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i dont have an andorid device or anything (yet) but its a known fact that the Palm Pre's OS (WebOS) which may turn out to be a success is run under linux as is the Android platform. Now im no programmer but from hearing that i might think that it could be possibly ported and it could be easier to do than Winmo
flame away if im totally nuts
but is it possible???
i think this is a good ? imo! It would be something to tinker with but since the phone just came out 1'st you would have to find somebody willing to dump the os
You're gay. Why can you think that ?
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You're gay. Why can you think that ?
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Talk about something that is completely uncalled for. Have you ever heard of constructive criticism or is that another concept that is lost in translation to you?
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Talk about something that is completely uncalled for. Have you ever heard of constructive criticism or is that another concept that is lost in translation to you?
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In his defense, he did say "flame away" I do agree with you though...not called for.
I think that it would be a difficult undertaking even if it is able to be done. I don't know if it can be done, however, I do know that IF it can, someone here at xda will do it.
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i dont have an andorid device or anything (yet) but its a known fact that the Palm Pre's OS (WebOS) which may turn out to be a success is run under linux as is the Android platform.
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WebOS is based on linux, but it's not linux any more than Mac OSX is unix. It's not easily transferrable by simply scraping the files out and dumping them on another device. Drivers have to be written for hardware and to account for buttons that the Pre/intended device does not have.
Android is easy to port because it's open, the source (which shows how the software works down to the smallest code) can be downloaded by anybody and tinkered with. Palm will not be releasing the source of WebOS to the community, so any hacking or porting is significantly more difficult.
Now, should it be attempted? At this point, probably not. If you want WebOS, jump on Sprint's dying network to grab one.
Personally, I don't see Palm making a comeback very well, especially if they've chosen Sprint as their premier network. As a former Sprint customer, I can certainly say that they're a sinking ship right now. Neither the Instinct nor the Pre will be able to raise them up again, they have to go further than just 'cool' hardware.
And as for WebOS, see where it stands in a few months. All news was quiet on more Android phones for about three months after it was released, but by then, the amount of applications (and the release of paid applications) and users gave the phone the momentum it needed. If WebOS obtains that kind of momentum, great, then it might be good to consider. But until it attains the kind of ubiquity that Windows Mobile or Android will hold, it's a bit of an early jump, no?
We might as well port the iPhone OS to the Dream.
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We might as well port the iPhone OS to the Dream.
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NOOOOOOO i will break your phone if you do that, we bought these phones for their openess, not to be locked down by apple.
Not the mention that WebOS is build for an OMAP3 CPU, which has the ARM7 based architecture. So without the source, we may never be able to port it over properly.)
Is WebOS opensource? Or only the linux that it runs on?
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Is WebOS opensource? Or only the linux that it runs on?
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The latter.
I don't think Palm is forward-thinking (or cash-flush) enough nowadays to open source webOS. This (as well as the whole one-foot-in-the-grave situation of the past five years) makes me think that despite webOS' flashiness, it may not have much longevity.
I wonder if Palm will license out webOS though. They have licensed out Palm OS in the past, so it's not out of the question. I don't think they can compete in the marketplace if they try copying apple with a single-licensee strategy. Not when options like Android, Symbian, and WinMo can be found on multiple devices from many manufacturers on many carriers.
Good idea. Just to give people an option is pretty cool.
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Isn't it about time this guy gets banned? 90% of his posts are ripping on somebody or their work.
I'm all for another OS to get ported to the dream just for kicks, and to contrast how great and versatile android really is . I must agree with many above in saying it would be very difficult and a long way off if so.
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Isn't it about time this guy gets banned? 90% of his posts are ripping on somebody or their work.
I'm all for another OS to get ported to the dream just for kicks, and to contrast how great and versatile android really is . I must agree with many above in saying it would be very difficult and a long way off if so.
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i was thinking of porting android to the pre... made a post about this too.
How many of you think it would be a good idea for Microsoft to enter the phone hardware market with their own device(s) ? I think the whole partnership strategy is hindering Microsoft's ability to make a huge footprint in the smartphone market. They can innovate OS wise, but the hardware is inherently lacking because of their business model.
I think Microsoft should build it's own really high-end WP7 device to compete directly with iPhone 5 in both hardware design and OS design (they've acheived the OS part already )
I like the design of most of the WP7 phones more than anything offered by the other OS' offer. Yes, I am serious. Smartphones are beginning to look the same for Pete's sake.
If they go with the uniformed model than manufacturer can release a couple dual core phones in a batch with full support of both cores from the OS. WP7 is already fast enough with a single core, with dual core...
They don't need a definitive phone right now, maybe in the future if they really find the need to.
Yes. The Xbox Phone! Soft plusing green behind the windows logo when you press it
You mean KIN? Yeah, that worked out pretty well.
Well the first release of WP7 phones left a lot to be desired If Microsoft were smart they would not have left there fate up to the suppliers.
The suppliers are the ones that have dropped the ball with the first lot of phones by not having one high end product between them.
what are you guys talking about??? Of course Microsoft has its own phone down the pipeline... looky here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opTfPmN0YEM
Do you mean something like the Nexus One idea?
I think the technical preview phones they had looked pretty cool
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what are you guys talking about??? Of course Microsoft has its own phone down the pipeline... looky here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opTfPmN0YEM
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Nice! haha!
But seriously their hardware is usually top notch, why not?
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You mean KIN? Yeah, that worked out pretty well.
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That wasn't WP7 though.
Realistically though, it's not needed. The UI is the same on all the devices, as the features basically of the OS and phone. Microsoft wouldn't be making it either, the Xbox is their product but Foxxcon, Samsung, ATI, and other partners made the 360. Samsung and HTC both made Nexus phones, but also has phones with the same hardware. And LG is just kind of out there...
When this question is asked, I always think - I doubt MS would make it themselves. However, I could see them releasing another manufacturer's phone but repackaged under the MS name (for example, HTC started of like this).
However, the implication of this could be that MS would be seen to be favouring one of its WP7 partners over the others, which would never look good to the others.
Casey
It would definitely be nice, but if you think about it logically and from a business standpoint, it would not be a smart move. A lot of resource, facilities, and new human resources/expertise would be required to develop a new phone from scratch. The equipment alone would cost millions. The WP7 isn't selling so well, so at this point, they shouldn't commit to making one.
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It would definitely be nice, but if you think about it logically and from a business standpoint, it would not be a smart move. A lot of resource, facilities, and new human resources/expertise would be required to develop a new phone from scratch. The equipment alone would cost millions. The WP7 isn't selling so well, so at this point, they shouldn't commit to making one.
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as much as i like pointing out negatives with wp7, there are no hard sales numbers, ANYWHERE yet. if you're a fan of wp7, and want it to succeed, you have to end the self-fullfilling prophecy. if it's sad enough times, you will be correct, people won't buy and wp7 will die just like kin.
now then.. microsoft making a phone (hardware) would be incredibly stupid. they are too large a company, too slow to adapt, and too disorganized to produce a quality handset in the 2011-12 standard.
htc - excellent choice
samsung - they have a clue
anyothermakerinchina - yep, they can all copy an iphone pretty handily
there is absolutely no need in making their on phone. give the new wp7 a chance, like till Christmas this year before you call it dead. IF there still aren't any sales numbers officially quoted from M$, then you can call it dead.
It really does need one years maturity and UPDATES to prove if the company is committed or not. Saying "we're committed !" to the press is complete bull**** from _ANY_ company, and we should know this by now. ;-)
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htc - excellent choice
samsung - they have a clue
anyothermakerinchina - yep, they can all copy an iphone pretty handily
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I laughed. You don't seriously consider any of the HTC Windows Phone 7 devices better than the what Samsung or LG offer.. Right?
In any case, there are salesnumbers. 1.5 million devices were shipped to retailers in the first six weeks. One can only assume that most, if not all, of these were also sold to actual consumers considering it was near impossible to get your hands on a device in the beginning. Stores took deliveries of a box or two of phones rather than the hundreds they had ordered.
The Windows Phone Facebook page which shows the number of monthly users using the built-in facebook feature, is currently at 356994 users. I think that's close to the amount of actual handsets sold to consumers.
@vbetts and @Casey_boy:
I'm not speaking of manufacturing the phone. We all know that actual phone components and parts come from all over the place and OEMs. I'm speaking of designing and branding their own device (like the Zune HD).
MS needs to design a high-end physically attractive device. The current crop of WP7 phones don't seem like all-out efforts to impress. They're all generic designs.
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The Windows Phone Facebook page which shows the number of monthly users using the built-in facebook feature, is currently at 356994 users. I think that's close to the amount of actual handsets sold to consumers.
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Very doubtful. I'd say that's about 5%
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Very doubtful. I'd say that's about 5%
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I've never used the facebook app on there... why would I with the epic facebook integration... its selling quite well because unlike other OSes it really brings something new to the table.
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Very doubtful. I'd say that's about 5%
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I don't see 7 mill units sold, if it was balmer would have thrown the number next to kinect at ces
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I don't see 7 mill units sold, if it was balmer would have thrown the number next to kinect at ces
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True, no where near 7 million.
I was a little too conservative. There is a article on this.
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OK just found out that the Facebook attachment/usage rate for Android is 35-50%, and 50% for iPhone, 20-40% for other IOS users. Do the math and the numbers don't look pretty at all.
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@vbetts and @Casey_boy:
I'm not speaking of manufacturing the phone. We all know that actual phone components and parts come from all over the place and OEMs. I'm speaking of designing and branding their own device (like the Zune HD).
MS needs to design a high-end physically attractive device. The current crop of WP7 phones don't seem like all-out efforts to impress. They're all generic designs.
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The Zune HD is a foxxcon product. Microsoft paid, branded, and designed it, but Foxconn built it.
Hi everyone,
I have an opportunity to buy an HP Touchpad for quite cheap (about $100 for a 16GB wifi) but after doing some research it kind of looks like WebOS is dying. I've had a hard time even tracking down an ereader app, and the only one I've found looks a bit questionable in terms of tablet-optimization. It would be great if I could just install Android on it, but it doesn't look like that's possible. So, basically what I'm wondering is whether WebOS–particularly as a tablet platform–is likely to grow and improve very much, or is it really as dead-in-the-water as it looks? I know you guys might be a bit biased, but I figure you also have much better knowledge of the OS than I do .
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Hi everyone,
I have an opportunity to buy an HP Touchpad for quite cheap (about $100 for a 16GB wifi) but after doing some research it kind of looks like WebOS is dying. I've had a hard time even tracking down an ereader app, and the only one I've found looks a bit questionable in terms of tablet-optimization. It would be great if I could just install Android on it, but it doesn't look like that's possible. So, basically what I'm wondering is whether WebOS–particularly as a tablet platform–is likely to grow and improve very much, or is it really as dead-in-the-water as it looks? I know you guys might be a bit biased, but I figure you also have much better knowledge of the OS than I do .
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Just check this and tell me by yourself if the tablet is dead... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1202444
Also you can check at precentral Forum at Touchpad section and you will find everything about the HP Touchpad overthere.
WebOS has the full support of HP.
dont listen to the haters out there, remember when android first came out.
Everyone said "they will never make it, apple has the market locked up" and now look @ the market share android controls. Remember that the TP, VEER and Pre3 are first gen HP WebOS devices. Palm is gone along with the hardware. The WebOS ecosystem will be a major player in the enterprise market and consumer as well.
Unlike WP7, HP makes hardware and that is a huge advantage imop. android is everywhere, but the experience varies by manufacture. HP is creating a family of WebOS products that all have the same great experience and the will talk to each other. I dream of the day when my WebOS refridgerator that is synced with my phone will allow me to answer a call, order pizza, alert me of a text or email and all kinds of things. i know it sounds crazy, but electronics, appliances and cars all synced in one ecosystem would rule!
check out "http://www.webosroundup.com/" - "http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Main_Page" - "http://www.precentral.net/"
article and links to the world of WebOS!
Or check this and tell us if its dead.....
http://www.precentral.net/app-sales-skyrocket-and-developers-join-game-webos-not-dead
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Hi everyone,
I have an opportunity to buy an HP Touchpad for quite cheap (about $100 for a 16GB wifi) but after doing some research it kind of looks like WebOS is dying. I've had a hard time even tracking down an ereader app, and the only one I've found looks a bit questionable in terms of tablet-optimization. It would be great if I could just install Android on it, but it doesn't look like that's possible. So, basically what I'm wondering is whether WebOS–particularly as a tablet platform–is likely to grow and improve very much, or is it really as dead-in-the-water as it looks? I know you guys might be a bit biased, but I figure you also have much better knowledge of the OS than I do .
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noooooooooooooooooooo it will die every time webOS makes a nice little change android make almost 3 big changes
jamcar said:
noooooooooooooooooooo it will die every time webOS makes a nice little change android make almost 3 big changes
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Don't be so negative, everything has pros. and cons.
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Don't be so negative, everything has pros. and cons.
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it's true i had a htc hero ( android phone before android took off) but it was stolen and i got a palm pre for $20 and now that android did take off a cant wait to get another android phone
I was wrong, HP dropped us (webos users) like a used tissue
http://www.pcworld.com/article/238417/hp_says_so_long_to_webos_devices.html
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I was wrong, HP dropped us (webos users) like a used tissue
http://www.pcworld.com/article/238417/hp_says_so_long_to_webos_devices.html
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Man, I feel for you... it's not often someone has the Cajones to show up on a forum days later and say "bow, was I wrong"....
Honestly, I just used my first WebOS device days ago. Not a Touchpad, an original PRE... I can see why it failed.... and why it had promise. The device was neat, but too quirky. I got it set up and working for a friend, and actually usable thanks to the folks over at webos internals...
Now, as far as HP's closing of the WebOS unit.. and their promise to monetize it.... In the current mobile tech climate, it's BLATANTLY OBVIOUS why they did this.
They JUST realized that WebOS/Palm is worth more as a patent portfolio than as any actual production. Expect one of two outcomes shortly:
1) Lawsuits...
or
2) Portfolio Bidding War...
Both strategies are going to earn HP enormously more shareholder value than continuing to struggle along. Though, I hear echos of Monty Python's "'Tis but a Flesh Wound" and "I'm not dead yet!" in the distance. Good lord, look how long it took Amiga or OS/2 to die.
if i was a dying phone company (looking at you Nokia!!) i'd seriously consider buying WebOS....a truly unique system
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if i was a dying phone company (looking at you Nokia!!) i'd seriously consider buying WebOS....a truly unique system
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Nokia's already got an under-the-table deal to sell to Microsoft if its WP7 phones don't start bumping up its share price, or I'll eat my hat. (with mustard)
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Nokia's already got an under-the-table deal to sell to Microsoft if its WP7 phones don't start bumping up its share price, or I'll eat my hat. (with mustard)
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i know but if it wants a good system of its own rather than suckering up to microsoft as it has, then this is a good opportunity, since it's abandoned a really good system like Meego aswell
I think Nokia is dead in the water. They are not that great with updating OSes.
Take symbian for example. Nokia taking up WebOS would be like tying 2 anchors together.
LOL, reading this thread makes me giggle. It's funny how people are saying webOS is alive and kicking and then all of a sudden HP throws it away.
Very unexpected and tragic. But with android and iOS dominating everything, it was a matter of time.
I wouldn't take HP's action today as a referendum on WebOS. As a matter of fact, WebOS is the one thing that they are holding on to. What they are dropping is their entire consumer product line. That's all tablets, desktops, and laptops. They sold half a billion dollars worth of product in that division last year, but the margins are too small and the risk is high with so much competition. This is about much more than lackluster sales for WebOS products (which haven't even been on the market for six months).
The question is, if HP's not building WebOS hardware, who is?
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Anyone think that the hp pre 3 well make it to the US after the big announcement today
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Leo says "I wuz wrong, dead wrong!"
Cptnjarhead said:
WebOS has the full support of HP.
dont listen to the haters out there.
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Care to change your tune?
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The question is, if HP's not building WebOS hardware, who is?
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OOOOO! OOOOOO! I can answer that one! I can answer it right now!
The answer is: Nobody
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Anyone think that the hp pre 3 well make it to the US after the big announcement today
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Not a snowball's chance. None of the carriers wanted it, that's why only Orange in the UK offered it.
All of the US carriers smelled bad news earlier this year; Sprint publicly announced that they were done with webOS. Verizon, TMobile and ATT didn't even bother to make a statement.
As a 15 yr Palm fanatic, it's a sad end to Palm. Wonder what we'll see next from Jeff Hawkins and team? He did lead the design of the first iPad back in 1989, manufactured by Samsung and sold as the GRiDPad.
mourning Touchpad demise
i bought a touchpad 13 days ago from staples. 32gb for $399! it was a steal. I wasn't sure about keeping it or not but the more i read, the more i believed that HP would see this project (webOS) out to success, that they would continue to develop an amazing operating system. but after today's news it was a no brainer not to keep my TP. Luckily Staples offers a 14 day return policy so i returned that sucker post haste! im still pretty peeved though, in those 13 days i really came to love webOS. oh well this is what i get for turning my back on android. any good suggestions for android tablets?
Hp is dropping webos, but it should be possible to get android running on the touchpad via the same methods they got ubuntu running on it. What would be better would be webos on my dinc2 but alas...
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Don't know if anyone's heard but apparently Microsoft is taking full advantage of webOS's fall. They are offer development free tools, phones and etc. Wow they waste no time.
Here's a link to the article.
http://www.gsmarena.com/microsoft_o...nd_training_to_webos_developers-news-3026.php
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Don't know if anyone's heard but apparently Microsoft is taking full advantage of webOS's fall. They are offer development free tools, phones and etc. Wow they waste no time.
Here's a link to the article.
http://www.gsmarena.com/microsoft_o...nd_training_to_webos_developers-news-3026.php
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Tell me about it. I do respect them on what their doing. Great devs lose their jobs, so they're up for grabs.
Microsofts making all the right moves.
Exactly, playing it smart.
Agree, smart move, but Android won't lose market share easily..
Only a plus to Microsoft.
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Agree, smart move, but Android won't lose market share easily..
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Oh not at all. Microsoft has a long way to go to catch up with the Android and Apple.
Honestly I feel the only reason Microsoft is down in the smartphone game is because
1- They don't advertise as much
2- They don't have a radically new WP7 that draws users to the phone
3- If they bundled their phones with computer sales, it would allow customers to easily jump into the os.
If they saw those three points and worked on them, it would send them up there with the big boys.
Problem is every court hates ms for integrating software into windows; you think giving away a basic phone with every dell will ease those tensions? Unfortunately, ms can't get away with the crap apple does with every pc, ipod, iphone and ipad.
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Problem is every court hates ms for integrating software into windows; you think giving away a basic phone with every dell will ease those tensions? Unfortunately, ms can't get away with the crap apple does with every pc, ipod, iphone and ipad.
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That's understandable. Still, it then goes back to advertising. It seems as if MS wants people to magically know about their devices.
I've only seen a commercial for the Surround about 5 times and that was it.
I'd be so pissed if I was a webOS developer. Excited to see more/better apps for Windows Phone.
but with this microsoft did a step forward, it could help to get some DEVs but i dont think that it will get better then GOOGLE OS
I had a palm treo as my first smart phone and it ran windows. it was terrible.. I'm sure they have gotten better, but that phone gave me a sour opinion on windows phones.. not so good then probably not so good now.. but it does make me curious to playing with a windows phone next time im at a best buy or other retail store with one on display..
Windows phones, just like android, are at their full potential when custom roms are created. I think if they were more devs into the os it could compete.
Why get off one sinking ship to get on another sinking ship?
"Why get off one sinking ship to get on another sinking ship?" vetvito
you think Mango will sink?
No money to be made there, just like WebOS. You get customers first, the devs will follow.
Microsoft should come back. Competition keeps the others sharp.
I kind of pity all of those developers who spent months developing for WebOS only to have it be trashed.
1.2 billion down the drain....
...wow just read up on all the money hp used to buy and develop webOS that number was just for the purchase of Palm inc.
http://brianshall.com/content/android-dead
Anyone read this ?
I don't know where to start but suffice to say that his facts are wrong not least the one saying no new android phone can compare to iphone. Pretty sure the quad core sgs3 can.
Also samsungs market share recently overtook apples yet he says apple is way ahead.
Most of the report is factually incorrect opinion not news.
Dave
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This is nothing more than opinion and partial facts/ incorrect facts. There is no doubt the iPhone/iPad sell better. There is also little argument that Android missed the mark with their tablets/tablet marketing. But in no way is Android dying.
I would counter this article with how long will iPhone users upgrade to the same exact device with the same non evolving software before they start to get bored? I couldn't bring myself to buy a 4 after my 3g because the device bored the hell out of me. I walked into the Apple store, picked up a 4 and said to myself why in the hell would I lock into two more years, they practically changed nothing.
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I think his numbers are wrong...
I will acknowledge that Android is suffering terribly from the fragmentation issue especially in the arena where consumers want an "appliance" that simply does what it does. I think enthusiasts and developers in the Android world have great fun with all the aspects of tinkering, it appeals to our intelligence that we can fix things, improve things and evolve. Most consumers are not interested in tinkering.
Lol, this is funny.
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I will acknowledge that Android is suffering terribly from the fragmentation issue especially in the arena where consumers want an "appliance" that simply does what it does. I think enthusiasts and developers in the Android world have great fun with all the aspects of tinkering, it appeals to our intelligence that we can fix things, improve things and evolve. Most consumers are not interested in tinkering.
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He hit the nail on the head. The iphone carries the user friendly market, as long as there are techies(men) and those who simply don't follow the crowd android will thrive. I do agree that Google should implement some kind of OS requirements, as many devices that could be running ICS are not, but to the previous comment of I walked in and said this really isn't any different than the 3g...that is pretty much it...apple will be apple, android is at least fresh in this perspective.
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According to Horace Dediu/Asymco, Apple is now taking 73% of the smartphone industry's profits, with Samsung capturing 26%.
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So, what he's saying is that Apple is screwing over the consumer almost 3 times more than the next largest company. Also, is this including the profits Apple gets from app sales, because none of the OEMs that make Android phones profit off of that.
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And that everyone includes Huwai and ZTE, LG and Sony, Motorola, Dell (sorta), HP (I think) and a host of other very large, once-capable companies.
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How do you forget HTC? They are probably the second or third largest seller behind Samsung and possibly Motorola.
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Nobody wants an Android tablet.
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The Kindle Fire is an Android Tablet, as is one of the B&N Nooks, guess no one buys those. The Galaxy Tab 2 7" also seems to be selling well the way it looks. There is an issue with tablets, but it's mainly a price issue, not features. Google and developers are working to solve the app issues.
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Almost no one has the latest version of Android.
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It's at 5% of the market and growing. With 300k new activations daily, that means at least 15k new ICS devices are joining the market every day. Now that OEMs are finishing up the ICS updates, and releasing their new phones/tablets with ICS, that is only going to grow over the next few months.
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The companies that most aggressively marketed the "Android" brand, particularly Motorola and HTC, are floundering. Samsung, you will notice, markets Samsung.
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Yeah, HTC bringing in $2.3 billion in revenue is floundering. Even with profits down, they still made nearly $200 million in profit for the 1st quarter. Given the success of the One series phones, that will probably go up this quarter. And Samsung markets phones for everything, and I'm pretty sure they mention Android for the Android devices.
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App developers continue to make far more money off iOS.
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Because iOS apps cost money, where the same app on Android is free. Android users will pay for apps if they're good, just that usually, there is a free alternative that is just as functional as the paid version.
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Google is *losing* money on Android.
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If they were loosing money so badly on Android, why does it continue to exist?
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The Oracle trial made clear that Android was designed for a small screen with a physical keyboard -- thus, not optimized for the touchscreen revolution.
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Working just fine on my 4.65" touchscreen here. I have more issues typing on the on-screen keyboard of the iPhone than I have with any of my Android devices.
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I seriously doubt any Android device will rival iPhone 4S -- even by the time of the next iPhone.
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I would say the Galaxy Nexus equals the iPhone 4S, and the just announced SGSIII will be the equal of the next iPhone in terms of hardware. Software, it is an apples v. oranges comparison. However, I have seen comparison tests that show it is usually faster or easier to perform simple tasks on the Galaxy Nexus versus the iPhone.
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So, what he's saying is that Apple is screwing over the consumer almost 3 times more than the next largest company. Also, is this including the profits Apple gets from app sales, because none of the OEMs that make Android phones profit off of that.
How do you forget HTC? They are probably the second or third largest seller behind Samsung and possibly Motorola.
The Kindle Fire is an Android Tablet, as is one of the B&N Nooks, guess no one buys those. The Galaxy Tab 2 7" also seems to be selling well the way it looks. There is an issue with tablets, but it's mainly a price issue, not features. Google and developers are working to solve the app issues.
It's at 5% of the market and growing. With 300k new activations daily, that means at least 15k new ICS devices are joining the market every day. Now that OEMs are finishing up the ICS updates, and releasing their new phones/tablets with ICS, that is only going to grow over the next few months.
Yeah, HTC bringing in $2.3 billion in revenue is floundering. Even with profits down, they still made nearly $200 million in profit for the 1st quarter. Given the success of the One series phones, that will probably go up this quarter. And Samsung markets phones for everything, and I'm pretty sure they mention Android for the Android devices.
Because iOS apps cost money, where the same app on Android is free. Android users will pay for apps if they're good, just that usually, there is a free alternative that is just as functional as the paid version.
If they were loosing money so badly on Android, why does it continue to exist?
Working just fine on my 4.65" touchscreen here. I have more issues typing on the on-screen keyboard of the iPhone than I have with any of my Android devices.
I would say the Galaxy Nexus equals the iPhone 4S, and the just announced SGSIII will be the equal of the next iPhone in terms of hardware. Software, it is an apples v. oranges comparison. However, I have seen comparison tests that show it is usually faster or easier to perform simple tasks on the Galaxy Nexus versus the iPhone.
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Unless the next iphone gets larger there's only so much you can shoehorn into a smaller form factor in which case apple customers could start looking elsewhere but as it stands there are a few android phones that could beat iphone including the s3 and optimus lte2.
But if android were dead then samsung lg and htc would all be failing miserably and their not.
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natsuke said:
Lol, this is funny.
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Yep, very funny since he's comparing a SO with a phone (hardware vs. software? WTF)
BTW, that a phone is the most sold not mean that phone is the best, only mean that have better marketing. In many countries, iDevice = high social status (what a sh!t, it isn't?).
apple makes software modulated hardware but android makes hardware modulated software the difference is price n precession.......................... the apple is quite costly bt android is not much
apple is secure
android is open
android is flexible
apple is disposable
hell ya.............. android rockzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!!
imnuts said:
So, what he's saying is that Apple is screwing over the consumer almost 3 times more than the next largest company. Also, is this including the profits Apple gets from app sales, because none of the OEMs that make Android phones profit off of that.
How do you forget HTC? They are probably the second or third largest seller behind Samsung and possibly Motorola.
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This is one of the more interesting questions. I do believe that Apple revenue of course includes the app sales. Does anybody know more about this point?
And what about HTC? Look here!
sunilkumar.maharana said:
apple makes software modulated hardware but android makes hardware modulated software the difference is price n precession.......................... the apple is quite costly bt android is not much
apple is secure
android is open
android is flexible
apple is disposable
hell ya.............. android rockzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!!
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My opinion is that Android is more secure than iOS. It is open-source, so anyone can look at the code (most of it anyway), find issues, fix them, and then submit the fix for inclusion in the next update. There is also SEAndroid being worked on by the same group that does SELinux. Apple is closed source, so when a problem is found, you have to wait for Apple to fix it. You can't tell when the fix will come, or if it will even come. Nor do you have the option to include the fix yourself, as there is no way to patch it without the source to build from.
Isn't the iPhone security able to be easily bypassed by anyone, regardless of the phone being locked or not? Android seems to be the more secure platform for most things from what I've seen, but I'm not a security researcher, so anything is possible.
another idiot Apple fanboy writes a bunch on non-factual nonsense. truth is, he knows Android is killing Apple, and he can't accept it, so instead he puts Android down to make himself feel better about being an iPhone lover. it's a classic example of the most basic human psychology.
let him be a fanboy, and we'll enjoy our amazing platform in peace.
Bloodflame said:
another idiot Apple fanboy writes a bunch on non-factual nonsense. truth is, he knows Android is killing Apple, and he can't accept it, so instead he puts Android down to make himself feel better about being an iPhone lover. it's a classic example of the most basic human psychology.
let him be a fanboy, and we'll enjoy our amazing platform in peace.
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You said it m8
The funny thing about this...which kind of invalidates everything he says, is that Samsung is running Android. I don't think Samsung has a single phone out right now that isn't Android.
"No one wants an Android tablet" No, it's just that the iPad has a name behind it. If not for that name, it'd be one of the worst selling pads on the market.
I think when the general population talk about the IPHONE they don't think of iOS but the Form factor of the phone. I also think that the general non techie population doesn't really know what Android REALLY is. This why every phone that's not an iPhone is considered a "Droid" to them.
Non techie people are seduced by the shiny and admittingly good design of the iPhone and as long as Facebook and Instagram works on it they are happy and they "love their iphone".
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Wow :what: where to start. The incorrect " facts " . The overt Apple fanboy flare. The way he should've started is by saying, " all the information you are about to given is conjecture and opinion " . Well I guess that's why some people buy, Apple products. Then there are those that think, research, and make the smart choice, Android.
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alunral said:
The funny thing about this...which kind of invalidates everything he says, is that Samsung is running Android. I don't think Samsung has a single phone out right now that isn't Android.
"No one wants an Android tablet" No, it's just that the iPad has a name behind it. If not for that name, it'd be one of the worst selling pads on the market.
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Its not that ipad has a name for itself, its that apple had a name for itself a long time ago. When the iPod came out it was a big hit. It then evolved into the iPod touch, which was alright for a while. Then they made the iPhone. Everyone was already hooked on apples products, thus not giveing android too much of a chance. Except for those who want something different, so they went and got an android. Slowly people are going to leave the iPhone cause they are going to get bored of the same old SH*T. Basicly the iPod is apples reputation. The ios is boring and kinda plain.
Who cares about what sells better? How about what performs better? And I know I would much rather be able to do whatever the hell I want with the phone like customizing, and tweaking the phone to run faster, and not having to pay for everything. And you can't even do anything on the computer without a jailbreak or being annoyingly restricted to iTunes!
IPhone sucks! ANDROID RULES!!!
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This is quite simple to respond to. IPhone is for mainstream users, every friend of mine says iPhone is the best phone until I show them some android devices. We live in a world where all the crap which has an apple on the back is better by the eyes of people that don't even know what the market has to offer.
Another thing is, android is still growing, and iOS has much has it keep evolving, I believe it's pretty much that: a phone with the homescreen full of icons and with no customizing whatsoever; a phone that in my opinion gives a terrible user experience.
I'm no fan of Samsung devices but it's true they're doing a great job on expanding android.
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