[Q] whats everyones battery life??and on what rom?? - Sprint Galaxy S 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

Since i cant post in dev section yet, by being a noob i thought i would post this up,I was just wondering how everyone is setting up for battery life I am running moar and stock kernal no tweaks, except using the smart network and powersave toggles and im getting some of the best battery life I have ever had.im getting over 1 day with 60% still left and 2 hours screen on time I would have included a screen shot but im still new and trying to figure that out

Honestly bro it seems that your battery life is ok due to the fact that your screen on time is less than 3 hours. I am also on MOAR and the latest ktoonz kernel. His kernel if you are a noob as you say is a little confusing because he has so many options to tweak his kernel you will not know where to start first. A little reading and research and it will all feel at home once you read and research. I am personally getting around 19 hours of battery with around 6 hours of screen on time. So if I had only 2 hours of screen on time like you I would probably go into the days.
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Major things that affect your battery life are not ROM related so it is pointless to compare ROMs. Your signal/usage/syncs/location/apps/brightness/setup are the contributors to battery life more than anything else.
Please do not start a ROM comparison thread as it is meaningless and will end up closing the thread.
Thanks
FNSM

Sorry want trying to start a rom comparison thread at all was more looking for battery life and to see what the rom was people were using to get it so I aplogize for the confusion
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[Q] Battery Life w/ BM ICSv5 and Franco Kernel is GARBAGE!

Please read this before you go crazy on me saying I haven't searched for this because I have. I've updated from every ROM of ICS thats dropped after reading up on them and the fastest and best working everyday ROM for ICS is BrainMaster's ICSv5 with Franco's Kernel 11/25. I haven't tried 11/26 but I've read the colors are much better on 25 and I believe it because its the best my screen has ever looked. SHARP!
So here's my issue. I want this as an everyday user, and I'm sure it can be. I just need to know how to set up the battery so that it lasts longer. I just restarted my phone and cleared all the battery info. Before I unplugged it at 6:30pm EST I had 91%. After very, very minor use (looked up the number for Home Depot and downloaded Amazon Market) I got back home at 9:30 and my battery was at 39%. Thats 60% in 3 hours. Thats terrible. How can I adjust the batter life? Can I use NSTools to do so or do I need to change code? I don't want to change the kernel completely because the colors truly are AMAZING with this version.
Please let me know, and thank you in advance!
Best regards,
Tula
Well, which app or function specifically is causing the drain? Did you look at the battery usage? Were you in an area with poor signal reception?
Before you trash a rom and kernel with a poorly conceived thread, try troubleshooting the problem.
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For what it's worth, the only time I've gotten that kind of battery life is when a NFC process decided to start and run nonstop. No idea why it was running (particularly since I don't have Wallet configured), but since then I keep NFC disabled.
When that happened it was similar battery life - lost about 70% in 3 1/2 hours.
I never once trashed the ROM or the kernel? What are you talking about? Before reading into something for more than what it is you should take it for what it is. I don't know what the problem is, everyone else seems to be having a great amount of battery life. I'm asking on here, in this forum, because I figured someone (maybe a programmer who knows these things) can tell me how to "properly" config it. Idk what the deal is with it but I was looking for insight. I love the ROM and the kernel and I do believe I stated in the post that I wanted to keep it as a daily user. SO, either you can help me and teach me how to fix the problem or teach me to give you what info you need or do me a favor and don't waste my time. I'm looking for answers or suggestions. Not accusations and negativity.
"Poorly concieved thread!" Whats "poorly conceived" about it? The fact that I reached out on a FORUM and asked for HELP? Go comment on somebody else with that bullsh*t.
Reread your thread title; calling something "garbage" is not trashing it?
Reread and answer the questions asked in post #2. Nobody can do anything to help if you don't provide basic information or perform rudimentary problem-solving procedure.
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Did you calibrate battery? I'm on this setup and I'm getting a day.
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FLyTula said:
Please read this before you go crazy on me saying I haven't searched for this because I have. I've updated from every ROM of ICS thats dropped after reading up on them and the fastest and best working everyday ROM for ICS is BrainMaster's ICSv5 with Franco's Kernel 11/25. I haven't tried 11/26 but I've read the colors are much better on 25 and I believe it because its the best my screen has ever looked. SHARP!
So here's my issue. I want this as an everyday user, and I'm sure it can be. I just need to know how to set up the battery so that it lasts longer. I just restarted my phone and cleared all the battery info. Before I unplugged it at 6:30pm EST I had 91%. After very, very minor use (looked up the number for Home Depot and downloaded Amazon Market) I got back home at 9:30 and my battery was at 39%. Thats 60% in 3 hours. Thats terrible. How can I adjust the batter life? Can I use NSTools to do so or do I need to change code? I don't want to change the kernel completely because the colors truly are AMAZING with this version.
Please let me know, and thank you in advance!
Best regards,
Tula
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Well man what i did with mine was calibrated the battery which means charge the battery completely then boot into recovery wipe battery stats then unplug and reboot then use it for 5 mins then charge fully again then unplug and drain completely till it shuts off on its own then fully charge again and it should be calibrated.. sounds like alot.. i kno lol but trust me it works and then if ur battery life doesnt extend after that (which it should) then i would look at what it is thats using the most matter (menu>settings>battery and go from there.. also make sure u have all the apps that will allow u to move to sd moved there it keeps them from running in the background and also make sure ur screen brightness is set low.. i took my auto brightness off and just turned it down just bright enough to see.. i know the colors looks fly like a bag of skittles when u got the brightness up wit franco kernel but it kills battery lol. hopefully that works for u pimpin and sorry for the novel lol just wanted to give u a few options to try.
JG & Freshie, thank you. And Braneless, you must be Braneless, because if YOU could read you'd see that my title says BATTERY LIFE is garbage. Not the ROM or the Kernel. BATTERY LIFE!
You seriously are 0 for 2 with trying to make me look like an idiot. I guess thats why you have almost 600 post and only 50 some odd thanks. Because half the time you're just bashing people trying to make it seem like you know it all when you can't even read a title correctly.
As far as the battery, I followed your instructions JG and also I started from the beginning and deleted all installs and reset to factory. I then installed each ROM from v1 all the way up and now EVERYTHING works and I got almost 2 hours out of my phone today and used 9%! WHOOHOOO!
Thanks again to the read Googlers who want to HELP OUT instead of trying to make people look like idiots.
AWESOME!
I had this problem too, but in my case it was the Google Wallet app. It drained the my battery in like 4 hours. After uninstalling it, all went back to normal.
Now if you said battery life on a rom kernel combo was FANTASTIC.
What would that imply? Thanks guys etc.
You go through all the trouble to make the thread but not spend a couple seconds to check what actually used up the battery.
Omfg this thread title just made lol all over the place haha
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FLyTula said:
JG & Freshie, thank you. And Braneless, you must be Braneless, because if YOU could read you'd see that my title says BATTERY LIFE is garbage. Not the ROM or the Kernel. BATTERY LIFE!
You seriously are 0 for 2 with trying to make me look like an idiot. I guess thats why you have almost 600 post and only 50 some odd thanks. Because half the time you're just bashing people trying to make it seem like you know it all when you can't even read a title correctly.
As far as the battery, I followed your instructions JG and also I started from the beginning and deleted all installs and reset to factory. I then installed each ROM from v1 all the way up and now EVERYTHING works and I got almost 2 hours out of my phone today and used 9%! WHOOHOOO!
Thanks again to the read Googlers who want to HELP OUT instead of trying to make people look like idiots.
AWESOME!
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Glad i can help
I'd recommend trying out Nexus MV 2.xx its the best daily driver so far. battery will make it through the day, i used it for a quite a while. Now trying out the alpha 13, but will go back to MV if this doesn't cut it. I tried BM too but didnt notice too much difference from Kwiboo and the earlier CM9 A 11.

Battery Life

Have one of these, rooted, stock rom on Rogers (LTE).
The battery life seems inconsistent... Some days it seems fine but days like today with 11 hours off the charger, with the two highest battery culprits being android OS (46%) and android system (16%) the battery life is already at 26%.
Other days when its on my desk it uses nowhere near as much...
vect0r said:
Have one of these, rooted, stock rom on Rogers (LTE).
The battery life seems inconsistent... Some days it seems fine but days like today with 11 hours off the charger, with the two highest battery culprits being android OS (46%) and android system (16%) the battery life is already at 26%.
Other days when its on my desk it uses nowhere near as much...
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Titanium Backup.. "Freeze" tons of Bloatware.. get 18 hours of fun
Your gonna get reamed for posting in the dev section of the forums.
shansmi said:
Your gonna get reamed for posting in the dev section of the forums.
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Hope he brought some lube
Haha assume the position
vect0r said:
Have one of these, rooted, stock rom on Rogers (LTE).
The battery life seems inconsistent... Some days it seems fine but days like today with 11 hours off the charger, with the two highest battery culprits being android OS (46%) and android system (16%) the battery life is already at 26%.
Other days when its on my desk it uses nowhere near as much...
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Man I know I should say something but I'm just gonna sit back and watch this one unfold lol no astroglide
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But seriously though, post this in q&a as you will not get reamed in the ___.
Answer: try one of the roms in this forum since that is what this forum is for, roms and development and such. They should be your answer since your current rom is filled with BS that sucks battery away my friend
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@jayharper08 you are welcome here!!!!!!!!!!! hahahaha
I used stock with root and juicedefender battery is fine on mine
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@jayharper08 you are welcome here!!!!!!!!!!! hahahaha
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I'm here!
OP, please keep questions in the Q&A section. These guys were nice tonight, which I like to see. Keep it up
Seriously though, OP, development section is for development threads only. Hope you get your answer
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vect0r said:
Have one of these, rooted, stock rom on Rogers (LTE).
The battery life seems inconsistent... Some days it seems fine but days like today with 11 hours off the charger, with the two highest battery culprits being android OS (46%) and android system (16%) the battery life is already at 26%.
Other days when its on my desk it uses nowhere near as much...
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If you are rooted and not afraid of flashing ROMs than get BeastMOD ROM. The name says it all. I m heavy user and i go for a day with full charge.
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I'm here!
OP, please keep questions in the Q&A section. These guys were nice tonight, which I like to see. Keep it up
Seriously though, OP, development section is for development threads only. Hope you get your answer
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I realized I posted it there once I left the house and I knew what I was going to come back to.
My bad.
appdroid said:
If you are rooted and not afraid of flashing ROMs than get BeastMOD ROM. The name says it all. I m heavy user and i go for a day with full charge.
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You talking about the TMo version? I did a search and I cant find a Skyrocket or Rogers version of a BeastMOD ROM.
BTW I get have been getting 34-37 hrs @ 20-15% on the BoneSTOCKeteer-v1.0 ROM with med to light use. Your mileage may vary, but stock ROM only lasted a day with the same use.
edit: the more you play with/use your phone the faster the battery is going to peter out no matter the ROM
I noticed that wifi has a big impact on battery life. I hit about 50% of battery life with it on in about 5 hours but with it off and moderate use I can get 2 days use.
Just a thought and I froze lots of the SNS syncing apps with TB. I dont use those since i use another program for FB.
I actually like the ATT Smart Wifi app. Shuts down wifi when not in use. I think the free version of Juice Defender doesn't do that.
I have now owned my 727R for 6 weeks, coming from an iphone 4. I am finding the battery life inconsistent from charge to charge and anywhere from barely adequate to downright poor. Maximum I have ever gotten was 26 hours with minimal use and minimum has been 10 hours with minimal use.
I have installed and use Juice defender, and have looked at a variety of apps such as cpu spy, cpu hound, traffic monitor. I have turned off notification as much as possible and all other tricks under the sun.
My phone does not seem to go to deep sleep often and a lot of times it shows as awake even though the screen was off for a while.
The straw that broke the camle was when I cmpared notes with my clleague who has a Galaxy S (I know, no 4g, no LTE, smaller csreen). But he is getting 90% battery life with wifi and bluetooth on after 7 hours 15 minutes (minimal use). In the same time period I am down to 60% with bluetooth off!
I am not planning on rooting the phone and using custom ROMS or Kernels right now.
What gives? What do I look at to improve battery life?
Thanks
i notice with out a lot of changes i get horrible horrible battery life. but with a custom rom like quick wiz. i turn screen down. wifi off. under clock it and use a battery saver plus task killer i get two days moderet (use
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I would suggest since Roger stock rom sucks the life out of the battery to root it and use faux123 kernel and Gideon's script to under clock it. Im using at&t stock rom rooted and faux123 kernel and I haven't had a bad battery day yet.. currently 12hrs moderate use 73% still.... not bad at all. Give it a try.. its not like it could any worse lol
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dmunjal said:
I actually like the ATT Smart Wifi app. Shuts down wifi when not in use. I think the free version of Juice Defender doesn't do that.
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It looks like this isn't available for Skyrocket.
1) Does it work like it should, and does it save battery, or is the battery savings negated by other junk running with it in the background? Reviews seem very mixed.
2) If you got it on a SR, how? Would pulling the APK from another device work?
rezadue said:
I have now owned my 727R for 6 weeks, coming from an iphone 4. I am finding the battery life inconsistent from charge to charge and anywhere from barely adequate to downright poor. Maximum I have ever gotten was 26 hours with minimal use and minimum has been 10 hours with minimal use.
I have installed and use Juice defender, and have looked at a variety of apps such as cpu spy, cpu hound, traffic monitor. I have turned off notification as much as possible and all other tricks under the sun.
My phone does not seem to go to deep sleep often and a lot of times it shows as awake even though the screen was off for a while.
The straw that broke the camle was when I cmpared notes with my clleague who has a Galaxy S (I know, no 4g, no LTE, smaller csreen). But he is getting 90% battery life with wifi and bluetooth on after 7 hours 15 minutes (minimal use). In the same time period I am down to 60% with bluetooth off!
I am not planning on rooting the phone and using custom ROMS or Kernels right now.
What gives? What do I look at to improve battery life?
Thanks
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I hated my skyrocket when I first got it because the battery sucked. Never could make it through a full day of average use. I did a search, found out how to root and install a custom rom and now I love it. I can go a full day and still have 20% left. All I can recommend is rooting and at least remove bloatware. I've never seen a single skyrocket user happy with their battery life on stock. Maybe sell or trade it for another iPhone.
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kernel question

i have a quick kernel question, i have cm9 rom installed and i did some searching and found that changing the kernel could help with battery drain, so im needing 2 know if this actualy helps. with cm9s kernel my phone only lasted abt 6hrs from doing nothing but txting (i have no apps on my phone except batteryxl/2xbattery. im not using the pro ver as i do not buy apps, so my wifi is constantly turned on even after i shut it off manualy and turn data on), i flashed the team faq kernel and still see abt the same, if changing the kernel does help with battery life, what kernel would be the best 2 use? and if possible could you link me to it. i have searched the sgs4g section for kernels but havnt found many in the development forums.
(if a question like mine was asked/answered b4 i am sry 4 reposting, as i am still trying to figure the best setup 4 my phone that will last atleast a full day or longer from just txting)
Jenovah said:
i have a quick kernel question, i have cm9 rom installed and i did some searching and found that changing the kernel could help with battery drain, so im needing 2 know if this actualy helps. with cm9s kernel my phone only lasted abt 6hrs from doing nothing but txting (i have no apps on my phone except batteryxl/2xbattery. im not using the pro ver as i do not buy apps, so my wifi is constantly turned on even after i shut it off manualy and turn data on), i flashed the team faq kernel and still see abt the same, if changing the kernel does help with battery life, what kernel would be the best 2 use? and if possible could you link me to it. i have searched the sgs4g section for kernels but havnt found many in the development forums.
(if a question like mine was asked/answered b4 i am sry 4 reposting, as i am still trying to figure the best setup 4 my phone that will last atleast a full day or longer from just txting)
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Atm there aren't any ICS kernels besides those two. You can try to under clock to 600 or 800 MHz to get a little more screen on time. Its either that or go to a GB rom with known good battery life
First off, have you read some of the other threads on battery life and ICS?
Second, what do those battery apps actually do? They may be doing more harm than good. BetterBatteryStats will provide insight into why your phone might be draining so quickly.
Third, turn off the WiFi! Not clear why you have it on if you're only texting.
Sounds to me that if it isn't one of those, it's new-shiny-toy syndrome, or cruft from flashing (if you believe in gremlins)
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Battery apps don't do anything to improve battery life anymore. They were needed back around froyo and earlier but not anymore
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ive seen some improvment with batteryxl/2xbattery running, after calibrating my phone battery its showing its lasting around 18hours, as for my wifi im always home so its connected 24/7 for the other apps that are updated, i will try buying a new extended battery in the next few days and see how that works
Jenovah said:
ive seen some improvment with batteryxl/2xbattery running, after calibrating my phone battery its showing its lasting around 18hours, as for my wifi im always home so its connected 24/7 for the other apps that are updated, i will try buying a new extended battery in the next few days and see how that works
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The andida 2300 mah slim extended battery worked amazing for me
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ill look into that battery in the next few days, would u happen 2 remember the price on it? so i have an idea
Jenovah said:
ill look into that battery in the next few days, would u happen 2 remember the price on it? so i have an idea
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It was around $15
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[Q] Best ics battery life rom/kernel?.

Hi, ive been searching trough isc roms and kernels trying to find one with a good battery life, but there isnt, they all talk about customizations, power, performance but not about battery life. I flashed CM9 with its own kernel and its nice, but it got crashed some times when i was websurffing and the battery life gets like 13hrs of standby and 3 hrs of usage (wifi, network, display), so i went back to GB stock. im not sure if its an isc problem or just becuase of CM. Well id like to know if there´s an ICS rom or kernel that gives me atleast 24hrs of standby and a good stability.
And what about the CM9 crashes?, its isc´s bugs?
Im wating for a JB release, as it seems to be bettter than ICS. Thanks for reading , and sorry for this questions, is just that xda is the best place to find information as im a newbie in android c:
try the hefe kernal or one of the newer ones posted by team Fahq. Might help with stability.
Then flash the battery mod posted by itzik2sh. That made a very noticeable difference for me.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1985073
I was running ultragen with hefe kernel+itzik2sh's battery mod and was getting very very good battery life and the phone was stable.
Also changing the governor to SmartAssV2 can result in great battery life, even if my phone is clocked to 1.2 or 1.4 GHz.
But if you do not understand overclocking, do not try it, I read a couple articles before I actually OC'ed my phone.
If you want performance and battery life pertaining to kernel, you can try Hefe or Lightning Zap.
Other than that, you can try tweaks around OUR forums and see the results. You can also install Pimp My Rom to install tweaks.
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Also changing the governor to SmartAssV2 can result in great battery life, even if my phone is clocked to 1.2 or 1.4 GHz.
But if you do not understand overclocking, do not try it, I read a couple articles before I actually OC'ed my phone.
If you want performance and battery life pertaining to kernel, you can try Hefe or Lightning Zap.
Other than that, you can try tweaks around OUR forums and see the results. You can also install Pimp My Rom to install tweaks.
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, dont worry about overclock, i know all the risks and even CM9 from team acid gives you that option. But just let me know man, what is a governor?, never heard about that, and how much time you got of battery with that?
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, dont worry about overclock, i know all the risks and even CM9 from team acid gives you that option. But just let me know man, what is a governor?, never heard about that, and how much time you got of battery with that?
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This thing called google brought me to a link to explain governors, so I thought I was paste it for you, even though in the time to type in your question you could googled it yourself.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2005306
As to say how much battery life? Doing what? On standby? With the screen on full brightness playing GTA? Connected to data all the time?
There is no answer to that, because everyone uses the phone differently. Obviously if I say I get 2 days out of my phone and someone else gets 2 hours, maybe I only sent 15 txt messages and they watched HD Youtube off data for 2 hours while their GPS was on.
Wifi and GPS use a lot of battery when always leave on. Turn it off when u don't need it. Hefe kernel seems to help with the battery drainage issue.
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getochkn said:
This thing called google brought me to a link to explain governors, so I thought I was paste it for you, even though in the time to type in your question you could googled it yourself.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2005306
As to say how much battery life? Doing what? On standby? With the screen on full brightness playing GTA? Connected to data all the time?
There is no answer to that, because everyone uses the phone differently. Obviously if I say I get 2 days out of my phone and someone else gets 2 hours, maybe I only sent 15 txt messages and they watched HD Youtube off data for 2 hours while their GPS was on.
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Dont get mad man. About the search, ive done that, but here i can find a better and smaller answer. And about the battery,as you suere read in my first post upside i was saying in standby and a light use, and how much it lasted for me (a very short timefor a new battery). Anyways, thanks for the link .
And thanks mike y, Ill try out your combination.
I'm currently on UltraGen with Hefe-KOD kernel. Great battery life with good performance. Attached screen shots is with lite usage. Came from AOKP Milestone 6 latest build. Great battery life as well. Will probably go back to AOKP in a few days.
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I'm currently on UltraGen with Hefe-KOD kernel. Great battery life with good performance. Attached screen shots is with lite usage. Came from AOKP Milestone 6 latest build. Great battery life as well. Will probably go back to AOKP in a few days.
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Thats a really great battery life . I have another question, that battery life is because Hefe Kernel or Ultragen?
adaltavo said:
Thats a really great battery life . I have another question, that battery life is because Hefe Kernel or Ultragen?
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That battery life is because he doesn't use his phone.
Ive noticed of that, but even when I was on CM9 i got only 15 hrs on standby, either way, what thing really provides that battery life?, Ultragen or Hefe kernel?

(Q) Popular kernels?

Hello. I've been using faux kernel ever since I got my device. It just seemed to work and provide stability, smoothness and battery life. I like the app too.
But lately there has hardly been any updates, and my phone gets hot even when watching low quality YouTube videos, which in turn causes really bad battery drain. It's fine for light use, as I can easily get 4 hours+ s.o.t browsing Facebook and xda etc. Videos and games are a no no.
So, I want to try a more up to date and popular kernel.
My choices are Franco, Elemental and Trinity as they have the most xda thread views.
I want to know what's different about each one from peoples personal views. I'm not interested in which is "best".
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Hi,
There is already a thread about kernels: Kernel discussions... You should find what you are looking for (or ask in the thread).
But better is still to test by yourself and make your own opinion.
Kernel does not affect battery life as much as you think, it depends way more on wakelocks/screen usage.
Of all the kernels I've tried on the Nexus 5, I've managed to get a whole day out of them with 3-4 hours of SoT and around 2 hours of music with the screen off. Deep sleep time with no wakelocks is also 1% battery loss over 12 hours.
I don't really have the time to test each kernel individually as doing so requires days if not weeks to draw out all the conclusions.
That thread you linked to returns an error "invalid thread id is 5"...
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iKlutz said:
I don't really have the time to test each kernel individually as doing so requires days if not weeks to draw out all the conclusions.
That thread you linked to returns an error "invalid thread id is 5"...
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Works fine on a browser, Tapatalk does that sometimes with links.
Thread closed, More opinion on kernel can be found Here, please continue there...

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