Still don't understand these touchscreen issues. I've had mine since 2 days after launch and zero problems. I wish I could see it first hand.
Sdobron said:
Still don't understand these touchscreen issues. I've had mine since 2 days after launch and zero problems. I wish I could see it first hand.
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Also had mine since launch with no touchscreen issues.
I just bought a Nexus S, bought via Fido account but I SIM it to Rogers Canada. I have the voice search popup bug and I thought there was an OTA update for this. I'm still on 2.3.4. Does it just take time or does the carrier make any difference at all? I'm stock except for root.
3rdcoast said:
I just bought a Nexus S, bought via Fido account but I SIM it to Rogers Canada. I have the voice search popup bug and I thought there was an OTA update for this. I'm still on 2.3.4. Does it just take time or does the carrier make any difference at all? I'm stock except for root.
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It takes time. The OTA will likely roll out over a few weeks. Once your imei is flagged you'll get the ota when the device checks in again.
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you could try a manual check in or installing the update manually.
dial *#*#2432546#*#* to do a manual check in (didn't work for me, but give it a try anyways)
edit: follow this thread to update manually --> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1056062
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you could try a manual check in or installing the update manually.
dial *#*#2432546#*#* to do a manual check in (didn't work for me, but give it a try anyways)
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That has never worked for me. Does it actually work for anyone?
Thanks folks. I'll wait a few days before looking at a manual update. Or until the bug happens too often. It rather freaked me out at first and then I found that this is a common bug on certain versions of the phone.
The "search button firing on its own" bug is NOT fixed in the latest OTA
http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Google+Mobile/thread?tid=49e8ca84071d51a4&hl=en
I still have it and so do half a dozen or more people in the thread that got this whole thing started.
I know "Voice Search" bug has already penetrated the blogosphere ecochamber, and it is therefore useless for me to continue to correct people on semantics, but the Voice Search app just happens to be tied to a long-press of the search button so occasionally it pops up when this bug occurs. If "compose new text message" is tied to that event, you will see it and not Voice Search.. its the hardware search button that fires in low 3G areas that is the bug. Voice Search the app is completely unrelated other than most people have it tied to long-press of the hardware search button... ok, off my soap box
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That has never worked for me. Does it actually work for anyone?
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I have no idea lol. I just figured the op could see if it works for him.
like I said, I'm not going to force an update, if I wanted it that bad I'll flash it from recovery. Now that I know what this is about I see that the update doesn't fix the problem anyway so why update? It will likely just cause more trouble. Turning off data is a crappy work around. I'll give it just enough time to get fixed by google where I can still take this back and then never look at a Samsung ever again. That's what I said about the SGS but I got the N on a direct swap so I tried it and am already disappointed.
hoponpop said:
you could try a manual check in or installing the update manually.
dial *#*#2432546#*#* to do a manual check in (didn't work for me, but give it a try anyways)
edit: follow this thread to update manually --> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1056062
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I've used this successfully. It's how I got 2.3.6 on Friday morning and got the link to post in the forums
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3rdcoast said:
like I said, I'm not going to force an update, if I wanted it that bad I'll flash it from recovery. Now that I know what this is about I see that the update doesn't fix the problem anyway so why update? It will likely just cause more trouble. Turning off data is a crappy work around. I'll give it just enough time to get fixed by google where I can still take this back and then never look at a Samsung ever again. That's what I said about the SGS but I got the N on a direct swap so I tried it and am already disappointed.
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Ok, there is an update and yes it takes time for every IMEI to be loaded into Google's system for dispatch.
Your options are:
1. Force update by using checkin and hope it works
2. Flash the update that's floating around this forum
Why update? Well, I have read the huge thread on google about the voice search bug and ... wait for it ... this OTA doesn't address it.
So, I wouldn't lose any sleep over it. It breaks tethering anyway.
By the way, although Samsung manufactured the hardware, as you know, it's purely managed by google. So if you have a beef, take it up with google, not Samsung. I've owned the SGSII and hated it. Returned to the Nexus S in a flash. It's so much better, IMO.
Phones are a very personal thing. If you have a hate for Samsung and the Nexus S is roped into that hate, 2.3.6 will do nothing for you. I'd recommend leaving Sammy for good and seek happiness elsewhere (where there are also issues and bugs...no phone is perfect).
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Ok, there is an update and yes it takes time for every IMEI to be loaded into Google's system for dispatch.
Your options are:
1. Force update by using checkin and hope it works
2. Flash the update that's floating around this forum
Why update? Well, I have read the huge thread on google about the voice search bug and ... wait for it ... this OTA doesn't address it.
So, I wouldn't lose any sleep over it. It breaks tethering anyway.
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Then there is no reason to force an update. Not one. In fact it breaks more than it fixes. 12 more days of this and it goes back. I'm not going to go with the manufacturer route and I know that Google won't talk to me about it.
100 pages of the same issue in one post with many of them being told they are the first to report it tells me all I need to know.
By the way, although Samsung manufactured the hardware, as you know, it's purely managed by google. So if you have a beef, take it up with google, not Samsung. I've owned the SGSII and hated it. Returned to the Nexus S in a flash. It's so much better, IMO.
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I'm pissed at Google for sure but Sammy isn't off the hook yet. Why the same code doesn't do this on other phones and also seems to infect Canadian phones more than others says to me there is more to this than just Google code. The original SGS was a disaster until they finally replaced the pb and I flashed it properly. Now it is fine but thought I would have a better time with the N. Three times back for warranty is a bad track record. And this one might be making a trip back too.
Phones are a very personal thing. If you have a hate for Samsung and the Nexus S is roped into that hate, 2.3.6 will do nothing for you. I'd recommend leaving Sammy for good and seek happiness elsewhere (where there are also issues and bugs...no phone is perfect).
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yep, my personal opinion is that Samsung has too many issues to make up for what it does do well. And google has zero customer service, this isn't the only issue I have that the robot alone will never fix.
Anyway, I'm done with this topic. I'll wait to see if a definitive fix comes or not.
Fair enough, but I still don't understand your beef with not receiving the 2.3.6 OTA instantaneously. It takes days to roll out to every Nexus S in the world.
I'm just not sure why you are all upset that it didn't arrive the moment it hit the news. Can't you just wait a few days (less than 12 for sure) and install when it's pushed to you?
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Fair enough, but I still don't understand your beef with not receiving the 2.3.6 OTA instantaneously. It takes days to roll out to every Nexus S in the world.
I'm just not sure why you are all upset that it didn't arrive the moment it hit the news. Can't you just wait a few days (less than 12 for sure) and install when it's pushed to you?
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whoa there sparky. I haven't complained one bit about an OTA being slow. Not one word. I asked about OTA and if it takes time to roll out. Actually I wasn't even terribly upset about the bug until I read that the updates won't fix it and I might be waiting a very long time. That thread that I've now found started in May.
Yes I can wait a few days but I expect to wait months like I did for the SGS to be fixed. THEN I'll be pissed off or rather I won't because I won't have the thing if it takes THAt long. A few days I can deal with.
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whoa there sparky. I haven't complained one bit about an OTA being slow. Not one word. I asked about OTA and if it takes time to roll out. Actually I wasn't even terribly upset about the bug until I read that the updates won't fix it and I might be waiting a very long time. That thread that I've now found started in May.
Yes I can wait a few days but I expect to wait months like I did for the SGS to be fixed. THEN I'll be pissed off or rather I won't because I won't have the thing if it takes THAt long. A few days I can deal with.
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Sparky? No need to go there kiddo.
Anyway, I have bad news for you. 2.3.6 doesn't fix the voice search bug.
http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Google+Mobile/thread?tid=49e8ca84071d51a4&hl=en
By the way, it's a google managed phone, so you will get 2.3.6 soon. It's not like Samsung grabs the release, adds bloatware and jacks up the rom like they do with their managed phones (i.e. Galaxy S).
Any other Android phone you leave for the Nexus S will mean loooong wait times for official releases.
Good luck in your journey.
I thought you read the thread, it isn't very long. Others have said and I repeated the big news about 2.3.6 not fixing the problem and causing tethering issues and who knows what else. That's why the OTA is a moot point. I won't be flashing it anyway as it turns out. So I'll go wherever I want including buying phones like I've always done which means root and rom, I know all about carrier's and manufacturer's history. The N is looking like the same deal.
Now I'm really done. No need for a reply. goodnight.
I'll reply anyway and you will read it anyway.
I'm not sure what your purpose of this thread was. Yes I read it.
You asked if it takes time to receive the update. Many answered yes.
You then said you would wait a few days (posted today) and if it wasn't OTA'd, you'd go download it.
You then said you won't force an update and if you wanted it that bad you'd flash recovery.
You then expressed your disappointment with the Nexus S.
You mentioned your frustrations with a completely different Samsung phone, the Galaxy S (not the Nexus S).
You then said Samsung has too many issues to make up for anything it does well.
You then called out Google for having zero customer service and stated you will wait to see if there is a definitive fix for your issue.
Lastly, you said the OTA and flashing the ROM is a moot point and went to bed.
When I put all of this into a calculator, the result that's spat out is:
Get an iPhone. Android isn't for you.
(outside of this and re-reading your posts, I have no idea what you want out of this thread)
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(outside of this and re-reading your posts, I have no idea what you want out of this thread)
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i'll read that much. now stfu, you aren't helping.
iphone, that's funny
Folks,
There's been no word, no dates given or leaked about the ICS update we're supposed to be receiving. Samsung has said we're supposed to get the update, but T-Mobile has been quiet. Hell, Samsung just announced that the GS2 will be getting JB and they've been working on it. I don't know how well that translates to the T-Mobile variant of the GS2, but it's still something. All we need is a kernel and some camera drivers. Hell, we could probably get away without the camera drivers and mangle the old ones using a compatibility HAL..
It is starting to feel like T-Mobile is simply going to forget the blaze. I mean, they released an update already, why would they hurry on to the next update...
I think if we're going to get something for nothing, we'll have to make noise about it. Same way we got this forum. I think it's going to take bugging t-mobile on the forums and on their support lines. You people on contract have it worse. You bought a really powerful phone in the presence of ICS, some of you after the promise that it would receive the update. T-Mobile wouldn't suffer penalties if they didn't push it, but I imagine they'll respond to some social pressure enough not to simply forget the update.
Hell, it'd be nice if we could even just get a date.
I agree with you. At this point I'd be happy with some sort of update from Samsung/T-Mobile. Even if they just said "we're still working on it" and gave no ETA at least we'd know they hadn't forgotten about it.
If the Blaze Q whatever the hell they've decided to call it launches here in a few weeks with ICS and we still don't get the software I will be ticked.
If push comes to shove and they don't release it can the devs port it or JB from another galaxy phone?
Correct me if I'm wrong but my understating is that it can but would take a lot of work and all are holding off since ICS is supposed to be dropping at anytime. No sense in going thru all that work only to have an official release dropped on us.
Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S Blaze.
Lol bugging xda mods for a forum is NOT the same a bugging T-Mobile for eta.
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dr4stic said:
Folks,
There's been no word, no dates given or leaked about the ICS update we're supposed to be receiving. Samsung has said we're supposed to get the update, but T-Mobile has been quiet. Hell, Samsung just announced that the GS2 will be getting JB and they've been working on it. I don't know how well that translates to the T-Mobile variant of the GS2, but it's still something. All we need is a kernel and some camera drivers. Hell, we could probably get away without the camera drivers and mangle the old ones using a compatibility HAL..
It is starting to feel like T-Mobile is simply going to forget the blaze. I mean, they released an update already, why would they hurry on to the next update...
I think if we're going to get something for nothing, we'll have to make noise about it. Same way we got this forum. I think it's going to take bugging t-mobile on the forums and on their support lines. You people on contract have it worse. You bought a really powerful phone in the presence of ICS, some of you after the promise that it would receive the update. T-Mobile wouldn't suffer penalties if they didn't push it, but I imagine they'll respond to some social pressure enough not to simply forget the update.
Hell, it'd be nice if we could even just get a date.
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I completely agree with you. To be honest, I am already pissed off that they still havent released it. When I got this phone, T-Mobile promised I was going to get an ICS update in July. Yeah, so much for that. At the very least they could acknowledge our presence and let us know that they havent forgotten about us
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If push comes to shove and they don't release it can the devs port it or JB from another galaxy phone?
Correct me if I'm wrong but my understating is that it can but would take a lot of work and all are holding off since ICS is supposed to be dropping at anytime. No sense in going thru all that work only to have an official release dropped on us.
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The problem is the kernel and libraries specific to our hardware. We have to have a working kernel and libraries before the rest of the rom can come.
I'm not sure why people thought the Blaze Q would've been a good thing for us because unless the hardware was identically similar (which no one had any proof that it was), the releases for that phone would've been useless for ours. The fact that it's now coming with a 720p display (I would've stayed with my Blaze 4G if it had that), and a keyboard tells me that there will be PLENTY different between the phones.
Hardware-wise, the T769 (Blaze) is EXTREMELY similar to the T989 (T-Mo SGS2). How similar you ask? In the original kernel configuration file for the T769, the options are set to build it as a T769 AND T989. There are a few ifdefs that exist purely to stop little snippets of the T989 code from taking effect.
I worked on my own time to try and hack together a kernel from the released sources for the T989 for ICS. Porting specific code from the T769 sources to try to come up with something that worked. Here's the problem: it was stressful and thankless, and at the end of it all I had a kernel that would compile and not boot. No one collected anything to help me attempt this and I was getting tired of having a non-functioning phone that pissed me off. So I ordered me a Galaxy Nexus. I received 2 in a row with screen issues and ended up returning them. I figured I would return to my efforts with the blaze, but at that point I was used to the big phone with a beautiful 720p resolution... so I shelled out the money for a GS3.
I have thought of returning and making a second attempt to port the kernel, and have actually started setting up to do just that. I think I made some mistakes my first time around, so the second time might actually work. But it is A PAIN.
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Lol bugging xda mods for a forum is NOT the same a bugging T-Mobile for eta.
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You're right, it isn't... but it's the last time I saw this community bug an outside source for something, aside from buying a couple of guys a phone
Yeah, a 720p screen would have been nice... thanks for the detailed explanation.
I still find it comical that my old HD2 is on the verge of having a fully functional JB rom but my brand new Blaze is still stuck on GB.
Honestly if I could've afforded it I would have probably gone the Nexus or S3 route but given my limited funds and needing to cover two phones (wife needed an upgrade) I thought this was the best value ($30 upgrade cost at Target).
Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S Blaze.
Yes lets please do this.
T-Mobile hasn't updated their page for a month now, and that was for the Gingerbread update they released when they could have been making headway on ICS. I can't find out how to submit any new pages, but I can see two requests for an update that were a couple months old (click on the link, then read on the right side in section "Incoming Links") source = http://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-4182
I went to Samsung's page about ICS updates, and rated it "very dissatisfied," informing them they should have supplied target Year and Quarter (i.e. 2012 Q3) at the minimum, but preferably a specific month. source = http://www.samsung.com/us/support/SupportOwnersFAQPopup.do?faq_id=FAQ00046726&fm_seq=49755
Let's continue to put pressure on these assholes, or they will sweep us under the bus while they pursue development of the Samsung Galaxy Supernova 4G Touchwiz Xtra 4.1.
Not to be a **** ... but what's the rush? What's wrong with the software on your phone now? I've had this Blaze for a couple months and I don't think I ever had a problem. I have ICS on a tablet and like it, but I never felt like I needed to light the torches and march on the castle because I didn't have the latest **** on my phone.
And honestly, if a delay of an update for a great phone that works perfectly fine is what keeps you up at night, just wow...
If I am missing something critical here that I should know about (phone will explode without ICS ROM installed, I have a higher risk of cancer if I don't have ICS on phone, etc) please let me know immediately. I have poster boards, Sharpies, and a willingness to assemble if needed.
Dr4stic
If you need want help, testing, anything.let me know of beer more than happy to help.. we need to get ics to this phone
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Not to be a **** ... but what's the rush? What's wrong with the software on your phone now? I've had this Blaze for a couple months and I don't think I ever had a problem. I have ICS on a tablet and like it, but I never felt like I needed to light the torches and march on the castle because I didn't have the latest **** on my phone.
And honestly, if a delay of an update for a great phone that works perfectly fine is what keeps you up at night, just wow...
If I am missing something critical here that I should know about (phone will explode without ICS ROM installed, I have a higher risk of cancer if I don't have ICS on phone, etc) please let me know immediately. I have poster boards, Sharpies, and a willingness to assemble if needed.
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Nope, just a league of people whining because that makes things happen faster. There really is nothing more to it.
I'll be the first to admit I've become a bit jaded because of my experiences with T-Mobile / Samsung and the Samsung Vibrant.
I heard promises about updates to that phone - they even set dates and pushed them back and back and back and finally... nothing.
If anything I think the release of the Blaze Q is a strike against us because our phones are now the "out dated" version of the Blaze and why put development hours into an "old" device.
I'm happy that I have a fully functional phone as it is now (the Vibrant never really had a fully working GPS). An update would be nice but I wouldn't lose any sleep over it because honestly, you may just be setting yourself up for a lot of sleepless nights.
Oh, and on the Vibrant Forum they started a twitter campaign #NeverAgain demanding the promised upgrade or they would never use T-mobile or Samsung again. No one listened.
I know this all sounds cynical but I've seen this show before.
Edit to add: If memory serves correctly this was also the case with the Behold on T-mobile.
Hey i know im new here, but i was wondering if you guys have only attempted to port ics roms from the SII? Ive tried to do the same and only recieved a glittery sparkly screen. I was wondering if anyone tried other devices with similar hardware like the HTC amaze 4g. I tried to port that one and actually got the boot animation to pop up. I havent tried to do any logcats or anything because i have been to busy and i need my phone for work, but if anyone else has tried to port from other devices i would like to know so i can know where to start if i do decide to try again.
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Hey i know im new here, but i was wondering if you guys have only attempted to port ics roms from the SII? Ive tried to do the same and only recieved a glittery sparkly screen. I was wondering if anyone tried other devices with similar hardware like the HTC amaze 4g. I tried to port that one and actually got the boot animation to pop up. I havent tried to do any logcats or anything because i have been to busy and i need my phone for work, but if anyone else has tried to port from other devices i would like to know so i can know where to start if i do decide to try again.
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The reason you get a glittery screen when coming from roms that are like the SGS2 is because they use different display panel hardware than we do. I'd be careful porting things from different manufacturers unless you really know what you're doing. You'd hate to go and format some partitions you can't get back
heavenlydemonic said:
Not to be a **** ... but what's the rush? What's wrong with the software on your phone now? I've had this Blaze for a couple months and I don't think I ever had a problem.
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What happens when more "cool new apps" are released to the market that require Android 4.0 API's or better? Chrome immediately comes to mind, and there are others with many more on the way. What happens 4 months from now when you are only 6 months into your 2 year contract and you're wondering why you can't realistically run things on your phone that has 1 gig of ram and a dual-core 1.5ghz cpu?
And honestly, btw... I had a myTouch 4G running CM7 that felt miles faster than my blaze. The samsung crapware is not only bloated, but breaks the system in a number of places. You can see this in the fact that you can't have a scrollable wallpaper, or that the system doesn't understand all the loop points in ringtones that work properly in other phones. I can't tell you how frustrated I get by an unlock and/or answer mechanism that can't track my fingers in real time like something as simple as CM7 does.
And don't get me started on the underutilisation of the video hardware.
AwesomeTurtle said:
Nope, just a league of people whining because that makes things happen faster. There really is nothing more to it.
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No, this phone was released with a promise. When it was released, ICS had been out for 6 months or more, and I'm sure the OEMs had access to the system and API's well before the official release. By the time ICS is released for our phones (IF it is released for our phones), JB will have been out for several months.
This is a matter of support and broken promises. I am NOT just whining. I was sold a phone with a promise of ICS and it has NOT been delivered, and at this point the time has gone beyond reasonable.
If we don't make noise now, it WILL be forgotten and you're going to end up with a phone outdated well before it's time.
dr4stic said:
The reason you get a glittery screen when coming from roms that are like the SGS2 is because they use different display panel hardware than we do. I'd be careful porting things from different manufacturers unless you really know what you're doing. You'd hate to go and format some partitions you can't get back
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Yeah the first time i tried to flash the rom nothing happened. ahah but then i went into the updater script changed some things and got it to flash. but since the hard ware is the same do you think i could use the display drivers from the amaze 4g and replace them in the SII rom and maybe it will work? well maybe i will have to do some logcats to see why the amaze rom isnt booting.
L7ChrisL7 said:
Yeah the first time i tried to flash the rom nothing happened. ahah but then i went into the updater script changed some things and got it to flash. but since the hard ware is the same do you think i could use the display drivers from the amaze 4g and replace them in the SII rom and maybe it will work? well maybe i will have to do some logcats to see why the amaze rom isnt booting.
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I doubt it. The drivers are baked into the kernel, they aren't modules or libraries. You'd have to get another compiled kernel working for our device, and you'll undoubtedly lose other drivers (camera, wifi come to mind). It's, of course, up to you to brick your own phone
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I doubt it. The drivers are baked into the kernel, they aren't modules or libraries. You'd have to get another compiled kernel working for our device, and you'll undoubtedly lose other drivers (camera, wifi come to mind). It's, of course, up to you to brick your own phone
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Well cant you decompile a kernel? or maybe if i get the source of both devices i can use the code to compile a new kernel... hmmm all stuff to try. but compiling a kernel takes a while i think ill update my PC first haha. Im not necessarily worried about the other drivers not working, i just want to make progress, or at least help us make a push in the right direction. Im sorry if im being too optimistic or noobish, i just want to learn what people have and havent tried, so i dont waste my time on what has already been done.
http://support.t-mobile.com/community/phones_data_devices/android/blaze_4g?view=discussions
^--Post a thread in the T-mobile discussion forums! The most recent thread so far is asking for a status update, and if you guys can make more posts/threads about it, maybe we'll get a response from someone
here's a thread we can vent at!
spartanerik said:
http://support.t-mobile.com/community/phones_data_devices/android/blaze_4g?view=discussions
^--Post a thread in the T-mobile discussion forums! The most recent thread so far is asking for a status update, and if you guys can make more posts/threads about it, maybe we'll get a response from someone
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I already did - rather I saw a post and have decided to bump it daily so it remains at the top.
http://support.t-mobile.com/thread/31124?tstart=0
Create a support account and let's let them know they need to get this done!!!
Every post on the support forum discussing the ICS update will get a post (and bump) from me everyday!
anactoraaron said:
I already did - rather I saw a post and have decided to bump it daily so it remains at the top.
http://support.t-mobile.com/thread/31124?tstart=0
Create a support account and let's let them know they need to get this done!!!
Every post on the support forum discussing the ICS update will get a post (and bump) from me everyday!
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http://support.t-mobile.com/people/tmo_erica
Try sending an email to [email protected] and ask (nicely) about a status update on the ICS update for our phone! I just sent one, and hopefully if we send enough we can get some traction
Do we already know what google is going to fix with their upcoming update?
mazinya said:
Do we already know what google is going to fix with their upcoming update?
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No.
They may have leaked the phone SEVERAL times quite early.... but updates seem to be something they tend to be quite tight-lipped about. Won't know until it's available, if not shortly before.
Edit: After a little bit of Google usage, apparently there is supposedly going to be a new update released on the 13th. All that's being said so far is that there are expected to be improvements to Google Now, including new cards as well as a somewhat Siri-esque response system (offering you options on who you wish to call/text if you have more than one contact with the same name), and potentially some fixes for the camera. While the date might be accurate, the details of the update are probably more speculation and rumor than anything.
I assume they are not going to add the option to use "ok google" while the phone is locked/ screen is off, right?
What about the speaker? I know I read they are going to fix this at some point
There's an update coming on Nov 13 that adds a lot of new things to Google Now. Not sure if they add some Nexus 5 patches and other things as well.
http://global.christianpost.com/new...-nov-13-changes-coming-for-google-now-108391/
Okay, we got the 4.3 update we all been waiting for. Now comes the magic question - WHY.
I'm not trying to troll here, I think I have a valid question. It's got features taken out, a lot of stuff is different now, some things work, some things don't. It looks different, but - is it better? I am yet to find what is it that it does better than original 4.1 firmware.
I guess what I'm trying to ask is : "give me a reason not to revert back to where it was"
galets said:
Okay, we got the 4.3 update we all been waiting for. Now comes the magic question - WHY.
I'm not trying to troll here, I think I have a valid question. It's got features taken out, a lot of stuff is different now, some things work, some things don't. It looks different, but - is it better? I am yet to find what is it that it does better than original 4.1 firmware.
I guess what I'm trying to ask is : "give me a reason not to revert back to where it was"
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Because you can't. Once you take the 4.3 OTA, you're stuck with it.
McDastardly said:
Because you can't. Once you take the 4.3 OTA, you're stuck with it.
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I have to say, it was incredibly disappointing that Samsung decided to sneak device lock-down disguised as a software update. Very lame. I was under impression that Samsung does value community building mods for its overpriced phones, understands the value of such community. Apparently, they don't. I agree with someone who said it will be the last Samsung device he purchased, I think it's time for me to join the boycott.
But coming back to the issue at hand: lets imagine I was lucky enough not to trust Samsung to deliver me an update and instead took a hacked one. Is there any reason whatsoever to stay on 4.3? And by that I mean:
- does 4.3 solve some problem in original firmware, that anyone should care about?
- does 4.3 implement some new feature, which was not in original 4.1 firmware that I should be excited about?
galets said:
Okay, we got the 4.3 update we all been waiting for. Now comes the magic question - WHY.
I'm not trying to troll here, I think I have a valid question. It's got features taken out, a lot of stuff is different now, some things work, some things don't. It looks different, but - is it better? I am yet to find what is it that it does better than original 4.1 firmware.
I guess what I'm trying to ask is : "give me a reason not to revert back to where it was"
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What features were taken out? Anything that can be replaced with better apps on the market shouldnt count. In my opinion the new stock task manager makes it worth it.
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Well if I could go back in time I would have just waited for a custom 4.3 tw rom. But at least I don't feel the need to flash a new rom every day now.
ThePagel said:
What features were taken out?
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At this time, my biggest issue is that codes do not work, and i cannot get into hidden menu, so no QPST. I'm on PagePlus, so updating PRL is a manual process, and without putting phone into modem mode I cannot do that.
There are a few other annoying things, such as: can't turn off warning against increasing volume on headphones (i think there's some add-ons which let you do it though)
galets said:
At this time, my biggest issue is that codes do not work, and i cannot get into hidden menu, so no QPST. I'm on PagePlus, so updating PRL is a manual process, and without putting phone into modem mode I cannot do that.
There are a few other annoying things, such as: can't turn off warning against increasing volume on headphones (i think there's some add-ons which let you do it though)
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I can understand your annoyance with the hidden menu being gone. But that wasn't a "feature" it was a "hidden menu" after all and with root there are ways to get rid of the volume warning. That bugs the crap out of me as well but not to the point to change it yet.... YET!
galets said:
I have to say, it was incredibly disappointing that Samsung decided to sneak device lock-down disguised as a software update. Very lame. I was under impression that Samsung does value community building mods for its overpriced phones, understands the value of such community. Apparently, they don't. I agree with someone who said it will be the last Samsung device he purchased, I think it's time for me to join the boycott.
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Nah, Samsung hasn't been overwhelmingly developer friendly for awhile. There's a bit of dislike for them due to Exynos processors.
Additionally, it wasn't that sneaky. The phone was intended to have a locked bootloader from the beginning. It was expected that the update would patch the loophole we found from the leaked aboot step. That's why it was mentioned multiple times to not accept the 4.3 update in case it locked the bootloader.
Samsung hasn't been developer friendly for a long time. Anytime you take an OTA update you can expect it to prevent the use of custom firmware unless a trusted source says it doesn't.
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BadUsername said:
Additionally, it wasn't that sneaky. The phone was intended to have a locked bootloader from the beginning. It was expected that the update would patch the loophole we found from the leaked aboot step.
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I still maintain it's been sneaky. The boot loader was not patched for a long time, you even get an icon which indicates custom firmware. Many folks understood it as if Samsung quietly endorses modding. The S3 has had a reputation of phone friendly for modders. Many purchased this very model specifically because they intended to mod it. Also don't forget, people look up to tinkerers, so a lot of sales were made because "this guy who knows the phones has samsung"
galets said:
I still maintain it's been sneaky. The boot loader was not patched for a long time, you even get an icon which indicates custom firmware. Many folks understood it as if Samsung quietly endorses modding. The S3 has had a reputation of phone friendly for modders. Many purchased this very model specifically because they intended to mod it. Also don't forget, people look up to tinkerers, so a lot of sales were made because "this guy who knows the phones has samsung"
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Samsung isn't as nice as you think. HTC will often allow you to unlock the phone by signing an agreement that you are voiding the warranty. Verizon has had a history of locking bootloaders that other carriers wouldn't.
This bootloader lock is mostly Verizon's implementation anyway. They're the ones who changed the bootloader and patched our loophole. Other devices on the 4.3 OTA update (sprint and T-Mobile) still have unlocked bootloaders.
The custom icon was only stating we had a custom recovery installed. Didn't have anything to do with firmware checking.
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It's hard to call it sneaky if you look back at the thread that was all about waiting for the update it was repeated daily, if not a couple of times a day that if the OTA hits your phone not to take it because it would lock your bootloader. Taking my early upgrade from the Bionic this didn't really surprise me lol. It just clinched it that, I'll maintain my unlocked bootloader and rom away until its time for my next phone, which will be a nexus or amazingly enough a moto if i can let go of my bionic anger lol....
If you purchase a phone to be modded, after you mod it, why would you ever take a manufacturer OTA?
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galets said:
I have to say, it was incredibly disappointing that Samsung decided to sneak device lock-down disguised as a software update. Very lame. I was under impression that Samsung does value community building mods for its overpriced phones, understands the value of such community. Apparently, they don't. I agree with someone who said it will be the last Samsung device he purchased, I think it's time for me to join the boycott.
But coming back to the issue at hand: lets imagine I was lucky enough not to trust Samsung to deliver me an update and instead took a hacked one. Is there any reason whatsoever to stay on 4.3? And by that I mean:
- does 4.3 solve some problem in original firmware, that anyone should care about?
- does 4.3 implement some new feature, which was not in original 4.1 firmware that I should be excited about?
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Samsung probably does value it, however we need to keep in mind it doesn't HAVE to be their fault.
Android is released from Google, then Samsung gets a hold of it, adds their own skin/features/framework, then hands it off to Verizon, where Verizon locks everything down and adds crap things to it. Verizon is EXTREMELY against community mods and such.
We need to figure out if other carriers are having issues with the 4.3 rollout (if it exists) then we might be able to decide who dropped the ball
SGS3 running Android 4.4 KitKang
XdrummerXboy said:
Samsung probably does value it, however we need to keep in mind it doesn't HAVE to be their fault.
Android is released from Google, then Samsung gets a hold of it, adds their own skin/features/framework, then hands it off to Verizon, where Verizon locks everything down and adds crap things to it. Verizon is EXTREMELY against community mods and such.
We need to figure out if other carriers are having issues with the 4.3 rollout (if it exists) then we might be able to decide who dropped the ball
SGS3 running Android 4.4 KitKang
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Its samsung. Every version of the s3 is locked on 4.3 the only difference is nobody is complaining about it on the other forums. samsung wants to be able to have there phones used in government agencies and the like so they locked the phone down. I accidentally upgraded and haven't complained once because its not that big of a deal. I am just not buying from samsung from now on (unless they make the tablet that folds into a phone). Someone can correct me if I am wrong but everything I have read says every s3 on 4.3 has been locked down. If you do say I am wrong please give me a link so I can educate myself.
XdrummerXboy said:
Samsung probably does value it, however we need to keep in mind it doesn't HAVE to be their fault.
Android is released from Google, then Samsung gets a hold of it, adds their own skin/features/framework, then hands it off to Verizon, where Verizon locks everything down and adds crap things to it. Verizon is EXTREMELY against community mods and such.
We need to figure out if other carriers are having issues with the 4.3 rollout (if it exists) then we might be able to decide who dropped the ball
SGS3 running Android 4.4 KitKang
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Ahhh I forgot about the Knox or whatever they call it. I thought you were able to switch between using it and not though.
But I guess maybe they have to make sure EVERYTHING is secure, then build the "non" secure stuff on top of that framework.
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XdrummerXboy said:
Ahhh I forgot about the Knox or whatever they call it. I thought you were able to switch between using it and not though.
But I guess maybe they have to make sure EVERYTHING is secure, then build the "non" secure stuff on top of that framework.
SGS3 running Android 4.4 KitKang
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You can still root the OTA by using saferoot. Once rooted, superSU will ask if you want to disable knox. You can then load safestrap which will allow you to load other 4.3 roms and multi-boot your phone etc. Read ALL the threads on saferoot and safestrap before you install them.
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galets said:
Okay, we got the 4.3 update we all been waiting for. Now comes the magic question - WHY.
I'm not trying to troll here, I think I have a valid question. It's got features taken out, a lot of stuff is different now, some things work, some things don't. It looks different, but - is it better? I am yet to find what is it that it does better than original 4.1 firmware.
I guess what I'm trying to ask is : "give me a reason not to revert back to where it was"
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App access to notifications. That is my killer app for 4.3