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It's Been Fun, Getting a SGS2

Call me old fashioned, but I expect a $500 device to work out of the box. It's also been pretty sad watching everyone's desperation in either getting a stable CM7 build or a kluge of the Gingerbread pre-release to try and make all the phone's functions work properly. I've been pretty vocal about my dissatisfaction which I know has irked some of you. There were others, but they already bailed when their remorse periods ended so as we all jump ship there should be fewer "haters" and nothing but the positivity you seek here in G2X-land.
I was going to wait until 6/8 and get a Sensation but the phone re-booted in the middle of conference call to Asia and that shall we say was the end of that. I'm getting an international SGS2 instead. It'll arrive next week. It's an HSPA+ phone so it can do 21MB down on AT&T. To get on to AT&T's network I'm getting an Infuse 4G for $99 on 5/15 which I'll eBay for $400 easily. I'd be lucky to get $300 for the G2X once the Sensation's out and the comments on this forum certainly don't help the resale value. The SGS2 is $725 so the net after selling the Infuse will be $425 - $75 less than the G2X. I also won't have to be dependent on any carrier any longer and will get updates directly from Samsung.
Unlimited voice, unlimited messaging, 4GB of data, and tethering is $99 a month and AT&T has terrific international data plans when you're roaming where T-Mobile has none. Also, I'd rather pay $8 a GB if I go over my limit than be throttled to dial-up speeds by T-Mobile. My relationship with T-Mobile's always been love/hate but the G2X did me in. I'll still lurk and comment on this thread and if you have any SGS2 questions just ask. Also, modding may not be a dead horse. Paul posted the SGS2 firmware this morning.
See you guys in a year on AT&T-Mobile
P.S. - Gamers beware of the SGS2, it's been determined the Mali GPU doesn't support x-frame

X frame????

smashpunks said:
X frame????
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Oops. I was doing two things at once. X-Plane. It has a bigger impact than just one game, I was just too lazy to elaborate.
Here's the link:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1068567

Thanks for posting your life story. Did you really need to type all that just to say you were buying the GSII? Nobody cares how you are going to acquired it. I am getting the GSII aswell but you don't see me making posts about it. I'm thankful that I got a working G2x from day one because I can tell you right now. Its the best Android device I've ever used. I haven't had a single problem with it. Lastly, every phone has problems when its released. If you don't think so then u haven't been in this game long enough. The G2x wont sell for anything less due to these forums. I think your giving these forums a little to much credit if you think they a driving phone sales on eBay down. LOL...where do you guys come up with this stuff?
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Yea that gpu is going to bite a lot of gamers in the ass. This is why the SGS2 was never an option for me. I'd love that screen paired with a tegra but I don't see it happening soon.
Tegra looks like the most future welcoming chipset IMO which also deters me from the Sensation.
Sorry to see you have so many problems but you do what you have to do. I always have low expectations of stock rooms although the 2.2 stock did run great for me. I flash not to fix issues but to flash. I actually have more problems running custom then stock but that's half the fun because I know that it helps to get to that point we all would like.
So while a slight backlight bleed isn't viable for some, a gimped GPU for locked boot loader isn't for me. Aside that, the rest can be fixed and patched. That I can handle.
Also, good luck getting anything out of Samaung. Those guys never update their phones. Gingerbread was promised last august and they still don't have it.

jrwingate6 said:
Thanks for posting your life story...
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And it's posts like this from people like you that I'm going to miss the most on the SGS2 forum. And comparing your phone history to mine, you've severely underestimated my experience.

BarryH_GEG said:
And it's posts like this from people like you that I'm going to miss the most on the SGS2 forum. And comparing your phone history to mine, you've severely underestimated my experience.
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I never said u weren't experienced in the phone world but if you are then you should understand no device is perfect within the first month of being released. Christ, my Vibrants GPS was never perfect and I used it for 8 months. I just don't understand why people are expected to get a perfect device when they buy them as soon as they become available. Like it or not, we are the beta testers.
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Bye...bye...

The post would have held more water...if more of your points were valid that is..
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Hope you enjoy your new toy.
Pretty good phone but G2x is better

Don't let the door hit ya....
Sold that phone to get this one and have no regrets.

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Like it or not, we are the beta testers.
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I got my phone on 6/19 so I have a lot of history in this forum. I've posted lots of positive comments which still hold true. I like the phone's form factor, I like the way it's built, I like not having a UI, and it's fast as hell. I get a new phone every few months. I've never had a new phone that didn't have bugs - to your point, it's to be expected. My issue with the G2X (and I know there are those with different experiences) is that the basic connectivity functions are unreliable, at least in it's current state. The LCD does kind of irk me, especially since the iPad2 announcement, but I could have overlooked that. It's a pain in the ass to change carriers and swap out the phone so soon and I really wanted to like/keep it. But I can't wait weeks/months for it to be 100% stable.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. If you want a phone that isn't meant to be tweaked then you are better off with an iPhone. You will never be happy with any android phone because android is meant for people who want to personalize and make their device theirs.
The g2x is a guiness world record holding powerhouse. It doesnt help your case to write a pompous and useless post.
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jsapp said:
Sold that phone to get this one and have no regrets.
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Really, where did you get a Galaxy S II? I'd be interested in your experiences. Since it doesn't work on T-Mobile, I assumed you used it on AT&T. Where did you use it and what were your data speeds?

BarryH_GEG said:
I got my phone on 6/19 so I have a lot of history in this forum. I've posted lots of positive comments which still hold true. I like the phone's form factor, I like the way it's built, I like not having a UI, and it's fast as hell. I get a new phone every few months. I've never had a new phone that didn't have bugs - to your point, it's to be expected. My issue with the G2X (and I know there are those with different experiences) is that the basic connectivity functions are unreliable, at least in it's current state. The LCD does kind of irk me, especially since the iPad2 announcement, but I could have overlooked that. It's a pain in the ass to change carriers and swap out the phone so soon and I really wanted to like/keep it. But I can't wait weeks/months for it to be 100% stable.
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Why do you need to wait weeks? Just keep exchanging it until u get a working phone. It really is easy. I promise. I also get new phone ever couple of months and I've had to exchange everyone I got. That's exactly why I always purchase at a brick and mortar rather than online. I don't know why your living with a phone that doesn't work but I wouldn't stand for it. Go exchange it and hopefully you get a perfect one like me. Only took me 4 exchanges to find a perfect one. Lol
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Great....thanks for keeping us up to date.
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One thing is forsure, there will always be those that have a bad experience with a device no matter how super, duper, incredibly awesome it may be. Looks like you're one of those who will go down as having a bad experience with the G2x. You aren't the first, you won't be the last. And you can bet your ass there will be plenty of users over in the Samsung forum having the same frustrations with their SGS2's that you had with your G2x. That's just the way it goes with these things.
When I first got my Droid X I had a lot of problems with it. It took me a while to figure it out... it was my first Android device so I had to learn everything from scratch. But I finally got it to the point where it was a flawless device (all it was missing was an unlocked bootloader) for me. But that wasn't the case for every DX owner... plenty of the members of the Droid X forum took their device out of the box and the damn thing worked flawlessly without them having to tinker with it or do anything at all in order to 'fix' it. It might have been a little hard for me to swallow since I was experiencing so many random reboots, terrible lag, and constant freeze-ups... but it was true all the same. My poor performing DX was the exception, not the rule.
Same thing goes for the G2x. This time I'm on the other side of the fence (thank God). My G2x doesn't have the LED bleed issue, or the rebooting issue, or ANY issue for that matter. It has worked flawlessly right out of the box for me. And it's only been available here in the states for 3 weeks, so if there are still a few bugs to work out of CyanogenMod7 for it, that certainly isn't the end of the world. Nine months after getting my Droid X (at launch) and CM is nowhere on the DX's radar, and likely never will be. So just the fact that CM7 is working at all on this device is more progress than I was able to get out of my Motorola the whole time I used it (I still have it, just in case someone sneaks the bootloader keys out of Motorola HQ's I'll be first in line to beta test CM on it!).
Anyway my point is, if you like a device enough you'll stick it through the rough spots and see if you can't get it to work well enough for you to enjoy it. If you don't like a device enough to do that, then get another device, period. No need to explain yourself, you're a grown ass man. You can buy an iPhone, Win7, Blackberry, Palm... hell even a dumbphone if that's what you want. If it's a SGS2 that you want, go for it. I hope it makes you happier than this device obviously did not do.
But going out like you chose to do isn't going to go over well, I'm sure you understood that when you were typing that post out. What are you hoping to accomplish here, do you think you're going to convice those of us who are having a great experience with our G2x's to suddenly realize we got it all wrong? Should we all pack our LG's up and throw em on ebay pronto now too just because you didn't get along with yours?
No OEM is perfect, but for what it's worth I respect LG and Samsung the most out of all the manufacturers because they both refuse to give into the pressure the carriers have been putting on them to lock down their bootloaders. HTC comes in third in my book because while they do lock their bootloaders, at least they don't encrypt them. Basically they play both sides of the fence. They lock the bootloader to make it look like they're on the carriers side. But they don't encrypt them because they know that hackers will easily unlock them and still be able to develop on them at will.
What I don't get is your statement that you'll get your updates from Samsung... since when has Samsung rolled out updates in a timely fashion? For me LG is my top choice because they left the bootloader completely unlocked, and they left it vanilla Android. It's basically a Nexus device. Samsung would be my second choice since they don't lock their bootloaders either, but I'd have to get rid of touchwiz the second I got it.
All in all, I hope you have a good experience with your SGS2. No need to attempt to make us feel stupid for keeping our G2x's though. If we like our devices, why can't you just leave this community and wish us the best so that we can do the same to you?

Its safe to say Barry that no one cares. See ya
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BarryH_GEG said:
Call me old fashioned, but I expect a $500 device to work out of the box.
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Really? Um...good luck with the SGS2.

Wow. This forum has become the dear diary of threads. I guess since the galaxy is almost a $1000 it won't have issues. You said you doubt the g2x will be worth $300 when the sensation comes out. Lol that was a insult. I guarantee the g2x will have more support and roms than the sensation. How can Cyan develop a rom, when he said himself he won't if it has a locked bootloader. I like what the galaxy can do but once it launches in the US and carriers strip it down like the original it wont hold its international value. Ill ride it out with the g2x. I'd rather return until I get a close to perfect instead of paying mortgage prices on a phone.
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LG confirms update is coming for G2X, stops reboots/freezes - also Gingerbread...

Probably the single most informative thread I've read about this phone ever.
http://www.lgforum.com/forum/boards...-issues-where-is-our-update-in-the-us-for-g2x
Look at the responses from the LG Pro guy and the Moderator. They outright confirm there's an update that fixes the issue - one guy already has it on his phone and it's stable. Then the other guy says Gingerbread build is almost done so they were going to wait to release update and bundle with Gingerbread. All in all, it's a total clusterf*ck BUT...BUT at least they are giving information. Most companies wouldn't have said anything.
Now that I know this, I am more willing to deal with any reboots/issues - let's hope we don't wait long. The post says maybe 2 weeks.

My local T-Mobile reps say the software update is supposed to come out end of summer...
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I wouldnt fully trust what they say on those forums. If they do roll out a fix soon, it probably wont include gingerbread. Gingerbread will probably be rolled out closer to mid summer according to my sources. I guess that LGs and Tmobiles meaning of soon doesnt mean anything. I just try to keep my mind off of this issue but but its difficult to do that when the phone freezes and reboots. LCD bleed I can handle.
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Let's be frank, the T-Mobile reps are unknowledgeable at best and flat out misleading at worst. I want to preface this by saying I've had absolutely no problems with my G2X and it's from early March. This includes no battery-drain issues (battery lasts around 20 hours with moderate use, which is fine with me), no GPS issues, no random freezes or reboots, and only minor light bleeding that doesn't bother me. I love this phone.
That being said, at least half of the people that bought this phone are having issues. If it's really going to be the end of Summer, T-Mobile really screwed the pooch here—and it is T-Mobile's fault, not LG's. Let me state this again, if you're pissed off at the G2X, complain to T-Mobile. The above thread outlines very clearly that LG knows there's an issue, has fixed the issue, and is being held from releasing said fix by T-Mobile trying to strategize a release date.
It's really obnoxious that people complain about LG being to blame for everything, when very likely T-Mobile rushed them into releasing a phone before they could iron all of the software bugs out just so they could claim to be the first carrier with a dual-core phone and is now holding up the release of very critical fixes.
That being said, if you're having issues with your G2X, instead of coming to xda-developers and complaining about it, hop on Twitter and let T-Mobile know you're pissed. Don't just threaten to bring the phone back: link to the LG thread and demand to know why they're preventing LG from releasing the patch. Even if you hate the phone and intend on returning it, there is clearly an issue with T-Mobile delaying the release of updates the phone manufacturers have ready and it's something they need to be told is unacceptable.

I've posted on T-mobile's Twitter about how the fix is available, but T-mobile refuses to release the patch. Lets spread the word and Hammer their twitter page with that information.

zenstrom said:
Let's be frank, the T-Mobile reps are unknowledgeable at best and flat out misleading at worst. I want to preface this by saying I've had absolutely no problems with my G2X and it's from early March. This includes no battery-drain issues (battery lasts around 20 hours with moderate use, which is fine with me), no GPS issues, no random freezes or reboots, and only minor light bleeding that doesn't bother me. I love this phone.
That being said, at least half of the people that bought this phone are having issues. If it's really going to be the end of Summer, T-Mobile really screwed the pooch here—and it is T-Mobile's fault, not LG's. Let me state this again, if you're pissed off at the G2X, complain to T-Mobile. The above thread outlines very clearly that LG knows there's an issue, has fixed the issue, and is being held from releasing said fix by T-Mobile trying to strategize a release date.
It's really obnoxious that people complain about LG being to blame for everything, when very likely T-Mobile rushed them into releasing a phone before they could iron all of the software bugs out just so they could claim to be the first carrier with a dual-core phone and is now holding up the release of very critical fixes.
That being said, if you're having issues with your G2X, instead of coming to xda-developers and complaining about it, hop on Twitter and let T-Mobile know you're pissed. Don't just threaten to bring the phone back: link to the LG thread and demand to know why they're preventing LG from releasing the patch. Even if you hate the phone and intend on returning it, there is clearly an issue with T-Mobile delaying the release of updates the phone manufacturers have ready and it's something they need to be told is unacceptable.
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T-mobile rep here
you have a great point, it was most likely T-Mobile (NOT the reps) that rushed the release of it but does not mean LG isnt completely innocent either. So please if you do want to vent/complain about the phone do so by contacting "T-mobile" directly and not taking it out on the reps. As far as labeling the reps "unknowledgeable at best and flat out misleading at worst" does not go for ALL reps. I know im not the typical rep but i started out with smartphones a few years back with the Cingular 8525, flashing roms for a couple years now, I follow all the tech blogs and majoring in Electronics Engineering, currently in my senior year. In other words, I know my stuff. t-mobile tries their best to train us on most subjects but of course we are not Cellular phone engineers at the end of the day. Last time i checked my tittle was RETAIL SALES associates. so if you need help with buying the phone and some info/differences about the phone, that is why we are here. We dont have a direct communication line with the manufactures, so i dont know why people expect us to have all the answers. not trying to bash anyone just thought the reps should have a small voice in the matter
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Would you believe it.... I turned my Nexus One on to get it ready to sell it...and I just got and installed the ota for Gingerbread 2.3.4 LOL now if only for my G2x.....

I think both Tmobile and LG are at fault for releasing a really buggy phone; hardware and software. Also, the only phones you can count on for getting updated are the Nexus phones. However, im happy with my G2x and coming from the more stable G2, i still enjoy using my G2x more. I have faith that several of the software issues will get fixed eventually. If not, give the cyanogen folks some time and im sure they will cook up a stable rom before the official gingerbread arrives.

You all say blame tmo for pushing lg, but lg released the O2x and it also has the same basic issues right and that was released prior to the G2x.
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If they don't push the update out soon, I'm returning and getting myself a blackberry pearl flip phone. I'm jk. I heard the next google phone is going to be manufactured by LG? Will it be called the Nexus 2x?

Nexus 3 will be amazing. It comes out this December and will have Ice Cream Sandwhich
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The biggest problem no one has pointed out....
This is basically confirmed to be a hardware/software issue, and it does basically affect all G2X phones one way or another. So how on earth are these issues never brought up in "professional" reviews. So this brings two disturbing facts. Tmo/LG cherry picked working phones for the reviewers and packed the failing phones in boxes for customers, or the reviewers were shills or they were lazy turned on the phone, saw it was basically a super-powered Nexus-ish phone, ran a couple Tegra games and just went by the specs for the review and never actually tested the phone. No matter what the case, it's disturbing. I'm on my 3rd g2x, and miss the stability of my Nexus One (I still have it, but really want the G2X to run at LEAST as well as my Nexus One.
Hell when I got this I was hoping to have a smooth experience with Live Wallpapers, but it was just slightly less "jerky" then on the Nexus One...I was sad...

This is the most stable phone I've had and I've had many...
No reboot issues here, and I've had 3 different ones.. Phone never freezes, slows, reboots, lags etc....
Sorry you all are having bad experiences, but every phone forum has complaints and people claiming the phone is plagued with bugs..
Well, not me and I have had it since release....
I'm calling user error lol j/k but damn if yall just had my 3 different ones you would be in love..
Back to topic.. I hope yall get a update (i dont need it) so people can stop harping on this awesome phone...

smashpunks said:
This is the most stable phone I've had and I've had many...
No reboot issues here, and I've had 3 different ones.. Phone never freezes, slows, reboots, lags etc....
Sorry you all are having bad experiences, but every phone forum has complaints and people claiming the phone is plagued with bugs..
Well, not me and I have had it since release....
I'm calling user error lol j/k but damn if yall just had my 3 different ones you would be in love..
Back to topic.. I hope yall get a update (i dont need it) so people can stop harping on this awesome phone...
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This post is begging for an answer....................................why did you have 3 devices and its so damn great?
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I'm not holding my breath for the update anytime soon but does anyone know if this will fix the screen of death/battery pull issue? Are they related?

On stock 2.2.2 or the leaked gb problem's
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tackleberry said:
This post is begging for an answer....................................why did you have 3 devices and its so damn great?
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Lol.. Dont cry.... Scratched one, dust in other, new one.great.. all three great in the non freezing and rebooting department...

I didn't have a single lock-up until I went to a 2.3.3 ROM. And now I'm getting them... Sooo, I could just go back to stock and fix it.. but I don't want to to. I'd rather post another post about how my phone locks up.

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I didn't have a single lock-up until I went to a 2.3.3 ROM. And now I'm getting them... Sooo, I could just go back to stock and fix it.. but I don't want to to. I'd rather post another post about how my phone locks up.
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I had reboots and was forced to do a factory reset 5 times until I started to flash nightlies. Now I get no reboots at all, though the battery issue is still unresolved...and I can't use wifi.
Robbing Peter to pay Paul, it appears.

I would have to say that my unit has been amazing. I traded my nexus s for this current unit and I have flashed TW B2 rom before then and after no freezing, reboots, and it has light LDC bleed. The LCD thing dose not bother me and I can only expect the best for this device!

ICS future for the Atrix 2 gloomy?

Talked with a Motorola rep via support webchat who said that they "don't know" if an update for ICS will come to this phone. This is highly disappointing. Does anybody have any other information? I am considering returning it if they back out on it (as I am still within the return period). Maybe AT&T has a better answer?

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Talked with a Motorola rep via support webchat who said that they "don't know" if an update for ICS will come to this phone. This is highly disappointing. Does anybody have any other information? I am considering returning it if they back out on it (as I am still within the return period). Maybe AT&T has a better answer?
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Unfortunately no AT&T does not have a better answer, actually it is worse. I got the "We are working very hard to have ICS ready for all phones that have the capability, and we don't have any dates to reveal for any phones upgrade to ICS". I then also got the "We have 4 phones getting ready to be released in the next 60 days that will have ICS already on them".
I also asked around at corporate, and I can not get any of the people I work with there to give my any information at all on ICS one way or the other, for any phone.
Don't worry though ports are on the way, I know that both lfaber06 and I will be working to get a real port of it over ASAP. In fact he has a true pre-alpha version already posted this morning.
Jim

Major bummer, considering this phone is only about 2 months old. Either way, I love the phone and I'm keeping it for as long as its functional!
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big ach said:
Major bummer, considering this phone is only about 2 months old. Either way, I love the phone and I'm keeping it for as long as its functional!
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Same here, its a solid phone.

PeteSeiler2010 said:
Same here, its a solid phone.
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I just think it's too "plastic" (while it's still ... a kind of solid)...

If you think this phone is too plasticy...then your best bet would be an HTC phone. I think the Atrix 2 is very solid feeling.

toastthemost said:
Talked with a Motorola rep via support webchat who said that they "don't know" if an update for ICS will come to this phone. This is highly disappointing. Does anybody have any other information? I am considering returning it if they back out on it (as I am still within the return period). Maybe AT&T has a better answer?
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Ok lets see if I have this straight
You want to return the Atrix 2 when they don't even have the ICS update for the Motorola Razor yet and it's guaranteed? Me, I'm waiting for the Atrix 2 and here is why.
Google states that phones that run 2.3 can run ICS and it's up to the manufacturer to push the upgrades out. What manufacturer is going to push the hardest to get their handsets running ICS
Motorola/Google hands down

Clovett said:
Ok lets see if I have this straight
You want to return the Atrix 2 when they don't even have the ICS update for the Motorola Razor yet and it's guaranteed? Me, I'm waiting for the Atrix 2 and here is why.
Google states that phones that run 2.3 can run ICS and it's up to the manufacturer to push the upgrades out. What manufacturer is going to push the hardest to get their handsets running ICS
Motorola/Google hands down
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Not so fast there.... you are forgetting AT&T is the carrier, and they HAVE to do the actual ROM build, MOTO will give them all of the needed firmware and drivers and such, but it is AT&T who actually does the final build and approval for the releases, what we get off the MOT dev sites, actually is a joint effort from both Moto and AT&T.
I have direct information that if the Atrix 2 gets an ICS build, and IF is the word here, it will not be right away.
Why? You will most likely ask. It is becuase they (Moto and AT&T) are more interested in "Selling" you another more expensive phone, with ICS already on it. Both MOTO and AT&T don't get anything by releasing a new version of the OS to your phone. Just because a Phone can run it, does not mean that they will make it happen. Don't wait for something that might or might not come. If that is the attitude then go get a phone that already has ICS on it, you will be much happier.
I have information that IF, this comes out it will be after June most likely, April or may possibly. This last sentence is unofficial information, the official info I got from my client is posted in the second post here.
Jim

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Not so fast there.... you are forgetting AT&T is the carrier, and they HAVE to do the actual ROM build, MOTO will give them all of the needed firmware and drivers and such, but it is AT&T who actually does the final build and approval for the releases, what we get off the MOT dev sites, actually is a joint effort from both Moto and AT&T.
I have direct information that if the Atrix 2 gets an ICS build, and IF is the word here, it will not be right away.
Why? You will most likely ask. It is becuase they (Moto and AT&T) are more interested in "Selling" you another more expensive phone, with ICS already on it. Both MOTO and AT&T don't get anything by releasing a new version of the OS to your phone. Just because a Phone can run it, does not mean that they will make it happen. Don't wait for something that might or might not come. If that is the attitude then go get a phone that already has ICS on it, you will be much happier.
I have information that IF, this comes out it will be after June most likely, April or may possibly. This last sentence is unofficial information, the official info I got from my client is posted in the second post here.
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I agree completely on the time frame. However unlike other releases this one is different for Google. They will press extremely hard and bend over backwards to help update every phone in the field they can. The why is extremely easy
This ICS build will allow Google to build for their tablet platform AND the phone platform. The more phones they convert the larger the base to attract developers. This is the first shot they have had to have a single operating system. If they update every phone that can run ICS in about a year most phones current in the lineup and still in the field will be running ICS. Most tablets will be running ICS. As for the carriers they will leap on board since Google is going to be doing the work for them. The more phones on one platform the easier it will be to support. It's truly a win/win

^ Grabs popcorn
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If Atrix 2 does get ICS, it will be a very long time before that happens, Motorola hasnt even released an update to 2.3 to fix all the damn bugs on the phone. Atrix 2 is the red headed step child.

Red-heads rock ... FYI ...

assuming the carpet matches the drapes
off-topic apologies... back to maintaining positive ICS thoughts...
From what I have read..it would seem that perhaps manufacturers and the "almighty goog" are fighting over device disk space with their proprietary interface bloatware and OS upgrades as well...hence the perpetual speak of "fragmentation" as well... too many differences and no commonality. To someone else's point, hopefully ICS can bring a closer point of unification.

shanghei said:
If Atrix 2 does get ICS, it will be a very long time before that happens, Motorola hasnt even released an update to 2.3 to fix all the damn bugs on the phone. Atrix 2 is the red headed step child.
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Interesting point well taken, but I'd have to as you this
Assuming you are the CEO of a carrier and you are presented with two paths and only have the time to pursue one course of action.
A) Put your programmers on fixing the current system and take them off upgrading as many phones as possible to ICS, even though the bugs with the phone are minor and don't impede actually using it as a phone.
B) Concentrate on moving forward with one platform so you can decrease support costs overall and get a big fat bonus
chose

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If Atrix 2 does get ICS, it will be a very long time before that happens, Motorola hasnt even released an update to 2.3 to fix all the damn bugs on the phone. Atrix 2 is the red headed step child.
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Long time or not, as long as it comes before my contract renewal date, I'll be happy
Considering this phone came out about two months ago, I will go ahead and assume that most of us just renewed our at&t contracts to get it... I will also assume that most of us have about two years before we can renew our phones so basically, there's no rush guys lol
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The biggest problem I see is that Google is in the process of buying Motorola. The issue is that during such buyouts, there are a lot of movement of people who work there. Usually a lot of instability, layoffs and/or management changes happen during this period. The end result will be that the Atrix 2 will be caught in the shuffle and so I don’t have know if ICS will ever come to this device. Motorola doesn’t even seem to care to address the many bugs as it is with this phone, much less care about ICS.

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Interesting point well taken, but I'd have to as you this
Assuming you are the CEO of a carrier and you are presented with two paths and only have the time to pursue one course of action.
A) Put your programmers on fixing the current system and take them off upgrading as many phones as possible to ICS, even though the bugs with the phone are minor and don't impede actually using it as a phone.
B) Concentrate on moving forward with one platform so you can decrease support costs overall and get a big fat bonus
chose
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It all depends on LOE. If the LOE is less than the cost to implement with newer handsets, then it will happen. If the LOE is more than the cost to implement ICS with all new phones, then it will not happen. Look AT&T has 4 different versions of the Iphone that all can run 5 different versions of IOS, and there is not a way to FORCE anyone on an older Iphone to upgrade, becuase there was not OTA until IOS 5.
Support is not a big issue for the carriers, because they really don't support the devices the manufactures do.
You need think way higher than just google and android in this equation and the fact that AT&T still has to support ANY handset (on their network) that has been sold through AT&T or Cingular since 3g rolled out. There are guys at corporate AT&T that still carry the first HTC Tytn phone (the first 3g phone on cingular / AT&T), because it was a beast for the time, and since it is still 3g, and works, AT&T has to provide support for it. Now are there updates from AT&T or HTC, no, but that is why this community is here. Those guys are all running some form of windows mobile 6 on it, so is it the latest, no, does it do the job, yes.
Again ICS might or might not come (at this point the LOE says no, most likely not), I can't spell it out for you any clearer than that or I will no longer have my current customer. I have way more information than I am letting on, that I can not release at this time.

Motorola has issued very few statements about devices that will be on the upgrade path to ICS and the ones that were stated are on Verizen and they havnt even been given a specific date as to when to expect the update.
AT&T has a very good record at getting updated to their devices and doing it in a timely manner compared to the other carriers. Look at the phones on Verizen and tell me how many are up to date and running Gingerbread 2.3.5 or higher, very few. Heck their famed Thunderbolt is still trying to get the Gingerbread update going. The OG Atrix recieved the Gingerbread update before 90% of all other phones had.
Im not confirming nor denying that we will get it but we have a very good chance considering AT&T's track record even though they are being tight lipped about things and I personally think we will. But hey I have been proven to be wrong also
So if Jim says May - mid summer I say that is acceptible in my books. Has anyone seen a PROVEN date as to the other devices yet? NO. We all just have to be patient and see how the events play out. Hope everyone has a good day!

JRW 28 said:
Motorola has issued very few statements about devices that will be on the upgrade path to ICS and the ones that were stated are on Verizen and they havnt even been given a specific date as to when to expect the update.
AT&T has a very good record at getting updated to their devices and doing it in a timely manner compared to the other carriers. Look at the phones on Verizen and tell me how many are up to date and running Gingerbread 2.3.5 or higher, very few. Heck their famed Thunderbolt is still trying to get the Gingerbread update going. The OG Atrix recieved the Gingerbread update before 90% of all other phones had.
Im not confirming nor denying that we will get it but we have a very good chance considering AT&T's track record even though they are being tight lipped about things and I personally think we will. But hey I have been proven to be wrong also
So if Jim says May - mid summer I say that is acceptible in my books. Has anyone seen a PROVEN date as to the other devices yet? NO. We all just have to be patient and see how the events play out. Hope everyone has a good day!
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That is exactly what I have been trying to get across, Thanks! I also want to note that the carriers are not the ones that really care about which OS a phone is on or if it is up to date, just that it does not harm their network.
AT&T is really trying to get phones updated as soon as they can, if it is a feasible LOE. And they do have a good track record of doing so.

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I just think it's too "plastic" (while it's still ... a kind of solid)...
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I want to know what everybody does with there phone's that it has to be built like a tank. The A2 seems pretty tough. The only phone I ever had that died was because my dog got it.
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I better get an ice cream sandwich after having to deal with your crap HTC. This device was full of flaws when I bought it. That was inexcusable after paying top dollar for it. Verizon (Ripoff Mobile, Inc.) was too uptight to do anything about it. I would not be surprised if all the official talk was nothing more than hot air in the end. At least developers are working on a version. I am so glad I finally had some time to get root permissions on this phone. Did you feel betrayed after buying your TBolt? To be honest, I would have bought a marked down model if I had of know ahead of time what was going to happen.
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why so pissy. My phone was perfect out of teh box, it is faster than any of my friends dual core phones, and I have true unlimited 4g, and why do you care if we get official ics, you will just use a rom anyway, not an ota

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I better get an ice cream sandwich after having to deal with your crap HTC. This device was full of flaws when I bought it. That was inexcusable after paying top dollar for it. Verizon (Ripoff Mobile, Inc.) was too uptight to do anything about it. I would not be surprised if all the official talk was nothing more than hot air in the end. At least developers are working on a version. I am so glad I finally had some time to get root permissions on this phone. Did you feel betrayed after buying your TBolt? To be honest, I would have bought a marked down model if I had of know ahead of time what was going to happen.
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Easy killer. My phone has worked mostly fine since day one. Sure there were some software issues (random reboots due to the LTE radio, GPS, the most annoying), but that is to be expected when you buy bleeding edge technology. This was the first Verizon LTE smartphone, EVER.
That being said, the device is still on par with other top devices today. I haven't upgraded, because I haven't found another device I like that much better than this. The Nexus is nice, but I'm not big on the light flimsy build of those phones, plus samsung is notorious for poor reliability. Motorola screen's have been awful so far, or I would have considered the Razr Maxx.
Bottom line...why don't you cry about it...
BTW, there is nothing special about ICS. Sure it's nice to have the newest thing, but there really isn't that much to get excited about. I still don't understand why honey comb and ICS got rid of the search button. I use that thing constantly.

I have to say I've been 99% happy with this phone since release.
The 1% was the odd rebooting issue I had for 4 weeks in aprilish.
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Honestly I've liked this phone since I first got it, battery life sucked but that was nothing rooting and loading a rom couldn't fix. Other than that I'm still happy with my purchase.
I especially like it cause me and my girlfriend got phones from a good batch, handles low voltages and overclocking even up to 1.8 (not needed though) perfectly.
Thanks to all the developers who have been developing for the thunderbolt since day one, and all that are continuing to do so!
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Bigandrewgold said:
why so pissy. My phone was perfect out of teh box, it is faster than any of my friends dual core phones, and I have true unlimited 4g, and why do you care if we get official ics, you will just use a rom anyway, not an ota
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Let's see.
1. The phone was the Flagship phone for LTE and was released with Froyo.
2. The phone was buggy at release and still shows some issues.
3. Not everyone's phone was "perfect out of teh box". Some of us had to get replacements multiple times to get a *good one*.
4. ICS does have improvements over Froyo and GB.
5. Official OTA release of ICS will allow devs to create much better ROMs for this phone, rather approaching it by piecemealing parts from other Official ROMs.
6. Lastly, this phone was sold at a premium price and VZW's/HTC's support has been lackluster to be kind about it.
Note: I don't know the OP from Adam, but your experience, like mine, is anecdotal and not indicative of all others. VZW screwed the pooch on the roll-out and
HTC screwed the pooch on the releases of updates, support and finally, by rushing the damn thing out the door before it was ready.

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3. Not everyone's phone was "perfect out of teh box". Some of us had to get replacements multiple times to get a *good one*.
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That's with any phone these days. I haven't had a single smartphone I haven't had to replace for one reason or another.
On a side note, the Tbolt isn't the only flagship phone with problems. The Galaxy Nexus has really bad call connectivity problems from what I hear, and that's supposed to be the MAIN function of a PHONE. lolz

All i will buy is htc. I know updates are slow to come. I also dont care. The newest isnt always the best, there are usually a fresh set of bugs to work out. That being said, the devs here and other sites give me enough variety to satisfy me. If you dont like the process, learn to code.
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Mr._Takahashi said:
I better get an ice cream sandwich after having to deal with your crap HTC. This device was full of flaws when I bought it. That was inexcusable after paying top dollar for it. Verizon (Ripoff Mobile, Inc.) was too uptight to do anything about it. I would not be surprised if all the official talk was nothing more than hot air in the end. At least developers are working on a version. I am so glad I finally had some time to get root permissions on this phone. Did you feel betrayed after buying your TBolt? To be honest, I would have bought a marked down model if I had of know ahead of time what was going to happen.
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I'm sure HTC is reading your post right now
If you care, go call them and say what you said directly as it will do far more good for you and for the community.
I moved onto a Nexus, but I still use my Thunderbolt for development testing apps I make. Not even the Nexus is perfect though as the internal antennas are not as powerful at picking up data. My db is usually 10-15db worse than the thunderbolt. However, I would not trade my Nexus for any other phone as I got tired of having to wait on HTC and Verizon for updates on the Thunderbolt.

i just lol at this thread.

Im an HTC fan. I got my tbolt on launch day and have never had an issue (not saying some havent) but I couldn't be happier.
Still have yet to find one phone on the market that has everything the tbolt has (not including dual core, which has not really impressed me) and still think it is a top 4g phone.
I would buy it all over again. We have received everything promised so far & it would be a nightmare for HTC to not give us ICS after they confirmed it...
I also have to say that Verizon did not screw up or delay the launch. There was never an official launch date given from them or HTC until the week before release, as is the norm with their releases. All other dates were made up by the internet and people.
HTC released about 6 updates to the phone between march and September, I think that is pretty good at keeping on top of it..

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Im an HTC fan. I got my tbolt on launch day and have never had an issue (not saying some havent) but I couldn't be happier.
Still have yet to find one phone on the market that has everything the tbolt has (not including dual core, which has not really impressed me) and still think it is a top 4g phone.
I would buy it all over again. We have received everything promised so far & it would be a nightmare for HTC to not give us ICS after they confirmed it...
I also have to say that Verizon did not screw up or delay the launch. There was never an official launch date given from them or HTC until the week before release, as is the norm with their releases. All other dates were made up by the internet and people.
HTC released about 6 updates to the phone between march and September, I think that is pretty good at keeping on top of it..
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Well said. People are never satisfied. I guess they think HTC should put out updates as often as some ROMs get updated...
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I got the TB for $49 bucks new when I dropped T-Mobile. Rooted it the day I got it home and have never had a single problem with it that I cannot blame on bugs in the ROM or me OCing the crap out of it.
Everyones phone is gonna be better or worse than the next guy. Did we get screwed by Verizon??? Show me where in writing the promise a full ICS upgrade and you will see thousands of TB owners lining up to sue the piss off Verizon and HTC.
If you are gonna stay up on the newest devices, Hopefully you are not paying retail for the devices, Shop around and you will be amazed at what you can find.

I have a galaxy nexus just sitting on stand-by cause i've had no problems with my tbolt, besides the dev slowing down i really have no problems with my tbolt and has been my favorite phone. while it would be nice to get ICS soon im not tripping about it, my contract for the thunderbolt ends in december much wait and see what comes out by then.

why is anyone bothering to respond to this guy? He doesn't like his phone, he needs to quit whining about it and get rid of it. No amount of "I love my phone!" posts are going to change his mind. They just bump this useless thread back to the top. Yes, I know I also just bumped this thread.

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why is anyone bothering to respond to this guy? He doesn't like his phone, he needs to quit whining about it and get rid of it. No amount of "I love my phone!" posts are going to change his mind. They just bump this useless thread back to the top. Yes, I know I also just bumped this thread.
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Lol, you did.
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The two people I know with a nexus have had quite a few issues with their phones.. biggest problems being being signal and when leaving WiFi they don't get data until turning their data off and back on... Point is what ever phone you go to there will be something that bugs you about it and the update that fixes your problem will never come out fast enough.. be happy for what you have..
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i never get tired of forum drama, except that it makes me crave ham.

I haven't had a problem since day 1. I got home, rooted it and put liquid smooth on. I've always been one to have a new rom every week but this one's been so good with battery life and everything that I haven't even tried another one. I love this phone. On another note, my brother got the same phone and has had problems. Just like any other electronic item, you might get a dud.

[Q] ICS time!

I have had my Atrix 2 8 days past the 30 day mark. And recently the phone has started getting really hot. Not when I am using but when it is just sitting.
I have checked to see what app or process could be running and causing it. And I have found nothing. This is what I have checked so far
Wifi is off
Bluetooth is off
GPS is off
Here are the only things using my power
Cell Standby 33%
Phone Idle 31%
Voice Calls 9%
Motorola Services 4%
Display 4%
And it gets smaller from there. I can set the phone down and walk away and come back to pick it up and it is smokin hot with 40% of the battery drained.
I sent an email to Motorola support on New Years. I have not heard back from them. I also contacted ATT and they want to give me a refurbished phone. Which I have refused due to last phone I did with them. I got a scratched up dented phone in trade for my flawless phone. I told them my phone has been used for 38 days and is flawless I want the same back.
I liked the phone at first but I am about at my wits end. Any ideas what can be causing this?

Hey Motorola Atrix 2 users! It's been a few weeks since my last post here, and my topic is the same as it once was lol
I have a Samsung Infuse 4G, but I want to work with my Dad's Motorola Atrix 2, now rooted, Stock OTA Gingerbread 2.3.6.
After rooting his device, I was able to get him certain little features he really wanted (mobile hotspot, notification toggles, screenshot) without switching his ROM. He ended up not wanting to switch, then lol.
It's his birthday today, though, and he still wants ICS, so I gave this forum a look around and noticed this which, if I understand correctly, will get him onto an ICS leak.
From there, I'd be able to flash SCv7 (the ICS ROM my quick poking around tells me is the most stable right now), right over the leak with no problem, right?
It seems things are a lot more stable for ICS and this device than they were a few weeks ago, and I'd really love to get him onto SCv7 later today (it's about 5:30 AM where I am right now) if possible. Would SCv7 be a good choice as an ICS daily driver with data, wifi, mobile hotspot, GPS, and MMS all functioning? I haven't read anything to the contrary lol.
Also, Is there anyone I can PM while I go through this process? I'm a Samsung guy, so some Motorola aspects of modding are a bit sketchy to me lol
Any help would be greatly appreciated!!! I'll offer what little I know about the Samsung Infuse (and probably the Samsung Galaxy S series devices, since they're pretty similar) in return if that encourages anyone lol I know I'm asking a lot here, but you guys seem like a really helpful and efficient community!
Thanks a lot!

if you are having AT&T hardware MB865 then the ICS leak will work. (OP suggests that)
and if something goes wrong (most of the time it WONT !) & if u Hardbrick ur fone then pls
dont blame anyone.
talking about SCV7 ... its buttery smooooth u can go for that too
just FOLLOW the STEPS EXACTLY
all the best :fingers-crossed:

Official ICS from Motorola is a few weeks away. Some people have bricked their phones flashing the leak and then reverting back to 2.3.5. Be safe and wait for the phone to update itself via OTA (provided it is on stock 2.3.6) to the final released ICS from Motorola directly.

shardul.phatak said:
if you are having AT&T hardware MB865 then the ICS leak will work. (OP suggests that)
and if something goes wrong (most of the time it WONT !) & if u Hardbrick ur fone then pls
dont blame anyone.
talking about SCV7 ... its buttery smooooth u can go for that too
just FOLLOW the STEPS EXACTLY
all the best :fingers-crossed:
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Thanks a lot for the quick reply! (I'm also Indian, by the way, but I only speak English :laugh: and I live in the U.S.)
Definitely not, I would never blame someone else! And I always read each step many times before actually doing it. I've flashed about 4 ROMs on my Infuse and I've never bricked once :fingers-crossed:, same with rooting both devices
So you feel SCv7 is good for GPS, MMS, Data, Wifi, Tethering, and Bluetooth? Thanks again!

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Official ICS from Motorola is a few weeks away. Some people have bricked their phones flashing the leak and then reverting back to 2.3.5. Be safe and wait for the phone to update itself via OTA (provided it is on stock 2.3.6) to the final released ICS from Motorola directly.
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Thanks a lot for the quick reply!
I had no idea! They promised an OTA update? I know this is asking a lot, I'm sorry I know very little about Motorola, but best guess, a few weeks meaning months? Lol thanks a lot, I really appreciate the advice!

Rayk1080 said:
Thanks a lot for the quick reply!
I had no idea! They promised an OTA update? I know this is asking a lot, I'm sorry I know very little about Motorola, but best guess, a few weeks meaning months? Lol thanks a lot, I really appreciate the advice!
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The Motorola Feedback Network (MFN) has been recruiting users for the ICS Soak Test. The soak test is the final step before the OTA is released to the public. We are expecting the soak test to start this week. They send the OTA to 1,000 qualified MFN members to make sure the final version of the OTA is stable. If that goes well the OTA goes live two to three weeks later and is usually rolled out over a few weeks so their update servers are not overloaded all at once. When it is ready if the phone is on 2.3.6 stock it will get a notification that the update is ready and to download and install it.

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Hey Motorola Atrix 2 users! It's been a few weeks since my last post here, and my topic is the same as it once was lol
I have a Samsung Infuse 4G, but I want to work with my Dad's Motorola Atrix 2, now rooted, Stock OTA Gingerbread 2.3.6.
After rooting his device, I was able to get him certain little features he really wanted (mobile hotspot, notification toggles, screenshot) without switching his ROM. He ended up not wanting to switch, then lol.
It's his birthday today, though, and he still wants ICS, so I gave this forum a look around and noticed this which, if I understand correctly, will get him onto an ICS leak.
From there, I'd be able to flash SCv7 (the ICS ROM my quick poking around tells me is the most stable right now), right over the leak with no problem, right?
It seems things are a lot more stable for ICS and this device than they were a few weeks ago, and I'd really love to get him onto SCv7 later today (it's about 5:30 AM where I am right now) if possible. Would SCv7 be a good choice as an ICS daily driver with data, wifi, mobile hotspot, GPS, and MMS all functioning? I haven't read anything to the contrary lol.
Also, Is there anyone I can PM while I go through this process? I'm a Samsung guy, so some Motorola aspects of modding are a bit sketchy to me lol
Any help would be greatly appreciated!!! I'll offer what little I know about the Samsung Infuse (and probably the Samsung Galaxy S series devices, since they're pretty similar) in return if that encourages anyone lol I know I'm asking a lot here, but you guys seem like a really helpful and efficient community!
Thanks a lot!
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Rayk, check out the thread "Which phone should I buy" in there mr Jim tells us how to get the folks at the ATT store to let us upgrade early. The ATT store totally hooked me up even though I had 11 months to go. This may be a good way for you to get your dad hooked up with much faster equipment. That said I think my new Moto Atrix HD with ICS is going to be very similar to the Atrix 2 ICS. I would bet that benchmark tests would come out equal from what I've seen in some of the ICS threads. The screen is slightly bigger but the battery draw is quite a bit more. With Bluetooth connected, GPS on, connected to LTE tower (using navigation so data is being pulled), and screen on @ 50% brightness it is reading 4330mV in my battery widget by elvision. All that said can someone message me what the atrix 2 (HSPA+ of course) draws under the same conditions? Thanks, Jeff.

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Rayk, check out the thread "Which phone should I buy" in there mr Jim tells us how to get the folks at the ATT store to let us upgrade early. The ATT store totally hooked me up even though I had 11 months to go. This may be a good way for you to get your dad hooked up with much faster equipment. That said I think my new Moto Atrix HD with ICS is going to be very similar to the Atrix 2 ICS. I would bet that benchmark tests would come out equal from what I've seen in some of the ICS threads. The screen is slightly bigger but the battery draw is quite a bit more. With Bluetooth connected, GPS on, connected to LTE tower (using navigation so data is being pulled), and screen on @ 50% brightness it is reading 4330mV in my battery widget by elvision. All that said can someone message me what the atrix 2 (HSPA+ of course) draws under the same conditions? Thanks, Jeff.
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I also can attest to the early upgrade with AT&T. I was not due for my 'regular' upgrade, but since I have been with them for so long, a few words to the manager and they hooked me up as well (got the SGS3). So, from a $450 dollar charge for the phone, I walked out only paying $180 for it. It's worth a try, and if nothing else, if you tell them that you are seriously considering switching carriers, they will do most anything for you to keep you as a customer!

jeffdaman said:
Rayk, check out the thread "Which phone should I buy" in there mr Jim tells us how to get the folks at the ATT store to let us upgrade early. The ATT store totally hooked me up even though I had 11 months to go. This may be a good way for you to get your dad hooked up with much faster equipment. That said I think my new Moto Atrix HD with ICS is going to be very similar to the Atrix 2 ICS. I would bet that benchmark tests would come out equal from what I've seen in some of the ICS threads. The screen is slightly bigger but the battery draw is quite a bit more. With Bluetooth connected, GPS on, connected to LTE tower (using navigation so data is being pulled), and screen on @ 50% brightness it is reading 4330mV in my battery widget by elvision. All that said can someone message me what the atrix 2 (HSPA+ of course) draws under the same conditions? Thanks, Jeff.
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I also can attest to the early upgrade with AT&T. I was not due for my 'regular' upgrade, but since I have been with them for so long, a few words to the manager and they hooked me up as well (got the SGS3). So, from a $450 dollar charge for the phone, I walked out only paying $180 for it. It's worth a try, and if nothing else, if you tell them that you are seriously considering switching carriers, they will do most anything for you to keep you as a customer!
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That's totally true guys lol if AT&T is good for one thing, it's
bending over backwards to not lose customers. Months before we were due for an upgrade, by suggesting we were going to T-Mobile, my Dad managed to get us my Infuse, 2 Motorola Atrix 2s, an iPhone 4s, and an HTC Amaze. It was incredible LOL
So I don't think we can try doing it again lol but definitely you guys are right and thanks a lot for the advice!
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The Motorola Feedback Network (MFN) has been recruiting users for the ICS Soak Test. The soak test is the final step before the OTA is released to the public. We are expecting the soak test to start this week. They send the OTA to 1,000 qualified MFN members to make sure the final version of the OTA is stable. If that goes well the OTA goes live two to three weeks later and is usually rolled out over a few weeks so their update servers are not overloaded all at once. When it is ready if the phone is on 2.3.6 stock it will get a notification that the update is ready and to download and install it.
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THANK YOU SO MUCH!
Definitely gonna wait now. OTA sounds good to me!
I'll just tell him the good news lol and have him wait. His birthday present didn't come in the mail yet, so that's why I was gonna do this. But if it means about a month give or take until he's running ICS OTA, then I'll advise him to wait. Thank you!
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