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how can you get your G1 to store the apps on your sd card?

roguestatuskat said:
how can you get your G1 to store the apps on your sd card?
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You can't yet, it's not like WM. I have noticed that some apps used the SD card for storage and some do not. So in part it seems there may be things that the developers could do to relieve some of the stress on the system storage.

Newbs that come in here without at least looking at ALL should be automatically banned.
SEARCH BUTTON FOLKS....

Agreed, even though I am new here I at least know my hardware & software and if there is something that I do not know I look to see if the info is anywhere to be found before starting a thread to ask a ? that has been answered since the phone was released. lol

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Newbs that come in here without at least looking at ALL should be automatically banned.
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Should be "banned"? Really? While I agree most answers can be found with a simple search, that kind of hostility and elitisim is just sort of thing that makes it hard for others to learn. If it bothers you so badly IGNORE the post. It's not your responsibility or right to chastise others who are simply trying to learn. Keep in mind this is a new platform and device and it is only natural that new members will be drawn to these boards. Xda is a resource and community for all.
Remember you were a "noob" yourself once.

thefoss said:
Should be "banned"? Really? While I agree most answers can be found with a simple search, that kind of hostility and elitisim is just sort of thing that makes it hard for others to learn. If it bothers you so badly IGNORE the post. It's not your responsibility or right to chastise others who are simply trying to learn. Keep in mind this is a new platform and device and it is only natural that new members will be drawn to these boards. Xda is a resource and community for all.
Remember you were a "noob" yourself once.
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I'm struggling trying to learn java and linux on my own because of that exact attitude. So unless the person is being a jerk about looking for an answer, I've seen some that have, then there's no call to elevate hostility.

While banning people is a little harsh it is frustrating to see new post every day about the same thing. You can only be polite to so many people before your patience wears thin.

I don't understand what the big deal is honestly with some of you people on here that talk to new people like that. It is a moderator's job to deal with multiple threads not you. Personally if I see a question that has been addressed already it doesn't bother me, I just try and help anyone who needs it. If it bothers you that much then you should keep your opinions to yourself as the person you talk down to may be a leading member on here someday and contribute greatly to the forum. Negativity does nothing but hurt the forum and draw people away from it.

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I don't understand what the big deal is honestly with some of you people on here that talk to new people like that. It is a moderator's job to deal with multiple threads not you. Personally if I see a question that has been addressed already it doesn't bother me, I just try and help anyone who needs it. If it bothers you that much then you should keep your opinions to yourself as the person you talk down to may be a leading member on here someday and contribute greatly to the forum. Negativity does nothing but hurt the forum and draw people away from it.
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The mods here annoy me, tbqh (even though I've never actually seen one). They combine every single thread in existence. The battery thread was really about 5 different threads, and should have been left as 5 different threads as they each brought up different points, but nope! Some mod decided they should be one. I just skip the entire thread then, not worth fighting through 9 pages of completely different topic material.

Gary13579 said:
The mods here annoy me, tbqh (even though I've never actually seen one). They combine every single thread in existence. The battery thread was really about 5 different threads, and should have been left as 5 different threads as they each brought up different points, but nope! Some mod decided they should be one. I just skip the entire thread then, not worth fighting through 9 pages of completely different topic material.
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And to think you never thought of telling any of the staff members this by using that little report button... Wow and you wonder why they do what they do and you don't like it.

neoobs said:
And to think you never thought of telling any of the staff members this by using that little report button... Wow and you wonder why they do what they do and you don't like it.
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They obviously have/had their reasons to combine them, I just disagree. Not going to try and argue with them, just since the whole "leave moderation to the mods" thing came up, thought I'd add my two cents.

Gary13579 said:
They obviously have/had their reasons to combine them, I just disagree. Not going to try and argue with them, just since the whole "leave moderation to the mods" thing came up, thought I'd add my two cents.
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It isn't arguing if you are providing constructive feedback. Approach the moderators for this section and ask them why they moved it and tell them why you think it shouldn't have been moved. It is very simple.
Making comments about them in a thread will get you no where and won't help the situation. I know you were just trying to speak your mind but sometimes it is best to bite your tongue and try to speak your mind to the higher ups and not the simple user.

A Purely Informational Poll Of Samsung Captivate 2.3.x Rom Usage. Cast Your Vote!

Hello Community,
This is mostly for my informational purposes, but id really appreciate it if everyone would cast their vote as to which rom they are on currently. This can also serve in the short term as an informational compass to point new users twards a rom to try out. All votes in the polls are appreciated!
Thanks,
HaiKaiDo

Nevermind...

Dude, give it up. Whether you like it or not, the forum management do NOT like these kinds of posts that put the work of developers into a popularity contest. And leaving out Andromeda, one of the most popular ROMs in here, just makes the poll look silly.

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Dude, give it up. Whether you like it or not, the forum management do NOT like these kinds of posts that put the work of developers into a popularity contest. And leaving out Andromeda, one of the most popular ROMs in here, just makes the poll look silly.
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I was asked by the forums mod to repost this and that he was going to lock it and sticky it so that posts like this would no longer happen and people would be able to vote without flaming. Also Apex and Andromeda will be added.

Dude you look silly
I do not see anything wrong with a thread like this. Maybe it can prevent some additional threads about what rom is best for me.
And by the way, screw you for not including asop roms, my vote is miui. (just kidding on the screw you, kinda)
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HaiKaiDo said:
Hello Community,
This is mostly for my informational purposes, but id really appreciate it if everyone would cast their vote as to which rom they are on currently. This can also serve in the short term as an informational compass to point new users twards a rom to try out. All votes in the polls are appreciated!
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That verbiage right there makes this little more than a popularity contest. New users should be reading up on any ROM they want to try, not making decisions based on the number of people using a particular ROM. The power users are switching ROMs pretty regularly, some on a daily basis, so how should they vote in this poll? The only way anyone interested in modding their phone with a custom ROM will get the info they need is to READ THE FORUM and invest the time to know what they're doing. They will only run into problems if they simply look at a thread like this, pick the one with the most votes and go at it. That's the natural tendency of humans and it goes against the grain of what users in here should be doing. There are no shortcuts.

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That verbiage right there makes this little more than a popularity contest. New users should be reading up on any ROM they want to try, not making decisions based on the number of people using a particular ROM. The power users are switching ROMs pretty regularly, some on a daily basis, so how should they vote in this poll? The only way anyone interested in modding their phone with a custom ROM will get the info they need is to READ THE FORUM and invest the time to know what they're doing. They will only run into problems if they simply look at a thread like this, pick the one with the most votes and go at it. That's the natural tendency of humans and it goes against the grain of what users in here should be doing. There are no shortcuts.
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+1 Some people never learn.
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Well since I have the support of a moderator and all the other people that havnt decided to take everything ive said in this thread and twist it and blow it WAY out of proportion, im gonna have to go with...If you dont like it, dont post here :]

Nanny, nanny, boo boo to you, too.

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Nanny, nanny, boo boo to you, too.
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come on man seriously , no need to stay here and set fire to my thread AGAIN. For whatever reason the mod that said he was going to lock this and sticky it has disapeared for the moment, but i suppose when he gets back all these posts will be deleted and the OP can be used to exactly what it was intended. Just a collection of data, not a popularity contest, not a noob guide to tell them what rom to install. Its just a small collection of data to see what the community is upto.

I didn't post a thing in your last thread, so don't blame me for that one being closed. The reality is that your poll is flawed simply because you limited it to only 2.3.x ROMs. That will not give a clear picture of what ROMs are being used since it omits some very fine 2.2 ROMs like Andromeda and the many users still on stock Froyo and Eclair. That renders it pretty useless as far as a statistical analysis and dangerous as it might convince some to jump to a Gingerbread ROM before they know what the consequences might be. Don't we have enough people in here with bricks and flashing problems? Why contribute to it?

just move on and don't vote
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At work, will respond to this properly when I can.
Sent From My Fingers To Your Face.....

Okay lets clear this up....
I DID tell the OP to repost this thread.
Heres why.....
I agree with the rest of you that "best" rom threads are pointless and often offensive. I do not allow "best" rom threads in any of the sections I moderate.
However, this thread was not supposed to be about whats "best".
The intention was to set the poll, stick the thread and close it to prevent the usual barrage of venom and verbal diarrhea that goes with the aforementioned "best" rom threads.
I for one am curious as to how the userbase of a particular device is split between the various roms on offer and I think its a shame that there is no way to utilise the poll option to asess this.
I spoke to the OP about this and it was clear to me that he did not want to encourage discussion about whats "best", just collect the numbers out of curiousity so I agreed to give this a go....
As it stands, its not possible to close a thread and leave the poll open so it looks like we'll never know.

[OFF TOPIC QUESTION] Is Arrogance so important to XDA community

I understand that here, on XDA, you get nice and civilized answers if your thanks-meter is high. My question is: Is the XDA strategy built to make users leave XDA for other communities? Or is it just that the arrogance is directly proportional with the thanks-meter?

Ruwin said:
I understand that here, on XDA, you get nice and civilized answers if your thanks-meter is high. My question is: Is the XDA strategy built to make users leave XDA for other communities? Or is it just that the arrogance is directly proportional with the thanks-meter?
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I understand that here, on XDA, you get nice and civilized answers if your thanks-meter is high.
Not really true.
Is the XDA strategy built to make users leave XDA for other communities?
There is no XDA strategy. It's just a place for people to tinker with their phones.
Or is it just that the arrogance is directly proportional with the thanks-meter?
No it is not directly proportional to the thanks meter.
There are a lot of grumpy people around though.

I think the best thing you can do is to report arrogance and hope the user gets some sort of warning. I have also witnessed some comments that were unnecessary and that could really put new users off asking questions here. That is a real shame imo.

dc211 said:
There are a lot of grumpy people around though.
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I have also witnessed some comments that were unnecessary and that could really put new users off asking questions here.
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+1 to these, some people who are new just don't understand how the forum layouts and whatnot work, but rather than being more polite about it, the more experienced ones go off at the new people. Pretty hard for the new people to get help that way.
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I only really see "arrogance" displayed in two fashions:
1. The occasional Dev war drama. This really only happens rarely and has settled down quite a bit since some ROM devs have moved on to other devices.
2. Noob squashing. The fact is, Android is a victim of it's own success. In the G1 days, XDA was a true home for hackers to exchange information. Now that Android has such a large worldwide marketshare, more and more folks are coming here to enhance their devices and free them from their cell provider's greed and bad decisions, regardless of their technical level. I'd bet the CM10 thread could be condensed into a one page FAQ which would eliminate hundreds of pages of repeat questions, but in reality, the types of people that frustrate us so much wouldn't even take the time to read that. The only solution here is help or ignore...flaming just triples the number of pages dedicated to a noob mistake.

You get nasty responses when you refuse to read and the question has been asked soo many times.. or you post a question in the general section... or break any rules
I've had people not read the downgrade thread and pm asking what to do.. when if you read it, you realize its nearly noob proof
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I think that one of the problems is that the pros try to distance themselves from the noobs. The problem with that is that the noobs will only feel more ignored and try harder to get their voice heard. It's a problem almost all forums have, but it seems more serious here on xda than anywhere else I've been. I think much of the talent here gets wasted. Answers get hidden away deep in overly long topics and poor communication skills make things worse.
I get the feeling that many of the threads here would have worked better in wiki-form, where each issue has its own page, instead of each topic.
But these are just a noob's impression after a few days here.

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The only solution here is help or ignore...flaming just triples the number of pages dedicated to a noob mistake.
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^^^ So much this. ^^^
@OP: I don't think what you're seeing is arrogance. More likely frustration. <S>About those damn n00bs who keep pissing all over 'our' forums.</S> But flinging poop at them doesn't result in neater cleaner tidier forums.. The catch22 here is that there is no real way to tell people (noobs and grumps alike) to stop polluting the forums without engaging in forum pollution yourself.
Also, it is not related to the thanks meter. If anything, the 'thanks' feature is meant to keep the forums cleaner, by eliminating "Wow thanks!"-posts.
(Maybe we need buttons for "Wrong section!" and "Use the search!" too. Actually, we do have a button for "Wrong section!", it's labeled "/!\ Report".)
-Jobo

As was previously was stated it frustration over most issues.
If people took a few seconds to try and search or post in correct sections things would be a tiny bit easier. Though since its the internet conflicts or bad attitudes will never subside
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JN3141 said:
+1 to these, some people who are new just don't understand how the forum layouts and whatnot work, but rather than being more polite about it, the more experienced ones go off at the new people. Pretty hard for the new people to get help that way.
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No reason to be polite, when the answer or rules are stickied or found on the first page. For instance, development forum is only for development, and there's a sticky emphasizing that. Try they post questions there anyway.
So while it's understandable they don't know the layout yet, they can read. If they ask a question, they'll obviously be reading the post in case is has their answer. So they can just as easily read the stickies.
Not to mention, it's always good to take a moment and read stickies or the first page, before asking questions.
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No matter how wrong they are, you still don't need to get rude like I've seen happen. Yes, there are a lot of frustrating situations, but that still doesn't constitute the flaming. If you were new, maybe you might make a mistake like that, and wouldn't want to have people flaming you, it'd just get more confusing for you.
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No matter how wrong they are, you still don't need to get rude like I've seen happen.
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Exactly. There is no excuse, ever. You either answer and help, or ignore, or report.
Making an unhelpful off-topic post to verbally smack someone in the face is a waaaay worse offense than posting in the wrong section or asking something that's already been asked and answered in the post right above it. It also has much more negative impact on the forums than some stray posts.

I see it as arrogance and frustration. There are many of us that are unseasoned in the knowledge of phones. When we have knowledge in a particular field and become wise, we sometimes become impatient with others for what is simple to us. Very few people knew years ago what they know now. Life is about development, meant to cultivate and refine, and it happens in stages or seasons. To the well-seasoned people, (pros) please try to understand our ignorance or unfamiliarity. When a noobie asks something, try to understand you didnt always know what you know. Show some humility, you can better help us by understanding we are students to the knowledge you have. When you teach, we can learn, and go away more intelligent in that field, then we can help others on a lower level. . Example: The Pros have level 10, some noobies may have level 5. But that level 5 noobie can help a level 3 noobie, easing the burden on the level 10 pro.
On the other hand, many noobies may start asking questions and expect the pro to do allllllll their work, NO GOOD. There is a friend of us all, his name is Google, he has helped me many times. I dont expect for the pros to do all of the work for me, as none of us should. We as noobies do need to spend more time reading and researching, if we fail to understand, then ask the question. Sometimes we all overlook things and it may take a noobie to make a pro recall that thing that was overlooked. As the commercial says, "you can learn alot from a dummy' (noobie). I even see some pros ride the coat tails of other pros and more or less follow their leads. If the first pro is hard on a noobie the second pro adds his two cents. Thats not necessary.
Let us both, pro and noobie, do our part to develop and keep good karma here at XDA. I do like XDA very much and recognize and respect the abundance of talent which is here. It is fascinating for us to learn and share what we know with others and to see we have helped someone. Im interested in learning and if possible over time to share what I learn with others in a humble manner. So if the community will have me, I plan on being here.

One other productive point of dialogue. I have noticed that recently when you create a new thread XDA automatically searches your subject line and shows you threads with similar subject lines. I think that is helpful.
But it all goes to show that maybe the search functions could be reviewed a bit more with newer members input.
I really like XDA btw, but just thinking about ways to make it better. It may be that those kinds of auto search functions should appear when you are posting in a thread, and not just creating a new one.
There may also be ways to make the search functions more intuitive. Sometimes, for example when you search threads (and not just posts) the default screeen sends back a bunch of threads and it becomes hard to judge which thread may actually contain the most relevant info you are looking for (since the subject line may not be helpful). There may be other info the search could show you (ie how many times the word comes up in that particular thread, etc).
I am sure XDA is always looking at ways to make things better. But it would be interesting to hear what new folks have to say and the challanges they face when searching for information.

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I have noticed that recently when you create a new thread XDA automatically searches your subject line and shows you threads with similar subject lines. I think that is helpful.
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I agree with you AK, It is very helpful and a nice feature. It reduces the amount of clutter. I went looking to start a new thread on the subject titled "Arrogance vs Humility", and boom, the search suggestions showed me a few threads on the subject. It does become time consuming when cleaning up the forums. Most times when we want to know something we want it on the spot and dont take the time to look first. More so than not, the question has already been answered.

Another issue is the xda app does not have an option to filter the search results. It's pretty well useless. Main reason I switched to tapatalk.
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There's also not a lot of stickies in the Q & A section... I think we might want to start a project with moderators to propose some stickies and have folks volunteer to create and update the original posts in such stickies.
For example an RUU FAQ, and a Wifi faq, perhaps another on different hboot versions what that even means, one on custom recoveries, kernels, etc. I posted what I thought was a more comprehensive review of sd card issues people have had and fixes and asked it be moved to q & a (since the one stickied there is pretty basic and hasn't been updated). My explanation is still getting buried in the general section for now http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=36372149#post36372149... It's not a big deal though.
But I do find that really good OPs (ie original posts) can do a world of good for someone who is new. Stickies and other OPs should be updated frequently especially as people start explaining their issues.
Another good example of a post that should be stickied in Q&A but is lingering in General is http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2076086
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Dmwitz said:
I think the best thing you can do is to report arrogance and hope the user gets some sort of warning. I have also witnessed some comments that were unnecessary and that could really put new users off asking questions here. That is a real shame imo.
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AGREE completely, some people just believe that just because they've been here for what seems forever and (believe) they have put in their time that they can actually treat people like they're complete idiots and that is just WRONG! I have been around for awhile and never that I can remember have ever treated members like this plus each individual may have better understandings of many other devices or aspects of several other types of electronics compared to many, than again some just are not too familiar with this or that type of device possibly because there are as we can agree slight differences in each. Why can we not just treat everyone as people of a large and (sometimes) great community also, just explain things like the way you wanted them explained to you when you first arrived or switched devices and I just received the BEST experience in my thread for the past week from 'Darknites' and another member whom I'm having issues with writing his username lol but he knows who he is. I try to learn from what has been taught to me through trial and error and lots of it but members like above stick in and help even though I know they were getting irritated lol, when I can I help those with similar issues or with issues I possibly know the answer to. PLEASE just help, no need for rude degrading comments to anyone no matter how much they may not be catching on also you can type many things in 'Google' or even in this forum's search but may not get exactly what your looking for especially like me when this is your daily driver device and can't afford or are not into testing many different devices.
Thanks.

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AGREE completely, some people just believe that just because they've been here for what seems forever and (believe) they have put in their time that they can actually treat people like they're complete idiots and that is just WRONG! I have been around for awhile and never that I can remember have ever treated members like this plus each individual may have better understandings of many other devices or aspects of several other types of electronics compared to many, than again some just are not too familiar with this or that type of device possibly because there are as we can agree slight differences in each. Why can we not just treat everyone as people of a large and (sometimes) great community also, just explain things like the way you wanted them explained to you when you first arrived or switched devices and I just received the BEST experience in my thread for the past week from 'Darknites' and another member whom I'm having issues with writing his username lol but he knows who he is. I try to learn from what has been taught to me through trial and error and lots of it but members like above stick in and help even though I know they were getting irritated lol, when I can I help those with similar issues or with issues I possibly know the answer to. PLEASE just help, no need for rude degrading comments to anyone no matter how much they may not be catching on also you can type many things in 'Google' or even in this forum's search but may not get exactly what your looking for especially like me when this is your daily driver device and can't afford or are not into testing many different devices.
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End of custom roms.......

Sorry guys.... As another dev shuts up shop due to users/noobs that don't read opening posts or explain the bugs they having.
Custom roms will soon be a thing of the pass.
I for one knows how much time/effort goes into making a rom. It's no easy task. The amount of flashing/bricking to bring roms to us.
All the roms on xda are free but if this continues then devs may start charging for their roms (maybe not on xda but who knows) Wouldn't blame them really though.
All users need to understand if we don't have devs on Android. Then basically we will end up like iPhone users that are locked down. We should be grateful for all devs that brings us root without it then no custom roms would exist.
Do the Android community wanna end up like iPhone? I doubt it very much.
Respect the devs
Read the first post, search the thread! All answers are there. This excuse "I searched but couldn't find anything" is BS basically.
We will lose them all eventually.
Rant over.
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Post of the month!
ETA:
As much as I agree, this is flogging a dead horse
Until you can change the impatient 'fix it now, I refuse to read the first post post anyway, that bits not important' mentality of the average user, nothing will change

I agree. most users in this community are selfish. most likely they demand fix this please, when's the next update, port it please, comparing their work to another's hard work, flaming and so on.
they neither try to read back the thread or use the search function. or has no clue with the forum rules. it's a sad thing but yeah it's here. it's really a sad thing but there's nothing we can do unless they learn to respect the free work devs have put into their work. people should realize devs are doing it on their spare time on their own will to share to people for users to enjoy for free.

Agree
I was hoping to find a thread like this and I totally agree with you.
But maybe that is not the end cause I think that the devs will still love what they do just that they try not to address certain people.
As great as the idea of XDA is and as much as I'm happy that this awesome forum exists..I think that it should be talked/discussed about the forum rules!!!
Example:
How can it be possible that you become senior member with 100 posts?
This leads to flaming in some cases and is no way near related on how helpful you are
The process in being allowed to post
While some are annoyed that they can't discuss right after logging the first time....for others it is way to simple to join and flame.
Rules enforcement
We all know that some posts we make are not related to the devices...and I think that this shouldn't be seen as an issue in general...XDA to me is also a communication page as long as the dev doesn't have a problem with it... BUT being disrespectful to the work you receive for free and claiming bugs where there are reported to be none and most important refusing to read should be looked after more often.
At last I really don't want to criticize XDA or what it stands for cause I still love it... I just hope it stays what it was created for and won't loose the devs which are doing so many awesome things for us because some people just can't follow the rules and be thankful for what they get

Maybe some new rules when people sign up?like private reference or something?but then again that would drop Ads revenue of this site drasticly

Unfortunately it's fact that most of the users are never happy enough with the things they get FOR FREE. They don't see the hard work of the devs behind a custom ROM. They only see what they have on their phones, and if there's something they don't like, they complain and blame the dev. And the fact that many users don't read instructions or simple informations gives the devs more work. They have to watch their thread 24 hours a day and always be friendly and helpful. If that's not given, some users become rude. My favorite thread was closed this morning because of such stupidity. The dev pulls his heart and soul in his project and gets more negative than positive feedback. That's not fair.
 @4aces: you know what thread I'm talking about, i think you agree, it's a sad sad day for us.

Exactly @speedwayfan75 that why I had to voice my rant over that thread. And @DSA same for your thread too shut due to some users. Black box was great used on s3 then got discontinued on s4
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So you are announcing the end of the custom ROMs, because of some impatient noobs, who have always been around and probably always will be? Are you for real?

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So you are announcing the end of the custom ROMs, because of some impatient noobs, who have always been around and probably always will be? Are you for real?
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Did I day that :banghead:
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In my opinion it's also the fault of XDA in general.
Just take a look in the Q&A section. So many question that have been anwsered before, so many people that just won't read.
In my opinion every thread that doesn't have a decent opening post should be closed untill they put some effort in it. But the more users XDA gets, the more money they make. So the skill level will only keep lowering and then some other decent website opens and replaces XDA.
Users just get to much space to do anything they want. I'm not blaming the mods in any way, because I think they are doing a good job. People higher up the ladder should take action or XDA will go down true their own succes.

I agree that there are many noob who do not read the post before replying.
But every boby was a noob before no?
just give them a chance to become good Android users...
PS: sorry for my english, i'am french !

You can't stop anyone from posting questions without searching first, or asking for OTAs. The only thing the devs can do is to ignore these people.

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You can't stop anyone from posting questions without searching first, or asking for OTAs. The only thing the devs can do is to ignore these people.
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Its not as simple as that
If I create a development thread and include all relevant info in the first post, which is then populated with nothing but questions that are answered in the first post it makes it incredibly hard to find any proper posts which could contribute to the rom or for me to help a genuine user having issues
I created a specific q&a thread for these types of posts and everyone ignored it and filled up my dev thread instead
XDA has a chronic problem with users atm, I can't explain it or understand it, but I'm seeing more and more devs close their threads because of the users populating it
Have a read of the gravitybox thread in the xposed section...its unbelievable..
ETA: just had a read of the echorom thread...check @friedrich420 last posts in there..I feel for him as I know exactly how he feels

Users should be understanding about this. I think XDA should double the number of moderators so that useless posts are deleted on regular basis. For developers; they should create a third post on their ROM topic, that has a big list of all FAQs in bold.

worktorest said:
You can't stop anyone from posting questions without searching first, or asking for OTAs. The only thing the devs can do is to ignore these people.
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I agree. I'm not sure if Devs will start charging, to be honest I'd probably pay, But anyways.... I work in Service Management for a Global IT company, and this behaviour is pretty standard when you are dealing with this many users..
I for one respond ONCE and the ignore users that make demands or unreasonable requests or are just plain offensive or rude.
What makes it worse though is the number of more experienced users that actually reply to these people in the thread. Honestly is some threads they have doubled the useless post count! Now, before I get flamed, I have done it myself because its just plain RUDE!!! But it doesn't take every 'good' user to flame back or stick up for the dev or say not to ask for ETAs! Just once will do and then ignore them!
If you ask any service professional or SixSigma bod, they will say 'focus on the good users and ignore the bad'.
Please please though reading multiple posts from good users responding to bad users is just as annoying as having to read the original bad post.
Peace Out People!

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Its not as simple as that
If I create a development thread and include all relevant info in the first post, which is then populated with nothing but questions that are answered in the first post it makes it incredibly hard to find any proper posts which could contribute to the rom or for me to help a genuine user having issues
I created a specific q&a thread for these types of posts and everyone ignored it and filled up my dev thread instead
XDA has a chronic problem with users atm, I can't explain it or understand it, but I'm seeing more and more devs close their threads because of the users populating it
Have a read of the gravitybox thread in the xposed section...its unbelievable..
ETA: just had a read of the echorom thread...check @friedrich420 last posts in there..I feel for him as I know exactly how he feels
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I thank you from the bottom of my heart!! I know if anyone can understand is you my man!! I create a basic custom rom at best (and kernels lately). You create the most awesome rom i have ever used!! Way way over my head!! And you get the same treatment?? Its really not worth it!! People (im not generalizing because there are some EXCEPTIONAL USERS who deserve recognition) dont get (or dont want to get) what it takes to create a masterpiece like yours for example...
Thank you and my wish is that we will see you back!!
But one thing is for sure, something has to change...
It seems that people value something only if they have to pay for it... Im not say this should happen here but something that protects us (the creators/ providers of roms. kernels, recoveries, mods, apps etc etc) for the **** we get should be put in place... Some kind of mechanism that protects spamming and protects flaming... Something with more success than the current measures we have in place now...
Also THANK YOU TO EVERYONE FOR YOUR SUPPORT and opening this thread is a good thing!!
It needs to stay up and we need to make it into a "brainstorming pool" of ways to make sure devs who do this for free (therefore they do it because they love sharing) are protected...

How to stop stupid questions?
Firstly if devs want to be paid then good for them. Whatever they get it wont be enough. This might leave some users feeling empowered though - they would feel they were owed answers as they had paid "where is my promised bug fix you lazy asshole!". And we don't want that. So how about a testers thread for each ROM were the dev controls who can post and a general thread for each ROM were you have to pay to post ($0.20). It would encourage only real questions after peole have searched.

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How to stop stupid questions?
Firstly if devs want to be paid then good for them. Whatever they get it wont be enough. This might leave some users feeling empowered though - they would feel they were owed answers as they had paid "where is my promised bug fix you lazy asshole!". And we don't want that. So how about a testers thread for each ROM were the dev controls who can post and a general thread for each ROM were you have to pay to post ($0.20). It would encourage only real questions after peole have searched.
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You are so so right about that!!
Thats why i would never want to sell anything here..
Can you imagine what they would do to me???
I mean i get abuse from offering free stuff for so many devices... can you imagine making money for it? People would think im their slave...

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stevendeb25 said:
Sorry guys.... As another dev shuts up shop due to users/noobs that don't read opening posts or explain the bugs they having.
Custom roms will soon be a thing of the pass.
I for one knows how much time/effort goes into making a rom. It's no easy task. The amount of flashing/bricking to bring roms to us.
All the roms on xda are free but if this continues then devs may start charging for their roms (maybe not on xda but who knows) Wouldn't blame them really though.
All users need to understand if we don't have devs on Android. Then basically we will end up like iPhone users that are locked down. We should be grateful for all devs that brings us root without it then no custom roms would exist.
Do the Android community wanna end up like iPhone? I doubt it very much.
Respect the devs
Read the first post, search the thread! All answers are there. This excuse "I searched but couldn't find anything" is BS basically.
We will lose them all eventually.
Rant over.
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friedrich420 said:
You are so so right about that!!
Thats why i would never want to sell anything here..
Can you imagine what they would do to me???
I mean i get abuse from offering free stuff for so many devices... can you imagine making money for it? People would think im their slave...
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Gasp! I donated $1!!!!! You mean I don't own you????

Riddle me this......

So, as a stock 4.4.2 user, who thank God did not allow upgrade to lollypoop, or marshmoron, who just TODAY rooted (and unrooted 5 minutes later) just to regain power for all apps to WRITE to external sd, who can still use any and all bluetooth keyboards....I have a question.
Riddle me this, code monkeys..... We want fast, snappy loading of selected apps, great opreational speed, best possible battery life and a truly customizable interface (think touchwiz on steroids), multi window (4+) support, support for available bluetooth devices, reliable wifi connections, and stunning, I mean wet you lips, drool down the side of your mouth, high resolution graphics. And it all has to be rock solid reliable.
Have you got that available?
I await you response.

globalsearch said:
So, as a stock 4.4.2 user, who thank God did not allow upgrade to lollypoop, or marshmoron, who just TODAY rooted (and unrooted 5 minutes later) just to regain power for all apps to WRITE to external sd, who can still use any and all bluetooth keyboards....I have a question.
Riddle me this, code monkeys..... We want fast, snappy loading of selected apps, great opreational speed, best possible battery life and a truly customizable interface (think touchwiz on steroids), multi window (4+) support, support for available bluetooth devices, reliable wifi connections, and stunning, I mean wet you lips, drool down the side of your mouth, high resolution graphics. And it all has to be rock solid reliable.
Have you got that available?
I await you response.
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Here is a riddle, what has 16 paragraphs, and is used to govern the Forums on XDA.....
The Forum Rules, read them, before posting and especially posting this in the Original Development Section, here is a hint read #15
And no response required, just read and understand the Rules.

globalsearch said:
So, as a stock 4.4.2 user, who thank God did not allow upgrade to lollypoop, or marshmoron, who just TODAY rooted (and unrooted 5 minutes later) just to regain power for all apps to WRITE to external sd, who can still use any and all bluetooth keyboards....I have a question.
Riddle me this, code monkeys..... We want fast, snappy loading of selected apps, great opreational speed, best possible battery life and a truly customizable interface (think touchwiz on steroids), multi window (4+) support, support for available bluetooth devices, reliable wifi connections, and stunning, I mean wet you lips, drool down the side of your mouth, high resolution graphics. And it all has to be rock solid reliable.
Have you got that available?
I await you response.
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Get your root back and install 'L Speed' from the google play.

Judge Joseph Dredd said:
Here is a riddle, what has 16 paragraphs, and is used to govern the Forums on XDA.....
The Forum Rules, read them, before posting and especially posting this in the Original Development Section, here is a hint read #15
And no response required, just read and understand the Rules.
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I am stunned. As a programmer for more than 35 years, I have seen my share of things. While I did read the rules before any posting, I understood that this section was for development. And in keeping with that, I addressed the lack of direction, foresight, and practicality that is so evident in the android world. Kids running the train as it runs off the rails. So my post was to set a marker, a direction, a call to focus and what is really the purpose of all this "development".
I am shocked to be chided for pointing out the obvious, for speaking truth to the very posters IN THIS SECTION. Because, believe me, they seriously need it.

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I am stunned. As a programmer for more than 35 years, I have seen my share of things. While I did read the rules before any posting, I understood that this section was for development. And in keeping with that, I addressed the lack of direction, foresight, and practicality that is so evident in the android world. Kids running the train as it runs off the rails. So my post was to set a marker, a direction, a call to focus and what is really the purpose of all this "development".
I am shocked to be chided for pointing out the obvious, for speaking truth to the very posters IN THIS SECTION. Because, believe me, they seriously need it.
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And by this section I meant the Development section I originally posted in, only to have my comment bounced to this area. It defeats its purpose.

globalsearch said:
And by this section I meant the Development section I originally posted in, only to have my comment bounced to this area. It defeats its purpose.
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So you're saying that you still haven't read the rules, right? Here's #15, as hinted above:
Development Forums (ones with the word development in the title) - For Developers to post release threads e.g. ROMs and Kernels including modifications to kernels, bootloaders, ROMs, etc., as well as R&D development discussion threads designed with an end goal
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I don't think it's really that hard to understand that the development forums section on XDA are meant for developers to post about their work and open up discussions about them. It's not for non-developers to create threads to ask questions, request for features, or, as you said, to "set a marker, a direction, a call to focus and what is really the purpose of all this "development" (what would you call this type of post, maybe 'a challenge'?). Yeah, it's not for that.
So it was the perfect thing to do for the mod, and it's not even debatable. What would make it defeat its purpose is if the mods simply let your post stay there.

Newcron said:
So you're saying that you still haven't read the rules, right? Here's #15, as hinted above:
I don't think it's really that hard to understand that the development forums section on XDA are meant for developers to post about their work and open up discussions about them. It's not for non-developers to create threads to ask questions, request for features, or, as you said, to "set a marker, a direction, a call to focus and what is really the purpose of all this "development" (what would you call this type of post, maybe 'a challenge'?). Yeah, it's not for that.
So it was the perfect thing to do for the mod, and it's not even debatable. What would make it defeat its purpose is if the mods simply let your post stay there.
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Seriously, did you read your post?
"""the development forums section on XDA are meant for developers to post about their work and open up discussions about them. It's not for non-developers to create threads to ask questions, request for features, or, as you said, to "set a marker, a direction, a call to focus and what is really the purpose of all this "development" (what would you call this type of post, maybe 'a challenge'?). Yeah, it's not for that.""""
I did open up a discussion. What, we have no rights? Just who the h%=€£ are the "developments" for? Seriously, you think it is some sacrosanct area for "developers" living in some bubble?
First of all, I too am a programmer. Have been writing applications since BEFORE 1980. I know a thing or two. And pardon me for pointing out that the "development" has been for the most part misguided, ineffective, guideless and practically useless. None of the packages take into account the tons of complaints and suggestions android has generated. So throwing a flag on the field and setting a marker, jesus, that is what this infantile operating system needs.
You know who the explorers and heroes are? They are the ones on the front lines, dead, with arrows in their backs.
Maybe someone should point out, that with all of androids potential, after years of "development", it is still a POS.

globalsearch said:
Seriously, did you read your post?
"""the development forums section on XDA are meant for developers to post about their work and open up discussions about them. It's not for non-developers to create threads to ask questions, request for features, or, as you said, to "set a marker, a direction, a call to focus and what is really the purpose of all this "development" (what would you call this type of post, maybe 'a challenge'?). Yeah, it's not for that.""""
I did open up a discussion. What, we have no rights? Just who the h%=€£ are the "developments" for? Seriously, you think it is some sacrosanct area for "developers" living in some bubble?
First of all, I too am a programmer. Have been writing applications since BEFORE 1980. I know a thing or two. And pardon me for pointing out that the "development" has been for the most part misguided, ineffective, guideless and practically useless. None of the packages take into account the tons of complaints and suggestions android has generated. So throwing a flag on the field and setting a marker, jesus, that is what this infantile operating system needs.
You know who the explorers and heroes are? They are the ones on the front lines, dead, with arrows in their backs.
Maybe someone should point out, that with all of androids potential, after years of "development", it is still a POS.
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Woe to the man telling the truth or pointing out the emperor without clothes.
Stab away, Brutus.

globalsearch said:
Seriously, did you read your post?
"""the development forums section on XDA are meant for developers to post about their work and open up discussions about them. It's not for non-developers to create threads to ask questions, request for features, or, as you said, to "set a marker, a direction, a call to focus and what is really the purpose of all this "development" (what would you call this type of post, maybe 'a challenge'?). Yeah, it's not for that.""""
I did open up a discussion. What, we have no rights? Just who the h%=€£ are the "developments" for? Seriously, you think it is some sacrosanct area for "developers" living in some bubble?
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Let me try this again. Yes, you have a right to open up a discussion. Having said that, the rules of XDA is (as you could read again, I did bold the keywords to make it easier for you), to open up a discussion in the forums that are marked as 'Development', you need to create/develop something first, and then you can open up a thread for a discussion about whatever it is that you developed. That's it. If you haven't developed anything and wanted to discuss something else not in relation with a very specific app/kernel/rom/etc. specifically related to this device, if you wanted to start that discussion then it will have to take place somewhere else other than the development forum. This really isn't obvious to you already? Just look at all the threads in the development forum, do you see any pattern at all? Any sign whatsoever that the post that started this thread somehow belong in there?
First of all, I too am a programmer. Have been writing applications since BEFORE 1980. I know a thing or two. And pardon me for pointing out that the "development" has been for the most part misguided, ineffective, guideless and practically useless. None of the packages take into account the tons of complaints and suggestions android has generated. So throwing a flag on the field and setting a marker, jesus, that is what this infantile operating system needs.
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Well good for you, mr. programmer! Feel free to develop something and post it on the development forum, where a discussion about it should take place. Maybe I'll pop in and discuss it with you, if it's interesting for me. Also, feel free to post how 'misguided, ineffective, guideless, and useless' all the posts in the development forum is. You absolutely can do that, too. You just can't do it.. (guess where? that's right!) ...in the development forum, because that forum is to discuss developments of something concrete, not critiques and complaints or whatever it is you think you're doing now. Simple!
You're just pretending that you didn't get it, right?
You know who the explorers and heroes are? They are the ones on the front lines, dead, with arrows in their backs.
Maybe someone should point out, that with all of androids potential, after years of "development", it is still a POS.
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globalsearch said:
Woe to the man telling the truth or pointing out the emperor without clothes.
Stab away, Brutus.
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See now you're just rambling there. Well, go ahead, continue...

There is the letter and there is the spirit.
Get it?

Enough already: thread closed.