Is it just me or has development waned for the S5 due to the locked bootloader? There's just so much you can do with safestrap and modifying Touchwiz. In reality, the odds of a bootloader unlock being discovered is rather slim. Look at the S4, the newest firmware releases are still not unlocked and you're forced to use safestrap. I realize we rely on a talented hacker out there to find an exploit that lets us replace the bootloader with a custom one OR the carrier allowing the bootloader to be unlocked. I've read somewhere that the S5 is approved for use by the U.S. Government so the likelihood of Verizon making the phone insecure by allowing people to unlock the bootloader is close to nil. I just really really want to see this phone not slip into XDA obscurity.
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Is it just me or has development waned for the S5 due to the locked bootloader? There's just so much you can do with safestrap and modifying Touchwiz. In reality, the odds of a bootloader unlock being discovered is rather slim. Look at the S4, the newest firmware releases are still not unlocked and you're forced to use safestrap. I realize we rely on a talented hacker out there to find an exploit that lets us replace the bootloader with a custom one OR the carrier allowing the bootloader to be unlocked. I've read somewhere that the S5 is approved for use by the U.S. Government so the likelihood of Verizon making the phone insecure by allowing people to unlock the bootloader is close to nil. I just really really want to see this phone not slip into XDA obscurity.
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it is slipping away, but not because of the bootloader being locked. Not as many people (devs included) bought the phone as early adopters, so i'm guessing there's just not enough interest or intent in the phone.
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There's just so much you can do with safestrap and modifying Touchwiz.
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That right there is why development is slow. There's only so much one can do with a stock system to work with. Expect to see development have a boost after each OTA until all mods are worked in, then the same downward slope until the next OTA. Repeat. :good:
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That right there is why development is slow. There's only so much one can do with a stock system to work with. Expect to see development have a boost after each OTA until all mods are worked in, then the same downward slope until the next OTA. Repeat. :good:
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There may be hope for that. Over in the Verizon S4 forums, they got kexec working. No aosp yet, and its very unstable, but they found it. It should work on the S5 with a little more work. Hopefully this happens this month.
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There may be hope for that. Over in the Verizon S4 forums, they got kexec working. No aosp yet, and its very unstable, but they found it. It should work on the S5 with a little more work. Hopefully this happens this month.
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This would be good. kexec was the savior of my previous phone.
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There may be hope for that. Over in the Verizon S4 forums, they got kexec working. No aosp yet, and its very unstable, but they found it. It should work on the S5 with a little more work. Hopefully this happens this month.
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I'm not sure if kexec is possible without having a SELinux permissive kernel. I believe the Galaxy s5 is enforcing unfortunately (not vulnerable).
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I'm not sure if kexec is possible without having a SELinux permissive kernel. I believe the Galaxy s5 is enforcing unfortunately (not vulnerable).
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That is being worked on already. There is a thread about it.
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I really hope they are successful.
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There may be hope for that. Over in the Verizon S4 forums, they got kexec working. No aosp yet, and its very unstable, but they found it. It should work on the S5 with a little more work. Hopefully this happens this month.
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Actually I'm running a GPE ROM on my Verizon S4 right now. It's SafeStrap compatible. I love AOSP vs TouchWiz.
Being pessimistic it does seem like the beginning of the end for s5. By this I mean to say that safestrap just doesn't cut it as I do not like stock kernel. But everyone's done an amazing job thus far so haven't completely given up but I think nexus devices are the route I will take.
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I'm not sure if kexec is possible without having a SELinux permissive kernel. I believe the Galaxy s5 is enforcing unfortunately (not vulnerable).
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to my knowledge it is in the kernel. on vzw s4 mdk devicds were unlocked allowing you to flash custom kernals that were modded by devs like ktoons to make it permissive..
The later firmware builds (cant go back to mdk if took ota to a newer firmware) are in the same boat as the s5 so if they have it on later kernal builds for the s4 then it might b possible.. then again, they have it on the note 3 but doesnt work on the s5 so that concept isnt always possible
Not slipping away. Just at a road block. Everyone has done all the modding they can do on the device. I think everyone is waiting on 5.0.
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to my knowledge it is in the kernel. on vzw s4 mdk devicds were unlocked allowing you to flash custom kernals that were modded by devs like ktoons to make it permissive..
The later firmware builds (cant go back to mdk if took ota to a newer firmware) are in the same boat as the s5 so if they have it on later kernal builds for the s4 then it might b possible.. then again, they have it on the note 3 but doesnt work on the s5 so that concept isnt always possible
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I'm working on it. It's rather difficult. It appears the kernel was compiled with no /dev/mem(kmem) character devices in the config. After going through the kernel source, it looks like SELinux was set to always enforce. This is where ro.build.selinux.enforce=1 comes from. The bootloader checks the boot.img hash and for a special cookie
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SEANDROIDENFORCE
which appears before the hash. If this cookie/magic isn't present, the warranty bit will blow. Since I can't access memory directly, and the methods I could use are significantly limited because of the Enforcing status, some sort of vulnerability in the kernel will need to be present. As soon as we can get Permissive, I can get us kernel modules, and hopefully kexec with the help of a few other great devs @Surge1223 @CalcProgrammer1
Your efforts are truly appreciated!
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The OP is originally from September something. I just seen this post and was interested in it, it is now November and if you ask me, yes it has slipped away, technology moves on quickly, i6+ is out and now we will start seeing things about a s6 in the works and it is what it is.
I blame the locked bootloader on a ton of stuff not being created. You have to grab ahold of technology in the moment and use it fast or else its gone before you know it.
It is certainly nothing like the S3 forums. That place is still kicking.
From what I understand they're close to kexec on it and the S4, since they only need KK-compatible kernels and they previously had unlocked bootloaders. That isn't the case here.
Samsung really screwed up with this one. If the N6 wasn't assured to be a failure on Verizon and it didn't have a massive footprint I'd be all over it.
Everybody panic.
Wish we can get some good news soon.
Dead is all I'm seeing, except for the few amazing devs we have now. Those still building, thank you
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Hey every1, I was wondering if there was a working stable way to root the VZW s3... I know a lot of devs have been working on it and I hear there coming out with an update to fix it, but for right now is there a way? I have sprint but the service isn't good where I live so I'd like to get Vrzn and be able to flash cm10, any input much appreciated
Thanks
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Hey every1, I was wondering if there was a working stable way to root the VZW s3... I know a lot of devs have been working on it and I hear there coming out with an update to fix it, but for right now is there a way? I have sprint but the service isn't good where I live so I'd like to get Vrzn and be able to flash cm10, any input much appreciated
Thanks
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Rooting and the bootloader issue have virtually nothing to do with one another. Here's a copy/paste of something I wrote:
ExodusC said:
The Verizon (and pretty much every) Galaxy S3 has had root since virtually their release date.
The Verizon version does have a locked bootloader (see #3), and there is going to be a "Developer Edition" released directly from Samsung with pretty much no warranty, and it will be completely unsubsidized.
The bootloader lock has not stopped us from flashing custom ROMs or custom kernels. See below.
Here's some source links for you, in rough chronological order:
The "Root66" method for easily obtaining root
Original proof-of-concept showing custom kernels can be booted
Standard install of CyanogenMod 9 via kexec demonstrated
Functioning 3G/4G data on CyanogenMod 9 demonstrated
Unofficial guide to installing CyanogenMod 9
CVPCS states locked bootloader is a non-issue
Ongoing research & development on the locked bootloader
I could go on and on, but as you can see, development of custom ROMs (both TouchWiz and AOSP based) has not been hindered by the locked bootloader.
The community has pulled together on this, and developers from non-Verizon carriers have been tons of help in all the progress that has been made so far.
Many people, including myself, do not support the idea of the Developer Edition SGS3, and I personally doubt it will have even a tiny fraction of the community the consumer version has.
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Thanks for the info, but what can't you do with the Verizon version?
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And if you can still root and flash roms from Verizon s3, why does it say like cyanogenmod is coming out for everything but Verizon bc it has a locked bootloader?
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Look at the development forms it will answer yourquestions and show you where the VZW development is going.
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In short a locked bootloader will prevent flashing custom kernel, hence why CM10 is not officially supported for VZW yet. It is possible to flash other ROMs and there are already a few different versions of the stock rom that have been stripped or debloated. Some people have also reported a workaround for flashing custom kernels but its a little more tedious. As far as rooting goes, you can do everything else that rooting entails (TB, tethering, etc.) just fine.
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In short a locked bootloader will prevent flashing custom kernel, hence why CM10 is not officially supported for VZW yet. It is possible to flash other ROMs and there are already a few different versions of the stock rom that have been stripped or debloated. Some people have also reported a workaround for flashing custom kernels but its a little more tedious. As far as rooting goes, you can do everything else that rooting entails (TB, tethering, etc.) just fine.
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What do you mean "reported?" Read my above post- we have an effective workaround for flashing custom kernels and ROMs.
All it requires is flashing a custom recovery (just like you'd do with any phone) and then simply flashing the custom ROM (just like you'd do with any phone).
The auto-kexec and custom kernel are built right into the .zip package.
Yes, it's not perfect, but assuming the CyanogenMod team is okay with the workaround, I don't see why we wouldn't get official support.
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What do you mean "reported?" Read my above post- we have an effective workaround for flashing custom kernels and ROMs.
All it requires is flashing a custom recovery (just like you'd do with any phone) and then simply flashing the custom ROM (just like you'd do with any phone).
The auto-kexec and custom kernel are built right into the .zip package.
Yes, it's not perfect, but assuming the CyanogenMod team is okay with the workaround, I don't see why we wouldn't get official support.
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thats right im even running CM10 (dealing with the regular issues before that rom hit RC status, but i love cyanogen so i can live with that, official could hit us soon
Galaxy s3 kitkat boot loader unlock bounty ideas lets see what we can come up with
sk8terboy13 said:
Galaxy s3 kitkat boot loader unlock bounty ideas lets see what we can come up with
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Dude I hate to be the burden of bad news but I doubt it will ever be unlocked on kk with VZW. It's a nice idea but sadly no devs are willing to give this a shot. I kind of don't blame them. VZW will screw us all over rather than let us do what we want to the devices we have
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Dude I hate to be the burden of bad news but I doubt it will ever be unlocked on kk with VZW. It's a nice idea but sadly no devs are willing to give this a shot. I kind of don't blame them. VZW will screw us all over rather than let us do what we want to the devices we have
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You don't have to be a dev to give it a shot. There's a couple non-devs taking a look at the bootloader and stuff. Just picking at it. Seeing what does what. Who knows. It could happen.
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Galaxy s3 kitkat boot loader unlock bounty ideas lets see what we can come up with
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I'm a pretty amateur dev when it comes to android. I have this phone and its killing me that no one has even tried to do anything about this in recent months, I seriously want to try a software mod for this horridly annoying dilemma before doing an emmc replacement. If I'm not mistaken loki project failed yes?
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You don't have to be a dev to give it a shot. There's a couple non-devs taking a look at the bootloader and stuff. Just picking at it. Seeing what does what. Who knows. It could happen.
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Well I agree I'm just being realistic here. With any trial and errors there will always be failure, while there may be a triumph I just don't think any will work
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You're not going to get an unlocked bootloader unless you have a mole inside Verizon or Samsung. , but I am surprised that no one has created a safe strap method for this device.
I thought there is one in developers section. Am I missing something?
DigitalMD said:
You're not going to get an unlocked bootloader unless you have a mole inside Verizon or Samsung. , but I am surprised that no one has created a safe strap method for this device.
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I thought there is one in developers section. Am I missing something?
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You are missing something, unless you are on the 4.3 locked bootloader , there is a 4.4.2 beta safestrap but no official build and very few ROMs.
If they have used the same method as they did for the S4, Note 3 and S5 then it is very doubtful you will get an unlock method as SRDs and RDs have tried to unlock them with no success. You should consider either changing carrier or changing to a phone that is unlocked or can be unlocked. I doubt there is enough hackers to send a proper message to Verizon because the locked bootloader combined with Knox is attractive to the Exchange customers consisting of the military and corporate America...big bucks for big Red.
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If they have used the same method as they did for the S4, Note 3 and S5 then it is very doubtful you will get an unlock method as SRDs and RDs have tried to unlock them with no success. You should consider either changing carrier or changing to a phone that is unlocked or can be unlocked. I doubt there is enough hackers to send a proper message to Verizon because the locked bootloader combined with Knox is attractive to the Exchange customers consisting of the military and corporate America...big bucks for big Red.
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Completely agree.
Development is essentially dead on the S3 if you are on 4.4. Safestrap isn't even an attractive option because you can't run a rom without the 4.4 stock kernel. You have to rely on only touchwiz roms running kitkat only. Not too many developers are going to be around who would develop such a rom. This is also unique to the Verizon variant, which makes it particularly difficult for other developers from different variants trying to help out. Extremely annoying.
There are huge bounty threads for the S5 and S4 threads trying to get bootloader unlocked. I guarantee that capable devs are trying everything they can, but bootloader hacking is expensive and difficult as a lot of hardware or low level exploits can irreversibly hard brick a phone. Devs usually only have one phone, and simply can't afford to guess on the correct exploit to prevent an irreversible brick.
For example, the devs who unlocked the bootloader on the HTC m8 said they burnt through some phones in order to get the bootloader unlocked. They never said exactly how many phones, but I certainly believe them. To pay for the cost of the devices, they are charging $25 per device for their sunshine app to unlock the bootloader . You could agree with this approach or not, but considering how expensive and dangerous the process is I think the cost is completely justified. Plus it keeps them making exploits continuously throughout the life of the device.
I think a lot of people just think that these exploits aren't as dangerous as they actually are. As a comparison, achieving root has way less of a chance of bricking a device so 1 phone per developer is enough. It's simply looking for a way to inject a file in the system partition, and if it fails then nothing happens. Unlocking a bootloader is a completely different story, and something that takes an immense amount of research and understanding before an unlocking is even attempted. If you miss with a bootloader exploit, then that phone is gone, JTAG won't even fix it.
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Yeah, I think we only have a few options at this point:
1. Stay on 4.3 TW and keep an unlocked BL
2. AOSP 4.4 and keel ublcked BL
3. Lock your device with 4.4 TW
4. Ditch VZW.
Id be shocked if his phone gets unlocked for all of the reasons peoole have stated above. I think people forget that this devoce was only unlocked to begin with due to a leak -- the original security was never cracked and it has only gotten more difficult. Maybe if it was 2 years ago we would have a shot, but it is looking more and more like the ship has sailed.
#4 is looking better and better.
Well here's some good news.
Dan Rosenberg released a proof of concept tz exploit that works on a myriad of devices.
The s3 isn't listed, but it might work on it anyway. Keep looking in the s4 forums for an exploit to come out soon. It definitely won't work on the s5.
If you guys are lucky, the s4 exploit will work on the S3. Don't take any system updates from Verizon until this is ironed out, could mean an unlocked bootloader for everybody.
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Well here's some good news.
Dan Rosenberg released a proof of concept tz exploit that works on a myriad of devices.
The s3 isn't listed, but it might work on it anyway. Keep looking in the s4 forums for an exploit to come out soon. It definitely won't work on the s5.
If you guys are lucky, the s4 exploit will work on the S3. Don't take any system updates from Verizon until this is ironed out, could mean an unlocked bootloader for everybody.
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wow great news I won't then keep this close & see what becomes of this
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Yeah, I think we only have a few options at this point:
1. Stay on 4.3 TW and keep an unlocked BL
2. AOSP 4.4 and keel ublcked BL
3. Lock your device with 4.4 TW
4. Ditch VZW.
Id be shocked if his phone gets unlocked for all of the reasons peoole have stated above. I think people forget that this devoce was only unlocked to begin with due to a leak -- the original security was never cracked and it has only gotten more difficult. Maybe if it was 2 years ago we would have a shot, but it is looking more and more like the ship has sailed.
#4 is looking better and better.
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#1 is incorrect cause it's locked also only 4.1.2 has unlocked BL
astonmartin214 said:
wow great news I won't then keep this close & see what becomes of this
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#1 is incorrect cause it's locked also only 4.1.2 has unlocked BL
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#1 is correct. Check the S3 android development section and you will find several ROMs based on 4.3 ML1. If you had an unlocked bootloader on 4.1.2, you could flash one of these ROMs and keep the unlocked bootloader. As long as you didn't take the OTA to 4.3 ML1, your bootloader was still unlocked. Before I switched to an S5, my S3 was running the latest wicked sensations ROM based on 4.3 ML1, and my bootloader was still unlocked.
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#1 is correct. Check the S3 android development section and you will find several ROMs based on 4.3 ML1. If you had an unlocked bootloader on 4.1.2, you could flash one of these ROMs and keep the unlocked bootloader. As long as you didn't take the OTA to 4.3 ML1, your bootloader was still unlocked. Before I switched to an S5, my S3 was running the latest wicked sensations ROM based on 4.3 ML1, and my bootloader was still unlocked.
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okay my mistake thought it was locked also thank you for clearing that up
well now I think there could be light at the end of the tunnel for 4.4.2 BL unlocking
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Well here's some good news.
Dan Rosenberg released a proof of concept tz exploit that works on a myriad of devices.
The s3 isn't listed, but it might work on it anyway. Keep looking in the s4 forums for an exploit to come out soon. It definitely won't work on the s5.
If you guys are lucky, the s4 exploit will work on the S3. Don't take any system updates from Verizon until this is ironed out, could mean an unlocked bootloader for everybody.
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Do you have a link where I could check this out?
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Do you have a link where I could check this out?
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2500826
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landshark68 said:
#1 is correct. Check the S3 android development section and you will find several ROMs based on 4.3 ML1. If you had an unlocked bootloader on 4.1.2, you could flash one of these ROMs and keep the unlocked bootloader. As long as you didn't take the OTA to 4.3 ML1, your bootloader was still unlocked. Before I switched to an S5, my S3 was running the latest wicked sensations ROM based on 4.3 ML1, and my bootloader was still unlocked.
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Didn't know you already upgraded to an S5. How is it?
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Didn't know you already upgraded to an S5. How is it?
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S5 is great. Noticeable difference over the S3. Overall size is pretty close to the S3, but the screen size is noticeably bigger. And the screen is so much brighter, crisper, clearer, and more vibrant. Battery life with the S5 blows the S3 away. 2800 mAh battery instead of a 2100 mAh battery, and the radios must be better also because I actually get a signal in my office when I never got one on the S3. Pictures on the camera seem to be much better, especially when using the "beauty" feature. I haven't even rooted it because everything is working so well.
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S5 is great. Noticeable difference over the S3. Overall size is pretty close to the S3, but the screen size is noticeably bigger. And the screen is so much brighter, crisper, clearer, and more vibrant. Battery life with the S5 blows the S3 away. 2800 mAh battery instead of a 2100 mAh battery, and the radios must be better also because I actually get a signal in my office when I never got one on the S3. Pictures on the camera seem to be much better, especially when using the "beauty" feature. I haven't even rooted it because everything is working so well.
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Haha, exact same with me. I unlocked my bootloader and I'm still running this thing unrooted. I don't see much of a reason to root right now except for titanium backup. These latest batches of phones are pretty awesome.
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I have heard that there will be a SafeStrap build that will allow kernels to be install through some space-time thingy that a newb like me wouldn't understand. If all of you want to read about it, here you go: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2500826&page=162
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I have heard that there will be a SafeStrap build that will allow kernels to be install through some space-time thingy that a newb like me wouldn't understand. If all of you want to read about it, here you go: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2500826&page=162
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They are talking about using kexec which as I understand it will allow use a kernel module (called kexec) to bootstrap to another kernel, allowing the bootloader to stay locked but use other complete non-samsung based roms.
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They are talking about using kexec which as I understand it will allow use a kernel module (called kexec) to bootstrap to another kernel, allowing the bootloader to stay locked but use other complete non-samsung based roms.
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This is true. If you haven't been keeping up with this thread, it's the location of the last light for unlocking/exploiting our bootloader. Try to keep discussion and even praise in there to a minimum to allow maximum visibility between developer posts and progress.
^In other words stay out of their way and let the devs work their magic.
God I hope they find something. I can't remember the last time I flashed a kernel.
Cool! Sure hope they find a way
Youd think, with Samsung's profits down , hopefully sammy will consider opening tha bootloader and allowing enthusiasts to buy their phones, even if they give us a way to do it by tripping Knox after all the phone so old who cares about Knox
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Cool! Sure hope they find a way
Youd think, with Samsung's profits down , hopefully sammy will consider opening tha bootloader and allowing enthusiasts to buy their phones, even if they give us a way to do it by tripping Knox after all the phone so old who cares about Knox
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I wouldn't hold my breath, it's not Samsung who is forcing us to have a locked bootloader. It's the carriers, specifically AT&T and Verizon in this case who asked Samsung to lock the device as part of the contract to sell them on their network. This is the reason why the T-Mobile S4, Canadian I337m, and of course the international S4 don't have a locked bootloader..
Stupid question maybe, but where are all the roms? Has the Verizon S6 not been rooted yet? I'm assuming that is why......?
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Stupid question maybe, but where are all the roms? Has the Verizon S6 not been rooted yet? I'm assuming that is why......?
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You are correct. There is no root for the Verizon S6, the international has root and ROMs but not us.
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You are correct. There is no root for the Verizon S6, the international has root and ROMs but not us.
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:crying::crying::crying:
Currently no root, likely never will be. See Verizon Note 4 forums if you wanna know what it will be like to own a Verizon s6
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Currently no root, likely never will be. See Verizon Note 4 forums if you wanna know what it will be like to own a Verizon s6
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I hate to be a stick in the mud but I agree. Especially since this phone is on lollipop. The N4 might have a chance on KK but I don't see that happening soon either. On the bright side this S6 is running great the way it is and has some nice features so I'm thankful for that.
You know I used to root to get decent performance of of a lagging phone, but I'm not sure I'm missing root that much. Now granted there are a few apps that I miss from no root. But I think I can live without root on this phone at the moment. Subject to change to
I'd love root for the ability to theme (theme store themes are garbage) as well as the ability too add things that should have never been removed. Stock browser, smart manager, etc.
Side note, I really hate that I can't draw on pics/screenshots like I could on my Note 3/4 and my s5. Samsung removes features I use in favor of what? /rant off
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Currently no root, likely never will be. See Verizon Note 4 forums if you wanna know what it will be like to own a Verizon s6
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Why do you say it will "likely not be rooted"? Is Lollipop that much harder for the devs to root or something? Or is support dwindling?
I need root mainly because I need to be able to tether for my job on a daily basis and I'm not about to dish out even more $ to VZW.....my unlimited data is my unlimited data and I'll use it how I please.
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Why do you say it will "likely not be rooted"? Is Lollipop that much harder for the devs to root or something? Or is support dwindling?
I need root mainly because I need to be able to tether for my job on a daily basis and I'm not about to dish out even more $ to VZW.....my unlimited data is my unlimited data and I'll use it how I please.
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I heard FoxFi works for this without root.
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I heard FoxFi works for this without root.
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Not sure if I would wanna trust that. I would feel safer being rooted. What's the next best device I can get and will be able to root/rom etc? I'm thinking wait for the G4?
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Why do you say it will "likely not be rooted"? Is Lollipop that much harder for the devs to root or something? Or is support dwindling?
I need root mainly because I need to be able to tether for my job on a daily basis and I'm not about to dish out even more $ to VZW.....my unlimited data is my unlimited data and I'll use it how I please.
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Ever since the Mid Galaxy S4 area rooting has been pretty much useless anyway. The most I can do with a rooted S5 is flash lightened TW software which I can do on a non rooted phone. You can flash anything like Cyanogen or custom kernels so rooting now a days is pointless. With that said though it would still be cool if we could
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Ever since the Mid Galaxy S4 area rooting has been pretty much useless anyway. The most I can do with a rooted S5 is flash lightened TW software which I can do on a non rooted phone. You can flash anything like Cyanogen or custom kernels so rooting now a days is pointless. With that said though it would still be cool if we could
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This is not entirely true and depends on your usage. I use automation apps and without root, you don't have the ability to turn on and off GPS, Data, etc. There are other benefits to root as well such as ad blocking.
chrisj22 said:
Ever since the Mid Galaxy S4 area rooting has been pretty much useless anyway. The most I can do with a rooted S5 is flash lightened TW software which I can do on a non rooted phone. You can flash anything like Cyanogen or custom kernels so rooting now a days is pointless. With that said though it would still be cool if we could
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And how exactly can you flash CM with locked bl and no root available?
SotYPL said:
And how exactly can you flash CM with locked bl and no root available?
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I think he meant to say you can't flash those because of locked bootloader
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And how exactly can you flash CM with locked bl and no root available?
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Yes I am wondering how tf that is possible also, lol........
Its three weeks in guys it'll gain popularity and will be rooted and most likely unlocked. Its hard to think this would be the first galaxy that isn't. Its not a low legacy device
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Its three weeks in guys it'll gain popularity and will be rooted and most likely unlocked. Its hard to think this would be the first galaxy that isn't. Its not a low legacy device
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As far as I know, the Verizon Note 4 still doesn't have root.
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You will never the get VZ S6 bootloader unlock.
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Poloasis said:
You will never the get VZ S6 bootloader unlock.
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Agreed. The S4 bootloader was never unlocked after the first firmware update.
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I miss root only for the fact that I grew to depend on Titanium Backup Pro to set up multiple profiles for apps on my device. Was super handy for all the games I played that I had different accounts for...
Sorry, but I have searched, and can't find a direct answer, is 5.1.1 rooted for Verizon?
Where can I find the guide if it is.
Currently I am rooted on 5.02, have been delaying any OTA since purchase, rooted using Ping Pong
Thanks in advance
Anxiously awaiting this myself...I do know that Verizon locked the bootloader on or before 5.1.1 and as far as I know there is no root...yet.
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It does not exist. Not even the top rom makers and programers have been able to do it. The 5.1.1 update will also make it so you can't go backwards to 5.0.2. This is the first time since I've owned cell phones that I've seen a company finally beat the cell phone gurus but they finally did it on this one. However if you are not on Verizon or AT&T you can still do it through ODIN.
So if you have a phone pre 5.1.1 that rootable and root it...will you be able to flash 5.1.1?
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TommyRox said:
So if you have a phone pre 5.1.1 that rootable and root it...will you be able to flash 5.1.1?
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Only if you want to lose root.
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I assumed that's where we are...unfortunately.
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S7 will be coming out in 4 months. I doubt S6 will get it.
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It does not exist. Not even the top rom makers and programers have been able to do it. The 5.1.1 update will also make it so you can't go backwards to 5.0.2. This is the first time since I've owned cell phones that I've seen a company finally beat the cell phone gurus but they finally did it on this one. However if you are not on Verizon or AT&T you can still do it through ODIN.
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s4 beat the cell phone gurus... Technically... MDK was unlocked, nothing after that was.
s5 has also never had a bootloader unlock..
Lots of Verizon phones don't have much, root at most....
XxD34THxX said:
s4 beat the cell phone gurus... Technically... MDK was unlocked, nothing after that was.
s5 has also never had a bootloader unlock..
Lots of Verizon phones don't have much, root at most....
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S5 bootloader has been unlocked.
The video of proof is on YouTube.
It has not been released but I'm sure it will soon. Once that is released it should open things up for the S6.
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unctucker said:
S5 bootloader has been unlocked.
The video of proof is on YouTube.
It has not been released but I'm sure it will soon. Once that is released it should open things up for the S6.
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From what I've read, whoever unlocked it posted that they weren't going to release it. Did I hear wrong?
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unctucker said:
S5 bootloader has been unlocked.
The video of proof is on YouTube.
It has not been released but I'm sure it will soon. Once that is released it should open things up for the S6.
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It will not be released ever. That has been said a few times. It uses(from what I have heard) a Zero Day exploit, meaning it's very damn complicated, and it has a high chance of bricking people's phones. That was never meant to go to the general public. It was aimed at other devs. It's a proof of concept, meaning it CAN be unlocked, just not through that way.
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It will not be released ever. That has been said a few times. It uses(from what I have heard) a Zero Day exploit, meaning it's very damn complicated, and it has a high chance of bricking people's phones. That was never meant to go to the general public. It was aimed at other devs. It's a proof of concept, meaning it CAN be unlocked, just not through that way.
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0 day exploits are OS vulnerabilities that the manufacturer themselves aren't aware of. It doesn't necessarily mean that exploit itself has a high chance of bricking the phone.
Not releasing the method could be any number if things. These reasons could range from stolen proprietary source code being used to the exploit's author deciding that he doesn't feel like sharing the method.
I heard that the team that found the method said that they would NOT release it at the moment but that in the future it will be available.
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I just want all the bloat ware removed.
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Jesustheheretic said:
0 day exploits are OS vulnerabilities that the manufacturer themselves aren't aware of. It doesn't necessarily mean that exploit itself has a high chance of bricking the phone.
Not releasing the method could be any number if things. These reasons could range from stolen proprietary source code being used to the exploit's author deciding that he doesn't feel like sharing the method.
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I know that it may not have a high chance of bricking the device, but with the device, I assume it is thanks to shenanigans with Verizon and Knox. I have already discussed legal issues briefly in the s4 bootloader thread... Damn Money Sucking Lawyers. It is what it is. I think it has given some people hope because there IS A WAY... Just maybe not that way.
Maybe hope yet just pay this on google plus not sure if our verizon variant will benefit from this method so correct me if I am wrong but take a look any how.
Edit: for some reason it won't let me post a screen shot but surfing g plus I came across chainfires new su beta that is systemless and confirmed working on stock s6 running android 5.1.1
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MIKEYSAKZ said:
Maybe hope yet just pay this on google plus not sure if our verizon variant will benefit from this method so correct me if I am wrong but take a look any how.
Edit: for some reason it won't let me post a screen shot but surfing g plus I came across chainfires new su beta that is systemless and confirmed working on stock s6 running android 5.1.1
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Well crap, should of waited til 6.0 was out on s6... :crying:
MIKEYSAKZ said:
Maybe hope yet just pay this on google plus not sure if our verizon variant will benefit from this method so correct me if I am wrong but take a look any how.
Edit: for some reason it won't let me post a screen shot but surfing g plus I came across chainfires new su beta that is systemless and confirmed working on stock s6 running android 5.1.1
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Working on stock s6 with 5.1.1?! Come on man, you gotta give us more information.
redrol said:
Working on stock s6 with 5.1.1?! Come on man, you gotta give us more information.
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It's in the news. Said stock 5.1.1.
redrol said:
Working on stock s6 with 5.1.1?! Come on man, you gotta give us more information.
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I am pretty sure this is what he is referring to:
http://www.xda-developers.com/update-to-snapprefs-xposed-module-includes-17-instagram-like-filters/
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=64161125&postcount=3
No one tried yet?
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