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Making sure I understand all this rooting stuff

Hi, I am waiting for my HTC Sensation to arrive from eBay. New to android and have been reading about rooting. Just want to make sure I am getting this clear:
So, to root, I'll need to to the S-off thing with revolution, then clockwork recovery, then SU to actually root it right?
I am not sure whether I need to root it, but I am interested in unlocking it for SIM and I read there's a way to do it if the phone is rooted. Also, I probably don't need some of the T-mobile apps and want to delete it. However, do I have necessarily have to flash a custom ROM after I rooted it? Can I just use what came with the HTC?
However, if I do this, I guess I can't update through HTC/T-mobile anymore right? So I'll have to flash some ROM, but does it have some modify ROM, or can I use the ROM that's official from HTC?
Can someone please correct me if I misunderstood the process? And also, can I reverse all this if I decide I just want to use it the way it was shipped except simunlocked, and be able to update newer version of the OS from HTC.
Thanks

Sensation rooting
I was just like you about a month and half ago. im new to android aslo but i'll help you. first- your right about using the revolutionary method and installing clockwork and super user. as for unlocking it for a SIM you might need super cid check this out http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1192300
to remove some tmobile apps use titanium backup (it's in the market)
As for roms im using stock but it's rooted. but before you root please update to 2.3.4 because it really improve your phone but yes you would have to flash update roms after you root. but you can find the official one's here if you look for them as soon as they come out.

pretty much yes to your questions...even if you root you can stay with your stock rom and just use titanium backup to delete all the junk u dont want. Also, even if you cant get updates officially, devs here are nice enuf to post the newest stock roms for you to flash so dont worry. so i suggest you read these three threads to start off and have fun (just read directions very carefully)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1192300
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1137311
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1232107
edit: ah, i guess someone else was replying too

darryll4sh0 said:
I was just like you about a month and half ago. im new to android aslo but i'll help you. first- your right about using the revolutionary method and installing clockwork and super user. as for unlocking it for a SIM you might need super cid check this out http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1192300
to remove some tmobile apps use titanium backup (it's in the market)
As for roms im using stock but it's rooted. but before you root please update to 2.3.4 because it really improve your phone but yes you would have to flash update roms after you root. but you can find the official one's here if you look for them as soon as they come out.
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Thanks for the quick reply. So I can only remove some t-mobile apps if it's rooted right? I was thinking of updating to the newest version before considering rooting. I think I will be kinda in the same situation as you....so when you say stock rooted rom...it's basically the same ROM as what t-mobile has with SENSE etc...but can be apply to a rooted phone without losing root right?
Finally, since you're not using any custom ROM and stuff... do u find it worthwhile rooting? what other advantage have you notice if you're using the stock ROM?
Thanks again!

rooting sensation
My rom is the same one that comes when you first get the phone. the only expectation is that it's updated to 2.3.4 instead of 2.3.3 and that it's rooted. When you root imagine like it's a window's pc and instead of using the guest account where stuff is limited, your now able to use the administrator account which lets you do anything.
As for advantages, i wanted to improve it's speed and battery life. the update helps but you'll find out that tmobile has alot of apps running in the background which slows it down and uses more battery and they also included useless app or two of the same kind of app. Right now im looking at other roms because im kinda tired of sense but i wish i could keep it's widgets.

darryll4sh0 said:
My rom is the same one that comes when you first get the phone. the only expectation is that it's updated to 2.3.4 instead of 2.3.3 and that it's rooted. When you root imagine like it's a window's pc and instead of using the guest account where stuff is limited, your now able to use the administrator account which lets you do anything.
As for advantages, i wanted to improve it's speed and battery life. the update helps but you'll find out that tmobile has alot of apps running in the background which slows it down and uses more battery and they also included useless app or two of the same kind of app. Right now im looking at other roms because im kinda tired of sense but i wish i could keep it's widgets.
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Great. I think I'll just stick with the 2.3.4 firmware for now before considering flashing any custom ROMs etc.
So just so I am clear, I should update the unrooted phone to 2.3.4 when I get it. then I can perform the S-off, clockwork, superuser to get it rooted and just leave it as it is and use the existing ROM as it came with the phone. Until I need to update to a higher version, I will then flash a rooted version of whatever t-mobile came out with from here. Is that the deal?
Finally, what's superCID? Do I need that?
Thanks again.. you guys been a great help! I can't wait to play around with this when I get the phone this weekend

Rooting
Yep your correct....
As for super CID is something like a carrier unlock. This has something to do with updates i think. but by adding this you can flash any carrier's rom onto your phone. for example vodafone and orange are both 2 different europe phone companies and they both include different apps on their roms just like tmobile give there special apps. With super-CID you can put anyone of those carries rom on you phone regardless if it's a europe, usa, or asia sensation. but you don't need- i haven't put it on either.

If I rooted my phone..

Hello everyone, I want to ask if I rooted my phone will my original ROM stay or not ?? and if yes I can still update it like it's unrooted ??

Your original Rom will be untouched, if you install a custom recovery you will not be able to install the OTA updates, if you update you will probably loose your root
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yes on both. but do make a backup if you every want to change it back to the original.

After you do S-OFF, flash the recovery (CWMR 5 or 4ext) and backup your current ROM and save it. You can also find the shipped rom over the internet

I remembered i proper jobbied myself when i first rooted my HTC Desire. I thought i'd get taken to jail lol.
If you don't like the idea after its done, you can always re-install the stock rom from these forums, and all will be well.
However, once you get into this stuff, you'll wonder why you didn't sooner

[Q] root & unlock

Hi, this might be stupid to ask but I really need answer for this -
1. I know that with rooted stock OS one cannot get OTA updates, but can anybody get OTA updates with unlocked bootloader - non-rooted stock OS ?
2. Also all the guides I have found to unroot a xoom is asking to flash a stock OS, which will erase all the data & all the customization which I have made. Is there is no way possible to unroot the current rooted stock OS without losing out the small customization.

I came in here looking for the same answer... want to update, I'm rooted, but can't get it OTA this way.

Go to Development and the first post by stachre is rooted stock ICS 4.0.3, cwm flashable zip.

Thats just fr wifi, while i m on 3g build
Still waiting fr an answer :-(
Sent from my MZ601 using XDA App

You DONT need to unroot for to get a ota.
The ota is NOT out for the 3g version or any other version at this point.
If EVERYTHING else is stock besides root the ota will install.
The state of the bootloader does not matter either.

I think there's a chance to brick your device if you do an OTA update after you unlock your bootloader?
So if you really want to try 4.0 then I would recommend the TeamEOS roms, they have roms for both the wifi only and the 3G versions.

No there is no chance.

albundy2010 said:
You DONT need to unroot for to get a ota.
The ota is NOT out for the 3g version or any other version at this point.
If EVERYTHING else is stock besides root the ota will install.
The state of the bootloader does not matter either.
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thanks matey , just 1 clarify require on your statement.
my mz601 xoom's current state is unlocked bootloader, cwm recovery, rooted with stock 3.2 OS with a small change in framework-res.apk to send sms.
for this situation also your point stands right?

No.
I put the word everything in caps for a reason.... nothing that is supposed to be there can be changed or deleted. Includes apks recovery.... you know everything

[Q] Question about root-injected ROMs

Little backstory: A friend of mine had just recently bought a Razr Maxx HD on craigslist. The individual who sold him the phone had the phone rooted. My friend didn't want the phone rooted, and specifically asked the individual to unroot it. We used the application root checker to check if the phone was still rooted and it said the phone wasn't. My friend restored the phone to factory settings and it still had the superuser application installed. Now, I personally have rooted phones before and if I have all my information correct the process to root a phone requires you to over-write the factory/stock ROM and replacing it with a root-injected ROM. My friend wishes to have his phone completely stock. The kernel seems to be the right factory/stock one, but he and I are still concerned that it is still rooted. Although there's really no harm to rooting, he wishes to get the complete stock ROM on his device. Now, the question lol. Is there any danger to keeping the root-injected ROM on his device? Could we use ODIN to put the official stock ROM back on the device? Should he not even worry that his current ROM is root-injected?

Manevolence said:
Little backstory: A friend of mine had just recently bought a Razr Maxx HD on craigslist. The individual who sold him the phone had the phone rooted. My friend didn't want the phone rooted, and specifically asked the individual to unroot it. We used the application root checker to check if the phone was still rooted and it said the phone wasn't. My friend restored the phone to factory settings and it still had the superuser application installed. Now, I personally have rooted phones before and if I have all my information correct the process to root a phone requires you to over-write the factory/stock ROM and replacing it with a root-injected ROM. My friend wishes to have his phone completely stock. The kernel seems to be the right factory/stock one, but he and I are still concerned that it is still rooted. Although there's really no harm to rooting, he wishes to get the complete stock ROM on his device. Now, the question lol. Is there any danger to keeping the root-injected ROM on his device? Could we use ODIN to put the official stock ROM back on the device? Should he not even worry that his current ROM is root-injected?
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Huh. Root is just access to system level commands, and usually some exploit within the stock rom is used to install and run SU/superuser. If it has wireless provider branding (boot screen says Verizon, for example) it's a stock rom... and you're fine, just delete the SU app if it bothers you.

EdwardN said:
Huh. Root is just access to system level commands, and usually some exploit within the stock rom is used to install and run SU/superuser. If it has wireless provider branding (boot screen says Verizon, for example) it's a stock rom... and you're fine, just delete the SU app if it bothers you.
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Hey, Guys - Thanks for the help..
I reboot the phone and it says droid but nothing about verizon. I am not sure if the Razr Maxx HD normally says verizon but my girlfriend has the phone and i will try it on hers to see if the rom is stock.
The problem is i am worried there are other things in this rom that are not the norm. It will not let you uninstall superuser at all. If you google superuser and you read about the app it does say in the App info that if the Rom you install has superuser in System/Apps then it cant be removed which is whats scaring me.
I really want the phone back to 100% factory stock as i bought this second hand and I cant take chances with anything weird in the OS.
Any help is greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Craig

theatermax said:
Hey, Guys - Thanks for the help..
I reboot the phone and it says droid but nothing about verizon. I am not sure if the Razr Maxx HD normally says verizon but my girlfriend has the phone and i will try it on hers to see if the rom is stock.
The problem is i am worried there are other things in this rom that are not the norm. It will not let you uninstall superuser at all. If you google superuser and you read about the app it does say in the App info that if the Rom you install has superuser in System/Apps then it cant be removed which is whats scaring me.
I really want the phone back to 100% factory stock as i bought this second hand and I cant take chances with anything weird in the OS.
Any help is greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Craig
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The surest, easiest way to make sure it is stock is to reflash the phone using the Droid Razr HD Utility Tool, http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1970267. It will put the factory firmware back on the phone. Afterwards, there will be 2 OTA updates to install. The first one is an incremental bug fix update. The second is the JB update.
EDIT: The normal boot screen is the Motorola logo followed by the Droid animation.

Need a little guidance

Hey everyone. I was wondering if some here with a HTC One can point me in the right direction. I am looking to finally take the plunge and permanently root, flash a custom recovery, backup my stock, and install a new custom rom on my Verizon M8.
This is my first HTC device playing with, I have always had Motorola stuff and am pretty familiar with the process on those, but this HTC stuff is still a little blurry. S-on/off, CID, MID, RUUs????
I have been reading these forums for quite a bit and still a little unsure about what the steps would have to be. I am currently on the latest stock VZW temp rooted with the new weeksauce basically just to have tethering via a 3rd party app (Wifi tether router). I actually really, really like the stock Sense 6.0 UI and this phone is pretty much perfect all around.
What I want to do is, permanently root, install TWRP as that's what i've used on Moto and my Sammy Tab, backup my stock system so I can go back, and then install a custom ROM. Can TWRP on this do more than one ROM slot and run dual roms? What if everything gets jacked up and I have to go back to complete out of the box stock? How is that done with HTC? I think with Moto it was like an .FXZ file or something like that and you boot the phone into download mode and just flash that file from the computer and you're back to 100% stock. Same with Samsung using ODIN.
I'm also not sure what ROM I want to try, so I am open to suggestions there too. I would like to maybe try a pretty clean Lollipop ROM with good battery life and very stable. Would that be the GPE?
Thanks for reading and for any help.

baune7 said:
Hey everyone. I was wondering if some here with a HTC One can point me in the right direction. I am looking to finally take the plunge and permanently root, flash a custom recovery, backup my stock, and install a new custom rom on my Verizon M8.
This is my first HTC device playing with, I have always had Motorola stuff and am pretty familiar with the process on those, but this HTC stuff is still a little blurry. S-on/off, CID, MID, RUUs????
I have been reading these forums for quite a bit and still a little unsure about what the steps would have to be. I am currently on the latest stock VZW temp rooted with the new weeksauce basically just to have tethering via a 3rd party app (Wifi tether router). I actually really, really like the stock Sense 6.0 UI and this phone is pretty much perfect all around.
What I want to do is, permanently root, install TWRP as that's what i've used on Moto and my Sammy Tab, backup my stock system so I can go back, and then install a custom ROM. Can TWRP on this do more than one ROM slot and run dual roms? What if everything gets jacked up and I have to go back to complete out of the box stock? How is that done with HTC? I think with Moto it was like an .FXZ file or something like that and you boot the phone into download mode and just flash that file from the computer and you're back to 100% stock. Same with Samsung using ODIN.
I'm also not sure what ROM I want to try, so I am open to suggestions there too. I would like to maybe try a pretty clean Lollipop ROM with good battery life and very stable. Would that be the GPE?
Thanks for reading and for any help.
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First you need s-off/unlocked boot loader to perma root..also there is multi ROM support for this device. An if you want to return to pure stock cause something got messed up then you download the ruu an use fast boot via pc to flash your ruu.zip it will wipe your whole phone an return you to out of the box. if your looking for a sense Lollipop from. Santod has a nice ROM an you can also check out the ROM by andybones is also runs very nice an has themes an mod support. If you like GPE then there is one of those also for our device.

Thanks for the info. So in my reading up on doing this, is the "firewater" method of achieving S-off and root no longer working on this phone with 4.4.4? And also, as I understand it, the Sunshine method of achieving the two may or may not work on 4.4.4 either, kind of a 50/50 shot??? So I guess at this time it might just be worth it to wait until either the new sunshine is released or Verizon pushed the 5.0 update out and see what that is like.

baune7 said:
Thanks for the info. So in my reading up on doing this, is the "firewater" method of achieving S-off and root no longer working on this phone with 4.4.4? And also, as I understand it, the Sunshine method of achieving the two may or may not work on 4.4.4 either, kind of a 50/50 shot??? So I guess at this time it might just be worth it to wait until either the new sunshine is released or Verizon pushed the 5.0 update out and see what that is like.
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Firewater is dead....sunshine might work you can download the app for free an run it to see if it will work with your device is free too. Then if you want to run sunshine that's when you pay the 25...so I would advice against taking anymore ota till you r able to s-off.