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What version of Duttys 6.1 is best?

Build 19199 or Build 5.2.19716 updated FEB 20.2008 seems to be the newer one?

i personally prefer 19716 build but you can try both and figure it out. there was no need to open a whole new thread just 4 this question.

It's a perfectly valid question dude.
Like most people I am frustrated by people asking the same questions again and again, but I am concerned that this forum is in danger of heading down a bad road by bashing noobs at every opportunity.

Rabangus said:
It's a perfectly valid question dude.
Like most people I am frustrated by people asking the same questions again and again, but I am concerned that this forum is in danger of heading down a bad road by bashing noobs at every opportunity.
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Yes it's a perfectly valid question to ask in Dutty's thread about his ROM not creating a whole new thread about it.

totally agree.
You could argue this is like asking a parent which one of their kids they like the most!
Best thing is to try both and see which you prefer. There will be advocates for both.
ps don't try that with your kids. it will end you up in jail.

I use each rom on my 2 tilts. I feel that 197 is more stable. 191 sometimes freeze if you push some buttons whil they are booting up. doesn't happen to 197.

No disrespect to anyone here on the board, but Dutty's thread is quickly becoming useless to me. I'm not going to weed through 330+ pages of replies to try to follow a conversation or find a piece of information in there. That thread is quickly becoming it's own universe.
I'm glad this thread was started - It's good information for me that I wouldn't have otherwise found.
Regards,
Jeff

trick420 said:
No disrespect to anyone here on the board, but Dutty's thread is quickly becoming useless to me. I'm not going to weed through 330+ pages of replies to try to follow a conversation or find a piece of information in there. That thread is quickly becoming it's own universe.
I'm glad this thread was started - It's good information for me that I wouldn't have otherwise found.
Regards,
Jeff
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Here's the point....I garuntee if you post in there with a question it will be answered...there's no point in making a new thread....that's all I'm saying.

alltheway said:
Here's the point....I garuntee if you post in there with a question it will be answered...there's no point in making a new thread....that's all I'm saying.
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Posted a question ... no answer.
That thread is bull....
It took me 5 minutes to even find my posting.
The thread might make sense if someone was moderating it ... meaning putting questions into the first post with links to answers. But this? Bull!

coolVariable said:
Posted a question ... no answer.
That thread is bull....
It took me 5 minutes to even find my posting.
The thread might make sense if someone was moderating it ... meaning putting questions into the first post with links to answers. But this? Bull!
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Yeah, all threads suffer from this, and I'm also totally agreeing with you, I'm also in the same situation, cannot read hundreds of posts and pages of every ROM thread to find out if it's a suitable one to upgrade to. Trying out so many ROMs until satisfied is not an option for me (ok, I'd admit trying a few, but not every version of every flavour of wm6.1), I want to find one to get rid of my german wm6.0 and have iGo still working, and no issues more than with 6.0.
An updated FAQ in the beginning posts of the respective threads would be useful, but even better, real wiki articles (not just links back to forum threads). Don't want to upset people who discovered the Internet just when these forums where already around, but on mailing lists information and discussions where easier to follow and filter...
Just my 0.2€...

Back to the question: which is the best?
Let me tell you: the new 19716 RTM out to come soon will be the best and fastest ever!!!

MS Voice Command in latest Dutty

Does anyone know what Dutty changed from his 4/9 release from his 4/1 release in relation to MS Voice Command?
He lists the same version (1.6.19209) in both ROMs. However in the 4/1 ROM incoming announcments do not work over BT and in the 4/9 release they do work.
I would stick with using Dutty's 4/9 ROM (for I appreciate his contributions) however the default SIP in that ROM is just horrendous and to get it to use a different SIP involves having to install two additional "SIP" changer programs, and even when it works my device acts up occassionally just starting to type on it's own and then locking up (happened 3 times after a fresh flash and nothing but trying to install PCM Keyboard based on the info in the thread).
I really need MSVC fully working (with BT announcements) and am most likely going to have to go to a clean ROM since no other ROM seems to have this working, and none of the fixes that are out there can be applied to a ROM that has it cooked in already.
Thanks

There is a patch around for VC fixes the announce bug. A quick Google will turn it up for you.

post location
I would think a senior member would know better then to post a question like this on the main page. Users of this web site should be assigned points doing dumb things like posting questions about specific roms on the main page, or not doing their research. The more points a user gets the lower their rating and leading to the eventual "time out" not being able to post for a determined length of time. But seriously I hate reading over 100 pages of dumb a** posts and repeat questions about the rom that I have chosen to install. Out of 100 pages on this site I think 10 are relevent. I have been on this site for a few months and more as a non member. I don't have many posts because when I have a question I look it up and find the answer instead of relying on others to do it for me.

LOL, nice one guys.

I HAVE known about a VC patch, however it appears to be the same patch that has been around for quite some time. I used it on my 6800 to get VC even working on my device, however it did not fix the announce bug. In addition, since the patch has been available for so long I find it strange that it wasn't included in the 4/1 ROM since this was a well known problem (and apparantly an available fix?) well before that date. Also, from my recollection the "fix" replaces pretty much all of the VC files...which I would think (although maybe i'm incorrect here) cause VC to show a different version number. But, in both ROMs the version # is the same.
As to ALL of your responses...
It is posts like yours that do more to overtake the precious commodity of space that you think exists on this site. It is why when a newbie (or someone who has been around a bit, like myself) has to search through 50 threads to find any type of adequate response, because posts like yours serve to obscure information rather than present it.
It is posts like yours that is what is wrong with this site and prevent it from being as valuable a resource to old and new members alike. If instead of your criticizing and mocking you simply stated the answer (if you knew it conclusively), or linked to a thread where someone else conclusively stated the answer, or simply didn't respond, then we wouldn't have these issues that some of you think are so critically horrible with this site.
If you all took the high road and simply linked to the appropriate thread, then guess what...ALL THREADS ABOUT A TOPIC WOULD LEAD TO THE PROPER ANSWER. Thus, when doing a simple search, it would be exceedingly simple to find the answer. This forum is JUST as cluttered with useless posts like yours as they are with posts like mine. However my post at leasts attempt to gain and share information, where your posts serve to mock, belittle, and obfuscate.
@hvbelton - While I appreciate your seemingly helpful response, it is not much use and serves as more wasted space. Let's assume that as a Senior member I did some basic searches and already had some exposure to the topic but was still confused on some point. It would have been better to provide a link yourself if you are highly familiar with the answer instead of vaguely pointing me in some direction which won't likely give any further focus to what i am looking for.
@mlcohen - I think I address the total uselessness of your post above. Ignore a post if you don't want to respond. Think about the fact that posts like yours (which there are hundreds if not thousands on this site) serve as banal a purpose as you claim my post does.
@P1Tater - I almost don't want to address this response. I'll only say it is sophmoric and serves 0 purpose in a place like this where people are supposed to gather and share information.

@ benga
Nothing was meant towards you. I was just chuckling at what was previously posted. Why is everyone so dad-gum touchy lately?

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@ benga
Nothing was meant towards you. I was just chuckling at what was previously posted. Why is everyone so dad-gum touchy lately?
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Because nobody hugged them enough when they were little?

P1Tater said:
@ benga
Nothing was meant towards you. I was just chuckling at what was previously posted. Why is everyone so dad-gum touchy lately?
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I am touchy because I am being called dumb and lazy (not doing my research) by a lurker who has given nothing back to this community (hvbelton). I won't state that I have been a MAJOR contributor here. But at least half my posts are to foster valid discussion or give answers to questions I can.
Then in addition to that post, yours serves to further the sentiment by reinforcing it.
If I am dumb or lazy for being legitimately confused by a patch, which replaces ALL the files of a program with versions that are months (if not over a year) older than the current release, AND still displays the same version number, then I admit to it. However there are many as dumb and lazy as myself as this is a hot topic across many forum boards.
Maybe one of you brilliant programmers would like to go into detail about what the specific problem is with even the latest release of VC in Dutty's 4/1 ROM and why incoming announcments still don't work? Please describe in depth as to why replacing the core DLLs with a much older version (and are they also patched?...and why are the file sizes so considerably smaller?) will fix the issue.
If you took your time to add something to the conversation instead of bringing it to a lower level, we might ALL learn something new. I'm sure that 99.9% of those who might have used this fix still don't understand why it works. This is after all xda-developers, not xda-letmegrabsomefilesandjustloadthemonmydeviceandseewhathappens

bengalih said:
I am touchy because I am being called dumb and lazy (not doing my research) by a lurker who has given nothing back to this community (hvbelton). I won't state that I have been a MAJOR contributor here. But at least half my posts are to foster valid discussion or give answers to questions I can.
Then in addition to that post, yours serves to further the sentiment by reinforcing it.
If I am dumb or lazy for being legitimately confused by a patch, which replaces ALL the files of a program with versions that are months (if not over a year) older than the current release, AND still displays the same version number, then I admit to it. However there are many as dumb and lazy as myself as this is a hot topic across many forum boards.
Maybe one of you brilliant programmers would like to go into detail about what the specific problem is with even the latest release of VC in Dutty's 4/1 ROM and why incoming announcments still don't work? Please describe in depth as to why replacing the core DLLs with a much older version (and are they also patched?...and why are the file sizes so considerably smaller?) will fix the issue.
If you took your time to add something to the conversation instead of bringing it to a lower level, we might ALL learn something new. I'm sure that 99.9% of those who might have used this fix still don't understand why it works. This is after all xda-developers, not xda-letmegrabsomefilesandjustloadthemonmydeviceandseewhathappens
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Geesh man have a xanax. It was a freaking chuckle. It's not like i came to your house and had my way with your other half (as long as its of the female persuasion). Chill

thank you in advance

Hi Everyone,
I too would love to hear the solution to this problem. Hopefully some knowledgeable person will share the answer and help us all.
Thanks in advance!!!

bengalih said:
As to ALL of your responses...
It is posts like yours that do more to overtake the precious commodity of space that you think exists on this site. It is why when a newbie (or someone who has been around a bit, like myself) has to search through 50 threads to find any type of adequate response, because posts like yours serve to obscure information rather than present it.
It is posts like yours that is what is wrong with this site and prevent it from being as valuable a resource to old and new members alike. If instead of your criticizing and mocking you simply stated the answer (if you knew it conclusively), or linked to a thread where someone else conclusively stated the answer, or simply didn't respond, then we wouldn't have these issues that some of you think are so critically horrible with this site.
If you all took the high road and simply linked to the appropriate thread, then guess what...ALL THREADS ABOUT A TOPIC WOULD LEAD TO THE PROPER ANSWER. Thus, when doing a simple search, it would be exceedingly simple to find the answer. This forum is JUST as cluttered with useless posts like yours as they are with posts like mine. However my post at leasts attempt to gain and share information, where your posts serve to mock, belittle, and obfuscate.
@hvbelton - While I appreciate your seemingly helpful response, it is not much use and serves as more wasted space. Let's assume that as a Senior member I did some basic searches and already had some exposure to the topic but was still confused on some point. It would have been better to provide a link yourself if you are highly familiar with the answer instead of vaguely pointing me in some direction which won't likely give any further focus to what i am looking for.
@mlcohen - I think I address the total uselessness of your post above. Ignore a post if you don't want to respond. Think about the fact that posts like yours (which there are hundreds if not thousands on this site) serve as banal a purpose as you claim my post does.
@P1Tater - I almost don't want to address this response. I'll only say it is sophmoric and serves 0 purpose in a place like this where people are supposed to gather and share information.
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AMEN BROTHER! I feel the same way. If someone posts something in the wrong section, stop being a thread troll and either contribute to a constructive response, or SHUT THE HELL UP. Send the user a PM and ask them to move it to the right post, instead of filling up valuable space with useless info.
I completely agree, it's useless trying to search for information when you have 50 pages of crap to go through.
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ANSWER:
Ok with that being said (and I know you said you didn't want to use this, but I am posting it for others) here is a link to the thread regarding fixing the announce issues:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=333260&highlight=voice+command+fix
It is working on my tilt, without using the patch. I just had to go into the VC settings (Start > Settings > Personal > Voice Command) Click on annoucements, and select the annoucement method, and uncheck "Only during free time"

Just got my Att Fuze what are some good programs to DL?

whats some good programs to install?

Um well....... what do you want to do? Are you going to flash a new ROM? What are you using the phone for? These are the questions I have for you. Without knowing that we can't tell you what to look for.

sigh.. just go to the site in my sig, tailored just for you.
And before you post on xda again please read the rules and guidelines first.

Click my sig, i got hundreds of cabs.

I know the OP asked when he could have searched...
But i am in the same boat and was also wondering what everyone is using. His question (and the replies with apps in the sigs) is going to make my life better too
So thanks OP for asking a disliked but useful question....

Dillsnik said:
asking a disliked but useful question....
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for the 10^10000000000th time.

well, i look at it this way...it doesn't hurt anyone here if someone ASKS....there is no gun to your head to answer it. only chime in if you feel like it. The OP's title is very explanatory of what he was asking so no one should have opened the thread unless they either wanted to reply or were curious of the responses given (like me). To be fair, i have never quite understood the strictness imposed which seems to cause so much frustration in (many) forums.

Signal to noise ratio, man. The fewer redundant threads, the fewer months it takes someone to get the same knowledge and tools from xda forums for their phone.
I had no problem answering his question (hell I spent countless hours designing a website to accommodate people in his shoes) and I'm sorry if I came off as bitter but the rules make sense to the people who made the rules and to me and especially to those reading the forums on their phones with a browser or RSS.
Think of Slashdot. There by default you wouldn't see things like this as they would get moderated below the default threshold. If you're so inclined, you can modify the threshold up or down or order the posts in various directions. That makes Slashdot a lot better than it used to be before they coded that. But wouldn't it be nice if XDA could continue to get away without needing the forum equivalent of that kind of system if people would just post properly and when newcomers do not that they are advised to check the rules (and, in this case, their questions get answered too)?
And yes, because of this thread a bunch of people are getting cabs they didn't have from various sigs and now that this is turning into a debate a lot more people will get cabs. But would you not agree now that we are both right? Or do you truly not mind the boards being flooded with the same questions the wiki and searching satisfies? Not to mention spam and people trying to sell their phones. Signal to noise ratio.
Doug

Dillsnik said:
well, i look at it this way...it doesn't hurt anyone here if someone ASKS....there is no gun to your head to answer it. only chime in if you feel like it. The OP's title is very explanatory of what he was asking so no one should have opened the thread unless they either wanted to reply or were curious of the responses given (like me). To be fair, i have never quite understood the strictness imposed which seems to cause so much frustration in (many) forums.
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I think for some it's just a matter of frustration. I've been guilty of it myself, and got my hand slapped by the mods in Q&A for an inappropriate flame. Speaking for myself, I first joined a little over a year ago and read everything available. This allowed me to avoid asking questions that had already been answered. I'd hazard to guess that the "ask first and search later" approach is viewed by some as intellectually lazy. I can also see the other side that you point out. This site can be very intimidating and some people may just not know what to look for -- especially if they're new to WinMo. I've now adopted a no-flame approach (don't want to get slapped again). I'm certainly no expert, but I occasionally can provide an answer or suggestion, even if it's nothing other than providing a link to the appropriate thread. I figure it's the least I can do for all the great help I've received here.

d0ugie said:
Signal to noise ratio, man.
Doug
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Can't help but say that in my head with the Dude's voice from The Big Lebowski.
Well put! I trolled this board months before I got my Fuze on release day. After I got it, I finally registered at xda. Just now I flashed my phone with a NAFT's new ROM. Countless threads of information to go through for someone with tendencies of ADD its hard to take it all in a fast as I want to. Many saved bookmarked threads. Think this might be my 4th post. I wanted to take the easy/short cut and ask but all the information is there. Just had to search and read & read & read again.
There are many talented, smart & helpful people on the forum. This forum totally kick ass in all reality.
BTW d0ugie, website kicks ass! Helped me out tremendously 6 weeks ago.
Now off to search for may att stock ring tones I didn't backup before the flash.

Phaze13 said:
Can't help but say that in my head with the Dude's voice from The Big Lebowski.
Well put! I trolled this board months before I got my Fuze on release day. After I got it, I finally registered at xda. Just now I flashed my phone with a NAFT's new ROM. Countless threads of information to go through for someone with tendencies of ADD its hard to take it all in a fast as I want to. Many saved bookmarked threads. Think this might be my 4th post. I wanted to take the easy/short cut and ask but all the information is there. Just had to search and read & read & read again.
There are many talented, smart & helpful people on the forum. This forum totally kick ass in all reality.
BTW d0ugie, website kicks ass! Helped me out tremendously 6 weeks ago.
Now off to search for may att stock ring tones I didn't backup before the flash.
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Hey thanks for backing me up. Heh, the Dude.
Glad you got good use out of the site! And guess what, you can get even more out of it because I got your default rings (HTC's and MS's) in the first paragraph of section 9, notifications.
Doug

@D0ugie
First off, i didn't think your reply was too negative. You just pointed out that people should search first and ask later, which i agree with. I think in my mind it's the level of grey that exists with the "search first" motto that is debatable. I have spent a LOT of time in some instances searching for a needle in a haystack, sometimes in fear of knowing that if i pose a new thread for a quick answer i might get flamed for it. And there are times when i asked before i probably should have (had one of those the other day) and felt like an idiot for it. And then there are the times where i was looking for something but maybe didn't even know it, and had someone else ask it and be like, wow that is exactly what i wanted to know. And then there are still the times where i asked a Q and wasn't sure if it was a good question and whether or not i'd even get a reply, and had a huge discussion evolve because of it and lots of people glad i did ask.
Obviously, the repeat of the same question over and over can make it harder to find the BEST answers, but sometimes i will search and not find that right thread and then someone points me to it and i am like, that just saved me SO much unnecessary searching, THANK YOU.
The bottom line though is i love this community and, in general, everyone here is amazing and so helpful and giving. I feel lucky to be a part of it and wish i was a better developer and had more to contribute.

Why So Serious?

meth0dGSX said:
Why So Serious?
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@you lol. Perfect time to add that
@OP You could search the Raphael software/Diamond Themes, Applications, and Software/Developement & Hacking which are sections specially made for app posting.
EDITED, sorry if I offended anyone.

Phaze13 said:
Can't help but say that in my head with the Dude's voice from The Big Lebowski.
Well put! I trolled this board months before I got my Fuze on release day. After I got it, I finally registered at xda. Just now I flashed my phone with a NAFT's new ROM. Countless threads of information to go through for someone with tendencies of ADD its hard to take it all in a fast as I want to. Many saved bookmarked threads. Think this might be my 4th post. I wanted to take the easy/short cut and ask but all the information is there. Just had to search and read & read & read again.
There are many talented, smart & helpful people on the forum. This forum totally kick ass in all reality.
BTW d0ugie, website kicks ass! Helped me out tremendously 6 weeks ago.
Now off to search for may att stock ring tones I didn't backup before the flash.
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Funny i was looking for the Dude trying to get a little Time of from XDA and accidentally used the Google XDA search. This was the only result.
http://www.google.com/cse?cx=000825531964825142534%3Acqr2sjirilw&q=the+big+lebowski&sa=Search&cof=FORID%3A0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
I didn't know that until i accidentally searched for it.
Well for those in the Dark here's the Short Version:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqtgfjkB6Pg
Please delete me when the fun's gotten out of it, but at least XDA should get back two search results from now on, on The Big Lebowksi
In two weeks:
http://www.google.com/custom?hl=en&...esult&cd=1&q=Noonski+the+big+lebowski&spell=1
Should give you at least one result on finding out my true identity.
A few posts deleted, that is already more then any of us would have wanted on a Forum meant to harbour information.
Don't Flame a man trying to show you the light of XDA, it attracts to much attention of Moderators even when they are trying not to.

If you go to my 4shared, you can find pretty much any application that will do whatever you want on your WinMo based phone.

[Q] Wanting to Report a bug to the developer of a ROM

I just installed RandomKing's "ThunderHawk III Final" rom:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1343669
I noticed I have a bug with my wireless not working, and wanted to report that, but apparently the forum prevents new users from posting to development threads. Must I really make 10 random posts just so I can do that? (I realize I may be able to PM RandomKing directly, but I figure it'd be good for other users to also be aware of what bugs are out there for these roms ...)
I guess I'm a little annoyed at being prevented from doing something that I considered "good" for the community ...

butsuriboy said:
I just installed RandomKing's "ThunderHawk III Final" rom:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1343669
I noticed I have a bug with my wireless not working, and wanted to report that, but apparently the forum prevents new users from posting to development threads. Must I really make 10 random posts just so I can do that? (I realize I may be able to PM RandomKing directly, but I figure it'd be good for other users to also be aware of what bugs are out there for these roms ...)
I guess I'm a little annoyed at being prevented from doing something that I considered "good" for the community ...
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Did you read threw the thread to see if others had this issue? What did you do to try and fix it? Did you look in the Q&A forums in your device forums?

zelendel said:
Did you read threw the thread to see if others had this issue? What did you do to try and fix it? Did you look in the Q&A forums in your device forums?
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Yeah, I read through the tread, and as far as I can tell, the bug's been persistent through several versions of the rom. It was claimed that it was fixed with his latest version, but I guess not ...
The only fix I had found was to reboot the phone Today, the "app" to make calls (I think it's called "phone?") crashed several times, meaning I can't call people reliably, so I think I'm going to try a different rom. Thanks again for your help though!

same here. I'm having an issue with another rom myself, and just want to post to the developer a major bug that I am having. I read throug the entire forum post for that rom, and no one else mentioned the issue that I'm having.
its pretty bazaar that I when I answer a call waiting call no one can hear me. If I switch back to the original call, the same problem happens no one can hear me. This is only when i get another incoming phone call.
The rom i installed is for Energy Rom sense 3.5

Haha, well, if we keep posting to places like this, I guess we'll soon hit our 10 post limit
FYI for anyone that cares, I just installed CleanGB v1.1.2 (for the Epic 4G):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=22241642
So far it seems pretty good. If I run into any issues, I guess I'll be posting here again xP

As already stated. There are Q&A forums for most devices. Use them.
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10 posts limit

Is there any chance to get pass the 10 posts limit and speak in developers forum? I go here often, but my last problem was three years ago and resolved in two replies. I don't remember that limit was in effect back then
Do I really need to write another 7 not usefull posts to get one simple answer in developer forum?

ntn_labs said:
Is there any chance to get pass the 10 posts limit and speak in developers forum? I go here often, but my last problem was three years ago and resolved in two replies. I don't remember that limit was in effect back then
Do I really need to write another 7 not usefull posts to get one simple answer in developer forum?
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No you need to write 7 useful posts, try helping people in the QandA section etc.
This is how it is, there a very good reasons behind these rules and this thread will likely be closed so just move on and help others.

zacthespack said:
No you need to write 7 useful posts, try helping people in the QandA section etc.
This is how it is, there a very good reasons behind these rules and this thread will likely be closed so just move on and help others.
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Okay, just let me think about this for a while... You are suggesting that a noob that has a problem should first solve some other problems and then he is allowed to solve his own problem?
Hm, since when is XDA only for the selected?

I have to agree with topic-starter.
I read much info before I even registered. I rooted my phone with the various threads, but then you have a problem/bug, and you can't address it in the dev-thread.
If some-one asks why there is a 10post limit, everybody says, help other people in the q&A topic.
As a very beginner in rooting/change rom's, you just can't help other people with much more complicated questions.
I'm on many forums, and usually such rule only results in more un-usefull spamming.
I don't have a huge problem with that. But I had a problem with a ROM, and instead of just asking it in the dev-section, I had to search a couple of hours in many threads to find a solution.

ntn_labs said:
Okay, just let me think about this for a while... You are suggesting that a noob that has a problem should first solve some other problems and then he is allowed to solve his own problem?
Hm, since when is XDA only for the selected?
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I have to agree with topic-starter.
I read much info before I even registered. I rooted my phone with the various threads, but then you have a problem/bug, and you can't address it in the dev-thread.
If some-one asks why there is a 10post limit, everybody says, help other people in the q&A topic.
As a very beginner in rooting/change rom's, you just can't help other people with much more complicated questions.
I'm on many forums, and usually such rule only results in more un-usefull spamming.
I don't have a huge problem with that. But I had a problem with a ROM, and instead of just asking it in the dev-section, I had to search a couple of hours in many threads to find a solution.
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The key there is that you found the answer yourself after searching for a couple of hours. That is how people learn - it's how I learnt how to root, S-Off etc my HTC DS - by reading and trying to understand.
The Dev section is NOT the place for questions. It is NOT the place for questions. It is NOT the place for questions. Get the idea? The Dev section is for Development - genuine bug reporting and discussion by the guys who develop and test the ROMs.
I don't think 10 posts is enough. I personally feel that the Dev section should be by invite only. Once somebody has proved that they are able to abide by the rules of XDA and contribute in a meaningful manner then the Devs can invite them to join if they feel so inclined.

ntn_labs said:
Okay, just let me think about this for a while... You are suggesting that a noob that has a problem should first solve some other problems and then he is allowed to solve his own problem?
Hm, since when is XDA only for the selected?
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Well two things here, no If you have a problem you need solving you post it in the Q&A section in the first place..as this is where questions go Development threads are for development.
And XDA is and always has been about the developers, about developers sharing there work.

Yes, great... So developers have time to test other developers work? I would say that all the wannabe testers have hard time to feedback developers. They use emails. Developers say: use forum, it's great. And the usual answer is: I'm not over the limit yet.
I flash often, I test often. I find bugs often. I read ALOT. And when I find something no one has found yet.... I have to wait until an "experienced noob" (you don't really think number of posts indicate how experienced a guy is...) will write a bug report.
I got tired of waiting today and tried to step ahead but no... I have to make more comments to prove I'm worthy to speak with the DEV's... I'm no flamer and don't take this post like that but...
Posting a question in Q&A and hoping that one guy who might have my solution will answer... Maybe PM him and when he answers I will keep the solution to myself. Nah, too simple... XDA is for developers and developers always rely on people who test their night builds. Don't keep DEV's alone up there in the Ivory tower :angel:
PS: I would never dare to ask a question that was already answered here...

Yeah whats up with that
I have to have ten post before i can post my issue on the rom i downloaded that kinda bricked my phone. baha... i am swolt.. and to top it off i have to wait 5 minutes between post i guess it sucks to be a new user; but i am glad to be a part of the XDA forum team since i have been flashing every week for the past year or so... i joined after i ran into a problem go figure...

ntn_labs said:
Yes, great... So developers have time to test other developers work? I would say that all the wannabe testers have hard time to feedback developers. They use emails. Developers say: use forum, it's great. And the usual answer is: I'm not over the limit yet.
I flash often, I test often. I find bugs often. I read ALOT. And when I find something no one has found yet.... I have to wait until an "experienced noob" (you don't really think number of posts indicate how experienced a guy is...) will write a bug report.
I got tired of waiting today and tried to step ahead but no... I have to make more comments to prove I'm worthy to speak with the DEV's... I'm no flamer and don't take this post like that but...
Posting a question in Q&A and hoping that one guy who might have my solution will answer... Maybe PM him and when he answers I will keep the solution to myself. Nah, too simple... XDA is for developers and developers always rely on people who test their night builds. Don't keep DEV's alone up there in the Ivory tower :angel:
PS: I would never dare to ask a question that was already answered here...
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Da1nonlyakiehl said:
I have to have ten post before i can post my issue on the rom i downloaded that kinda bricked my phone. baha... i am swolt.. and to top it off i have to wait 5 minutes between post i guess it sucks to be a new user; but i am glad to be a part of the XDA forum team since i have been flashing every week for the past year or so... i joined after i ran into a problem go figure...
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Its a case of thats just how it is, many devs have started threads in the general subsections for talking about the ROMs to reduce the issue.
The big reason for the limit is simple, with out it the dev section gets flooded with question threads, and general chit chat or basic questions which have been answered a million times end up in dev threads which should be kept clean for real feedback to been seen by the devs.
I know it sucks but it works, 10 posts is nothing, you will find if you look across the forum there will be plenty of threads you can give input to (For example there are loads of "which do you like more" type threads) which require no technical skill. You will very quickly get past the ten posts and move on

I know it sucks but it works, 10 posts is nothing, you will find if you look across the forum there will be plenty of threads you can give input to (For example there are loads of "which do you like more" type threads) which require no technical skill. You will very quickly get past the ten posts and move on[/QUOTE]
Yeah; I am well on my way. 3 down 7 to go .

I know I know, just a long day at work..
Close it please.

Wrong section, this issue has been discussed to no end, and the rule isn't going anywhere. Thread closed.
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