I got a samsung S3. At times I notice the status bar change different colors and flash weird letters. It almost looks alien like. This happens like twice a week. Could this be the government spying on me?
yahanna said:
I got a samsung S3. At times I notice the status bar change different colors and flash weird letters. It almost looks alien like. This happens like twice a week. Could this be the government spying on me?
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I guess its not about government spying as if a government spies it does via network so it does affect the hardware or phone software.
can you post screenshot?
yahanna said:
I got a samsung S3. At times I notice the status bar change different colors and flash weird letters. It almost looks alien like. This happens like twice a week. Could this be the government spying on me?
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Maybe you should wrap your Galaxy S3 in aluminum foil. That should prevent alien attacks, at least.
Do you not watch the news? The government is spying on us all. Congress knows about it. The judicial branch says it is ok and the Executive just doesn't care.
Its only because you rooted your device and was put in a watch list.... Government doesn't like not having control... [emoji12]
One way to be sure you are bing watch is if you ever notice light aircraft or helicopters in your area then you can be sure the have seen you. If you look at them and they fly off then they have notice you have seen them are are trying to be inconspicuous. Never go outside without a tinfoil hat. You can hide one easily under a top hat or cowboy hat, even a bowlers hat.
We all gonna dieeeeeeeeeee!
Nonsense, the only people spying on your phone is the Illuminati, They're watching us all...
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I guess its not about government spying as if a government spies it does via network so it does affect the hardware or phone software.
can you post screenshot?
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It flashes so fast that I got no time to take a screenshot. I wish though.
jasonmerc said:
Maybe you should wrap your Galaxy S3 in aluminum foil. That should prevent alien attacks, at least.
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Maybe you should wrap your head in concrete. That should prevent people noticing you.
Festrada007 said:
One way to be sure you are bing watch is if you ever notice light aircraft or helicopters in your area then you can be sure the have seen you. If you look at them and they fly off then they have notice you have seen them are are trying to be inconspicuous. Never go outside without a tinfoil hat. You can hide one easily under a top hat or cowboy hat, even a bowlers hat.
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One way to be sure youre a paranoid troll with tendencies to harm women is if you post comments like this, people like myself will reply with comments like mine. If you look at them and they dont look at you, it explaims why youre angry at them. Never try to talk to them. You'll only end up being rejected and as a result, more angry.
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Its only because you rooted your device and was put in a watch list.... Government doesn't like not having control... [emoji12]
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My phone isn't rooted yet. Youre right about the government though.
In first world countries this is an issue, yet I cannot say that this is very true for all classes of countries, namely 3rd world countries.
I am sensitive that NSA surveillance in the US does overlap the barriers of privacy and security, as the main operators are humans and not machines, yet I do not confirm this is true, this is just speculation. They can choose to cross those barriers without us even noticing them.
However in regards to being spied upon by the government, it will go as far only as you'd let them get information. I have simulated your errors by means of Network Security testing, and yes I am a Network Admin and simulate stealing information. What i can say is this, if the government uses technology by means of any frequency via Wifi, Bluetooh, GPS, etc and you have these on, then you have to be extra careful. Most tracking agencies do not leave the spying to machines, they do it themselves and can choose to go beyond stealing your "Intellectual Rights" so to speak.
I also have Hardbricked and soft-bricked devices in my simulations. But what I can is that you should be responsible for gathering facts and truths about this matter. It is foolish to speculate upon the government without knowing of the tools that they use in acquiring private information.
I hope my article has helped you, and i do wish this thread is closed as it is.
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It flashes so fast that I got no time to take a screenshot.
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try airplane mode for a while and see if it stop
if it does you are right
if it continues in airplane mode also its hardware or software problem.
BTW I am happy Indian government doesn't spy like you people.
This thread is hilarious. Thanks for the laugh, OP.
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BTW I am happy Indian government doesn't spy like you people.
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BUT MAYBE THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT YOU TO THINK!!!!!!
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Maybe you should wrap your head in concrete. That should prevent people noticing you.
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Will try. Thanks for the heads up.
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Planterz said:
This thread is hilarious. Thanks for the laugh, OP.
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You sound like a nerd.
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Will try. Thanks for the heads up.
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Youre a weirdo.
yahanna said:
Ha ha ha... no.
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The truth is that you ARE being spied upon by the government. The FBI, CIA, TSA, and NSA are SO incompetent in their spy work that their spying causes graphical glitches on your phone. These glitches are caused by the syncing with the NFC chip that was injected into you the least time you got a shot at the doctor's office. You only noticed these glitches because there weren't enough pacifying hallucinogens in the atmosphere spread by the gubment in those inexplicable chemtrails you see crisscrossing the air above you.
Because, obviously, someone of such incredible genius such as yourself is of extreme interest by the government's top intelligence and law enforcement agencies that they'll spend tens of thousands of dollars in tech, equipment, and man-hours to monitor 24/7.
Or maybe there's just a software or hardware glitch in your phone.
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Oh, and since you posted this on a public forum (searchable by Google and other search engines), the government knows their cover has been blown. Expect a team of "cleaners" to arrive soon.
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BUT MAYBE THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT YOU TO THINK!!!!!!
Will try. Thanks for the heads up.
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nope
its not like the us government
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its not like the us government
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They don't need to. The US, UK, Pakistani, and Chinese governments already spy on India enough.
I work for a large telephony company. In the US, if the government was spying on you, you wouldn't know about it. There's actually regulations built around how they spy on you, called CALEA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communications_Assistance_for_Law_Enforcement_Act)
Basically, the telephone company has a security group whose job is to receive CALEA requests, and essentially they fork your call into a 3 way call whenever you make/receive anything. That's how modern wiretapping works. No one outside of that group is legally allowed to know anything about it. It doesn't show up in call signalling.
As for the wide-spread stuff that the NSA was grabbing, they're grabbing "call metadata" so essentially the signaling information, and CDRS (call detail records). It's not the same thing as a wiretap, but you can still get a lot of information out of it.
msarro said:
I work for a large telephony company. In the US, if the government was spying on you, you wouldn't know about it. There's actually regulations built around how they spy on you, called CALEA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communications_Assistance_for_Law_Enforcement_Act)
Basically, the telephone company has a security group whose job is to receive CALEA requests, and essentially they fork your call into a 3 way call whenever you make/receive anything. That's how modern wiretapping works. No one outside of that group is legally allowed to know anything about it. It doesn't show up in call signalling.
As for the wide-spread stuff that the NSA was grabbing, they're grabbing "call metadata" so essentially the signaling information, and CDRS (call detail records). It's not the same thing as a wiretap, but you can still get a lot of information out of it.
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There are also "taps" or pass through skimmers at a lot of the data pipes throughout the country.
SSL should cover this, but SSL is so freaking broken its not even funny
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But all jokes aside ('bout time someone took this half-seriously besides SidDev), I would try getting a stock firmware image and just flash that through ODIN. Doing this will erase your data, so make a backup of anything you really care about. I remember my old Rugby Smart had an issue where if the device was off and I plugged it into the wall socket to charge, it would say there was no battery inserted. However there was one inserted, and it would charge just fine if it was on. I just flashed back to stock firmware through ODIN and it fixed the issue.
If it still persists after flashing through ODIN, then it is probably a hardware issue. Unfortunately, I am not as experienced with hardware-related issues, so I wont be able to help with that if that is what it comes down to.
SidDev is right. It is either a software or hardware relates issue. Although the gubmit is spying on you (n' all of us as well), it wouldn't cause anything like that. If anything, the gubmit WOULDN'T want the phone to show weird signs, because that would make you suspicious..
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I've tried a lot of apps... none work even reasonably well. Big $$$ to anyone that can show me an app that can record both sides of the conversation on the DC. Froyo preferred, but if it has to be GB, I'll still pony up cash.
Bottom line is that in some way, even if it requires speakerphone, I need both sides at an audible level. Show me an app that can do that on the DC and I'll show you the money.
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I've tried a lot of apps... none work even reasonably well. Big $$$ to anyone that can show me an app that can record both sides of the conversation on the DC. Froyo preferred, but if it has to be GB, I'll still pony up cash.
Bottom line is that in some way, even if it requires speakerphone, I need both sides at an audible level. Show me an app that can do that on the DC and I'll show you the money.
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Wrong section, and this requires kernel patches.
jcase said:
Wrong section, and this requires kernel patches.
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If it requires kernel patches, wouldn't this be the right section?
*edit* I typed this when this post was still in the Development thread.
I still want to know if something requires kernel patches why it shouldn't be in the DEV thread.
Is it just because this is a request?
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fz798 said:
I've tried a lot of apps... none work even reasonably well. Big $$$ to anyone that can show me an app that can record both sides of the conversation on the DC. Froyo preferred, but if it has to be GB, I'll still pony up cash.
Bottom line is that in some way, even if it requires speakerphone, I need both sides at an audible level. Show me an app that can do that on the DC and I'll show you the money.
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Is this even legal??
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JOrtenzi said:
Is this even legal??
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Conversation recording laws vary by state.
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Wrong section, and this requires kernel patches.
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Happy to patch as needed, again, if anyone would be so kind enough as to direct how this can be done on a Charge, I'm more than happy to renumerate.
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Happy to patch as needed, again, if anyone would be so kind enough as to direct how this can be done on a Charge, I'm more than happy to renumerate.
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It might be a good idea to shoot a PM or an email to the devs of MIUI (www.miui.us). When I was using MIUI on my Fascinate, it had a modified Dialer which had the option to record calls. I would love to see this feature as I have a few voicemails that I would enjoy keeping permanently.
...Also if anybody contacts them, I totally want their modified version of the File Manager. It automatically groups together similar file-types on an SD card, regardless of location. I think all of their modified apps require MIUI's framework though :-(
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Is this even legal??
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One person on the recording has to have knowledge that the conversation is being recorded. I researched this in VA for my own knowledge.
The laws are different in each state. Please refer to the following for your state laws:
http://www.rcfp.org/taping/states.html
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If it requires kernel patches, wouldn't this be the right section?
*edit* I typed this when this post was still in the Development thread.
I still want to know if something requires kernel patches why it shouldn't be in the DEV thread.
Is it just because this is a request?
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I agree, it may well better belong in the Dev thread (thus why I posted it there) but here's fine too I guess.
I'm just really surprised that for as long as the Charge has been out that nobody has managed to get 2-way call recording working. I've tried a good number of apps and most just produce blank/silent results, or, that only the person speaking into the Charge can be heard, the other end is inaudible.
I'll pay a hundred bucks for someone to get it working on the Charge (working meaning both sides are clearly audible).
The probable reason why this is hasn't been developed is because it is illegal in many states. The person who develops such an app or kernel patches could face legal action against them if someone gets caught using this in a state where it is illegal.
If that were the case, many companies would be in danger of legal recourse, including the maker of Total Recall, www.killermobile.com.
This is simply not the case. Take for example the analogy of using a knife, gun, crossbow, or ballpoint pen to commit a crime such as murder. The makers of these objects are in no way liable for the action of the consumer.
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If that were the case, many companies would be in danger of legal recourse, including the maker of Total Recall, www.killermobile.com.
This is simply not the case. Take for example the analogy of using a knife, gun, crossbow, or ballpoint pen to commit a crime such as murder. The makers of these objects are in no way liable for the action of the consumer.
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That example is a bit of a stretch. What you're asking someone to develop is just outright illegal in many states if the person using the app/patch doesn't notify the other party prior to or at the beginning of the recording. Not to mention that most devs don't have end user license agreements to cover their asses. I'm NOT saying that the person who develops this for you will definitely, beyond the shadow of a doubt, receive legal repercussions. I'm saying that it's a possibility.
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The probable reason why this is hasn't been developed is because it is illegal in many states. The person who develops such an app or kernel patches could face legal action against them if someone gets caught using this in a state where it is illegal.
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Let me tell you why your opinion is wrong.
Just because a product *can*be used for illegal purposes does not MEAN
that it is/will be. There are many examples of this FACT: namely: Alcohol consumption.
Obviously it isn't illegal to buy (at the age of 21)
It also isn't illegal to drink yourself into a coma, unless you
intend to operate a car.
The word that comes to mind is "responsibility."
So it's NOT up to the developer to hinder development because YOU feel
you need to act as a law enforcement officer (under the false pretense of illegalities you deem are of a higher and moral priority) when said developer
is within his/her legal RIGHT to create it.
If there is a market for a product it can and will be sold.
What the consumer does is NOT your business nor of your concern.
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Let me tell you why your opinion is wrong.
Just because a product *can*be used for illegal purposes does not MEAN
that it is/will be. There are many examples of this FACT: namely: Alcohol consumption.
Obviously it isn't illegal to buy (at the age of 21)
It also isn't illegal to drink yourself into a coma, unless you
intend to operate a car.
The word that comes to mind is "responsibility."
So it's NOT up to the developer to hinder development because YOU feel
you need to act as a law enforcement officer (under the false pretense of illegalities you deem are of a higher and moral priority) when said developer
is within his/her legal RIGHT to create it.
If there is a market for a product it can and will be sold.
What the consumer does is NOT your business nor of your concern.
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I like how you completely overlooked my second response. I was not trying to be a law enforcement officer, despite what you may think. I have not called the police, FBI, CIA, NSA, or even a mod to try to shut this thread down. I am not telling developers not to create what they want, I'm not even telling them not to create these particular patches.
I merely made a statement saying that they may receive legal repercussions. I wasn't even throwing my own morals into this discussion. Exactly where was I preaching that this was a moral issue and that it's wrong to attempt this?
Call Recording on Samsung
Is available for Android 2.2.1
Recording works automatically for regular use and speaker phone, but is not possible for cable-headset or bluetooth. The output is amr encoded (cell phone standard), there are computer applications able to play it back.
I have not heard of it working on anything later than Android 2.2.1 Froyo, but it might be out there?
Two-way call recording requires hardware support in the device. This is somewhat rare though the predecessor Galaxy S has it, so perhaps Droid Charge has it, too?
App stores are abundant with apps claiming two-way recording, but as far as I have experienced (20 or so apps), none actually do.
To get it working, it requires rooting the phone, flashing a rom and installing a few apks. Takes several hours and may in the end not succeed.
When I did this, I got to see the black screen of death many times (telling you to return the phone to Samsung) and sometimes thought it was all over, but Samsung Kies, sometimes adb, and lots of finger grease saved the day (night.)
Conclusion is, short of a devoted software engineer attacking a Droid Charge, the world won't get to know if it works on this device.
Hope that helps!
http://m.bgr.com/2011/09/01/htc-sensation-and-evo-3d-revealed-to-be-spying-on-users/
Enjoy
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I saw that. Hahahahaha......
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And of course this extra data counts against usage, I'm sure.
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Lame news
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If they can't access my personal items, I could care less.
Sucks for them. Although we had GoToMyPC on ours? WTH?
As much as I love android I have always said don't be surprised if Google is in bed with big brother... so all you HTC owners... who got porn on their phone...lmao
meh...
You're a fool if you think your smartphone isn't sending information about you to big brother. You have a tracking device on you whenever you have a phone with a battery in it - be in on or off. NEVER think your conversations are private. Never think you location isn't known.
that explains it
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You're a fool if you think your smartphone isn't sending information about you to big brother. You have a tracking device on you whenever you have a phone with a battery in it - be in on or off. NEVER think your conversations are private. Never think you location isn't known.
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its not that the g2x gps is poor due to LG's inability to program android. they actually broke it on purpose so we wouldnt be tracked . thansk LG.
eagle1967 said:
its not that the g2x gps is poor due to LG's inability to program android. they actually broke it on purpose so we wouldnt be tracked . thansk LG.
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Haha and running cm7 its even worse right lol
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its not that the g2x gps is poor due to LG's inability to program android. they actually broke it on purpose so we wouldnt be tracked . thansk LG.
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Ahhh LG = Less Government. I approve.
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dkb218 said:
You're a fool if you think your smartphone isn't sending information about you to big brother. You have a tracking device on you whenever you have a phone with a battery in it - be in on or off. NEVER think your conversations are private. Never think you location isn't known.
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I agree but also say "who cares?" I don't do anything illegal. Track me all you want big brother! ;-)
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r4d14n7 said:
I agree but also say "who cares?" I don't do anything illegal. Track me all you want big brother! ;-)
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Unfortunately this is the prevailing mindset in America today. We disregard our inalienable right to privacy by saying "spy away gov't, I'm not hiding anything!". It sets up a precedent which marginalizes the demand for privacy, desensitizing everyone from this right. Then, anyone who demands privacy appears to be hiding something when in reality, Uncle Sam has no goddamned business prying in my affairs without probable cause whether or not I am breaking the law.
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TJBunch1228 said:
Unfortunately this is the prevailing mindset in America today. We disregard our inalienable right to privacy by saying "spy away gov't, I'm not hiding anything!". It sets up a precedent which marginalizes the demand for privacy, desensitizing everyone from this right. Then, anyone who demands privacy appears to be hiding something when in reality, Uncle Sam has no goddamned business prying in my affairs without probable cause whether or not I am breaking the law.
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You can't catch **** before it happens and want total privacy, doesn't work. Most Americans don't want tragedy to strike again, and this is why the American Gov't must impose this and that to make sure they cover themselves. Heaven forbid a day come where we see Pearl 9/11 2.0 and the government had the technology to prevent it, but didn't because it would "impose on the rights of the people".
Spy away... keep America safe. Simple logic, don't want something on your phone compromised? Don't keep it on your phone.
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You can't catch **** before it happens and want total privacy, doesn't work. Most Americans don't want tragedy to strike again, and this is why the American Gov't must impose this and that to make sure they cover themselves. Heaven forbid a day come where we see Pearl 9/11 2.0 and the government had the technology to prevent it, but didn't because it would "impose on the rights of the people".
Spy away... keep America safe. Simple logic, don't want something on your phone compromised? Don't keep it on your phone.
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It is also your inalienable right to be irrevocably, unapologetically wrong.
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mr2324jgf said:
You can't catch **** before it happens and want total privacy, doesn't work. Most Americans don't want tragedy to strike again, and this is why the American Gov't must impose this and that to make sure they cover themselves. Heaven forbid a day come where we see Pearl 9/11 2.0 and the government had the technology to prevent it, but didn't because it would "impose on the rights of the people".
Spy away... keep America safe. Simple logic, don't want something on your phone compromised? Don't keep it on your phone.
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The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
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Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither.
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Sorry. I despise the whole 'if you have nothing to hide' BS. The government now wants to operate with privacy from the people but wants to deny our INALIENABLE right to not be spied upon ourselves. This is in complete and total opposition to the way things should be.
America sucks.....wait, sorry, its the people that run America that suck and make it suck for everyone else. The true sheep trust Washington .....pfft.
Its a shame America is no longer for Americans. I have faith in our system, its the people that run it I have no faith in. Start speaking Chinese people, we may become the united states of China
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In order to prevent terrorism, freedoms must be bent. Fact of life in today's world. I understand the counterargument. It's just my choice to give up some of my freedoms to prevent terrorism. And I already have less freedoms than most of you as I'm an active duty US Military member.
This is basically an argument that no one can win, but it's always interesting to read others' opinions.
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In order to prevent terrorism, freedoms must be bent. Fact of life in today's world. I understand the counterargument. It's just my choice to give up some of my freedoms to prevent terrorism. And I already have less freedoms than most of you as I'm an active duty US Military member.
This is basically an argument that no one can win, but it's always interesting to read others' opinions.
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I was active duty military.
This is still BS.
What happens when every 10 years or so we give up just a little bit more of our freedoms for a false sense of security? Just a little more. I'm willing to give up just a little more. Repeat...and repeat....and repeat. Next thing you know they're all gone and your country has become a military state with little to no freedom of any kind. All for the sake of protecting the people, of course. Why don't we just take away everyone's ability to choose anything while we're at it. Then they'll be so much easier to manage and keep safe.
Freedoms should never be bent to protect freedom..
Not really belonging in the G2X forum
so apparently the German government (and other entities) have been using silent sms attacks to keep tabs on its civilians
they send a silent sms to someones phone, it dosent show up at all on their device, but it pings back Imei numbers and other info, which can be cross reffed with the operator log of the towers and used to compile an entire movement profile for an individual
now i dont know about you but as an upstanding citizen this kind of crap concerns the heck outta me.
i believe further exploration into some sort of defense against ssms attacks is in order but it is way above my paygrade
I'm not so sure about this.. So the mobile OS developers, operators and the government(s) are involved in this? To me this sounds like someone is a bit paranoid.
It is possible and may not be at the behest of the cell providers. Look at the things that the US government has done in this regard. The patriot act here in the states gives the government the right to view and track calls, emails, and so forth. Though it could be a false alarm it is possible. :s
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Eeroz said:
I'm not so sure about this.. So the mobile OS developers, operators and the government(s) are involved in this? To me this sounds like someone is a bit paranoid.
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Not the OS developers, it purely has to do with the carriers. I remember reading a lot about similar things in the past, like pinging a phone, class 0 sms', etc. Does anyone have any related links, whether relating to the governments use or these pinging sms' in general? Sounds like an interesting topic!
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It is possible and may not be at the behest of the cell providers. Look at the things that the US government has done in this regard. The patriot act here in the states gives the government the right to view and track calls, emails, and so forth. Though it could be a false alarm it is possible. :s
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I hear you there. Look at the new chip they want in all cell phones in the US starting this year for government based SMS for terrorist threats and amber alerts. Wonder why it is gonna be connected to the GPS and phone mic?
I'm pretty confident that the government and to be more precise law enforcement have all right to keep track of you and your movements if they see fit.
In saying this though, most governments and once again to be more precise law enforcement will only track you and record your activities should you be doing activities that would force them to.
You aren't doing anything you shouldn't be doing are you?
PS I had to give my mobile number to an officer of the law the other day, to say the least I'm kind of paranoid that they will look through previous texts that I have sent which could be incriminating, but in saying this I'm more than happy to accept my fate should such predicament come to haunt me.
My point is that if you need to ensure you aren't being recorded or tracked, do your illegal activities on a phone which cannot be traced back to you.
Edit this image is relevant to this thread.
http://www.philzimmermann.com/images/TinFoilHatArea.jpg
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Any proof about this?
Do a search for Fema chips in cell phones and see.
zeekiz said:
I'm pretty confident that the government and to be more precise law enforcement have all right to keep track of you and your movements if they see fit.
In saying this though, most governments and once again to be more precise law enforcement will only track you and record your activities should you be doing activities that would force them to.
You aren't doing anything you shouldn't be doing are you?
PS I had to give my mobile number to an officer of the law the other day, to say the least I'm kind of paranoid that they will look through previous texts that I have sent which could be incriminating, but in saying this I'm more than happy to accept my fate should such predicament come to haunt me.
My point is that if you need to ensure you aren't being recorded or tracked, do your illegal activities on a phone which cannot be traced back to you.
Edit this image is relevant to this thread.
http://www.philzimmermann.com/images/TinFoilHatArea.jpg
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To say if you are not doing anything wrong then you should not fear having no privacy in the eyes of the government and the law is dumb. People keep information other than criminal activites private for many reasons, And that has the potential for abuse or missuse by the wrong people. For example look at American presidential campaigns Quite often they have people digging up dirt on their rivals, quite often its inconsequential dirt, but the PR firms twist it and stretch it and convert it into a duststorm of contraversy, can you imagine how much easier that type of BS would be if one political contender / group had a supporter or supporters high up with access to this information? low risk move for them, and a goldmine for their marketing firms.
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To say if you are not doing anything wrong then you should not fear having no privacy in the eyes of the government and the law is dumb. People keep information other than criminal activites private for many reasons, And that has the potential for abuse or missuse by the wrong people. For example look at American presidential campaigns Quite often they have people digging up dirt on their rivals, quite often its inconsequential dirt, but the PR firms twist it and stretch it and convert it into a duststorm of contraversy, can you imagine how much easier that type of BS would be if one political contender / group had a supporter or supporters high up with access to this information? low risk move for them, and a goldmine for their marketing firms.
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Agreed. Oh and while he is at it might as well tell all those people that died protecting freedom that they died for no reason because he doesn't care about his freedom of privacy.
zelendel said:
Agreed. Oh and while he is at it might as well tell all those people that died protecting freedom that they died for no reason because he doesn't care about his freedom of privacy.
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I wouldn't go as far as saying died for no reason, I agree with freedom of privacy, but I also believe more or less that they would be doing this pinging for our protection.
M_Nation said:
I wouldn't go as far as saying died for no reason, I agree with freedom of privacy, but I also believe more or less that they would be doing this pinging for our protection.
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I know that maybe a bit harsh but some of my freinds were those that stood up for our rights and freedom and for someone to say its OK for a government to remove that right rubs me wrong.
I would to if you were innocent until proven guilty but we all know that is not the case anymore. Now you are guilty until proven innocent.
I think the days of thinking that our government is out for the good of people is long over.
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I wouldn't go as far as saying died for no reason, I agree with freedom of privacy, but I also believe more or less that they would be doing this pinging for our protection.
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Oh for my "protection" well thats okay then.
So whats your stance on carrier IQ then? after all its only sending information that will make our phone using experiance better, And from a safety issue SOPA and the Australian internet filter are brilliant, Means I can not access those nasty sites that will put me at risk, Just like in China. It does not stink of isolationisim and control at all. And all no one should want ANYTHING kept private if they are not breaking the law should they? Infact privacy breeds suscpicion. How about for everyones safety you post your private details and smses as well as your daily schedule so we know you are not going around consorting with terroists or drug dealers.
Anyone who would sacrifice liberty for security deserves neither.
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forget the government, they don't need to do anything.
all they need to do is contact Google and Apple.
they have us all under lock and key... in the name of convenience and technology.
we are all just bunch of *****es and whores.
Mainspring said:
forget the government, they don't need to do anything.
all they need to do is contact Google and Apple.
they have us all under lock and key... in the name of convenience and technology.
we are all just bunch of *****es and whores.
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^^^^--- This.
Anyway, as far as being able to track you they would need probable cause to even begin to attempt to defend themselves if any government type decides to do this. At least enough to warrant a search a seizure. I don't know how the laws are outside of the states but I can imagine unless you're in a dictatorship or you live in a communist nation the laws are similar.
Higher-ups have always been able to do this, that's not the question. The question is the legitimacy of the situations that they decide to use their power.
LOL
I love you guys who born and grow up in the US. and Western part where democracy is practicing daily.
Coming off a communist country, I love freedom a lot but ......... if you do no harm to the nation, no harm to the country, no harm to the community and no harm to anybody, then you SHOULD NEVER worry about it.
If you say "Obama is suck and I hate him" you not gonna be jailed for that.
If you say "I hate white president and I never vote for those again", you not gonna be fined for that.
If you say "I just have sex with my g/f and she moans like crazy", they not gonna care to listen to your conversation.
But if you are up to something, potentially put the nation, commnunity at risk, yes, you are deserved to lock up for the rest of your life as the safety issue for the rest.
Period.
Yes a the moment the government can suboena Google or whoever and can get the info but at least there is a process to be followed paperwork and its all mostly in the open. So if this is the case why do they need to get this info via this chip? To me the potential for misuse outweighs the potential for safety removing a link in the chain does not nessicarily make the chain better or stronger
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Yes a the moment the government can suboena Google or whoever and can get the info but at least there is a process to be followed paperwork and its all mostly in the open. So if this is the case why do they need to get this info via this chip? To me the potential for misuse outweighs the potential for safety removing a link in the chain does not nessicarily make the chain better or stronger
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Look at all the articles about how carriers gave the FBI an open ticket to their systems. The government has been doing unwarrented wire taps for years now in the name of security which is BS.
As for the previous comment no you don't get in trouble for things like that but let me tell you a true story about a buddy of mine.
He and his girlfreind got into an argument where she made up lies about how he said he would kill her for threating to run away with their child. The cops find him on a bus leaving state. Tosses him in jail for 4 weeks until he sees a judge as their is no bail in the state for demestic issues. Then he get 6 months probation and has to pay $4000 in fines. Cant go to trial as she cant be found. Now he has assault on his record and is having trouble finding work as all it says is ASSAULT nothing else. All for words he never said. But even if he had it was still just words. Nothing more. No history of violence. Just an empty threat.
Yeah freedom right. Guilty until proven innocent
Wow, never heard this until now
I saw this this morning on Flipboard, any thoughts? I would guess even custom ROMS do no good when it comes to Verizon collecting our browsing/internet habits?
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-5...ring-customers-app-usage-web-browsing-habits/
I don't like big brother monitoring.
hmoobguy said:
I saw this this morning on Flipboard, any thoughts? I would guess even custom ROMS do no good when it comes to Verizon collecting our browsing/internet habits?
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-5...ring-customers-app-usage-web-browsing-habits/
I don't like big brother monitoring.
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I didn't read the full thing but google has been doing this forever and then some. they even increased how detailed/how much data they collect with the new TOS they put out recently. I'm betting the only reason Verizon is drawing more fire is because of the phone aspect of it.
Also, big brother can and does whatever they want. The government monitors all sorts of stuff that you would think would be illegal to do. Welcome to the new socialist regime under Obama..
I don't see an opt out, unless its not out yet.
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I clicked it and it kept logging me out of my Verizon account and just showing the main splash page.
Mystikalrush said:
I don't see an opt out, unless its not out yet.
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Just log in to myverizon and go to privacy settings. Should bring up a page with all your lines under each section and you can select the bubble to opt out.
Custom ROM tracking?
Does this still apply to users with a custom ROM?
Brian Gove said:
I didn't read the full thing but google has been doing this forever and then some. they even increased how detailed/how much data they collect with the new TOS they put out recently. I'm betting the only reason Verizon is drawing more fire is because of the phone aspect of it.
Also, big brother can and does whatever they want. The government monitors all sorts of stuff that you would think would be illegal to do. Welcome to the new socialist regime under Obama..
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Yeah, if you don't think that Bush handed him the keys right before firmly pointing the economy at the iceberg and tying steering wheel in place before doing so, than your mistaken.. And being prior military and working in intelligence, I can tell you that every electronic ANYTHING is being archived and saved and scanned for keywords since way before Obama. Eery single one of your emails and voice conversations and IM's and posts. Hmm and who put the Patriot Act in place.. hmm.. Have a Lovely day talking to big brother.. Oh by the way.. They prefer sexting.
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Not that I want to get into a political conversation here, but I will, who made it a felony to protest, even peacefully, in front of the Secret Service? Who's had 4 years to fix said economy but has only steered it deeper into the hole. Obama has increased the national debt more in 4 years than Bush did in 8.
Now I'm not a Bush fan, I'm just saying Obama is bad news. Oh, as far as the Patriot Act, who renewed it once the majority of the terrorist alarm settled down years after 9/11??
I do agree the monitoring has been going on for a long time, but it has either taken steps that no one would before or at least taken steps publicly that every other regime did in secret. If it is just the same sh*t diff pile then doing it publicly is just a slap in the face to everyone. I'd rather they try to hide it then do it and blatantly step on our rights.
Oh, one more thing, who's given illegal immigrants more rights/help than the average American who is in need of help too?
I'm pretty sure most companies track your online habbits. They claim the use it for "market research". On my phone I'm not really that bothered by it, I don't do anything on it that I want to keep private, because I don't trust how private they are.
I wouldn't worry too much about it, unless you are embarassed you look at porn on your phone. Just keep things you would like to be personal and not tracked heavily on a properly secured connection at home, and possibly use TOR if you are that paranoid and want a little extra security.
Actually, I believe there is Tor available for android. It may help cut down on what they know your doing.
yawn, who cares???
Brian Gove said:
I didn't read the full thing but google has been doing this forever and then some. they even increased how detailed/how much data they collect with the new TOS they put out recently. I'm betting the only reason Verizon is drawing more fire is because of the phone aspect of it.
Also, big brother can and does whatever they want. The government monitors all sorts of stuff that you would think would be illegal to do. Welcome to the new socialist regime under Obama..
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Ya because Obama is a king and can just do whatever he wants with no one else in government having a say.
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Yeah, let's not make this a presidential debate thread.
I've always liked Verizon, but lately I'm getting tired of them. I'm following the link to opt out.
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I swear, everybody is monitoring search and usage results nowadays...
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Ya because Obama is a king and can just do whatever he wants with no one else in government having a say.
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Wasting your time. If someone says socialist regime and Obama together.. Let it go. And consider that statement with future debates with them.
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blestsol said:
Wasting your time. If someone says socialist regime and Obama together.. Let it go. And consider that statement with future debates with them.
Gs3
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Ignorance is bliss huh?
(Oh, and by the way, you just used them in the same sentence so are you including yourself in your comment?)
Brian Gove said:
Ignorance is bliss huh?
(Oh, and by the way, you just used them in the same sentence so are you including yourself in your comment?)
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Yes. That's exactly what I meant. When someone is referring to another comment they're automatically bunched in.
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Democrat or Republican the only thing you can be sure of is they do NOT have your best interest in mind. They love that they factioned the people, makes it easier for them when we're fighting about who's the worst.
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Not that I want to get into a political conversation here, but I will, who made it a felony to protest, even peacefully, in front of the Secret Service? Who's had 4 years to fix said economy but has only steered it deeper into the hole. Obama has increased the national debt more in 4 years than Bush did in 8.
Now I'm not a Bush fan, I'm just saying Obama is bad news. Oh, as far as the Patriot Act, who renewed it once the majority of the terrorist alarm settled down years after 9/11??
I do agree the monitoring has been going on for a long time, but it has either taken steps that no one would before or at least taken steps publicly that every other regime did in secret. If it is just the same sh*t diff pile then doing it publicly is just a slap in the face to everyone. I'd rather they try to hide it then do it and blatantly step on our rights.
Oh, one more thing, who's given illegal immigrants more rights/help than the average American who is in need of help too?
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You may want to check your facts there....
Farabomb said:
Democrat or Republican the only thing you can be sure of is they do NOT have your best interest in mind. They love that they factioned the people, makes it easier for them when we're fighting about who's the worst.
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Best statement of the day! Now back to tech news, I hate politics.
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I swear, everybody is monitoring search and usage results nowadays...
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I don't mind some monitoring but when they collect everything!? That's a little overboard IMO. I want an option to op out. I don't care about their strategic advertisements for my use. I guess there's no way stop them until theyre a law suit against them.
From recent new reports easily searched (my post count is not high enough to post links).
It appears that for some time now US Gov. agencies are able to activate microphones on cellular devices. While wiretapping with a warrant is certainly legal and a necessary tool for law enforcement, I cant help but feel a certain level of intrusion if people can turn my cell phone into a mobile recording device / "bug" even if I am not actively talking on it. The ramifications of cell phones allowing Gov's to turn their countries into police states is frightening.
With the level of software modification now happening with Android and iOS, is this something that can be prevented?
Do we know how this is even possible? I read one persons opinion that it might be something activated within the radio code itself as it seems to be a blackbox of various functions that has yet to be decoded (sorry for my limited knowledge on the subject)
Please lets keep the responses of "dont use your cell phone" or "you should nothing to hide in the 1st place" to a minimum.
Instead of another pointless political discussion, I'd like to see real practical suggestions and insight (not some BS like "don't do anything wrong" or "throw your phone away") for people who actually care about this. MANY people are interested, so the tendency to dismiss it repeatedly is uncalled for, no matter what you personally may think.
How about some real answers for questions like:
What is the best way to secure an Android phone and still use it normally?
What kind of apps are available to best secure your phone from spying/monitoring?
Are custom ROMs or forks in the works for this?
Did everyone not already know that? Or were all the Americans just sticking their heads in the sand? Because we(more commonly referred to as 'the rest of the planet') certainly knew that they were spying on everyone by keeping data and remotely activating phones for over a decade...
What I don't get is why you lot are all so paranoid over it. What, are you afraid they're going to find out you prefer coffee over tea and wear hello kitty panties?
The only reason to be paranoid about being spied on by the government is if you're doing something illegal.
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Did everyone not already know that? Or were all the Americans just sticking their heads in the sand? Because we(more commonly referred to as 'the rest of the planet') certainly knew that they were spying on everyone by keeping data and remotely activating phones for over a decade...
What I don't get is why you lot are all so paranoid over it. What, are you afraid they're going to find out you prefer coffee over tea and wear hello kitty panties?
The only reason to be paranoid about being spied on by the government is if you're doing something illegal.
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Because the methods used today to catch murders, thieves and terrorists will be used tomorrow to spy on and catch political opponents and those who choose to dissent against the people in power.
You live in the Netherlands, research the methods that the Nazi's used to catch their political enemies and then decide if you feel comfortable with this technology being used in the current manner.
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The only reason to be paranoid about being spied on by the government is if you're doing something illegal.
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What I don't get is why you wasted your time posting here. If you don't agree, don't bother. :good:
magik20 said:
Because the methods used today to catch murders, thieves and terrorists will be used tomorrow to spy on and catch political opponents and those who choose to dissent against the people in power.
You live in the Netherlands, research the methods that the Nazi's used to catch their political enemies and then decide if you feel comfortable with this technology being used in the current manner.
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I'm looking at the Berlin Wall right now, do you really think I do not know? Perhaps you do not get world history in primary school, but we do. As if the US political system is not already corrupt, please.
I have no idea where you are from, but if it it's USA you have no such right to speak, considering the way US society treats everyone who isn't a straight white male.
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What I don't get is why you wasted your time posting here. If you don't agree, don't bother. :good:
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Yes, excellent idea: "If you don't agree with me, i'd rather you just don't speak at all". Very dictatorial of you.
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I'm looking at the Berlin Wall right now, do you really think I do not know? Perhaps you do not get world history in primary school, but we do. As if the US political system is not already corrupt, please.
I have no idea where you are from, but if it it's USA you have no such right to speak, considering the way US society treats everyone who isn't a straight white male.
Yes, excellent idea: "If you don't agree with me, i'd rather you just don't speak at all". Very dictatorial of you.
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No, its called "take your thread-crapping act elsewhere"
evilmrt said:
No, its called "take your thread-crapping act elsewhere"
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I agree , ShadowLea take your politicking crap else where...
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I suspect it would likely be embedded in the hardware.
And not easily bypassed.
That's how I'd do it.
And I have nothing to hide. But the rampant corruption and abuse of power is becoming a very serious issue.
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