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Sorry for starting a new thread. ttran has put lot of work in 7.x roms and they are the best rom till date. Excellent response time and out of the world UI and features. However it has a serious issue which is present is almost every 7.x rom.
If there a call coming from blocked number and your backlight is off (as most of time it will be) the phone doesn't ring/vibrate. Just the backlight turns on it shows the number on screen. But it doesn't ring/vibrate.
This is the issue with virgin 7.x rom installed. No additional software installed or no additional settings done. I have flashed 7.3, 7.4.1, 7.6 (with phonecanvas and without phonecanvas) roms and have issue in all of these roms. Now I flashed back to 6.5 and it is working as expected.
It is very easy to reproduce. With any 7.x rom
1) switch off the backlight if it is not already off by pressing the button on top of phone
2) call your phone from another phone with caller id blocked. (If in US, you can put *67 in front of number you are dialing. e.g. instead of dialing 12345671234 dial *6712345671234)
You will see that screen turns on and shows a private call, but it doesn't ring.
Without this working I miss several important calls.
If anyone has a solution or need more info please reply to this thread.
EDIT: Good news.. This isssue is no longer present in OTP 7.7.. I just flashed to 7.7 biggy and it doesn't have that issue. Thanks TTRAN !!
I'm using OTP 7.3 STD and this happens. But honestly I think of it more as a
special feature - since I'm the kind of guy who doesn't want to be bothered by
anyone who is blocking or has a blocked ID. Callers can still leave voice mail and
that comes with an audible and visual alert - and if I like 'em, I can call 'em back.
DrStinkbomb said:
I'm using OTP 7.3 STD and this happens. But honestly I think of it more as a
special feature - since I'm the kind of guy who doesn't want to be bothered by
anyone who is blocking or has a blocked ID. Callers can still leave voice mail and
that comes with an audible and visual alert - and if I like 'em, I can call 'em back.
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I third this problem,
DrStinkbomb, i have exactly the same thoughts about not answering those who want to be private, but it has its down aswell.
Just day before yesterday i was waiting for a call from NYC Police because they have fix my car for damaging it while trying to catch a suspect. They did call me back, but from a private number, lucky for me i had my phone on my desk beside my computer and saw the light coming up. Thats when i relialzed that i almost missed a very important call.
So yes it is important to get it fixed.
yea i dont answer if they block their number anyway... they can just leave a message if i dont know who it is... so this is actually a good feature
Unfortunately, with the doctors and lawyers (not to mention the couple generally paranoid quacks) in the family I foresee this being a potential issue for me. I haven't noticed it yet, but the holiday's aren't yet in everyone's mind...
Though some users like not answering calls from blocked number, however as tatail mentioned, sometimes it is very important to take calls.
Several times banks, hospital, doctor etc. call from a blocked number and you really don't want to miss those calls.
I have to revert back to 6.5 rom just because of this issue.
I hope someone knowledgeable can come up with solution.
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Sorry for starting a new thread.
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No you're not. In fact, you're rather unapologetic about it, considering you had thought about it before doing it, and decided to do it anyway.
Read this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2031989&postcount=45
k.thx.bai
dumpydooby said:
No you're not. In fact, you're rather unapologetic about it, considering you had thought about it before doing it, and decided to do it anyway.
Read this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2031989&postcount=45
k.thx.bai
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chill dude.. I am not complaining. I am pointing out a issue. finding out bugs is part of development process so cook can put it in next rom or people can find solution together. If you read my posts, you will see that I have been a big fan of ttran's rom. I have posted solution myself for a bluetooth issue I found in one of the earlier roms. As you would have noticed I have tried to do my part by doing debugging (flashing different roms, about 12 to 13 times with different options and finally isolating the issue)
We are in this together to make it better.
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chill dude.. I am not complaining. I am pointing out a issue. finding out bugs is part of development process so cook can put it in next rom or people can find solution together. If you read my posts, you will see that I have been a big fan of ttran's rom. I have posted solution myself for a bluetooth issue I found in one of the earlier roms. As you would have noticed I have tried to do my part by doing debugging (flashing different roms, about 12 to 13 times with different options and finally isolating the issue)
We are in this together to make it better.
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Really. With all the irrelevant posts that get stuck inside the OTP thread, you create a new one for this? Please explain to me why this would not have been better posted on the 7.x thread itself.
And no, 'I'm Special,' is not an acceptable answer.
coburn_c said:
Really. With all the irrelevant posts that get stuck inside the OTP thread, you create a new one for this? Please explain to me why this would not have been better posted on the 7.x thread itself.
And no, 'I'm Special,' is not an acceptable answer.
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Easy guys, no need for all the hostility. Maybe the post would have been better suited in the OTP 7x posts, but is it really that big of a deal? Either way, he is just trying to help.
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Easy guys, no need for all the hostility. Maybe the post would have been better suited in the OTP 7x posts, but is it really that big of a deal? Either way, he is just trying to help.
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No, he is not trying to help, he is trying to be helped, and if you're looking for some assistance with an issue you can at least follow forum etiquette rules as dumpydooby pointed out. The development forum is not for help, its for developing new roms, he can either post in the rom thread if he wants to help the cook debug the rom, or he can post in a forum for assistance. I think a mod should remove this thread.
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No, he is not trying to help, he is trying to be helped, and if you're looking for some assistance with an issue you can at least follow forum etiquette rules as dumpydooby pointed out. The development forum is not for help, its for developing new roms, he can either post in the rom thread if he wants to help the cook debug the rom, or he can post in a forum for assistance. I think a mod should remove this thread.
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No, I don't need any assistance, I don't have this issue. I think he saw there were a bunch of people that were having the same issue, so I guess that's why he posted it here. I agree, the post would be better served in the OT7 post, but I do think he was just trying to help.
rofl - what I find funnier than the new thread are the 'holier than thou' posts that keep bumping the thread to the top....
hahaha....
you guys are funny. And now I've bumped this thread.... awesome...
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rofl - what I find funnier than the new thread are the 'holier than thou' posts that keep bumping the thread to the top....
hahaha....
you guys are funny. And now I've bumped this thread.... awesome...
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LOL! bumped again.
coburn_c said:
Really. With all the irrelevant posts that get stuck inside the OTP thread, you create a new one for this? Please explain to me why this would not have been better posted on the 7.x thread itself.
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i think you answered your question yourself. the OTP thread is so massive with 'irrelevant' posts that the big issues get buried. And if you had taken time to read the actual OTP thread, I had posted it in that thread (don't tell me you never read the OTP thread).
In fact ttran himself had offered to fix this issue ( http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2756237&highlight=vibrate#post2756237 ) . But I think because of ton's of posts after that it got buried. I did not want to bug ttran with PM's. He already has tons of things to do.
I am just hoping to find a solution collectively.
If you had not started whining about this thread, maybe we would be closer to fix which can be given to ttran so he can add it to his next rom.
coburn_c said:
No, he is not trying to help, he is trying to be helped, and if you're looking for some assistance with an issue you can at least follow forum etiquette rules as dumpydooby pointed out. The development forum is not for help, its for developing new roms, he can either post in the rom thread if he wants to help the cook debug the rom, or he can post in a forum for assistance. I think a mod should remove this thread.
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What's wrong with pointing out a potentially serious issue and offering to help ?
Here are the rules from forum (in case you forgot to read them)
- ROM discussion
- ROM release
- ROM issus due to the release thread
I never said I need it fixed now. I have already flashed back to 6.5.
I am offering to help anyone and provide any required info who knows more about roms than me.
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i think you answered your question yourself. the OTP thread is so massive with 'irrelevant' posts that the big issues get buried. And if you had taken time to read the actual OTP thread, I had posted it in that thread (don't tell me you never read the OTP thread).
In fact ttran himself had offered to fix this issue ( http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2756237&highlight=vibrate#post2756237 ) . But I think because of ton's of posts after that it got buried. I did not want to bug ttran with PM's. He already has tons of things to do.
I am just hoping to find a solution collectively.
If you had not started whining about this thread, maybe we would be closer to fix which can be given to ttran so he can add it to his next rom.
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the current post is what, 12 pages? and if you cant be bothered to read the thread, and find out if the answer is already there... or even re-post there and wait for ttran to see it...
i came to this site and read everything i could find, i never once asked a question so that i could be spoon fed answers, i searched and found all the info i needed, and i certainly never created repetitive, self-serving posts in development forums
but you're right, i'm whining, when i should have just ignored the question and questioner, duly noted.
edit: also just for kicks, my phone rings just fine when the caller ID is blocked otp 7.6
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the current post is what, 12 pages? and if you cant be bothered to read the thread, and find out if the answer is already there... or even re-post there and wait for ttran to see it...
i came to this site and read everything i could find, i never once asked a question so that i could be spoon fed answers, i searched and found all the info i needed, and i certainly never created repetitive, self-serving posts in development forums
but you're right, i'm whining, when i should have just ignored the question and questioner, duly noted.
edit: also just for kicks, my phone rings just fine when the caller ID is blocked otp 7.6
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Way ahead of you. My eyesight must be weaker than you since even after reading all the posts, I could not find the solution. I had reposted it couple of times in original thread. Also if you had read the thread carefully, you will find that several other people have exactly same issue. Though none of them could reproduce it. I was able to isolate and reproduce it after spending lot of time. What have you done to contribute to development of the ROM's (except trolling in forums)
If you can find solution to all your problems by searching, good for you.
This is a public forum (meant for discussing issues), and there are owners/moderators defining the rules. As per rules they permit posting the issues. You seem to be hell bent on policing the forum, and enforcing your own views (I see you just joined this forum a month back).
I had repeatedly said that this is not a "please-fix-it-for-me-i-must-have-it" thread (though it would be good to have this fixed ) since I have already switched to previous version which doesn't have this issue. In addition I am offering to help others isolate/debug the problem.
Just for kicks, why don't you try to switch off the backlight of your phone and try calling from blocked number ?
You know.... Tran did make a thread for rom issues... dont forget that, and i quote
"Please post your issues here since the original thread is getting way too big.
Also, please post your fixes for possible minor issues, this will help new users until I update the rom.
Do not post any thing else in this thread besides issue related stuff."
WOW, he even says please in his thread... what a little reading will do...
And so, the moral to this story is...
I'm not sure. All I'm getting from all
this is 'I am holier than thou'....
'nuff said. It's not funny anymore.
ok i'm sorry ahead of time for posting this and there is already something posted somewhere else...the search function isn't working for some reason.....
Ok so i live in Spokane, Washington where i have 3G but no 4G yet and i was getting terrible data speeds everywhere i went...i couldn't even get pandora to load a song....so i started looking around on different forums and did a little research myself and this is what i have found....
i started with playing with the build.prop file in android commander and then did some research/trial and error on what the settings should be and what would work better for ME....the settings i found are here...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-Speed_Downlink_Packet_Access....this wiki shows the technology behind hsdpa and the category's and everything that belongs to the tech.....the settings i choose is HSPA+ Release 7 category 20 @ 42.2 mbps....so i changed the text in build.prop to hsdpa=20, then changed the hsxpa=3 and the hsupa=6 and i left the APN stock with the APN=phone.....and these are the results that i got..... please post your results and let me know if this helped anyone out.....
btw...just noticed that the screen shots of the two results the lower speed one is showing hsdpa and the higher speed one is showing umts.....how does that work??? lol
trying to upload image but telling me invalid image type
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Wow ! I've never seen a thread like this before.
Edit the build.prop for better data speeds ???????
What's next? How to set your APN properly?
Mods please close.
If not. I swear I will start a thread in Dev dedicated to:
1. How do I root my phone?
2. Which rom is best?
3. How can I use Sense widgets on CM7?
4. Will someone please port WM7 to Inspire and make it where I can use Sense friend stream on it.
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MrGarak's 1.4.15v6 MIUI
cattleprod's cyan0#4.2 @1.26Ghz Smartass
I get better speeds by holding my phone upside down on one foot while wearing rubber boots.
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lrs421 said:
I get better speeds by holding my phone upside down on one foot while wearing rubber boots.
Sent from Desire HD or Inspire 4G or whatever this thing is called via premium XDA app.
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Hey, let's everyone flame the OP on this. Even though he posted "ok i'm sorry ahead of time for posting this and there is already something posted somewhere else...the search function isn't working for some reason"
I can verify that the search feature DOES NOT always work properly. Just yesterday I was looking for a radio file...Used the search feature and it displayed NO RESULTS. But then when searching the EXACT same name (cut and paste, so it wasn't a mistype) through Google, it popped right up.
We are a community. Apparently some of you have forgotten what that means. That means when someone posts something like this and it has already been posted...YOU DO NOT FLAME THEM, you help them. You tell them that this has already been posted, post the link if you have it, and request a mod to move it and/or merge it. In some cases, yes, it can be closed.
BTW. "Flaming" is against the rules!
2.3 Flaming: XDA was founded as a group of people sharing information about certain mobile phones. Sharing does not involve virtual yelling (flaming) it does involve working together to solve problems in an environment of mutual respect and understanding. Losing your temper and flaming another member, or group of members, is not acceptable behavior.
tribalartgod said:
Hey, let's everyone flame the OP on this. Even though he posted "ok i'm sorry ahead of time for posting this and there is already something posted somewhere else...the search function isn't working for some reason"
I can verify that the search feature DOES NOT always work properly. Just yesterday I was looking for a radio file...Used the search feature and it displayed NO RESULTS. But then when searching the EXACT same name (cut and paste, so it wasn't a mistype) through Google, it popped right up.
We are a community. Apparently some of you have forgotten what that means. That means when someone posts something like this and it has already been posted...YOU DO NOT FLAME THEM, you help them. You tell them that this has already been posted, post the link if you have it, and request a mod to move it and/or merge it. In some cases, yes, it can be closed.
BTW. "Flaming" is against the rules!
2.3 Flaming: XDA was founded as a group of people sharing information about certain mobile phones. Sharing does not involve virtual yelling (flaming) it does involve working together to solve problems in an environment of mutual respect and understanding. Losing your temper and flaming another member, or group of members, is not acceptable behavior.
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Wow! There it is.
Isreal's thread "how to build.prop yada data speeds etc et al"
Not to mention that regarding radios nearly every single dev suggests radio version.
You make a good point however.
Time and effort also go a long way toward not cluttering up a forum.
Can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs. And such cliche'
Support a 2k+ post thread respite with repetition and bootloops based on random "look what I found - flash this" threads - as a lot of these devs do. Then go read your 2.3 subsection etc and see how warm and fuzzy it makes you.
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No one is intending to flame but this is getting pretty exhausting and not to mention counterproductive. Significant progress was made in this thread just a few days ago:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1042553
We shouldn't have to re-invent the wheel now. No offense to the OP but you don't have to search far, it was on the second page in development.
tribalartgod said:
Hey, let's everyone flame the OP on this. Even though he posted "ok i'm sorry ahead of time for posting this and there is already something posted somewhere else...the search function isn't working for some reason"
I can verify that the search feature DOES NOT always work properly. Just yesterday I was looking for a radio file...Used the search feature and it displayed NO RESULTS. But then when searching the EXACT same name (cut and paste, so it wasn't a mistype) through Google, it popped right up.
We are a community. Apparently some of you have forgotten what that means. That means when someone posts something like this and it has already been posted...YOU DO NOT FLAME THEM, you help them. You tell them that this has already been posted, post the link if you have it, and request a mod to move it and/or merge it. In some cases, yes, it can be closed.
BTW. "Flaming" is against the rules!
2.3 Flaming: XDA was founded as a group of people sharing information about certain mobile phones. Sharing does not involve virtual yelling (flaming) it does involve working together to solve problems in an environment of mutual respect and understanding. Losing your temper and flaming another member, or group of members, is not acceptable behavior.
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If nothing else the guy posted this in the wrong forum, it belongs in general. Just for not reading the 1st post at the top of the page should be enough for a little razzing. Don't you think?
As big as XDA is people need to learn to post in the right sub forums, if not they need a little slap on the hand. The mod's need to stiffen up a bit and start handing out temp bans.
Case in point v9.0.1.6
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1051205
[Q] HTC Inspire Will not turn on. and battery is charged.
Caveat emptor
XDA and the like are primarily based in:
Step 1: Void your warranty
wow dude the site WOULD NOT LET ME SEARCH THROUGH THE FORUMS.....idk why i posted this to get a quick answer.....was just curious.....or have you never gotten that error that says the server is busy for like four to five hours straight....get off your high horse im not no noob......no one made you the boss, if u have a problem read another thread no one told you to open this one.......
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If nothing else the guy posted this in the wrong forum, it belongs in general. Just for not reading the 1st post at the top of the page should be enough for a little razzing. Don't you think?
As big as XDA is people need to learn to post in the right sub forums, if not they need a little slap on the hand. The mod's need to stiffen up a bit and start handing out temp bans.
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and when have i posted a thread in the wrong place and it happened to be already posted before???? and because i did it once i should get banned???? wow just wow....can't wait tell you screw up......cause your just so perfect...i would close this thread or delete it but not entirely sure if or how i can do that.....cause this was a waste of time.....thought i would help someone out with this info.....thats why i posted it
tribalartgod said:
Hey, let's everyone flame the OP on this. Even though he posted "ok i'm sorry ahead of time for posting this and there is already something posted somewhere else...the search function isn't working for some reason"
I can verify that the search feature DOES NOT always work properly. Just yesterday I was looking for a radio file...Used the search feature and it displayed NO RESULTS. But then when searching the EXACT same name (cut and paste, so it wasn't a mistype) through Google, it popped right up.
We are a community. Apparently some of you have forgotten what that means. That means when someone posts something like this and it has already been posted...YOU DO NOT FLAME THEM, you help them. You tell them that this has already been posted, post the link if you have it, and request a mod to move it and/or merge it. In some cases, yes, it can be closed.
BTW. "Flaming" is against the rules!
2.3 Flaming: XDA was founded as a group of people sharing information about certain mobile phones. Sharing does not involve virtual yelling (flaming) it does involve working together to solve problems in an environment of mutual respect and understanding. Losing your temper and flaming another member, or group of members, is not acceptable behavior.
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thank you for not being a ass, and understanding you have been thanked because of it.....
Now that you've had a chance to fire back this thread may be of use to you .
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1042553
Most people don't realize the danger in messing with the build prop, APN settings give the best results when done correctly.
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wow dude the site WOULD NOT LET ME SEARCH THROUGH THE FORUMS.....idk why i posted this to get a quick answer.....was just curious.....or have you never gotten that error that says the server is busy for like four to five hours straight....get off your high horse im not no noob......no one made you the boss, if u have a problem read another thread no one told you to open this one.......
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Sorry -- maybe you missed it near the bottom of Development Forum:
OR THIS THREAD
THIS ONE TOO
Not to mention that nearly all ROM threads are riddled with days upon days of data speed dialogue.
Not on my high horse.
Simply dealing with reality on reality's terms.
Yes, the OP posted in the wrong section. It should have been in "general."
Yes, the search results DID show up for me as well, showing a similar post has already been made. (Several actually)
If the OP should be reprimanded for posting in the wrong section, or "not properly using the search feature", etc... then those that flame should be too. Now THAT, makes me feel "warm and fuzzy." ;-)
n00b or not... 2k+ post thread or not... Doesn't change the fact that rules are rules. when it comes down to it, the OP's post should have been added to the other thread, and the OP notified of this change via PM.
Anyways, I'm not trying to start anything with anyone here...Just trying to say that people shouldn't be so quick to fly off the handle.
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Yes, the OP posted in the wrong section. It should have been in "general."
Yes, the search results DID show up for me as well, showing a similar post has already been made. (Several actually)
If the OP should be reprimanded for posting in the wrong section, or "not properly using the search feature", etc... then those that flame should be too. Now THAT, makes me feel "warm and fuzzy." ;-)
n00b or not... 2k+ post thread or not... Doesn't change the fact that rules are rules. when it comes down to it, the OP's post should have been added to the other thread, and the OP notified of this change via PM.
Anyways, I'm not trying to start anything with anyone here...Just trying to say that people shouldn't be so quick to fly off the handle.
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And your posture is not that of any authority nor judgmental at all?
"We mock that which we don't understand" Austin Millbarge
This has spiraled into pointless oblivion.
everyone START HERE
symonc said:
And your posture is not that of any authority nor judgmental at all?
"We mock that which we don't understand" Austin Millbarge
This has spiraled into pointless oblivion.
everyone START HERE
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You're right. In trying to express my point, I too, went over the edge. For that, I apologize.
Mr. Clown posted this at the beginning:
Mr. Clown said:
Thinking of posting a new thread???
Use the search button on the top bar between "New Posts" and "Quick Links"
If any mod, including myself, continue to find new threads about topics that have threads already existing.
The thread will be locked with no notice and/or up to a temp BAN!!.
Mods, including myself, are not here to keep the forum organized after the fact, we need your help to keep it organized, clean and grouped.
To the dedicated members that care to keep this forum, subforums included, clean and organized and grouped.
Please start reporting threads to the mods to take action. Using this button.
Thank You and happy easy searching.
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I think that by stating it and not following through makes it too easy for those to continue not following the rules. If you say you're going to temp ban then temp ban. I'm not saying a week but 24hrs for 1st offense and escalate up from there. It will give the offenders time to read.
Also as I've stated before, I think access to starting threads in the Dev sub forums should be restricted to the Dev's. It would save the mods time & energy.
I just installed RandomKing's "ThunderHawk III Final" rom:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1343669
I noticed I have a bug with my wireless not working, and wanted to report that, but apparently the forum prevents new users from posting to development threads. Must I really make 10 random posts just so I can do that? (I realize I may be able to PM RandomKing directly, but I figure it'd be good for other users to also be aware of what bugs are out there for these roms ...)
I guess I'm a little annoyed at being prevented from doing something that I considered "good" for the community ...
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I just installed RandomKing's "ThunderHawk III Final" rom:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1343669
I noticed I have a bug with my wireless not working, and wanted to report that, but apparently the forum prevents new users from posting to development threads. Must I really make 10 random posts just so I can do that? (I realize I may be able to PM RandomKing directly, but I figure it'd be good for other users to also be aware of what bugs are out there for these roms ...)
I guess I'm a little annoyed at being prevented from doing something that I considered "good" for the community ...
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Did you read threw the thread to see if others had this issue? What did you do to try and fix it? Did you look in the Q&A forums in your device forums?
zelendel said:
Did you read threw the thread to see if others had this issue? What did you do to try and fix it? Did you look in the Q&A forums in your device forums?
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Yeah, I read through the tread, and as far as I can tell, the bug's been persistent through several versions of the rom. It was claimed that it was fixed with his latest version, but I guess not ...
The only fix I had found was to reboot the phone Today, the "app" to make calls (I think it's called "phone?") crashed several times, meaning I can't call people reliably, so I think I'm going to try a different rom. Thanks again for your help though!
same here. I'm having an issue with another rom myself, and just want to post to the developer a major bug that I am having. I read throug the entire forum post for that rom, and no one else mentioned the issue that I'm having.
its pretty bazaar that I when I answer a call waiting call no one can hear me. If I switch back to the original call, the same problem happens no one can hear me. This is only when i get another incoming phone call.
The rom i installed is for Energy Rom sense 3.5
Haha, well, if we keep posting to places like this, I guess we'll soon hit our 10 post limit
FYI for anyone that cares, I just installed CleanGB v1.1.2 (for the Epic 4G):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=22241642
So far it seems pretty good. If I run into any issues, I guess I'll be posting here again xP
As already stated. There are Q&A forums for most devices. Use them.
Thread closed
Firstly i'll admit this may come off as a rant, but i will be making some valid points that i believe need to be addressed
Secondly, i really don't care if anybody finds this offensive because well points need to be made and sometimes they have to be bluntly made.
Thirdly, i'm sure many of you will agree with me on these points.
Fourthly, @Mods i understand this may come off a bit harsh to some people but again things need to be said.
Finally, please enjoy this read
Well here's the story of how i ended up writing this thread, ever since the Galaxy S3 came out many of you probably noticed that i was constantly helping people every single day, basically answering the same questions day in and day out. For a while i was fine with that, but the past few months i've almost ceased posting entirely, why you ask? Because answering the same questions everyday when their are plenty of stickies, and plenty of threads already asking those exact questions just got tiring and frustrating. Its very simple to search the forums as well as google, and to post a thread asking about a problem that can be answered by simply looking 1 to 5 threads down is just laziness and not needed. I understand people want answers quickly, but sometimes where you post these issues becomes an issue as well.
Issues #1: READ THE ORIGINAL POST (OP)
Example A: Bajee11 brought rootbox to our phones, and now he's closed his thread. Why? Because people couldn't just read the original post and keep non-development talk out of his thread.
Thread can be found here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2134052
If you read his original post right below the downloads section is a Non-development | Discussion | Support banner in big bold letters with a link to where non-development talk should be discussed, simple enough to read and understand. Its not hidden away at all, so their should be no reason why somebody can't see it.
What happened? Somebody flashed the i9300 (european) rom onto their i535 (verizon) phone. And essentially bricked the phone (wouldn't boot up) and that user posted about it asking for support. (ALL posts in their have since been removed so i can't show them to you but please take my word for it)
At this point, support should not be asked in the developers thread when he's stated not to post non development stuff in his thread.
But that's now what happened, people started helping him which is nice to do, but again in the wrong place. And posts continued which clogged up the thread and made things more difficult. Eventually the developer asked that it be stopped and taken somewhere else so that his thread wasn't clogged up with that junk, and this is what happened.
Originally Posted by Internet Guy
Don't be a ****. This forum is here to not only provide Roms and various tools for android users, but also to provide help when needed.
Take a chill pill, friend.
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Bajee11: Dude, this is my thread so I expect the rules to be followed. I have over 20 threads to maintain and I don't want to come back here for every single post when it's not development related. You guys have no clue how hard it is to track bugs when users don't follow any rules and specially when you got several devices to maintain. Not only do you not know what a development thread is, you even take on me for pointing out this not the right place for bricked phone discussion? This is why XDA has different sections for these kind of things and users like you should learn that. Anyways, closing thread.
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Somebody goes and decides to challenge him instead of being respectful and taking NON ROM DEVELOPMENT talk somewhere else, it could've easily been dealt with in PM's, or searching the forum, or help me god making yet another thread about it.
This user that had an issue could've solved his problem by simply looking at this sticky thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2079399
Why is this a problem?
Well quite frankly the people that were using the Rootbox rom now have to sit, wait and wonder whether support will continue for D2VZW or if they should move on, just because some people couldn't read the OP and follow the simple requests, and had to feel the need to then challenge the OP instead of just respecting him.
Oh but that only applies to one rom my rom is fine
Have you ever tried to figure what bugs are in a rom only to be forced to read a million posts that aren't related to that rom at all but instead somebody doing something stupid resulting in user error not rom error? I know i have, its so frustrating to have to skim through 20 pages when in reality if people could keep things where they belong we wouldn't have that issue. Once you flash something that's not stock on the rom, ANY BUGS that occur are not the roms fault, because their is no way of knowing whether whatever you flashed caused it or not.
Flash a different kernel, then have x,y,z errors? Post in the KERNEL thread about it, i guarantee you'll get more kernel support their than in the Rom thread. You could make a simple post in the Rom thread and say "hey guys i flashed X kernel and now Y isn't working, just letting others know" Bam end of story, its simple, alerts other users and keeps thing clean.
Okay so that's one post but i see a million of them, okay well lets say User A posts that, then users B-Y post irrelevant nonsense then user Z posts the same thing as A, that's why you see it a bunch. Because B-Y or a combination had irrelevant information in their posts.
Solutions:
Option 1: I realize this is hard but please people have some respect and self control and keep posts where they are relevant. Or maybe the mod's should just start warning/giving infractions to people that can't obey the rules and have some damn respect when a developer asks you to please take business somewhere else.
Option 2: Instead of cluttering up the development thread, go make some thread in Q/A even though that'll go against my second issue it'll be better than clogging up relevant rom information/development, that users want to see. I'm sorry but if you brick your phone flashing something that's not meant for your phone that your own damn fault for not reading what you're download and flashing.
Option 3: If you can't read the OP then you shouldn't be rooting your phone. Honestly folks its not hard to read the OP, its their for a reason, not for you to skip down to the downloads link, flash the rom, and then say "X and Y are missing" when in the OP it clearly states they aren't there. And what do you know that's one more useless post.
Time for me to take a breath...
Issue #2: Not using the search function
I realize this may be hard for people to understand but its their for a reason, not to just look pretty. Its sole purpose is to try and keep things clean and help users to find helpful information. How many of you use google search everyday? i know i do, probably over 100 times a day and its very helpful, so i KNOW that you other users have used a search engine before, so why not use the one on XDA? Its not rocket science and its got plenty of options to help you narrow stuff down.
Hell even before you post a thread, it'll automatically search for relevant threads related to your title.
Notice: When you enter a thread title the system will search for similar threads which have already been posted. That should help you to find answers.
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Now tell me are you blind, or do you choose to ignore it? I'm guessing its the second one. Or maybe people are too lazy to just read the titles of threads, i guarantee you whatever issue you are having somebody else has had and already got an answer for it. Obviously we can't force people to use it, but please people, google is your friend, the search bar is your friend.
Solutions:
Option 1: Up the post requirement for development sections, i know i know this probably will be hated but its clear that it's needed. People still can't seem to just get it right anymore. Maybe if they have to spend a little more time actually using the forum they'll actually start to realize all these helpful things around them.
Option 2: Can we just start banning people? haha i kid i kid. But seriously, can we give Rom developers the right to edit posts in their respective threads, so if they deem something as pointless, then bam deleted
At this point i'm out of breath and tired from staring at the screen.
But i'll leave with this 99% of errors are user errors not rom errors. Yes that's right i'm blaming the users, because hey its your fault for messing something up. I flash rom's everyday and yet i don't have these crazy errors that others have, but hey i'm flashing stuff that's meant for my phone People really need to stop being dumb and start reading the OP it contains so much information, i swear some of you will flashing anything even if in the OP it states "THIS WILL DESTROY YOUR PHONE" and guess what, you'll flash it anyways because you're too lazy to take ONE minute to read it. You could read while making your nandroid backup, oh hey that's a great idea And when you have an issue, just use the search function.
I understand we were all noobs at once, but still... like i said, most issues are user error.
TLTR:
-Please read OP's
-Please use the search bar
-Please post issues in their respective threads
-Please don't post irrelevant nonsense in development threads, that's not the place for it.
-Please if you flash anything not stock with the rom, don't blame the rom.
-Please post rom issues in rom threads, and kernel issues in kernel threads.
-Please if you do something stupid, keep it out of the rom/kernel thread.
-Please read stickies, they contain more information than your heart desires and will help you in the long run.
-Please try and understand where i am coming from
Oh and again, i don't care if i offended some of you.
-NeverEndingXsin
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Haha, you quoted that?
I don't let phone stuff get to me. Life's too short. But maybe this will help, maybe not
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On accident. I'm so used to replying with a quote that I forgot not to.
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bobAbooE said:
Haha, you quoted that?
I don't let phone stuff get to me. Life's too short. But maybe this will help, maybe not
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The final straw for me was that a recognized developer closed his thread due to people being rude, inconsiderate, and not reading the OP. Figured it was time to say something.
Neverendingxsin said:
The final straw for me was that a recognized developer closed his thread due to people being rude, inconsiderate, and not reading the OP. Figured it was time to say something.
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Happened when I was on the Rezound as well. People made Erishasnobattery really mad, and he and Apophis closed off the paradigm thread.
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Obaterista93 said:
Happened when I was on the Rezound as well. People made Erishasnobattery really mad, and he and Apophis closed off the paradigm thread.
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Its a damn shame things go down like that. But i can't blame the developers for getting sick of it. People expect everything to be handed to them on a silver platter, but that's not how life is.
Good thread Neverendingxsin. I've had this problem too and had to get mods to intervene multiple times due to childish behavior -_-
PureMotive said:
Good thread Neverendingxsin. I've had this problem too and had to get mods to intervene multiple times due to childish behavior -_-
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Thanks As a user myself i find it hard enough to deal with, as a developer i imagine its a whole lot worse. Just trying to make things a bit easier for you guys!
This really needed to be said. People feel way to entitled around here. You don't realize what you have until you lose it.
luis86dr said:
This really needed to be said. People feel way to entitled around here. You don't realize what you have until you lose it.
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I couldn't agree more. Everything that i know to this day about android i learned by reading threads, reading stickies, and paying attention to problems others are having and the solutions to them. Its not hard to do.
Neverendingxsin said:
I couldn't agree more. Everything that i know to this day about android i learned by reading threads, reading stickies, and paying attention to problems others are having and the solutions to them. Its not hard to do.
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If only everyone could have that mentality, it would make the drama on XDA far less than what it is.
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If only everyone could have that mentality, it would make the drama on XDA far less than what it is.
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Keyword: "If" i doubt that would ever happen
The problem is the people that post all that clutter aren't going to find this thread. They are way too lazy.
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llama555 said:
The problem is the people that post all that clutter aren't going to find this thread. They are way too lazy.
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Not even that they won't find the thread, but they'll just skip over it. And then anyone that actually opens the thread most likely won't bother to read this OP either...
That's the truth
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Unfortunately, it's always going to happen. The best we can do is report the offending posts. The more you report, the more the mods, and admins will take notice. They will in turn, notify the offenders, and remove the posts/threads.
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Unfortunately, it's always going to happen. The best we can do is report the offending posts. The more you report, the more the mods, and admins will take notice. They will in turn, notify the offenders, and remove the posts/threads.
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Mhmmmm. But when developers decide they don't want to develop for a particular phone due to users being like that it starts to become an issue.
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Mhmmmm. But when developers decide they don't want to develop for a particular phone due to users being like that it starts to become an issue.
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That's why you report the offending posts, as soon as you see them.
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That's why you report the offending posts, as soon as you see them.
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Shouldn't be necessary in the first place. My entire point is that people should be reading OPs and showing respect for them.
When i go to look into other threads where i had asked for help, i can still view them, but they all show as thread deleted, even though the issue hasnt been totally resolved yet...
why is that??
the past 4 or 5 things i was quoted on, the actual threads were deleted..... not moved but deleted, as far as i can see....
ETA: unless the forum functions in some new way now, this one i just posted right now, the first button says "thread deleted"...
Hi! I see no threads deleted of yours...?
Do you mean other people's threads are deleted? Any links I can check?
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A screen shot too maybe?