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Nowadays, there are many kinds of spy phone, especially is iPhone. How to anti spy software because it's completely undetectable.
Some famous spy phone software are: omegaspy,flexispy,spybubBle... They are dangerous software for our own individual information. I think we must find a way to anti them
No one cares about the iPhone.
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Don't get caught …
check if the spy software you want to use is really invisible at BOSSPY.COM
USER GUIDE INSTALLATION youtube.com/watch?v=SjrrLW-6NBc
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This Bosspy is not at all what it appears to be. At first I thought everything was going well, but after the installation I found that many of the features did not work. For example I never got the phone calls that were recorded to play properly. One or two of them played and the rest are just plain empty. I never got the feature for listening to the phone's surroundings to function at all. Then the text and call logs would show up hours late. I emailed customer service over 20 times trying to get this resolved and they only replied with canned answers that made it seem as if they were not really reading my questions and trying to address my problems. If you buy this spy phone software just BEWARE it is not very reliable and the support service is horrible. Use copy10 tested safe and very good customer service
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All about free spy apps popping out like bossy, hellospy, Innova spy etc. are potentially dangerous specially on our privacy. Because its one man army, the same guy who authored the software, set up a malicious website, set up a clickbank cart. Don't just trust this software I would recommend copy10 it is safe and has a big reputation .
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restore the phone to factory settings will remove any spy phone apps.
I just need to vent. I'm a fairly active developer for the android platform. I've created a number of kernel patches and applications that I have released at no charge to the community for about 10 or so devices.
All this I do in my "spare time", which I have very little of because I am a full time professional student who takes on 32 credit hour semesters.
Recently, since my 1994 geo prizm is literally falling apart and I was hoping to scrounge together a little bit of money to get a new car so I don't end up stranded on my way to class, I decided to release a paid application. Fastcharge / Force AC toggle which allows you to toggle on and off the force AC feature. A feature which I have personally implemented and released source patches for on a number of devices.
Not only in every thread where I released the patch on a device did I write up how to toggle the feature through the command line, but I also stated that I also implemented a toggle into my completely free application that you can also download from the market, IncrediControl.
In good faith and knowing how annoying licensing is, I elected to not include licensing in my application. This is a huge regret.
Within a couple days of releasing the application to the market I googled it to see if anyone was talking about it. One of the first links was to a piracy site where a user was requesting the widget, to which another user obliged and posted the apk to a filesharing site. Doing something I never though I would have to do, I filed a DMCA takedown request, which was answered quickly and the app was taken down. Monitoring the thread, every single time a link gets taken down, another user requests the app and the original user reuploads it, most recently to 11 different sites.
So now, after filing dozens of takedown requests. This user has decided to unzip my apk, change out the artwork, and now is going around releasing it as his own work.
Really, all this to avoid paying $1.50 (only ~$1 of it actually going to me) to an individual whose yearly income is low enough that he doesn't have to file taxes?
This disgusts me.
This is even worse than the 50% "order cancellation rate" that the widget has. I'm not stupid, I know exactly what users are doing, but yet initially I was willing to ignore it. But this has gone too far.
What is even the point of pissing off a developer so much that he is considering saying screw the platform all together? It doesn't even make sense. We, the developers improve your devices, generally at little or no cost, and this is how we're repaid. With ~50% of current users of the application having pirated it. To avoid paying just over $1.
Now before someone even counters with the "my area doesn't support paid applications" argument I've actually gladly GIVEN the widget away to a number of users who casually mentioned in the release threads that they couldn't download it for this reason. Not to mention, everyone knows there are apps that unlock the market in these areas to be able to purchase apps.
How much more generous can a developer be than to provide source code patches for a feature, provide information on how to toggle the feature, provide a COMPLETELY FREE way to toggle the feature, and then charge a measly $1.50 for a secondary, slightly more convenient way to toggle.
Yet he's repaid like this .
Of course, this must suck for a developer like you. Unfortunately, it seems to happen more and more often, and all I can really say is:
I would gladly pay a few bucks for an application like IC or BootManager. That BootManager seemed really interesting, but we can't buy apps from the Play Store without CC (and as a 16-year old, I don't have one). I asked the developer if he accepted Paypal, but he didn't.
Don't get me wrong, and this is not an attack to you personally: developers, if you made something really nice, and people will like it, 70% of the people will gladly pay for it, just make sure you allow them to.
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70% of the people will gladly pay for it, just make sure you allow them to.
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I honestly thought this was the case. It's really not. The problem is much worse than that. If 70% of users in the root community paid for apps it would be astonishing. Its made pretty clear by the number of users who download the app, back it up and then cancel the order.
If a 16 year old kid had made me that offer, the e-mail reply I sent would have the apk attached.
Well, that is a real flaw of Android: tweakability is really impressing, but these things make it really difficult to earn some money as a developer.
We have been thinking about anti-piracy measures as well, with stuff such as authentication with a server, and locking down the code and verifying integrity of APKs and stuff to make sure it's really hard to mess with the code, but it's just sad that there's a need for these measures..
The trouble is everything has piracy right from movies to game consoles through to mobiles and music.
I mean the iPhones appstore would be a hell of a lot bigger if there was no jailbreaking and installous.
Every platform has been cracked so you'll get it regardless of what you develop for.
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I think you know you just needed to vent but can I change your picture.
There are some people in this world who just don't buy the idea of an idea as property. That's not compatible with this business model. That's the first problem.
The next problem is that
there's a million and one apps out there and which one are we going to choose? Where does it start, where does it end? We all have our limits. What's yours?
For me, the app has to be something very unique and possible generate me cash. For example something I use every day at work. If it's something that the phone should do anyway I tend to skip it and save the $1 for the next phone that does it out of the box. Your app is a great thing, but there's many utility apps out there. It just doesn't fall into the kind of thing I'd cave my strict budgeting for. There are people here with a 1000 apps installed and you expect them to pay $1000 in this sense.
Another way would be having utility in the cloud and then the app is free. Another one of course, advertising.
The difference with both of these is we don't need to risk a credit card with the market. That's the main reason I personally haven't bought many apps and I'd imagine it's a problem for minors too.
The very community that allowed us to create the app fails to pay for it's products is like life itself.
I'd say make something for the iphone instead because there's more profit there but that would never have been possible, see what I'm saying? That's the 3rd problem.
So you've got 3 problems there all converging into one big push towards piracy. But remember, can your app assure security that the pirated version cannot for example? This is how one has to think.
In short,
you can't do something and hope to make a bit from it on the side. You got to go out from the start and get the money aspect central from the start. I mean, that's business and of course that's exactly what the android community works hard to free us from.
Still, summarising those 3 points for suggestion:
- offer something free things can't (i.e. security, brand etc) For example, I never run pirated stuff for fear of insecurity on my data whereas I'll try out software that way on an old PC
- can always put a service in the cloud aka the javascript trap
- iphone is there if you want...
- needs to "the one app" a certain person would pay for, not something everyone likes
Also just to make that point again, if one does not believe in property then inconveniently there is no moral crime here. I suggest learn to live with this and go with the flow
I hope google sells PlayStore cards (like itunes cards) that allows user to buy apps, music, movies, books without a credit card. I really want to buy some amazing apps but i dont have a credit card so i just use free apps. I think that if u cant buy an app that cant be a reason to piracy or sidedownload that app.
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For me, the app has to be something very unique and possible generate me cash. For example something I use every day at work. If it's something that the phone should do anyway I tend to skip it and save the $1 for the next phone that does it out of the box. Your app is a great thing, but there's many utility apps out there. It just doesn't fall into the kind of thing I'd cave my strict budgeting for. There are people here with a 1000 apps installed and you expect them to pay $1000 in this sense.
Another way would be having utility in the cloud and then the app is free. Another one of course, advertising.
The difference with both of these is we don't need to risk a credit card with the market. That's the main reason I personally haven't bought many apps and I'd imagine it's a problem for minors too.
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The feature is 100% unique and so is the widget. Not to mention, if you didn't want to pay the $1, I provided a free way to toggle the feature in the utility app. The point is, that there is nothing forcing people to pay for the widget to use the feature. But instead of using the free option provided, they not only pirate the paid app, but edit the artwork and release it for free as their own. It defies logic.
Also, ad based apps don't work with the rooted community. I learned that early on. Myfree utility app is ad supported. With over 40,000 installs you would think it would make even a dollar a day. Nope, makes nearly nothing. That's when I realized that the same niche I was marketing to are the same people who block ads. Even if someone didn't want to block ads, they can't install a single ROM that doesn't include an ad blocking hosts file out of the box.
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[...] How much more generous can a developer be than to provide source code patches for a feature, provide information on how to toggle the feature, provide a COMPLETELY FREE way to toggle the feature, and then charge a measly $1.50 for a secondary, slightly more convenient way to toggle.
Yet he's repaid like this .
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Be sure you're looking at all sides. Yes, you're in a losing war with guys intent on pirating your app. You can't stop them, and well, you goofed on the licensing, so someone will no doubt release the clone.
First of all, don't do the Big Media thing and assume that everybody that pirates your app would have paid for it if it hadn't been available. A lot of folks collect, or just try something once. You'll only work yourself into a funk thinking about all that money you "would" have if only they hadn't been able to pirate it. They wouldn't have. At least not all of them.
More importantly, be aware that placing something out there with value does reach folks that otherwise would have no idea of you or your plight. More than once, I've purchased an app that I don't really need, but found clever and cheap enough I can buy it without thinking about the investment. I've spent more on Android software at $1-15 over the last year than I did over the last 25+ at $30-100 a pop. I've only refunded an app once, by accident.
Finally, be up front about your situation. A guy trying to make do does influence my impulse buying. So does his reputation. If you're doing a lot, be sure that's clear on your app page, and let us know clearly you're the guy that also brought us whatever.
I am curious, though: How much did you actually bring in?
Chad- thanks for telling your story, I agree that you have every right to be disappointed. Especially the buying and refunding, that to me send almost worse because you can't stop dedicated pirating, but I would have hoped the rest would have bought the app.
It's easy to forget the human side of development, so thanks for sharing your side.
Jesus christ Chad. This is f$%&*#@ ridiculous. Probably the best and most generous kernel dev I have ever come into contact with, and people are cheating you out of 1.50. Please don't abandon Android. I need kernels when I get my rezound! but in all seriousness, warez needs to stop.
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Yep. Sucks. After getting serious about android , which wasn't too far in, joining with a nexus one and seeing all the free HARD work we get, I definitely try buying stuff I use. If I can't pay sometimes I will see if dev does something else I can donate to. Its an issue I've thought about and part of it really boils down to how sorry people are in general. They want free and cheap. $1 is laughable even when it can be easily had for free. You really should market yourself a bit even though you don't want to. And people should really put a complimentary $5 or so budget a month or more and try to support devs. Maybe if you have something he gave free but has an app you won't use for a buck, buy the dollar app and uninstall after the 15 minute period. Or throw him a 5 through PayPal or something. Its simple really. If these devs don't have to resort to ramen and water they keep dev'ing especially for the community supporting him or her. And if they're eating vegetables and have plenty of red bull money it gives them wings. Otoh, the devs that make us pay to reinstall an app after we bought it on another or lost our phone suck. Balls. Won't buys theirs anymore.
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Maybe you should implement a system like some developers do where you download the app for free with a time limited trail, then they would go to another website to pay for the app to unlock it, and the unlock codes would be unique for every user which would minimize piracy.
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I hope google sells PlayStore cards (like itunes cards) that allows user to buy apps, music, movies, books without a credit card. I really want to buy some amazing apps but i dont have a credit card so i just use free apps. I think that if u cant buy an app that cant be a reason to piracy or sidedownload that app.
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In the Netherlands we have prepaid Visa card.
Works well.
Maybe you google something similar in your own country.
(3V prepaid Visa cards)
That does suck but if someone wants to pirate an app even licencing doesn't stop them as there is an app that apparently patches licence checks.
It is so easy for even a non root and new user to find cracked apps, I have seen links on here and even on peoples facebook sites, it's got to the point where people can just browse a webpage and click a link to get the cracked version of an app.
Unfortunately if someone wants to crack it they can. Unless you could implement your own security check somehow, something obfuscated in the code, licencing is the only alternative as it would stop people using backed up cancelled versions at least.
Unfortunately it seems a lot of people just don't want to pay for apps.
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also have to look at both sides. some people just refuse to pay for **** whatever it is, or get it as cheaply as they can. being android apps, the free route is how they're going to go. but the other side, you hsould be grateful for all the people that do pay. they're the ones helping keeping google, open source, android and everything in between chugging along. open source is the future and you can tell every corporation i said that. and thanks for you your work even though i've never used it.
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Also just to make that point again, if one does not believe in property then inconveniently there is no moral crime here. I suggest learn to live with this and go with the flow
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There is plenty to disagree with in your post as it all seems like an attempt at rationalizing ways to get around the system. This last statement is a ridiculous attempt at summarizing why stealing is OK. Your morals don't define the crime, the law does. Stealing property, physical or intellectual, is not legal and not right regardless of your morals or lack of.
Chad,
I am sorry to hear of your products' abuse. I used your kernels all the time on my Incredible devices and bought IncrediControl to support development. I have purchased many applications just to support development and believe that is the way to get high quality applications.
Piracy is just so damn easy on Android. I know ppl that are doing it who I wouldn't even expect to be doing such a thing. This guy I know love android only because he can get everything free by just googling the apk.
awww thats sad i feel really bad for you!
I've used pre paid visa debit cards to buy apps. You can find them in Any money shop like Cheque cashing places for example. You can even just stick a dicky diver (£5) on them. Perfect for situations like this
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Do any one of you guys have friends that don't pay for apps (ie. try to get them illegally)
I have a friend that recently converted from an iPhone to Android platform (Galaxy S3), he finally saw the light and converted! However, he constantly tries to get cracked apps on his phone. Because when he had the iphone, he jailbroke it and just downloaded apps for his iPhone for free.
I tried telling him that sites that have cracked apps are probably virus laden and that he should support developers efforts, but he's the type that doesn't care about developers just as long as he can save money.
There's probably nothing I can do to change his mind. I just wanted to rant. Also, I wanted to find out if anyone else out there has similar experiences with their friends.
I have bought a few apps but I don't mind ad supported stuff so I do have quite a few "free" apps as well. I don't use adfree or ad-aware or any of those types. I definitely am against people stealing apps as that will hurt all of us in the long run.
So your friend can buy a new top range phone but cant pay $1-2 for apps?
People like that really annoy me, the android community is much more about supporting its developers (well at least in XDA anyway) and the best way to do this is either using ad supported apps (and giving the odd click) or buying the paid version!
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Reported. 7 posts all with a few if not only 1 word.
>.< STOP SPAMMING THE BOARDS >.<
Karma will get these people as most cracked apps come with keyloggers built into them. When he realizes it then it will be to late.
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That's sad... My main beef with PC software is that companies like Microsoft and Adobe seem to think their software is worth the price of a cheap used car! I would never "crack" anything that was actually reasonably priced! Most phone apps are so cheap, that only someone with absolutely no morals at all would try and "steal" them. Hell, even if you can't pay a buck, almost all apps have free, ad supported versions!
Yep I got friends who do it, and I chew them out on a regular basis, just like I do about pirating movies, music, or PC software. People don't realize it seems that without us buying this stuff people won't make more of it. They say "Well there are other people a lot better off then I am who can pay for it." I guess I don't get the difference between downloading a movie or app without paying for it and something more drastic like stealing a car, I mean yes the value is quite a bit different, but you are still taking something that doesn't belong to you.
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That's sad... My main beef with PC software is that companies like Microsoft and Adobe seem to think their software is worth the price of a cheap used car! I would never "crack" anything that was actually reasonably priced! Most phone apps are so cheap, that only someone with absolutely no morals at all would try and "steal" them. Hell, even if you can't pay a buck, almost all apps have free, ad supported versions!
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But how is that any different? You are still taking something that BELONGS to someone else. It's stealing no matter the price. I guess maybe I'm old fashioned, but I worked my butt off for every dollar, app, piece of software, movie, MP3, or any other item I own. In my mind if I can't afford to pay for it then I don't need it too badly.
You should always pay for apps.
If it's some overpriced junk, you shouldn't download it in the first place.
Thats what made me fall in love with the android cmunty wen I had a I phone I found all I phone cmunty are driven to piracy I don't get it if you can buy such a expensive device you don't need to steal
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I dont pay for apps all the time because i know i wont use them more then once.
Apps that i use on an regular base i just buy!
**** U CAPTCHA!!!!!!!!
looking for some keylogger apps for android (galaxy note) which can run under stealth mode.
lots of result can be found on google but all dead link, any suggestion?
Suggestions? Yeah, don't spy on your girlfriend
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Suggestions? Yeah, don't spy on your girlfriend
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Yeah a phone is not primarily meant to be used by other people.. So whats the point of spying yourself? unless you install it on your phone and let others use it so you can get their info and everything..
why do you need it?
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may be easier to find a new girlfriend at Google.
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garytako said:
looking for some keylogger apps for android (galaxy note) which can run under stealth mode.
lots of result can be found on google but all dead link, any suggestion?
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How much would you trust a random keylogger found on google? It would be easy for someone with malicious intents to include a malware in that keylogger that would send everything on a server or pastebin.
It's not a good thing to spy on people, even using your phone, and it may be illegal in some states/countries, but your best bet would be to make one all by yourself, using a keyboard application template.
for sure it's being used to catch cheating spouse, keylog mainly use to gather info and evidence before we getting divorce.
garytako said:
for sure it's being used to catch cheating spouse, keylog mainly use to gather info and evidence before we getting divorce.
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for that just check phone bill, you can see numbers and times somewhere, no need for keylogger for that.
anyway if in relationship with no trust, its not good anyways...
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Gary. Sorry you need it dude. Like others have said its a very dodgy thing to get. Unless it's from an A1 source you will have your bank details etc ripped.
I'd go the other way. Look for a call recording app, that can be set to record all calls, then use the setting in apps to hide it.
I got a recording app that picks up both sides but is not automatic. I'm sure there is one if you look.
As with both these methods in some States its illegal, &can get you in deep dodo ...
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Odp: Keylogger Apps for Android (Galaxy Note)
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Yes, call lists don't mean anything, she may cantact with her best girlfriend or work partner. Knowing the chat logs will really know what she has done behind you.
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Good time to reply
I think if you need a keylogger youre enfringing a persons privacy. How would you feel if someone uses that on you?
if there is doubt, there is no doubt, a relationship without trust is like a house build on quicksand
it will also not prove anything in court, cause it illegal
Not every one will think for others
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I think if you need a keylogger youre enfringing a persons privacy. How would you feel if someone uses that on you?
if there is doubt, there is no doubt, a relationship without trust is like a house build on quicksand
it will also not prove anything in court, cause it illegal
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I can't agree with you more, but one thing, not every one will think for others.
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I can't agree with you more, but one thing, not every one will think for others.
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Yes, now most forum users just provide the related-answer to the OP, won't think such kind of moral or law issues too much. I saw a lot of users offered iKeyMonitor android spy app for Samsung, which seems very famous in this field, but I don't think it is a good tool in catching a cheating spouse. The relationship can be broken up by using the tools. ikeymonitor.com
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looking for some keylogger apps for android (galaxy note) which can run under stealth mode.
lots of result can be found on google but all dead link, any suggestion?
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Your requirement is very easy to meet because there are so many keylogger apps online now! is one of the most powerful keyloggers that you can trust. , it is downloaded for free, just see it by yourself, I don't plan to post an ad to you.
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There was MobileSpy, but they operated under U.S. law, lost a case and notified all users they were being monitored and shared whatever data they had on the "installer" with the recipient. Mspy looks like it's going to go the same way soon. Assuming it's for legal purposes I would use the "new" A1 Keylogger is cool, they have always been offshore, been around since 2009 and the stuff works on Android, PC and pretty much everything. They are under a new name now, but it's the same developer.
We use some of their stuff as a network monitor, you can monitor 10 PC's in your office in one dashboard. So it makes an affordable monitor for those not big enough to have a server closet.
iKeyMonitor don't work...Stops logging and sending notifications for no reason
Keylogger is the best tactic for keeping your company record safe from hackers . By installing it in your PC may leads with many advantages such as you can monitor all the works done by the user from your computer because this software will track all the records in every single seconds.
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Hey guys! Is there anyway to deceive office so it thinks that our tablet screen size is between 7.0 to 10.1 ?!?! I don't know for example by editing build.prop or something else ?!? Do you know any way?!? Thanks.
If you're talking about MS Office, it's available for download for our tablet, directly from the Play Store and it works great. I've downloaded and installed it, and it's working fine. No editing of the build.prop needed.
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Hey OP, I just realized that you're in Iran...I'm not certain if it's available in the Play Store outside of the U.S., but have a look. I just don't know if it's a region-locked situation.
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If you're talking about MS Office, it's available for download for our tablet, directly from the Play Store and it works great. I've downloaded and installed it, and it's working fine. No editing of the build.prop needed.
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Hey OP, I just realized that you're in Iran...I'm not certain if it's available in the Play Store outside of the U.S., but have a look. I just don't know if it's a region-locked situation.
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Not true, if you own a note pro or any tablet larger than 10.1 a subscription to office 360 is required to edit and/or save documents.
We'll have to wait somebody to patch such programs....
Or you could just pay for it like you are supposed to.
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Or you could just pay for it like you are supposed to.
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wingdo said:
Or you could just pay for it like you are supposed to.
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Unfortunately i live in Iran and i don't have PayPal or Visa and such services to purchase office 365 subscription from a foreign website!! Because of that i was asking for a way to deceive it !!?
tdetroit said:
If you're talking about MS Office, it's available for download for our tablet, directly from the Play Store and it works great. I've downloaded and installed it, and it's working fine. No editing of the build.prop needed.
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Hey OP, I just realized that you're in Iran...I'm not certain if it's available in the Play Store outside of the U.S., but have a look. I just don't know if it's a region-locked situation.
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I don't have problem downloading it!! The problem is that editing and saving documents are free for 7.0 inch to 10.1 inch tablets and our tablet is 12.2 and we need office 365 subscription for it!!
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€120 ($140) for a word processing app that people with smaller devices can use for free? You must be joking.
If I wanted to get scammed, I'd have bought an iPad. As it stands, I'll just use Kingsoft, and Micro$oft can go rot in hell. I already paid 700 quid more for this tablet than a 10" tab costs, I will not pay 120 quid a month extra just because Micro$oft thinks it can squeeze some money out of us by discrimination.
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99 € for two to three letters a year?
Same here, not going to pay for this. Does paying for it allow saving files to the External Card? I think not.
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99 € for two to three letters a year?
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Same here, not going to pay for this. Does paying for it allow saving files to the External Card? I think not.
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So then don't use it. Just because you don't think it's worth the price asked is no reason to steal it. I use it on my Note Pro, and it's pretty much replaced my need for a laptop. To me that's worth the $ as Office 2013 is still pricey. IF you don't want to pay for it, use an alternative. It doesn't give people the right to not pay developers their asking price.
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treetopsranch said:
Same here, not going to pay for this. Does paying for it allow saving files to the External Card? I think not.
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BTW, to save to the external SD card (provided you of course are rooted so any program can write to the SD card),
Save As -> This Device -> storage (near bottom) -> extSdCard -> pick your folder.
I am inclined to believe that the 12-inch android tablets are flagged out since they're closer competition to the surface line of tablets. It is what it is. I too am disappointed that I have to pay but I'm doing so since the software does give me the compatibility that I need.
I don't have a smaller tablet so I'm not sure about this but does anyone know if the applications are identical or if on the larger tablets with paid services one gets more features?
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So then don't use it. Just because you don't think it's worth the price asked is no reason to steal it. I use it on my Note Pro, and it's pretty much replaced my need for a laptop. To me that's worth the $ as Office 2013 is still pricey. IF you don't want to pay for it, use an alternative. It doesn't give people the right to not pay developers their asking price.
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BTW, to save to the external SD card (provided you of course are rooted so any program can write to the SD card),
Save As -> This Device -> storage (near bottom) -> extSdCard -> pick your folder.
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And I won't spend so much money for the limited editing capabilities that a small screen allows. Did you compare that price with the cost of any other application in the market? and it's only an annual fee, or do you think to be able to produce large spreadsheets with a small screen? You can just do limited things and the only plus of Microsoft's application is the claimed compatibility that can be overridden switching to the odt format or saving in pdf.
So, for my needs, I'll stay on free applications and will install Microsoft when an hack will be available and will never adhere to that silly marketing politic of Microsoft.
That's the same reason why I rooted my device, as I can't understand why I must be subject to limitations for something that is claimed to be open.
wingdo said:
So then don't use it. Just because you don't think it's worth the price asked is no reason to steal it. I use it on my Note Pro, and it's pretty much replaced my need for a laptop. To me that's worth the $ as Office 2013 is still pricey. IF you don't want to pay for it, use an alternative. It doesn't give people the right to not pay developers their asking price.
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If they charged the same price for every other tablet on the market, we'd be fine with it.
At present only NotePro 12.2 and TabPro 12.2 users have to pay for this. Everyone else doesn't.
Giving it away for free to the largest market and only charging money to a select few doesn't make sense from a commercial point of view, no matter how I look at it.
This is discrimination, plain and simple. What's next, "only gays have to pay a subscription fee"?
Why do I get to use it for free on my TabPro 8.4, but not my NotePro that's lying next to it and is owned by the same person with the same account?
"Everyone can use this road for free, except people with red cars. Those have to pay 140 quid to use the road. Why? Just because we can, and people are dumb enough to swallow it."
If you're going to pay for something that's free for everyone else, you're just naive.
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This is the EXACT same policy they use with Windows tablets except the cutoff there is 9". You can in no way say the experience between an 8" Tab and a 12" note is the same. People forking over up to 2 grand on a Surface still need a 365 subscription. It's just the way they are moving.
I too would prefer it if Microsoft didn't charge for anything, but they have to make money. Something has to pay for the team who ported this. This isn't the same as rooting, rooting gives one control of their device. You are figuring out a way to get subscription software for free.
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You can in no way say the experience between an 8" Tab and a 12" note is the same.
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Actually, yes it is.
Unless you do actual serious layout work in word(lmfao), or professional work in Excel, chances are the most sophisticated thing you'll use is Bold, Italic and Underline, combined with a list.
If I intend to do any serious layout work, I'll use Indesign, and not something as ridiculously useless as Office.
Yes, I purchased the 1200 quid Adobe CS6 master collection. No, I refuse to pay 140 quid a year for a dumb text editor.
They make their money off the fact that the subscription is for the PC version of Office. They don't need the +-500 12.2" users to make up for the costs. That's petty cash.
The real money is in the corporate licenses, for which you need one for every user on every computer for every year. And it's 10 times the price of a home edition.
There is absolutely no difference between 8", 10" and 12" for ordinary text processing if you use a bluetooth keyboard. Those are pathetic excuses to make yourself feel better about having purchased it when everyone else didn't have to.
It's like those idiots in the US who, when offered the choice between a 200 quid and 800 quid identical phone, will go for the 800 quid phone so they can feel better about the quality of the product.
I'm in marketing, these naive sentiments are how we manipulate you lot into buying our products for 400% above the original price. And you all just keep falling for it, over and over and over again. We even got people to angrily defend our manipulations when they're confronted with it. Double win.
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At least we know where you stand.
Don't think MS Office is worth the money? Steal it.
Don't think a BMW is worth the money? Steal one.
Anyone with an .edu email address can get it for $80 every four years. There is a difference between saying that you can work just fine with Hancom Office instead of Microsoft Office as opposed to saying that you prefer Microsoft Office over Hancom but would rather figure out a way to bypass Microsoft's security code so you can use it without having to pay for it.
As far as the size difference, sorry but Word on the note is much nicer to work with than Word on my Shield.
wingdo said:
So then don't use it. Just because you don't think it's worth the price asked is no reason to steal it. I use it on my Note Pro, and it's pretty much replaced my need for a laptop. To me that's worth the $ as Office 2013 is still pricey. IF you don't want to pay for it, use an alternative. It doesn't give people the right to not pay developers their asking price.
---------- Post added at 12:22 PM ---------- Previous post was at 12:19 PM ----------
BTW, to save to the external SD card (provided you of course are rooted so any program can write to the SD card),
Save As -> This Device -> storage (near bottom) -> extSdCard -> pick your folder.
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wingdo said:
At least we know where you stand.
Don't think MS Office is worth the money? Steal it.
Don't think a BMW is worth the money? Steal one.
Anyone with an .edu email address can get it for $80 every four years. There is a difference between saying that you can work just fine with Hancom Office instead of Microsoft Office as opposed to saying that you prefer Microsoft Office over Hancom but would rather figure out a way to bypass Microsoft's security code so you can use it without having to pay for it.
As far as the size difference, sorry but Word on the note is much nicer to work with than Word on my Shield.
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Don't agree: when you do something serious you need to open several other documents and may be a browser and your mail and all this stuff needs to be just one click away, something that a small screen simply does not allow.
Didn't you buy recently a wider screen for your desktop and still using your old monitor as a secondary screen with your laptop and/or your desktop just to have more stuff under your fingertips?
Microsoft is simply trying to force people to buy her tablets and not to make money with Android.
I repeat, the only plus I see in Microsoft is it's claimed compatibility with the desktop edition, something that most of the people have, but that is not fundamental since she had to add compatibility with the .odt format in the most recent versions of its desktop suite.
And, please, don't speak about stealing, do you guess that such policies are fair? Pay that ridiculous yearly price and be happy, but don't blame people that are thinking differently. That's a too old dispute that never got a winner.
wingdo said:
...You can in no way say the experience between an 8" Tab and a 12" note is the same....
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Not only that, a 12-inch tablet user costs Microsoft much more than a 8" tablet user. Licensing models that charge users of high-end hardware more, are a long-standing industry practice. In part, because users of high-end hardware drive support costs much more. The user of an 8-inch tablet is more likely to use the software just for basic text editing. Whereas the user of 12-inch tablet is more likely use more advanced features of the software for professional / commercial uses, thereby driving more support costs.
Some of the alternatives like WPS and Hancom are great, but not good enough for me for professional use. The Microsoft suite definitely does the best job of maintaining the same formatting between PC and tablet. That saves me time and gives me the option of sending a document to a client without the intermediate step of editing on a desktop first so I can see how it really looks.