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i dont have an andorid device or anything (yet) but its a known fact that the Palm Pre's OS (WebOS) which may turn out to be a success is run under linux as is the Android platform. Now im no programmer but from hearing that i might think that it could be possibly ported and it could be easier to do than Winmo
flame away if im totally nuts
but is it possible???
i think this is a good ? imo! It would be something to tinker with but since the phone just came out 1'st you would have to find somebody willing to dump the os
You're gay. Why can you think that ?
funbacon said:
You're gay. Why can you think that ?
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Talk about something that is completely uncalled for. Have you ever heard of constructive criticism or is that another concept that is lost in translation to you?
Gimpeh said:
Talk about something that is completely uncalled for. Have you ever heard of constructive criticism or is that another concept that is lost in translation to you?
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In his defense, he did say "flame away" I do agree with you though...not called for.
I think that it would be a difficult undertaking even if it is able to be done. I don't know if it can be done, however, I do know that IF it can, someone here at xda will do it.
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i dont have an andorid device or anything (yet) but its a known fact that the Palm Pre's OS (WebOS) which may turn out to be a success is run under linux as is the Android platform.
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WebOS is based on linux, but it's not linux any more than Mac OSX is unix. It's not easily transferrable by simply scraping the files out and dumping them on another device. Drivers have to be written for hardware and to account for buttons that the Pre/intended device does not have.
Android is easy to port because it's open, the source (which shows how the software works down to the smallest code) can be downloaded by anybody and tinkered with. Palm will not be releasing the source of WebOS to the community, so any hacking or porting is significantly more difficult.
Now, should it be attempted? At this point, probably not. If you want WebOS, jump on Sprint's dying network to grab one.
Personally, I don't see Palm making a comeback very well, especially if they've chosen Sprint as their premier network. As a former Sprint customer, I can certainly say that they're a sinking ship right now. Neither the Instinct nor the Pre will be able to raise them up again, they have to go further than just 'cool' hardware.
And as for WebOS, see where it stands in a few months. All news was quiet on more Android phones for about three months after it was released, but by then, the amount of applications (and the release of paid applications) and users gave the phone the momentum it needed. If WebOS obtains that kind of momentum, great, then it might be good to consider. But until it attains the kind of ubiquity that Windows Mobile or Android will hold, it's a bit of an early jump, no?
We might as well port the iPhone OS to the Dream.
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We might as well port the iPhone OS to the Dream.
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NOOOOOOO i will break your phone if you do that, we bought these phones for their openess, not to be locked down by apple.
Not the mention that WebOS is build for an OMAP3 CPU, which has the ARM7 based architecture. So without the source, we may never be able to port it over properly.)
Is WebOS opensource? Or only the linux that it runs on?
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Is WebOS opensource? Or only the linux that it runs on?
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The latter.
I don't think Palm is forward-thinking (or cash-flush) enough nowadays to open source webOS. This (as well as the whole one-foot-in-the-grave situation of the past five years) makes me think that despite webOS' flashiness, it may not have much longevity.
I wonder if Palm will license out webOS though. They have licensed out Palm OS in the past, so it's not out of the question. I don't think they can compete in the marketplace if they try copying apple with a single-licensee strategy. Not when options like Android, Symbian, and WinMo can be found on multiple devices from many manufacturers on many carriers.
Good idea. Just to give people an option is pretty cool.
funbacon said:
You're gay. Why can you think that ?
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Isn't it about time this guy gets banned? 90% of his posts are ripping on somebody or their work.
I'm all for another OS to get ported to the dream just for kicks, and to contrast how great and versatile android really is . I must agree with many above in saying it would be very difficult and a long way off if so.
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Isn't it about time this guy gets banned? 90% of his posts are ripping on somebody or their work.
I'm all for another OS to get ported to the dream just for kicks, and to contrast how great and versatile android really is . I must agree with many above in saying it would be very difficult and a long way off if so.
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i was thinking of porting android to the pre... made a post about this too.
Well I want to build a super phone that has the ability to run any smartphone OS starting with symbian as it can run on multi-processors if we pull together we can register and get our hands on symbian CODE don't worry I have a plan to get windows mobile as well android developers please respond with contact info!!!!!! I have a plan to raise money for the project.
how much money do you think you can raise?
sounds abit fishy to me..
How about providing more details and information rather than figuring out how to raise money
edit: There are already many good phones out there so it wouldnt be a very good idea plus there is going to be a OS virtulization which allows a phone to run multiple OS coming out soon
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkwVt08i_Co
Er, my friend, you can't build a phone that has every smartphone OS. To begin, how are you going to get WebOS and OSX? Do you think Apple/Palm will actually allow this 'super cell phone' to get it?
I'm also curious as to how you plan to license the require hardware and get funds for the needed workers/developers to design the phone.
I think I may also require more information on this plan you're referring to.
lets hear it for what would be the most expensive phone ever!
Guys,
Be very cautious before giving money to help this "one-man-project".
Cheers.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkwVt08i_Co
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I was waiting for her to get dumped.
yeh right
let's build a space ship to go to mars where it's said to be one giant wifi
galaxys said:
yeh right
let's build a space ship to go to mars where it's said to be one giant wifi
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LOL!!
But in mars it will be called space-fi
Dont mean to shut you down or anything but if you are really serious, you may want to provide more info or do alot more thinking
Thread should be locked or deleted jk
Thoughts. WebOS in the mobile world atleast is dead. Should Samsung or HTC purchase WebOS? Its a awesome OS, the devices just sucked.
What are you guys thoughts?
Let it die, the problem is app support, who is going to support a os that has no more devices being built?
So is it even worth buying HP tablet
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Thoughts. WebOS in the mobile world atleast is dead. Should Samsung or HTC purchase WebOS? Its a awesome OS, the devices just sucked.
What are you guys thoughts?
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I hope HTC does pick it up. I think it's one of the best OSes ever created. Too bad the hardware side of the equation was off kilter.
You guys have to realize webOS is NOT dead, the devices HP and Palm created are the things that are being dropped. They said they Are 100% continuing development on webOS and are just looking for companies that want to run webOS on their devices like HTC or Samsung.
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You guys have to realize webOS is NOT dead, the devices HP and Palm created are the things that are being dropped. They said they Are 100% continuing development on webOS and are just looking for companies that want to run webOS on their devices like HTC or Samsung.
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+1 hp just said they are dropping the production of devices and are sticking to the developement.
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+1 hp just said they are dropping the production of devices and are sticking to the developement.
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Going to continue to develop an OS that nothing is being produced for. Right.
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Going to continue to develop an OS that nothing is being produced for. Right.
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true it would be a dead end, but there trying to find a company like htc or samsung to put it on, i guess if no one wants it on there phones then yes.
No, they said the mobile OS is dead. WebOS will continue in vehicles, printers and other appliances.
If I were HP I would've licensed it out a long time ago. WebOS can be some real competition to IOS and Android. Right now nothing is coming close to the two top dogs.
Imagine WebOS on a GSII.
htc,samsung, and sony could do as they do with android and windows. It makes sense to at least put some out there. I wouldn't purchase webos for exclusive rights, but expecially sony who could use a shot in the arm.
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Going to continue to develop an OS that nothing is being produced for. Right.
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They also produced a tablet pc that had the quickest death in consumer history! We'll see what happens...I did buy one and can't wait to try it out and I am hoping we get an Android port.
There is something fishy with this. Selling them at 99 bucks now you have millions of devices sold that otherwise would not have sold at the regular price. Now you have 50 times more HP touchpad users then 2 days ago. Yes HP is losing money now, but will it pay off in the long run with all the new users and future development or with a sell or is this a set up for something new for HP? A company does not just clears its inventory out for any old reason HP has something up their sleeve.
No, its over with. Its not millions either. Less than 1 million units.
HP took a huge hit on exchange market as well.
Despite the fact that WebOS was a decent OS.. Apple and Google have just pulled all attention to them. Even from an objective point of view I hardly think anyone can get in between. (Windows Mobile, Bada, etc.)
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They also produced a tablet pc that had the quickest death in consumer history! We'll see what happens...I did buy one and can't wait to try it out and I am hoping we get an Android port.
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Is that actually likely/possible?
Would be worth snapping one up if it were.
Looking into it further it's at least a £89 Kindle reader that can do much more while the cheapest kindle is £111
Just a question, but after I got over the whole "OMG NO START BUTTON", I've actually begun to like the OS. I also like the hardware and design of my TF700, a lot more than the slate tablets with the funky cover keyboards. Would it be possible to port Windows 8 to the TF700? I've seen people offer money to help interest developers, is that something that would be of interest? I'm not going to pay $500, I could buy a slate tablet for that, but I would consider tossing up to $100 in to the mix. Maybe others would too?
Thanks in advance for keeping this a *civil* discussion! =)
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This is the development section. That doesnt go here. Should move it to the general section or something
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I also like the hardware and design of my TF700, a lot more than the slate tablets with the funky cover keyboards. Would it be possible to port Windows 8 to the TF700?
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So basically you're looking for this. Since Windows is not open source, there is no legal way to "port" it.
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So basically you're looking for this. Since Windows is not open source, there is no legal way to "port" it.
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Microsoft has to approve the hardware that you are allowed to install their Operating System on? Couldn't a developer purchase a copy of Windows 8, port it, produce drivers to make it function, and then basically produce the installation process, methodology, drivers, etc and then the community could purchase their own products and go from there? I don't see how that would be illegal.
Also, the Vivo is a step down from the TF700. Lower resolution. The chassis flexes. It runs RT vs 8. See this review:
http://www.theverge.com/2012/10/23/3536302/asus-vivo-tab-rt-review
The TF700 is the same price, but a much better hardware platform. It would be a nice solution for those wanting an option. Also, considering you can get Windows 8 for $15 right now, it would be a friendly option for developers at the moment =)
Search the forum. This question or "idea" has popped up several times.
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Couldn't a developer purchase a copy of Windows 8, port it, produce drivers to make it function, and then basically produce the installation process, methodology, drivers, etc and then the community could purchase their own products and go from there? I don't see how that would be illegal.
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You cannot purchase the source code of Windows 8 for porting it. And it's pointless anyway, Microsoft already did it, called it Windows RT, and decided to sell it only preinstalled on hardware.
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Also, considering you can get Windows 8 for $15 right now, it would be a friendly option for developers at the moment =)
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Who wants to develop apps for Windows 8, and what has this to do with the TF700?
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You cannot purchase the source code of Windows 8 for porting it. And it's pointless anyway, Microsoft already did it, called it Windows RT, and decided to sell it only preinstalled on hardware.
Who wants to develop apps for Windows 8, and what has this to do with the TF700?
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Reverse engineering is no help here ?
azsde said:
Reverse engineeringis no help here ?
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That would be a project exceeding 1000 man years. Forget it. And it would be still illegal.
I don't see any other threads on this topic; there doesn't seem to be any serious discussion on porting Windows RT to run on non-official tablets and other ARM systems (raspberry pi for example).
It seems the main hurdle is that Windows RT requires an UEFI bootloader. Apart from a couple of development boards (ARM Versatile Express for example), there isn't any widespread ARM product that has this. Two things: what happens if one tries to boot windows rt from a UEFI capable development board? Second: if the first test shows some success, it would be worth the effort to write an UEFI emulation bootloader like Chameleon for x86.
Can someone with more experience chime in about possible complications and other issues to worry about?
I know it's been done; there are screenshots and such of Windows RT running on HTC HD2 (Leo) smartphone (which was released as a WinMo 6.5 device, but has had WP7, Android, Maemo, Ubuntu, and $DEITY knows what else ported to it).
That said, I don't expect it will be easy for the wide variety of devices. If nothing else, the drivers for all the hardware may be difficult to come by.
I see it. Has any more info come out of it? Was it just uefi emulation?
I want my Acer Iconia A500 to run windows rt. But no one started porting rt to any other Android devices.
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(raspberry pi for example)
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Raspberry Pi is using ARMv6, Windows NT works only on ARMv7 Cortex A9-MP.
I know it's been done; there are screenshots and such of Windows RT running on HTC HD2 (Leo) smartphone (which was released as a WinMo 6.5 device, but has had WP7, Android, Maemo, Ubuntu, and $DEITY knows what else ported to it).
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Yes, it's running on HTC LEO by DFT team. It's not fake.
It seems the main hurdle is that Windows RT requires an UEFI bootloader.
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It's not main hurdle, it's start hurdle. Actually there are much more things after that.
If we are talking about full working system or almost working system the next "hurdles" can be 10x times harder.
there isn't any widespread ARM product that has this.
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BeagleBoard has UEFI bootloader AFAIK. we are used some useful information from there.
It's based on EDK2 kit, MAGLDR-UEFI also based on it as well Surface RT UEFI bootloader.
At the end you forgot the most important thing:
It's a question of legality. While Android and some other OSes are almost free and partially open sourced, Windows RT is closed source system and it's not possible legally install it to any device. System needs activation and etc. Ever information about it.
Some people may say at this point: "ha n00bs, true [email protected] never th1nk ab0ut that", "who care about MS?", "everything should be free"
, but truth actually is different. I am already noticed that
It's why DFT is so careful with spreading any information about that.
Cotulla speaks the truth. Installing RT to systems that didn't come with it means making copies of RT from some other source. Legally speaking, that's almost certainly going to be software piracy, and it's possible that MS would care enough about it to come after this site. That would be bad... This is one of the reasons for the strict anti-piracy rule here.
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Raspberry Pi is using ARMv6, Windows NT works only on ARMv7 Cortex A9-MP.
Yes, it's running on HTC LEO by DFT team. It's not fake.
It's not main hurdle, it's start hurdle. Actually there are much more things after that.
If we are talking about full working system or almost working system the next "hurdles" can be 10x times harder.
BeagleBoard has UEFI bootloader AFAIK. we are used some useful information from there.
It's based on EDK2 kit, MAGLDR-UEFI also based on it as well Surface RT UEFI bootloader.
At the end you forgot the most important thing:
It's a question of legality. While Android and some other OSes are almost free and partially open sourced, Windows RT is closed source system and it's not possible legally install it to any device. System needs activation and etc. Ever information about it.
Some people may say at this point: "ha n00bs, true [email protected] never th1nk ab0ut that", "who care about MS?", "everything should be free"
, but truth actually is different. I am already noticed that
It's why DFT is so careful with spreading any information about that.
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Sorry, by main hurdle I mean why there isn't much public work on it. I know it would be hard to port a system. And I did not know RPI is armv6 so forget about that. Obviously I understand the legality, but I'm not thinking about widespread releases. I'm looking more into what that dft team did which is just doing something to prove it can be done.
Well since TI demoed windows 8 RT on a TI OMAP 4470 system there has to be a build out there for it. I have a SmartQ X7 which also has the TI OMAP 4470/SGX544 chipset, I'd like to try Windows 8 RT on it as I am sure it would run quite well.
Here Engadget has an article about it.
So should be quite possible I'd think?
Sorry, by main hurdle I mean why there isn't much public work on it. I know it would be hard to port a system. And I did not know RPI is armv6 so forget about that. Obviously I understand the legality, but I'm not thinking about widespread releases. I'm looking more into what that dft team did which is just doing something to prove it can be done.
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Actually we never wanted to "prove that something can be done". We just doing our hobby in spare time.
Ever we run WP8 on old phone, it doesn't mean that MS faked all users. They had reasons and I understand them. Project was started long time ago before it was officially known that WP7 won't be updated to WP8.
From outside view it can look like we wanted to say "Hey MS lies, WP7 devices can run WP8!", but it's not
People look interested to view hobby results, as well we try to provide them some fun. like WP7 HSPL provided fun for ROM cookers, for homebrew apps developers, and those before provided fun for users who like to test new stuff and play with own phone.
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Actually we never wanted to "prove that something can be done". We just doing our hobby in spare time.
Ever we run WP8 on old phone, it doesn't mean that MS faked all users. They had reasons and I understand them. Project was started long time ago before it was officially known that WP7 won't be updated to WP8.
From outside view it can look like we wanted to say "Hey MS lies, WP7 devices can run WP8!", but it's not
People look interested to view hobby results, as well we try to provide them some fun. like WP7 HSPL provided fun for ROM cookers, for homebrew apps developers, and those before provided fun for users who like to test new stuff and play with own phone.
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What you did was pretty awesome, and I also want to do it. Your work is yours so I'm not going to try to persuade you to give any info, but I want to get Windows RT running on other devices to show that it can be done (not to prove that Microsoft lied but to test my own (and anyone helping's) skills).
Porting to SAMSUNG GALAXY tab 2
Any idea, if it can be done porting to SAMSUNG GALAXY tab 2 ?
Does the hardware fits? As I read, I believe it's fits (like Microsoft surface ARM device).
What do i need to do?
Thanks in Advance!
Any news? I'm thinking about buying an terra 1001 pad :
https://www.google.nl/#hl=nl&sclien...94,d.d2k&fp=3cf597d2212ac5a5&biw=1366&bih=674
Man guys.. just get a Surface RT or Vivo Tab.
Wouldn't it be nice
Cotulla said:
Raspberry Pi is using ARMv6, Windows NT works only on ARMv7 Cortex A9-MP.
Yes, it's running on HTC LEO by DFT team. It's not fake.
It's not main hurdle, it's start hurdle. Actually there are much more things after that.
If we are talking about full working system or almost working system the next "hurdles" can be 10x times harder.
BeagleBoard has UEFI bootloader AFAIK. we are used some useful information from there.
It's based on EDK2 kit, MAGLDR-UEFI also based on it as well Surface RT UEFI bootloader.
At the end you forgot the most important thing:
It's a question of legality. While Android and some other OSes are almost free and partially open sourced, Windows RT is closed source system and it's not possible legally install it to any device. System needs activation and etc. Ever information about it.
Some people may say at this point: "ha n00bs, true [email protected] never th1nk ab0ut that", "who care about MS?", "everything should be free"
, but truth actually is different. I am already noticed that
It's why DFT is so careful with spreading any information about that.
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I agree, and to be honest the amount of work put into things needs, or should be paid for. Whether MS or Android. What would be nice? A source copy of RT to be paid for and used by any number of singular developers with the contention that MS will not support it, and have that announced publicly. Fact is, people complain when something doesn't work, and it is RARELY the person/manufacturer that they are blaming who are at fault. We as "Humans" give negative publicity out as if it is free candy, 99% of the time we have no real idea who actually is to blame, and forget how many mistakes we ourselves make. By "we" I mean the general public, not anyone or anything specific.
As for that...MS should release the sourcecode. It's a nifty OS and has the potential to be pretty amazing; not to mention the publicity would be good initially. AND...I have a few Tegras laying around I'd LOVE to dual boot with ! SO yes...go MS, give us source food? Don't be Apple
First of all this thread is really old, and probably should have been locked a long time ago.
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SO yes...go MS, give us source food? Don't be Apple
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I really don't think you are going to see this happen, Windows has been closed source since 1985, I really doubt one day in 2013 they are going to wake up and say "oh, lets just opensource this stuff".
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I agree, and to be honest the amount of work put into things needs, or should be paid for. Whether MS or Android. What would be nice? A source copy of RT to be paid for and used by any number of singular developers with the contention that MS will not support it, and have that announced publicly. Fact is, people complain when something doesn't work, and it is RARELY the person/manufacturer that they are blaming who are at fault. We as "Humans" give negative publicity out as if it is free candy, 99% of the time we have no real idea who actually is to blame, and forget how many mistakes we ourselves make. By "we" I mean the general public, not anyone or anything specific.
As for that...MS should release the sourcecode. It's a nifty OS and has the potential to be pretty amazing; not to mention the publicity would be good initially. AND...I have a few Tegras laying around I'd LOVE to dual boot with ! SO yes...go MS, give us source food? Don't be Apple
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Its essentially giving out the whole x86 Windows source code, this will never happen.. I believe
Here's a topic on windows RT recovery: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2079409
Maybe this can help in porting it to other devices.
We know about that thread... We have eyes.
Recovery images are useless for this purpose
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gnidorah said:
Maybe go with windows ce (embedded) + bsp for concrete device instead?
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Well, that wouldn't be RT then, would it? The point of this thread was wondering if RT could be ported to other devices not officially supported, not whether we can install any OS at all.