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Best battery Saver

Idk if this goes in Q/A or not I never had a Q/A section as I came from the amaze but anyway. What battery savers do you guys find best? I Use Batter Defender but doesn't seem to really extend it. Would i be better of not using one at all?

I use 3 programs to help me maximize my battery life.
1) Badass Battery Monitor to figure out what's sucking juice, how long I've left, and how long until I'm full.
2) 2x Battery to manage background data. This probably saves me the most battery by disabling that data transfer a lot of the time.
3) Lux Auto Brightness to tweak my screen brightness. It's pretty much on "dark" now all the time aside for when I'm in really bright light.

JuiceDefender
I use the free version and it's very good!

I think the most effective battery saver is to flash a kernel that has become voltage control features and undervolt the cpu.
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klin1344 said:
I think the most effective battery saver is to flash a kernel that has become voltage control features and undervolt the cpu.
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I'm not a fan of under volting the CPU. Mainly because if my understanding of Ohms Law is correct, it's pointless. And my personal experience with it seems to corroborate my feelings.
Under volting the CPU in my experience just introduces stability and reliability issues. I've personally never seen any battery savings from it, especially since the CPU should, theoretically, just draw more current (I) to compensate for the lower voltage (E). It's watts (P = ExI) that matter, and the CPU, if I understand correctly, is going to demand the necessary P for the frequency requested. So under volting either starves the CPU (it can't get enough P), or over currents it (it draws more I to compensate for less E). There are slight variations in each CPU, obviously, which may allow for a margin of under volting to be possible without issue, but the battery savings of this, I feel, are so small, any you notice are most likely a placebo effect. Your screen, and apps constantly polling the CPU or network are your biggest source of battery drain to worry about IMHO.
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I use Power Controls widget.
Unless I'm actively using internet, I make sure to turn 4G data to 2G. That alone saves so much battery. If I want further battery saved, I disable internet completely with a touch of a widget. Now my phone will last a week just by what phones do best: Making phonecalls and texting.

I'm on 2.1 GHz overclock processor and when battery goes below 30% it goes to 1ghz I can see the battery being saved
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k1llacanon said:
I'm on 2.1 GHz overclock processor and when battery goes below 30% it goes to 1ghz I can see the battery being saved
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With an higher frequency the phone will use more power, like a pc processor when you overclock it so this is natural, but overclocking/downclocking has nothing to do with undervolting, MadJoe is right.
With JuiceDefender for example you can set your 3g/4g to shut off when you don't use the phone, it activates 3g/4g when you use your phone and at regular intervals in backgroud so it can fetch emails etc.
All automatic so you don't have to switch off and back on network connection every time.
As network connection is one of the services that consumes the battery a lot this is really effective and really improves battery life!

I've read a lot of complaints about these PowerManagement Apps using more battery life then they safe.
I don't know if this is right.
At the moment I'm running CM9 with modified auto-brightness options, auto-sync and 2G/3G/WIFI always on.
I'm really happy with the battery life I get, so I don't see why you would need a Battery Saver app with this phone.

rickyoon.vegas said:
I use Power Controls widget.
Unless I'm actively using internet, I make sure to turn 4G data to 2G. That alone saves so much battery. If I want further battery saved, I disable internet completely with a touch of a widget. Now my phone will last a week just by what phones do best: Making phonecalls and texting.
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Heh, so why did you get a smart phone. Some older nokia's that can only talk and text can last for weeks on one charge, if you want a model # I can look it up 4 u.

What are your CPU and batt temperatures?

Just wanna ask around to check if I'm the only one who feels my phone is a tad bit too hot?
Usually when not charging , the batt temps are around 34-38°C, with the CPU in the range of 38-45°C
When charging the batt goes up to 38°C - 44.7°C or even overheating in the 45-50°C range( ok this would be my fault in using heavier apps)
And the CPU would stay in the range of 40°C - 55°C even without use sometimes

Those temperatures aren't out of the ordinary for this device, that's pretty normal actually. I've had my battery temperature go between 50-55°C fairly regularly, and even as high as 66°C without the phone shutting down (I did cool it down very quickly upon seeing how hot it was though).
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timmaaa said:
Those temperatures aren't out of the ordinary for this device, that's pretty normal actually. I've had my battery temperature go between 50-55°C fairly regularly, and even as high as 66°C without the phone shutting down (I did cool it down very quickly upon seeing how hot it was though).
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Thanks timmaaa, for a moment I thought I was the only one.

I use Battery Mix to record my temperature vs. Battery % over time (use the JB feature to disable its persistent notification): https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=jp.smapho.battery_mix&hl=en
One thing I've noticed is that when it hits 40C+, the space below the camera becomes extraordinarily hot! This happens at least once during a work day, especially happens when I don't touch the device.
When this happens, the drain rate just plummets (when I refer to the battery level slope vs. the phone temperature). However, a reboot fixes the heat (and as a result, the drain rate) over a lengthy amount of time.
I've heard of this, but haven't gotten around to trying it successfully:
http://forums.androidcentral.com/ht...g-red-while-charging-rapid-battery-drain.html

That shouldn't happen while you're not using the phone. Have you used an app like BetterBatteryStats to identify what's draining your battery?
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well this was previously answered by timmaa i had a similar concern cause none of my earlier phone actually felt that warm...
but when i got a green signal that these are normal temperatures, i tried gaming for almost an hour turns out the phone was hot indeed the battery was around 50+ but still the phone dint shut down itself or showed any inconsistency in its functions!
moral of the story.. it happens with everyone.. my friend has a endeavor it also suffers from heating... its so normal that if u search it in google that "why does ht one x get..... "it automatically completes it in with " get hot"(also for the new One).
if you want to cool it down get SET CPU and create a profile in which select battery temperature/cpu temperature at a certain temperature you don't want your phone to exceed and then set the cpu to a lower speed typically till 1026 or 1134...
but again if u feel its necessary cause doing so will obliviously slow down the device.:angel:

Sonone said:
moral of the story.. it happens with everyone.. my friend has a endeavor it also suffers from heating... its so normal
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Of course its normal. All computers generate heat as power is discharged. Manufacturers are also packing more and more computing power into these small devices, and in general that means more heat (although there are other variables). And every smartphone is designed to deal with the heat differently, so those might be some reasons why your previous phones did not feel as warm.

redpoint73 said:
Of course its normal. All computers generate heat as power is discharged. Manufacturers are also packing more and more computing power into these small devices, and in general that means more heat (although there are other variables). And every smartphone is designed to deal with the heat differently, so those might be some reasons why your previous phones did not feel as warm.
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true that!!
even i was actually worried before hearing about it being normal from u and timma as well!
its probably htc one x is build that way.
BTW sorry a little off topic since this issue has already been resolved has anyone heard a little rattling sound near the camera region only when the phone is sharked up and down (from screen to back)
this also is a build issue!

Sonone said:
BTW sorry a little off topic since this issue has already been resolved has anyone heard a little rattling sound near the camera region only when the phone is sharked up and down (from screen to back)
this also is a build issue!
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Totally normal. Just a moving part in the camera module. Likely related to autofocus as you can sometimes hear a sound when focusing the image.
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[Q] KitKat/lollipop/gingerbread Battery

How come my old HTC desire HD phone running gingerbread gets better battery life on airplane mode than my Nexus 5 running KITkat on airplane mode ? Is that normal ?

michaelopolis said:
How come my old HTC desire HD phone running gingerbread gets better battery life on airplane mode than my Nexus 5 running KITkat on airplane mode ? Is that normal ?
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Well, it depends what you call "better battery life". How much time did you get on both phones ?
This said, you're not in the good section, you should have asked this in Q&A

Because it's a 1ghz single core phone?
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Ben36 said:
Because it's a 1ghz single core phone?
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Better yet, because the N5 has a huge screen?
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michaelopolis said:
How come my old HTC desire HD phone running gingerbread gets better battery life on airplane mode than my Nexus 5 running KITkat on airplane mode ? Is that normal ?
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My guide to checking which phone uses more battery than the others :
- CPU cores / threads, how much core does both phone have ? Lesser the core, lesser battery consumption. Add a point for every cores the phone have.
- CPU frequency / clock, does both phone clocks in at the same frequency ? Lesser the frequency, lesser the battery consumption. Add a point per GHz, so 1 GHz is equal as one point.
- GPU clock, does both phone have equal clock / frequency ? Lesser the frequency, lesser the battery consumption. Add a two point if the phone have superior GPU frequency.
- Screen (overall screen size), does both phone have an equal screen size ? Although this doesn't matter much, add a point if the phone have a larger screen.
- Screen, does both phone have an equal resolution ? If so, does the screen have an equal screen size ? If both points are true, smaller the screen and resolution, the lesser the battery consumption. This is one primary factor of battery drain. Add four points if a phone have a resolution more than HD (1280 x 720p), and two points if it's lesser than that.
- Device sensors, does one phone have a sensor and the other don't ? Add a point for every sensor you found, use a sensor detector app to check this.
- Operating system, does one phone have a superior operating system version ? Add a point if a phone have a superior OS version.
Sum all of those value, and compare it. The lesser the value, means the phone is either worse in terms of features, it performs worse than the others, but good thing it has a better battery !
Larger the value means the phone is full of features, and have a powerful pack of hardware, able to push more pixels. This at the cost of battery life.

Major defect of Moto Z is too small battery? Nope!!

I think I haven't seen a single review of Moto Z that isn't reporting the "too small 2600mAh" as the major "defect" of the phone...
Reading numbers and having an LG G2 that with it's 3000mAh battery was reported as one of the best "top of range" (of its years... obviously...) that with my over 400 apps installed barely reached 3.5h of SOT (Screen On Time, with no gaming, only Internet and apps...) and considering that Moto Z has on board a 2K screen which are known to be more energy hungry than full HD (as seen e.g. LG G2 vs. LG G3...) I was a bit worried too, so I decided to go with Incipio from day 1, having it ready when needed...
Well... it seems that the result is: Motorola 1 - Reviewers 0...
It's over a week I'm using and testing my Moto Z with same number of apps, usage and settings I had on G2... look at the results attached!
I've measured them with two of the best software available: Accubattery Pro & 3C Battery Pro, both available on Play Store (and I can confirm their readings with my direct impressions).
These are the results (min/max values as measured by the two apps...)
- SOT: 5h 32m - 6h 26m range
- Standby/screen off: 30h - 67h range
- Mixed/normal usage: 17h 18m - 19h 39m
These values are waaaay better than what I had on my G2 with similar setup/apps/usage (and it had 3000mAh battery...!), and surely suitable to cover a full day of usage... (mixed surely will increase when I'll stop to continuously look/tweak/modify my phone! :laugh.
Ok, I'm quite good on optimizing my phones to avoid wakelocks, unuseful starting & background apps (& so on...), but I think that this is a demostration of the *great* work done by Motorola boys on this phone...
As final considerations let me add that on screen off the battery usage is really LOW and on screen on, of the about 17-18%/h of battery usage, about 14-15%/h is from screen consumption (much higher than G2's IPS that can easily stay even under 10%/h if dimmed a bit), so if you are searching for even better battery time, limit display luminosity as much as possible and eventually try "pixels off" apps (not yet tested by me... only some blue screen filter when I'm on bed...) that could work fine on our Amoled display...
With Incipio battery installed you can consider about 2-3h more of SOT (depending if used to trickle charging main @80% or to recharge it from lower values, which seems less efficient to me...) and TONS of standby/screen off more hours... :fingers-crossed:

enetec said:
I think I haven't seen a single review of Moto Z that isn't reporting the "too small 2600mAh" as the major "defect" of the phone...
Reading numbers and having an LG G2 that with it's 3000mAh battery was reported as one of the best "top of range" (of its years... obviously...) that with my over 400 apps installed barely reached 3.5h of SOT (Screen On Time, with no gaming, only Internet and apps...) and considering that Moto Z has on board a 2K screen which are known to be more energy hungry than full HD (as seen e.g. LG G2 vs. LG G3...) I was a bit worried too, so I decided to go with Incipio from day 1, having it ready when needed...
Well... it seems that the result is: Motorola 1 - Reviewers 0...
It's over a week I'm using and testing my Moto Z with same number of apps, usage and settings I had on G2... look at the results attached!
I've measured them with two of the best software available: Accubattery Pro & 3C Battery Pro, both available on Play Store (and I can confirm their readings with my direct impressions).
These are the results (min/max values as measured by the two apps...)
- SOT: 5h 32m - 6h 26m range
- Standby/screen off: 30h - 67h range
- Mixed/normal usage: 17h 18m - 19h 39m
These values are waaaay better than what I had on my G2 with similar setup/apps/usage (and it had 3000mAh battery...!), and surely suitable to cover a full day of usage... (mixed surely will increase when I'll stop to continuously look/tweak/modify my phone! :laugh.
Ok, I'm quite good on optimizing my phones to avoid wakelocks, unuseful starting & background apps (& so on...), but I think that this is a demostration of the *great* work done by Motorola boys on this phone...
As final considerations let me add that on screen off the battery usage is really LOW and on screen on, of the about 17-18%/h of battery usage, about 14-15%/h is from screen consumption (much higher than G2's IPS that can easily stay even under 10%/h if dimmed a bit), so if you are searching for even better battery time, limit display luminosity as much as possible and eventually try "pixels off" apps (not yet tested by me... only some blue screen filter when I'm on bed...) that could work fine on our Amoled display...
With Incipio battery installed you can consider about 2-3h more of SOT (depending if used to trickle charging main @80% or to recharge it from lower values, which seems less efficient to me...) and TONS of standby/screen off more hours... :fingers-crossed:
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I reach 3.5 hours of SOT, I noticed that Android and Google play services are draining battery really fast, second and third on Battery stats, what is your advice to avoid that huge draining?
regards

juliospinoza said:
I reach 3.5 hours of SOT, I noticed that Android and Google play services are draining battery really fast, second and third on Battery stats, what is your advice to avoid that huge draining?
regards
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Hi Julio, do you have root?

enetec said:
Hi Julio, do you have root?
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Hi, does rooting drain the battery faster?
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silvercat said:
Hi, does rooting drain the battery faster?
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It could... BUT I've asked for the opposite reason: to reduce most of drains (especially with hundred of apps installed like in my case...) root is *mandatory*...

@enetec
Which apps do you use with root to get better batterylife?

Bender1987 said:
@enetec
Which apps do you use with root to get better batterylife?
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Many. And with a combined "settings cocktail" I tuned up in years of experiment on my old G2... :cyclops:
Most important are:
- CPU Master Pro (or equivalents, like e.g. Fauxclock, to set frequencies, governor, etc...)
- Greenify Pro with Xposed extensions (to hybernate some apps during screen off)
- Leandroid Pro (to limit 3G/4G/WiFi/GPS/Bluetooth drains)
Optional/useful are:
- ES System Monitor (to limit apps startup on conditions)
- Amplify (Xposed module to reduce wakelocks)
- Wakelock detector (to... Guess! )
- Accubattery Pro and/or 3C Battery Monitor Pro to monitor battery usage by system, apps, screen & so on...
- Eyefilter and Monochrome to reduce screen consumption on dark places or (very) low battery conditions...
These are all quite technical apps with hundred of settings that require a good knowledge of Android system and apps to be properly set.
So, my hint is to start with one and set it properly then, eventually, decide to go with the next one...
Better is to start with monitor apps (battery, wakelocks...) and then, decide where to go with tune up, based on reported (by these apps) results...

enetec said:
Hi Julio, do you have root?
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no, I dont want to root it yet because is a great phone, I have the unlocked 03 version, double sim and 64gb; but I installed wakelock detector and thses are the process always on top
1. Google play services with thousands of wakelocks, always on top " net_scheduler" and " wake:com.google.android.gms"
2. Phone services with "gsmconnection"
Any advice to stop those annoying wakelocks. I will root it if I have too.
Thank you so much

juliospinoza said:
no, I dont want to root it yet because is a great phone, I have the unlocked 03 version, double sim and 64gb
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Any advice to stop those annoying wakelocks. I will root it if I have too.
Thank you so much
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Julio, this not a full-of-features-out-of-the-box-crap like an S7..
This is a Moto Z! You should root it BECAUSE it is a great phone!
Seriuously, getting the better of Moto Z requires root... and a solution for your problem (probably...) too.
I had to Greenify Play Services on my old LG G2 (for your same reason) and even if I started without doing it on Moto Z, I ended to Greenify them on Z too...
They are a (needed but) invasive & not so optimized set of services that often eat a lot of battery on... random!
Sometimes after one update they begin, then after another they stop and so on...
A good start (before root) could be installing a battery monitor like 3C and then post here some screenshots taken at end of a day (battery low...) taken from battery usage on settings, from 3C and from WLD... then we will see what to do about them.
Anyway the couple Greenify Pro in at least Root mode and Amplify Pro (requires root too...) are surely capable of solve it in any way...

enetec said:
Julio, this not a full-of-features-out-of-the-box-crap like an S7..
This is a Moto Z! You should root it BECAUSE it is a great phone!
Seriuously, getting the better of Moto Z requires root... and a solution for your problem (probably...) too.
I had to Greenify Play Services on my old LG G2 (for your same reason) and even if I started without doing it on Moto Z, I ended to Greenify them on Z too...
They are a (needed but) invasive & not so optimized set of services that often eat a lot of battery on... random!
Sometimes after one update they begin, then after another they stop and so on...
A good start (before root) could be installing a battery monitor like 3C and then post here some screenshots taken at end of a day (battery low...) taken from battery usage on settings, from 3C and from WLD... then we will see what to do about them.
Anyway the couple Greenify Pro in at least Root mode and Amplify Pro (requires root too...) are surely capable of solve it in any way...
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thanks for your support!
I will definitly root it eventualy, I have experience with my beloved Moto X.
What procedure do you recommend to root the moto z?
I will install 3C and post the screenshots, also with WLD.
regards my friend!

juliospinoza said:
thanks for your support!
I will definitly root it eventualy, I have experience with my beloved Moto X.
What procedure do you recommend to root the moto z?
I will install 3C and post the screenshots, also with WLD.
regards my friend!
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For the procedure simply follow the (working...) steps indicated in my "hacking experiences" post...

enetec said:
I think I haven't seen a single review of Moto Z that isn't reporting the "too small 2600mAh" as the major "defect" of the phone...
Reading numbers and having an LG G2 that with it's 3000mAh battery was reported as one of the best "top of range" (of its years... obviously...) that with my over 400 apps installed barely reached 3.5h of SOT (Screen On Time, with no gaming, only Internet and apps...) and considering that Moto Z has on board a 2K screen which are known to be more energy hungry than full HD (as seen e.g. LG G2 vs. LG G3...) I was a bit worried too, so I decided to go with Incipio from day 1, having it ready when needed...
Well... it seems that the result is: Motorola 1 - Reviewers 0...
It's over a week I'm using and testing my Moto Z with same number of apps, usage and settings I had on G2... look at the results attached!
I've measured them with two of the best software available: Accubattery Pro & 3C Battery Pro, both available on Play Store (and I can confirm their readings with my direct impressions).
These are the results (min/max values as measured by the two apps...)
- SOT: 5h 32m - 6h 26m range
- Standby/screen off: 30h - 67h range
- Mixed/normal usage: 17h 18m - 19h 39m
These values are waaaay better than what I had on my G2 with similar setup/apps/usage (and it had 3000mAh battery...!), and surely suitable to cover a full day of usage... (mixed surely will increase when I'll stop to continuously look/tweak/modify my phone! :laugh.
Ok, I'm quite good on optimizing my phones to avoid wakelocks, unuseful starting & background apps (& so on...), but I think that this is a demostration of the *great* work done by Motorola boys on this phone...
As final considerations let me add that on screen off the battery usage is really LOW and on screen on, of the about 17-18%/h of battery usage, about 14-15%/h is from screen consumption (much higher than G2's IPS that can easily stay even under 10%/h if dimmed a bit), so if you are searching for even better battery time, limit display luminosity as much as possible and eventually try "pixels off" apps (not yet tested by me... only some blue screen filter when I'm on bed...) that could work fine on our Amoled display...
With Incipio battery installed you can consider about 2-3h more of SOT (depending if used to trickle charging main @80% or to recharge it from lower values, which seems less efficient to me...) and TONS of standby/screen off more hours... :fingers-crossed:
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I have been wondering how can you people achieve 6 hours of SOT where as I am hardly getting around 3.5 hours after mixed use. Also I am worrying about what is Android system which stands second in my battery usage.

Yeah the battery on the Moto Z is actually pretty good in my experience. Back on MM, I would regularly get over 7 hours SOT. On nougat thats dropped to 5.5-6 hours, but still better than my old nexus 6.

This is the worst battery in any phone I've ever had. I can't even get thru a day at work without it almost dying. I listen to some music thru Bluetooth speaker in my crane and it chops the battery in half in just and hour of listening. I do regret buying this phone but I gave my mate 9 to my step daughter. I will be buying a new phone soon and will never buy another Motorola phone.
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enetec said:
For the procedure simply follow the (working...) steps indicated in my "hacking experiences" post...
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Can you please provide the best possible apss/way to optimize battery for non rooted moto Z.. I want to extend my SOT from 3-3.5 hrs
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ethan3686 said:
Can you please provide the best possible apss/way to optimize battery for non rooted moto Z.. I want to extend my SOT from 3-3.5 hrs
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Without root you can only work with (half) Greenify and with screen luminosity (it has a great impact on SOT...) I think...
Obviously, removing "bad" apps like Facebook or Messenger is mandatory... change them with Lite FB (that is *not* FB Lite... )

jr313 said:
This is the worst battery in any phone I've ever had. I can't even get thru a day at work without it almost dying. I listen to some music thru Bluetooth speaker in my crane and it chops the battery in half in just and hour of listening. I do regret buying this phone but I gave my mate 9 to my step daughter. I will be buying a new phone soon and will never buy another Motorola phone.
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Yup true in terms of battery it's the worst phone to ever have!! Have to charge it twice a day and barely ever got above 3 hour of SOT! But what can you expect from a 2600mah battery for a qhd screen. If you want this phone then you have to buy the battery mod in order to avoid charging twice a day otherwise it's a waste if your buying this phone and expecting it to last you a day..

enetec said:
Without root you can only work with (half) Greenify and with screen luminosity (it has a great impact on SOT...) I think...
Obviously, removing "bad" apps like Facebook or Messenger is mandatory... change them with Lite FB (that is *not* FB Lite... )
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What about rooted phones? What can we do with root and or xposed?

enetec said:
Many. And with a combined "settings cocktail" I tuned up in years of experiment on my old G2... :cyclops:
Most important are:
- CPU Master Pro (or equivalents, like e.g. Fauxclock, to set frequencies, governor, etc...)
- Greenify Pro with Xposed extensions (to hybernate some apps during screen off)
- Leandroid Pro (to limit 3G/4G/WiFi/GPS/Bluetooth drains)
Optional/useful are:
- ES System Monitor (to limit apps startup on conditions)
- Amplify (Xposed module to reduce wakelocks)
- Wakelock detector (to... Guess! )
- Accubattery Pro and/or 3C Battery Monitor Pro to monitor battery usage by system, apps, screen & so on...
- Eyefilter and Monochrome to reduce screen consumption on dark places or (very) low battery conditions...
These are all quite technical apps with hundred of settings that require a good knowledge of Android system and apps to be properly set.
So, my hint is to start with one and set it properly then, eventually, decide to go with the next one...
Better is to start with monitor apps (battery, wakelocks...) and then, decide where to go with tune up, based on reported (by these apps) results...
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retr00h said:
What about rooted phones? What can we do with root and or xposed?
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I Think it is quite well explained from in the post #7 from enetec. Not exactly on how to do it but some apps to get started with and do some more investigations around.

Check out the support thread for Moto Z issues found after Android update 7.1.1:
https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Moto-Z/Moto-Z-extreme-battery-drain-after-7-1-1-update/td-p/3758100

All Browsers destroy my battery

I am currently on stock Android 12. I flashed the unlocked stock image (non-verizon) a few weeks back. With Android 11, Android 12, LineageOS, etc. every browser I have tried including Chrome, Brave, Via, etc. all drain the battery way faster than browsers did on my previous Moto G5 plus. i would say when I am surfing the net on my browser (usually just reading forums, no video), the battery drains about 1% every 5 minutes or less. I have tried 2.4Ghz wifi, LTE, etc. and data connection type doesn't seem to impact anything.
Is this normal for this phone? anything to do to reduce browser battery drain?

If you go into battery usage graph, is the browser the only app listed as using up the battery (and not the screen brightness, or another app that may be contributing to the heavy usage)

JohnC said:
If you go into battery usage graph, is the browser the only app listed as using up the battery (and not the screen brightness, or another app that may be contributing to the heavy usage)
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correct. if I am using other apps the battery drain isn't near as severe. I keep the display setting "extra dim" enabled all the time and I keep it down as low as I can tolerate. I use a pitch black wallpaper use dark mode in browsers so they have mostly black background with white text.
Phone idle is the only other thing that seems to use a sizeable amount of battery according to the battery usage data in settings.

Sounds about right. Came from a Moto G7 Play (15 months back) and saw similar drain rates. All three devices have similar battery specs which plays into the units being used to assess drain. Is what it is.
FWIW - Opera

DB126 said:
Sounds about right. Came from a Moto G7 Play (15 months back) and saw similar drain rates. All three devices have similar battery specs which plays into the units being used to assess drain. Is what it is.
FWIW - Opera
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Not gonna lie, it makes me want to go back to Motorola when this Pixel bites the dust.

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Not gonna lie, it makes me want to go back to Motorola when this Pixel bites the dust.
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Many Moto's bring a nice package with unique tricks. Gotta do your homework on what features are most important when the time comes.

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Many Moto's bring a nice package with unique tricks. Gotta do your homework on what features are most important when the time comes.
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I definitely did that. I only got the 4a because it was the perfect size and had a headphone jack. I assumed with a newer hardware set and similar sized battery compared to my old phone batter life "should" be better. Nope.

Na, it's more complicated. 4a sports more sensors, brighter/denser display, faster processors, etc. System and personal apps clearly play a role in longevity (behind screen brightness); you'd need to do a detail study to understand what's drawing when and why.
I use to fuss over such matters but find the device lasts a full day for my use case which is all that really matters. Charges up quick from a modest size battery pack when camping/traveling. Just like past Motos.
Not sure who I'll partner with in the next dance. Love Pixel cameras (especially in challenging conditions) and routine updates. Miss some of Moto's innovations, like active display and actions. Needs to be close to AOSP; no Samsung UX butchery. In the end form factor will likely be the deciding factor once non-contenders are ruled out.

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I assumed with a newer hardware set and similar sized battery compared to my old phone batter life "should" be better.
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I don't know what CPU you came from, but if the Moto only had "small" cores then of course it used less battery. "Big" cores use more power. They go faster too, but if you have a constant load, then they'll eat battery faster.
I don't know if there's a non-root way to disable the big cores, but I suspect you can do it with root (but don't know for sure).
Otherwise, you gotta get your browser to stop running JavaScript. If you're watching video you need to make sure the browser is offloading all the decoding to the hardware codecs rather than doing it on the CPU.
And if the screen is on, it might help to try and get it "more black" (eg. Use night mode) or turn down the brightness. The screen is often the primary user of power when a device is being used.

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I don't know what CPU you came from, but if the Moto only had "small" cores then of course it used less battery. "Big" cores use more power. They go faster too, but if you have a constant load, then they'll eat battery faster.
I don't know if there's a non-root way to disable the big cores, but I suspect you can do it with root (but don't know for sure).
Otherwise, you gotta get your browser to stop running JavaScript. If you're watching video you need to make sure the browser is offloading all the decoding to the hardware codecs rather than doing it on the CPU.
And if the screen is on, it might help to try and get it "more black" (eg. Use night mode) or turn down the brightness. The screen is often the primary user of power when a device is being used.
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Thanks for the suggestions. My power complaints are just limited to the browser so I dont think it is just the larger CPUs. I think my standby consumption issues are related to Stock Android as I am now running GrapheneOS and my standby power consumption now matches my old Moto G5 Plus.
As for browser usage consumption, I have tried everything but disabling Javascript. I will try that and see if it breaks anything I use regularly. Thanks for the idea.
tangent back to general power consumption, I typically disable just about everything behind the scenes as I can. I keep the theme on pitch black. I use the extra dim setting to keep screen brightness as low as I can tolerate. I use night mode in browser to keep as much black background as possible. I disable all tap-to-wake or sensor based features. When I was trying to run Android 12, I disabled all the smart services and removed all the google apps I could. I removed all permissions I could. I restricted all apps I could. I disabled adaptive settings, etc. There is a bunch of stuff running in the background on Android 12 and I just could not

Welcome to the future. Older phones had better battery life

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Welcome to the future. Older phones had better battery life
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I dont think it is all the phone. GrapheneOS has 40% better standby battery usage than stock android 12. On graphene, it matches my old Moto G5 Plus. It is either lazy programmers with inefficient coding these days or it is google having the stock OS do waaaay too much by default with no way to disable it.
I'm trying to figure that out now.

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I dont think it is all the phone. GrapheneOS has 40% better standby battery usage than stock android 12. On graphene, it matches my old Moto G5 Plus. It is either lazy programmers with inefficient coding these days or it is google having the stock OS do waaaay too much by default with no way to disable it.
I'm trying to figure that out now.
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I totally agree on the lazy thing. So many devs now days are so lazy. I develope QuickBase databases and constantly run into extremely poorly setup realms/apps. Just basic stuff. Lol