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alternative to the hp charging cable

I lost my wall charger that came with my HP touchpad. The round plug thingie is what I'm looking for. Searching on Amazon brings up a number of items, for example:
http://www.amazon.com/HP-North-American-Charger-TouchPad/dp/B0055QYJJM/ref=dp_cp_ob_e_title_3
However, is there an alternative that works? I was able to use the Evo cable rather than the original HP sync/charge cable that came with the wall charger, but is there an alternative wall plug that works as well? Paying almost $28 for a charging cable seems a bit ridiculous.
Any help and advice would be most appreciated.
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I found that Walmart was having a sale on the North American charger with the barrel wall connector for $11.99 and Meritline was having a sale for 6' long USB to micro-usb cables (pair for $4.99 no tax/shipping).
The listing on the Meritline page says that the cables are compatible with the Evo.
Given that the cable that comes with the HP barrel charger is pretty much monkey spit and fails within a month, I found a solution that works for less than $20.
Links are below:
Walmart HP Touchpad charger
http://www.walmart.com/ip/HP-TouchPad-Accessory-Travel-AC-Wall-Adapter-Charger/16641536
Meritline Cables (use this code MLCK222YNL1 for discount (cannot guarantee how long this code is good for, drops the price for a twin pack of the 6' cables from $10.99 to $4.99)
http://www.meritline.com/showproduc...e=6-feet-high-speed-micro-hdmi-cable-ethernet

Pretty much any USB charger will work, but most give a notification on the Touchpad screen indicating that they may not be charging. This is because the official charger is at the high end of both voltage and current capability. I charge from laptop, desktop and a variety of Blackberry chargers with no issue, but the available current will determine how long it takes to charge and whether it charges much while the screen is on. Go for a USB charger that gives you 2 Amps and you should be fine.

dmarchant said:
Pretty much any USB charger will work, but most give a notification on the Touchpad screen indicating that they may not be charging. This is because the official charger is at the high end of both voltage and current capability. I charge from laptop, desktop and a variety of Blackberry chargers with no issue, but the available current will determine how long it takes to charge and whether it charges much while the screen is on. Go for a USB charger that gives you 2 Amps and you should be fine.
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Thank you for the advice. To be more specific, can you recommend any alternative charging cables/wall charger units specifically?

Any brand name USB charger that gives off 2 amps should be fine. I tend to stay away from really cheap generic chargers. Any microUSB cable should be fine even a generic one if it has decent reviews. I worry about generic chargers since a poorly regulated one could send a voltage too high, but generic cables should be fine.

The chargers I am currently using, as well as the one that came with the TP, are the one that came with a Blackberry Playbook and the one from my HTC Desire HD.
The Blackberry charger gives an error on the screen that it may not charge the TP, but as it gives 2 amps, charges in pretty much the same time as the official unit.
The HTC again gives the warning and takes about twice as long to charge.

what about the nook color charger i know it higher amps might work as well

cesar2010 said:
what about the nook color charger i know it higher amps might work as well
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I just tested the TP with a charger for the NC, and unfortunately, it still gives the same "may not charge" warning...

There is NO after market charger that will charge at full rate like the HP barrel charger!
At best they will trickle charge at a much lower rate and take considerably longer to charge.
The TP relies on precise signaling which it will only get from the OEM item or specially modded after market units or cables.
Do a google for further info ie webosnation.com forums.

I think your looking for a 5.1v charger, aka rapid charger. This is used by the iPad, and some android phones like the Motorola droid 3, razr and htc rezound.
I could be wrong though,I haven't gotten my touchpad yet.but I do own all said device above (except the razr) and they all use the faster charging technology.
Sent from my rezound.

Izeltokatl said:
I think your looking for a 5.1v charger, aka rapid charger. This is used by the iPad, and some android phones like the Motorola droid 3, razr and htc rezound.
I could be wrong though,I haven't gotten my touchpad yet.but I do own all said device above (except the razr) and they all use the faster charging technology.
Sent from my rezound.
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They will not work at full rate!

No one else uses 5.2 volts
Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S2

Don't believe all the hype about using ONLY the HP charger, there are many that do the job perfectly well. Too many people make these authoritarian statements and all they do is cause FUD.
At my office, I use the AC charger from my last Samsung phone (mythic) and it works IDENTICALLY to the OEM one. I have also used a Moto and and LG with NO PROBLEMS. I have no issues getting to fully charged in little time.
At home, my OEM cable is plugged into a high-power USB port (2.1A, I believe) and it has no problem charging from near zero to full as well. Front or top-mounted USB ports tend to be 500mA or less, but the rear ones (coming directly off the motherboard) tend to have a higher supply. I also use a non-HP USB cable occasionally and it works fine.
(I got my TP during the original fire-sale and have been charging it these ways ever since with ZERO ISSUES.)

R1ptide said:
No one else uses 5.2 volts
Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S2
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The small voltage difference is marginal and isn't going to matter, the internal hardware should be able to tolerate a few tenths of a volt difference. In fact, I tested my Motorola charger rated at 5.1v and the Touchpad charger rated at 5.2v on a multimeter. The Motorola charger was outputting 5.20v and the Touchpad charger 5.16v. Granted this is at no load, but switching transformers are regulated so they should supply rated voltage at any current draw equal to or less than rated. Also depending on how well the voltage is regulated there may still be a slight AC ripple that the device has to deal with.

Does anyone know the time difference between using the TP charger and a standard droid/blackberry charger? Also curious if the charges last the same. I know theoretically they should since the battery is full either way, but electricals can be tricksiy..

sirclesam said:
Does anyone know the time difference between using the TP charger and a standard droid/blackberry charger? Also curious if the charges last the same. I know theoretically they should since the battery is full either way, but electricals can be tricksiy..
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Its all down to the charge rate that the TP is able to draw.
2A which is theoretically possible from TP AC barrel charger would charge the 6A+ battery of the TP from flat to full in approximately 6.5 hours.
If the BB charger were able to have 500mA drawn by the TP then it would fully charge in approximately 26 hours.
The charges would be no different.

To convert any regular USB charger into a TouchPad charger you need to add 2 resistors as per the diagram attached.
The presence of the resistors will trigger the TouchPad to draw the full 2A from the charger rather than the trickle charge it does when they are not there.
Please do not modify a cheap charger that is only rated for 500mA as you will most likely overheat it and it could present a fire risk.

stuart_f said:
To convert any regular USB charger into a TouchPad charger you need to add 2 resistors as per the diagram attached.
The presence of the resistors will trigger the TouchPad to draw the full 2A from the charger rather than the trickle charge it does when they are not there.
Please do not modify a cheap charger that is only rated for 500mA as you will most likely overheat it and it could present a fire risk.
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Just pointing out that you need to start with a charger that is rated at least 2Ah to start with.
You can't turn a low rated one into a high rated one.

pa49 said:
Just pointing out that you need to start with a charger that is rated at least 2Ah to start with.
You can't turn a low rated one into a high rated one.
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oh, for the love of gods. REALLY? I was just asking for a replacement cable. I don't want to reinvent the charging paradigm. I just need a simple recommendation for a cable. If a thread could be highjacked any further I don't know how it could be.
I appreciate all your "advice" but seriously, this is NOT what I was asking.

Anyone know if I can get a similar cable in the UK? Kind of lost my TP cable, and I miss the flexibility the long cable gave me, it was so much easier to use on charge!

well i know that my tbolt cable works. i have to use the tp adapter though. my tbolt adapter makes the touchpad say that the charger is incompatible.

Question about chargers

I have an HTC Explorer, which came with a USB cable and an adapter to allow me to charge via mains as well. (Something like this: http://i.expansys.com/i/g/g232723.jpg - that's not the exact same one, but you get the idea). This charger says on it that it has an output of 5V and 1A. I also have a Blackberry Playbook, which came with a charger with a micro USB connector. However, this charger says on it that it has an output of 5V and 2A.
I have tested the HTC charger with my playbook, and it worked, but the question I want to ask is this: would it be dangerous to try the playbook charger on my HTC phone? (2A output from Playbook charger versus the presumably expected 1A input on the phone) I would like to be able to only carry one charger when travelling and the playbook charger has interchangeable adapters for international plugs, so it would be better to take, but obviously I don't want to overload the phone and have it burst into flames or whatever.
Any advice on the matter would be great, thanks.

It's not recommended by the manufacturer. It can void your warranty, though I don't know how they'd ever find out you were doing so. There can also be issues when using the cable to transfer data and such.

I did watch a video about that Blackberry charger.
Supposedly because of that 2A output, it charges your phone twice as a fast.
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I don't think there would be considerable damages but..I'd just use them both, even if it's less comfortable

I looked around and I think it should be safe. From what I've read online, the phone will only take a certain amount of current, regardless of the current being made available by the charger. Because the voltage is the same (5V), and the resistance of the phone circuitry is constant, by Ohm's law, I = V/R, so I will always be the same as long as V is the same. Presumably it'll drop with a lower input current, but the max I will always be the same, and that'll be limited to a safe level.
It might take a slightly higher current (say if the max the phone can take is 1.2A or something, the 1A charger can only give 1A but the 2A would give the full 1.2A), but no higher than the circuits in the phone will allow. After reading this, I realised that it made a lot of sense, and I think it's right. I also read that if it does charge the phone faster (which it will if the phone is taking a higher current e.g. 1.2A) it'll reduce the number of charging cycles that you get out of the battery. But the consensus seems to be that doing it every now and again when travelling etc. should be fine.
Thanks for all your responses.
EDIT: I think at worst, I might damage the battery, and they're not overly expensive to replace I don't think.

I agree, the rating on the charger is what it's MAX output, not that it will push that much current to your device. If you have an extra USB cable (that you dont mind cutting apart) and a mulit-meter, you can check to see how much current your phone is pulling from the BB Playbook charger. connect your mult-meter in-line with the red wire in the usb cable (just connect all others together)
Just make sure your mult-meter is rated for at least 2A.
Hope this helps.

Devices with lithium batteries usually have a charger circuit that limit the peak current that is sent to the battery. They also utilize temperature compensation so if you are charging the battery too fast, it starts limiting the charge current.
Where you might have a problem is when it's plugged in and you are using it, especially if the battery is low. You get high charge currents, combined with the operating current.

[Q] Will charging from usb on 3 amp cause and damage?

Im looking to put a couple usb ports in my car, ive found these on ebay and the price seems right.
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Car-Led-...Electrical_Test_Equipment&hash=item33772bf4ec
Most other chargers ive seen are either 1.1a or 2.1a, will going up to 3a cause any damage to the device or battery?

A device will only draw as much current as it needs. Current is measured in Amperes, abbreviated A. So if you plug a device that needs 1A into a charger capable of delivering 3A, it will only draw 1A.
Problems occur when you do the opposite, like plug a device that draws 2A (a tablet) into a charger that can only supply 0.5A (500mA, an old phone charger). Then the device won't be able to charge at full rate, or maybe not at all.
As with anything sold on eBay, be wary of claims for chargers. They may not actually deliver the advertised current.

ron917 said:
A device will only draw as much current as it needs. Current is measured in Amperes, abbreviated A. So if you plug a device that needs 1A into a charger capable of delivering 3A, it will only draw 1A.
Problems occur when you do the opposite, like plug a device that draws 2A (a tablet) into a charger that can only supply 0.5A (500mA, an old phone charger). Then the device won't be able to charge at full rate, or maybe not at all.
As with anything sold on eBay, be wary of claims for chargers. They may not actually deliver the advertised current.
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Thanks for the reply, yeah i hate ebay claims when it comes to stuff mainly from china, batterys, memory cards etc.
Hopefully it works well, even if it's only 1/3 of the claimed output ill be happy for the price.

Benson Leung Reviews: What they actually tell us and how to use it.

Benson Leung is doing a great service by identifying to users whether various Legacy to Type C adapters and cables use the appropriate pullup resistor. Unfortunately, most people have misread his statements and even worse, drawn erroneous conclusions. Benson Leung Amazon Profile (Reviews)
What the Leung Reviews Actually Tell Us:
Whether the reviewed product uses the correct pullup resistor base on Type C specifications or not.
For whatever reason, the Google Chromebook Pixel (2015) will not charge with a cable that has the wrong pullup resistor.
The Google Chromebook Pixel (2015) might attempt to draw 3A at startup and depending on the port it is drawing from, it might burn the attached port.
What They Tell Us w/ Respect to the Nexus 6p:
Absolutely nothing
While we can infer that the Nexus 6P will believe that the attached facing port can deliver up to 3A, the review gives us no indication about how the attached devices (6P on the C end or the port device on the legacy) will react. We know the 6P behaves better with these cables than the Pixel. Link for a post and video link for getting 3A from an Anker Type A charger.
How to use this information:
If you desire a cable or adapter that adheres to the Type c specification, buy the ones Mr. Leung reviews favorably and avoid the ones he reviews unfavorably.
If you desire the possibility of getting more than 2.4A from a legacy charger, buy the cables that Mr. Leung tells you have the wrong pullup resistor. This includes having a single charger to charge your Nexus 6P and other phones and devices that need less than 3A all with Type A cables. It has been confirmed that you can get 3A safely to the 6P using these cables with Type A chargers. We hope manufactures will provide 5V/3A capacity, if not rated, chargers.
Recommendations for using these “Out of Spec” devices:
Mark them. While it is ignorant to shun these cables because you don’t understand the potential benefits they can provide, it is also ignorant to use them unknowingly. Also, if you have an issue, it makes it easier to determine if the cable is the problem.
Test your specific devices with the cables before deploying them for use.
Is it Safe to use these Cables to get 3A from a Charger through a legacy port charger?
First, a charger has a rated capacity, say 2.4A and a higher actual capacity. What that means is that the manufacturer certifies the device to supply enough power for a device that needs no more than 2.4A Because of sample to sample variation, the device must be designed to supply more than 2.4A so that those at the bottom of the sample will still meet that 2.4A requirement. For example, my device might need to be designed to output 2.7A so that I have a 99% confidence that any single randomly selected charger will be able to produce 2.4A. Hence, a device rated at 2.4A, outputting more than that is not unsafe. It is normal and expected It is only unsafe when the device exceeds it actual capacity leading to thermal shutdown.
A USB charger does not blithely output full rated current continuously. It is also important to understand that the attached device (the sink) controls the draw. This is why you can safely use the same charger to charge a 900mA device, a 1.5A device and 3A device. Battery charger does not require a full power!! The 6P will draw up to 3A, but does not require 3A
We know that these cables advertise 3A to the Type C port. That is, the device believes can draw up to 3A. The Nexus 6P seems to behave well when 3A is unavailable. It appears to work as it is supposed to by monitoring vRd on the buss and moderates it’s current draw to maintain the reference voltage. This is how it precludes overdriving a charger without the charger having to trip it’s own over current protection.
I have little need to connect my 6P to my computer and so I don’t use these cables connected to computer USB ports. I have the cable in my car and the 2 adapters in our other vehicles where I know there is a Type A to Micro B cable always available. Since the only at risk component is the $10 charger, if I ever have an issue, I really don’t care. However, to date, these have worked fine everywhere I’ve tried them.

Thanks! Very informative. I was wondering how his reviews affect usage with the Nexus 6P, and was starting to sway towards waiting for a spec-compliant adapter to come out. But now I think I'll just go for it...

Hi there!
Thanks for making this thread! This has been a hotly debated topic in numerous other threads, and has probably deserved it's own for quite a while now. I don't think it is a secret that @dwswager and I have had a slight disagreement from time to time concerning this. I'm not here to flame or derail the post, but hopefully provide a different perspective in hopes of furthering the discussion and understanding.
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How to use this information:
If you desire a cable or adapter that adheres to the Type c specification, buy the ones Mr. Leung reviews favorably and avoid the ones he reviews unfavorably.
If you desire the possibility of getting more than 2.4A from a legacy charger, buy the cables that Mr. Leung tells you have the wrong pullup resistor. This includes having a single charger to charge your Nexus 6P and other phones and devices that need less than 3A all with Type A cables. It has been confirmed that you can get 3A safely to the 6P using these cables with Type A chargers. We hope manufactures will provide 5V/3A capacity, if not rated, chargers.
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This is great advice. If you don't want to take the risk, please buy in-spec cables. Intentionally using the out of specification cables is akin to hacking and tweaking an OS. I'm not against doing so - we wouldn't have custom roms without it - but, you should know the risks and be willing to accept them. With that said, it is my belief that current non-compliant cables should be removed from the market altogether. Unless the product is correctly labeled as such and specifically sold and marketed as non-compliant hardware, consumers don't really know what they are buying. Allowing manufacturers to sell these USB cables, and having users believe they are within specifications when they aren't, shouldn't be allowed.
Regardless, I would consider intentionally using out of spec cables in an attempt to gain further charging benefits to be "charging hacking". The goal, as stated, is to push the hardware beyond it's rated capabilities and/or to exceed documented specifications. As long as you know that is what you are trying to do, go for it! It's like flashing a rom to your phone - If you brick your charger, void your warranty, or get your charger stuck in a boot loop, it's your own fault. hehehe.
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Is it Safe to use these Cables to get 3A from a Charger through a legacy port charger?
First, a charger has a rated capacity, say 2.4A and a higher actual capacity. What that means is that the manufacturer certifies the device to supply enough power for a device that needs no more than 2.4A Because of sample to sample variation, the device must be designed to supply more than 2.4A so that those at the bottom of the sample will still meet that 2.4A requirement. For example, my device might need to be designed to output 2.7A so that I have a 99% confidence that any single randomly selected charger will be able to produce 2.4A. Hence, a device rated at 2.4A, outputting more than that is not unsafe. It is normal and expected It is only unsafe when the device exceeds it actual capacity leading to thermal shutdown.
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This is an area I would be concerned about. As there is no way to know how much over the charger's rating you can safely go, I would advise caution. Also, it is entirely possible that the "higher actual capacity" is a safety buffer the manufacturer didn't intend for daily use.
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A USB charger doesn't blithely output full rated current continuously. It is also important to understand that the attached device (the sink) controls the draw. This is why you can safely use the same charger to charge a 900mA device, a 1.5A device and 3A device. Battery charger does not require a full power!! The 6P will draw up to 3A, but does not require 3A
We know that these cables advertise 3A to the Type C port. That is, the device believes can draw up to 3A. The Nexus 6P seems to behave well when 3A is unavailable. It appears to work as it is supposed to by monitoring vRd on the buss and moderates it’s current draw to maintain the reference voltage. This is how it precludes overdriving a charger without the charger having to trip it’s own over current protection.
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I'm not entirely sure how proven this is as there are some examples online demonstrating the 6P pulling about 50% more current from an Anker charger than it is rated to provide. Again, I would advise caution.
dwswager said:
I have little need to connect my 6P to my computer and so I don’t use these cables connected to computer USB ports. I have the cable in my car and the 2 adapters in our other vehicles where I know there is a Type A to Micro B cable always available. Since the only at risk component is the $10 charger, if I ever have an issue, I really don’t care. However, to date, these have worked fine everywhere I’ve tried them.
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Yes, probably best not to do this on an expensive laptop or PC. :good:

quitlee said:
Thanks! Very informative. I was wondering how his reviews affect usage with the Nexus 6P, and was starting to sway towards waiting for a spec-compliant adapter to come out. But now I think I'll just go for it...
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if it is just a cheap car adapter that is one thing, but i would not want any cables like that near a computer. even if i know better than to plug it in i still may or someone else may.

What They Tell Us w/ Respect to the Nexus 6p: Absolutely nothing
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Do NOT buy this #USB #TypeC to Type-A cable from +OnePlus.
It is not spec compliant (uses a 3A identifier resistor instead of the "Default USB Power" one), and may cause damage to your charger, hub, or PC USB port if you use it with #ChromebookPixel or #nexus6p #Nexus5x .
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https://plus.google.com/+BensonLeung/posts/JmcU4rA1csh

zeitgeb3r said:
What They Tell Us w/ Respect to the Nexus 6p: Absolutely nothing
Do NOT buy this #USB #TypeC to Type-A cable from +OnePlus.
It is not spec compliant (uses a 3A identifier resistor instead of the "Default USB Power" one), and may cause damage to your charger, hub, or PC USB port if you use it with #ChromebookPixel or #nexus6p #Nexus5x .
https://plus.google.com/+BensonLeung/posts/JmcU4rA1csh
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I've used one many times and it hasn't fried my charger or phone.

Regardless, I would consider intentionally using out of spec cables in an attempt to gain further charging benefits to be "charging hacking". The goal, as stated, is to push the hardware beyond it's rated capabilities and/or to exceed documented specifications. As long as you know that is what you are trying to do, go for it! It's like flashing a rom to your phone - If you brick your charger, void your warranty, or get your charger stuck in a boot loop, it's your own fault. hehehe.
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While I agree with this, I'm a lot more worried about someone who unknowingly or unintentionally (or stupidly) starts using those cables all over the places because "Damn it, Martha, that there cable worked just fine in the past", and plugs into a variety of ports not designed for the current, such as, but not limited to: notebook USB ports, PC USB ports, portable lion battery ports, airport charger ports, airline seat ports, the USB port in your Mom's car, your buddy's $1 USB charger that he got at WalMart and what have you. Yeah, it'll mostly work, but when it doesn't.... You could also replace all the 20A fuses in your house with 40A fuses and that would mostly work. Until it doesn't.
I just don't see the point. Buying spec compliant cables is no big deal. Buying a C->C fast charger is no big deal. What's the upside here? Save a few bucks? If that?

DebauchedSloth said:
Regardless, I would consider intentionally using out of spec cables in an attempt to gain further charging benefits to be "charging hacking". The goal, as stated, is to push the hardware beyond it's rated capabilities and/or to exceed documented specifications. As long as you know that is what you are trying to do, go for it! It's like flashing a rom to your phone - If you brick your charger, void your warranty, or get your charger stuck in a boot loop, it's your own fault. hehehe.
While I agree with this, I'm a lot more worried about someone who unknowingly or unintentionally (or stupidly) starts using those cables all over the places because "Damn it, Martha, that there cable worked just fine in the past", and plugs into a variety of ports not designed for the current, such as, but not limited to: notebook USB ports, PC USB ports, portable lion battery ports, airport charger ports, airline seat ports, the USB port in your Mom's car, your buddy's $1 USB charger that he got at WalMart and what have you. Yeah, it'll mostly work, but when it doesn't.... You could also replace all the 20A fuses in your house with 40A fuses and that would mostly work. Until it doesn't.
I just don't see the point. Buying spec compliant cables is no big deal. Buying a C->C fast charger is no big deal. What's the upside here? Save a few bucks? If that?
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No the upside is that inspec cables are harder to come by than out of spec ones. I bought the OP ones before we knew if they were in spec. I have the iorange one which is in spec as well but i don't want to waste the money i spent on the OP cables since i have 4 plus their adapter. I have Nexus Protect so i don't care if my phone magically dies since that's why i bought an extended warranty for it. I also own the Google 22.5W charger and i will gladly get more C-C cables but that doesn't help my charge my phone in the car

I have been using my old quick charge wall adapters with OnePlus cables for over a month now and I haven't had a single issue. They all charge at their rated rate, or under (my moto turbo charger tops out at 1300mah even though it can go much higher). Ive asked Benson already: what about the wall adapters? No reply. Oh, and USB Type C wall adapters are even harder to find then these cables, and who knows if those are "in spec." I already spent nearly $40 in OnePlus cables, im not about to buy $50 more in "in spec cables" to then find out that some google guy is now saying "dont use xxx wall adapters." I think if this really was a FIRE risk, google itself would be issuing a statement not just some guy who works there at some capacity. As far as i know, the device will be fine, and with my 1 year warranty i doubt anyone is going to run into a DEVICE issue. I think this is blowing up way out of proportion. My Samsung non fast charging wall adapter chargers at a max of 2.1a, and its rated for 2a. That 100 isnt going to do squat and i wouldnt be surprised if that was within the power rating anyway. My quick charge 2.0 aukey chargers also charge at that speed with the oneplus cables. Again, no issue. I think at this point ill risk the potential of damaging a $5 wall adapter due to a cable being "out of spec" than spending $12-19 a cable (times 5 as id want 2 in my cars and 3 at home) and then worrying about the wall adapters going with it possibly spending even more to replace those. Oh, and then you have to worry about the in car charging on top of those. I get what he's saying, and I don't disbelieve him, I just don't think its as big of an issue as people are making this out to be. Ill update my opinion if something happens, but im doubting it.

Don't buy these cables. Period.
See this report on Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/Nexus/comments/3rjiol/my_nexus_5x_fried_two_car_chargers_help_please/
Worst case: burn your house, die.

I have Nexus Protect so i don't care if my phone magically dies
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FWIW, it won't be your phone that dies, as far as I know. Worse case, whatever you plug it it into will die, potentially in a very bad way.
Just doesn't seem worth it.

Pilz said:
I've used one many times and it hasn't fried my charger or phone.
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Murphy's Law.

All high-quality, brand name chargers feature overcurrent protection of some sort. All of them. You can stick a paper clip in them and totally short them out with no ill effect. If a charger emitted magic smoke under load it was a defective unit. They are by design "constant voltage, constant current" chargers, meaning they endeavor to supply a constant voltage until they hit their current maximum, at which point they become constant current and allow the voltage to drop to maintain the current constant.
For those who are curious about the exact behavior of various chargers under load, read all about it here:
http://www.righto.com/2012/10/a-dozen-usb-chargers-in-lab-apple-is.html

ackattacker said:
All high-quality, brand name chargers feature overcurrent protection of some sort. All of them. You can stick a paper clip in them and totally short them out with no ill effect. If a charger emitted magic smoke under load it was a defective unit. They are by design "constant voltage, constant current" chargers, meaning they endeavor to supply a constant voltage until they hit their current maximum, at which point they become constant current and allow the voltage to drop to maintain the current constant.
For those who are curious about the exact behavior of various chargers under load, read all about it here:
http://www.righto.com/2012/10/a-dozen-usb-chargers-in-lab-apple-is.html
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Well said, and great article!

ackattacker said:
All high-quality, brand name chargers feature overcurrent protection of some sort. All of them. You can stick a paper clip in them and totally short them out with no ill effect. If a charger emitted magic smoke under load it was a defective unit. They are by design "constant voltage, constant current" chargers, meaning they endeavor to supply a constant voltage until they hit their current maximum, at which point they become constant current and allow the voltage to drop to maintain the current constant.
For those who are curious about the exact behavior of various chargers under load, read all about it here:
http://www.righto.com/2012/10/a-dozen-usb-chargers-in-lab-apple-is.html
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I have been looking everywhere for information on this topic. Everyone seems to think using a non spec cable is the end of the world but it seems it is not.
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so i'd be correct to say that if i used the One Plus type A to type C cable rated for 2.4A on my 12W iPad charger rated for 2.4A output, i'd be ok?

semajm85 said:
so i'd be correct to say that if i used the One Plus type A to type C cable rated for 2.4A on my 12W iPad charger rated for 2.4A output, i'd be ok?
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Maybe. It's not entirely risk free, but - as that article notes - it's probably OK. It's a calculated risk. That about sums up the entire issue.

Has there been any A to C adapters that have been approved? I don't think I saw any in that spreadsheet going around.

NCguy said:
Has there been any A to C adapters that have been approved? I don't think I saw any in that spreadsheet going around.
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http://www.amazon.com/iOrange-E-Bra...?ie=UTF8&qid=1447681815&sr=8-2&keywords=USB-C

DebauchedSloth said:
http://www.amazon.com/iOrange-E-Bra...?ie=UTF8&qid=1447681815&sr=8-2&keywords=USB-C
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Thanks for that. Looks like that adapter is C to A. Is there a certified A to C that I've overlooked?

Charging Pixel with old phone chargers

As I'm sure is the case for many of you, I have a ton of typical USB chargers around the house, which supply anywhere from 0.8A to 1.5A output. Going with the assumption that I don't care how long it takes to charge, is there any risk with using the USB C-A cable that came with my pixel and plugging into any of those old USB chargers? They should all work, right? Just as different speeds depending on the output current?

I am not an expert, but from my research into the safety of USB-A to USB-C cables, the "risk" will generally come as a result of purchasing a cheap cable that does not have the appropriate (56k) resistor. The cable that came directly from google has the appropriate resistor and is not low quality, so it will be safe to plug into any functioning USB port (either on your computer or a charger).
That being said, if you have a malfunctioning charger, or there is power surge etc., that is an "act of god" and what happens happens

You may actually be better off using these old chargers if they work correctly. The slower you charge your phone, the better it is for the longevity (years) of your battery.

Yeah, that is why I didn't care about charging speed. For plugging it in next to my bed each night, I figure slower is better. However, I just received a mini USB to USB C from Amazon, and used that to plug my pixel in last night to a 1a charger. And while the phone did say charging over USB, it didn't gain any battery overnight and instead continued to discharge until I woke up in the morning. Is anyone else seeing anything like that?

Not trying to be mean or name call but I personally think you all are crazy. Buying a $700 phone and using a cheap charger that could have the risk to break your phone. Especially if you know better. Honestly, spending the $30-$40 from a charger from Google or an approved charger is just smart for the long term and not risk losing $700. Just my 2 cents. I did the same for the car charger.

Sure, I hear your point. But honestly I know that it is better for the battery to charge slower, so I would rather use a low power charger next to my bed each night, and only use the included quick charger when I need a quick top-off.

BlueWRXPride said:
Sure, I hear your point. But honestly I know that it is better for the battery to charge slower, so I would rather use a low power charger next to my bed each night, and only use the included quick charger when I need a quick top-off.
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Have to consider 2 points since there are so many inaccuracies about this subject:
1) Inadequate chargers with insufficient output cause batteries to become overheated, consequently reduce battery charging cycles. Smart batteries are not adversely affected by certified quick chargers.
2) Turbo chargers do not "top off". When a battery gets to around 80%, the appropriate charger begins its slower charging as to not overload it. Once at 100%, charging stops, and the maintenance process begins. As battery level drops to around 97.6%, trickle charging begins.
In sum, a certified, OEM-equivalent quick charger, even with higher output would not damage batteries.

The phone supports most standards however usb c and Qualcomm quick charge are not compatible and you fall back to 5v 3 amp at best. Make sure to fully insert the cable into the phone. It has to click. I've accidently not charged overnight that way.

I've got a bunch of turbo chargers that I've accumulated over the years. Using a non-[manufacturer of current phone] charger has never damaged my phone. I just bought a 10 pack of USB C adapters and popped one on every charger so I can continue using my old ones. No issues yet and I don't anticipate any.
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joshw0000 said:
I've got a bunch of turbo chargers that I've accumulated over the years. Using a non-[manufacturer of current phone] charger has never damaged my phone. I just bought a 10 pack of USB C adapters and popped one on every charger so I can continue using my old ones. No issues yet and I don't anticipate any.
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Sure, you can use non-oem chargers. That's not the problem. Issues only potentially arise when the chargers do not provide adequate output, or their "smart" capabilities are not up to specs. I use all kinds of chargers bought at Verizon, Best Buy, etc. I also use Amazon chargers as long as they're not too far off OEM requirements. Also, people don't think about the importance of a good, thick cable.

I have a ton of Samsung fast chargers and Samsung USB a to c cables . Would those be safe?

parmend said:
I have a ton of Samsung fast chargers and Samsung USB a to c cables . Would those be safe?
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Many will say no big deal. However, I'd say let's hear it from the horse's mouth. Here's Google engineer Benson Leung https://plus.google.com/+BensonLeung/posts/cEvVQLXhyRX. You be the judge.
Bottom line, to answer your question, no, quick charging methodology used by Samsung and Motorola is not supported by the Pixel. Your phone will charge at a slower rate. Will it damage the phone in the long run? Likely not. Well, I'll let you guys test for me.