ok i'm sorry ahead of time for posting this and there is already something posted somewhere else...the search function isn't working for some reason.....
Ok so i live in Spokane, Washington where i have 3G but no 4G yet and i was getting terrible data speeds everywhere i went...i couldn't even get pandora to load a song....so i started looking around on different forums and did a little research myself and this is what i have found....
i started with playing with the build.prop file in android commander and then did some research/trial and error on what the settings should be and what would work better for ME....the settings i found are here...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-Speed_Downlink_Packet_Access....this wiki shows the technology behind hsdpa and the category's and everything that belongs to the tech.....the settings i choose is HSPA+ Release 7 category 20 @ 42.2 mbps....so i changed the text in build.prop to hsdpa=20, then changed the hsxpa=3 and the hsupa=6 and i left the APN stock with the APN=phone.....and these are the results that i got..... please post your results and let me know if this helped anyone out.....
btw...just noticed that the screen shots of the two results the lower speed one is showing hsdpa and the higher speed one is showing umts.....how does that work??? lol
trying to upload image but telling me invalid image type
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Wow ! I've never seen a thread like this before.
Edit the build.prop for better data speeds ???????
What's next? How to set your APN properly?
Mods please close.
If not. I swear I will start a thread in Dev dedicated to:
1. How do I root my phone?
2. Which rom is best?
3. How can I use Sense widgets on CM7?
4. Will someone please port WM7 to Inspire and make it where I can use Sense friend stream on it.
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I get better speeds by holding my phone upside down on one foot while wearing rubber boots.
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I get better speeds by holding my phone upside down on one foot while wearing rubber boots.
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Hey, let's everyone flame the OP on this. Even though he posted "ok i'm sorry ahead of time for posting this and there is already something posted somewhere else...the search function isn't working for some reason"
I can verify that the search feature DOES NOT always work properly. Just yesterday I was looking for a radio file...Used the search feature and it displayed NO RESULTS. But then when searching the EXACT same name (cut and paste, so it wasn't a mistype) through Google, it popped right up.
We are a community. Apparently some of you have forgotten what that means. That means when someone posts something like this and it has already been posted...YOU DO NOT FLAME THEM, you help them. You tell them that this has already been posted, post the link if you have it, and request a mod to move it and/or merge it. In some cases, yes, it can be closed.
BTW. "Flaming" is against the rules!
2.3 Flaming: XDA was founded as a group of people sharing information about certain mobile phones. Sharing does not involve virtual yelling (flaming) it does involve working together to solve problems in an environment of mutual respect and understanding. Losing your temper and flaming another member, or group of members, is not acceptable behavior.
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Hey, let's everyone flame the OP on this. Even though he posted "ok i'm sorry ahead of time for posting this and there is already something posted somewhere else...the search function isn't working for some reason"
I can verify that the search feature DOES NOT always work properly. Just yesterday I was looking for a radio file...Used the search feature and it displayed NO RESULTS. But then when searching the EXACT same name (cut and paste, so it wasn't a mistype) through Google, it popped right up.
We are a community. Apparently some of you have forgotten what that means. That means when someone posts something like this and it has already been posted...YOU DO NOT FLAME THEM, you help them. You tell them that this has already been posted, post the link if you have it, and request a mod to move it and/or merge it. In some cases, yes, it can be closed.
BTW. "Flaming" is against the rules!
2.3 Flaming: XDA was founded as a group of people sharing information about certain mobile phones. Sharing does not involve virtual yelling (flaming) it does involve working together to solve problems in an environment of mutual respect and understanding. Losing your temper and flaming another member, or group of members, is not acceptable behavior.
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Wow! There it is.
Isreal's thread "how to build.prop yada data speeds etc et al"
Not to mention that regarding radios nearly every single dev suggests radio version.
You make a good point however.
Time and effort also go a long way toward not cluttering up a forum.
Can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs. And such cliche'
Support a 2k+ post thread respite with repetition and bootloops based on random "look what I found - flash this" threads - as a lot of these devs do. Then go read your 2.3 subsection etc and see how warm and fuzzy it makes you.
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No one is intending to flame but this is getting pretty exhausting and not to mention counterproductive. Significant progress was made in this thread just a few days ago:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1042553
We shouldn't have to re-invent the wheel now. No offense to the OP but you don't have to search far, it was on the second page in development.
tribalartgod said:
Hey, let's everyone flame the OP on this. Even though he posted "ok i'm sorry ahead of time for posting this and there is already something posted somewhere else...the search function isn't working for some reason"
I can verify that the search feature DOES NOT always work properly. Just yesterday I was looking for a radio file...Used the search feature and it displayed NO RESULTS. But then when searching the EXACT same name (cut and paste, so it wasn't a mistype) through Google, it popped right up.
We are a community. Apparently some of you have forgotten what that means. That means when someone posts something like this and it has already been posted...YOU DO NOT FLAME THEM, you help them. You tell them that this has already been posted, post the link if you have it, and request a mod to move it and/or merge it. In some cases, yes, it can be closed.
BTW. "Flaming" is against the rules!
2.3 Flaming: XDA was founded as a group of people sharing information about certain mobile phones. Sharing does not involve virtual yelling (flaming) it does involve working together to solve problems in an environment of mutual respect and understanding. Losing your temper and flaming another member, or group of members, is not acceptable behavior.
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If nothing else the guy posted this in the wrong forum, it belongs in general. Just for not reading the 1st post at the top of the page should be enough for a little razzing. Don't you think?
As big as XDA is people need to learn to post in the right sub forums, if not they need a little slap on the hand. The mod's need to stiffen up a bit and start handing out temp bans.
Case in point v9.0.1.6
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1051205
[Q] HTC Inspire Will not turn on. and battery is charged.
Caveat emptor
XDA and the like are primarily based in:
Step 1: Void your warranty
wow dude the site WOULD NOT LET ME SEARCH THROUGH THE FORUMS.....idk why i posted this to get a quick answer.....was just curious.....or have you never gotten that error that says the server is busy for like four to five hours straight....get off your high horse im not no noob......no one made you the boss, if u have a problem read another thread no one told you to open this one.......
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If nothing else the guy posted this in the wrong forum, it belongs in general. Just for not reading the 1st post at the top of the page should be enough for a little razzing. Don't you think?
As big as XDA is people need to learn to post in the right sub forums, if not they need a little slap on the hand. The mod's need to stiffen up a bit and start handing out temp bans.
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and when have i posted a thread in the wrong place and it happened to be already posted before???? and because i did it once i should get banned???? wow just wow....can't wait tell you screw up......cause your just so perfect...i would close this thread or delete it but not entirely sure if or how i can do that.....cause this was a waste of time.....thought i would help someone out with this info.....thats why i posted it
tribalartgod said:
Hey, let's everyone flame the OP on this. Even though he posted "ok i'm sorry ahead of time for posting this and there is already something posted somewhere else...the search function isn't working for some reason"
I can verify that the search feature DOES NOT always work properly. Just yesterday I was looking for a radio file...Used the search feature and it displayed NO RESULTS. But then when searching the EXACT same name (cut and paste, so it wasn't a mistype) through Google, it popped right up.
We are a community. Apparently some of you have forgotten what that means. That means when someone posts something like this and it has already been posted...YOU DO NOT FLAME THEM, you help them. You tell them that this has already been posted, post the link if you have it, and request a mod to move it and/or merge it. In some cases, yes, it can be closed.
BTW. "Flaming" is against the rules!
2.3 Flaming: XDA was founded as a group of people sharing information about certain mobile phones. Sharing does not involve virtual yelling (flaming) it does involve working together to solve problems in an environment of mutual respect and understanding. Losing your temper and flaming another member, or group of members, is not acceptable behavior.
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thank you for not being a ass, and understanding you have been thanked because of it.....
Now that you've had a chance to fire back this thread may be of use to you .
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1042553
Most people don't realize the danger in messing with the build prop, APN settings give the best results when done correctly.
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wow dude the site WOULD NOT LET ME SEARCH THROUGH THE FORUMS.....idk why i posted this to get a quick answer.....was just curious.....or have you never gotten that error that says the server is busy for like four to five hours straight....get off your high horse im not no noob......no one made you the boss, if u have a problem read another thread no one told you to open this one.......
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Sorry -- maybe you missed it near the bottom of Development Forum:
OR THIS THREAD
THIS ONE TOO
Not to mention that nearly all ROM threads are riddled with days upon days of data speed dialogue.
Not on my high horse.
Simply dealing with reality on reality's terms.
Yes, the OP posted in the wrong section. It should have been in "general."
Yes, the search results DID show up for me as well, showing a similar post has already been made. (Several actually)
If the OP should be reprimanded for posting in the wrong section, or "not properly using the search feature", etc... then those that flame should be too. Now THAT, makes me feel "warm and fuzzy." ;-)
n00b or not... 2k+ post thread or not... Doesn't change the fact that rules are rules. when it comes down to it, the OP's post should have been added to the other thread, and the OP notified of this change via PM.
Anyways, I'm not trying to start anything with anyone here...Just trying to say that people shouldn't be so quick to fly off the handle.
tribalartgod said:
Yes, the OP posted in the wrong section. It should have been in "general."
Yes, the search results DID show up for me as well, showing a similar post has already been made. (Several actually)
If the OP should be reprimanded for posting in the wrong section, or "not properly using the search feature", etc... then those that flame should be too. Now THAT, makes me feel "warm and fuzzy." ;-)
n00b or not... 2k+ post thread or not... Doesn't change the fact that rules are rules. when it comes down to it, the OP's post should have been added to the other thread, and the OP notified of this change via PM.
Anyways, I'm not trying to start anything with anyone here...Just trying to say that people shouldn't be so quick to fly off the handle.
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And your posture is not that of any authority nor judgmental at all?
"We mock that which we don't understand" Austin Millbarge
This has spiraled into pointless oblivion.
everyone START HERE
symonc said:
And your posture is not that of any authority nor judgmental at all?
"We mock that which we don't understand" Austin Millbarge
This has spiraled into pointless oblivion.
everyone START HERE
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You're right. In trying to express my point, I too, went over the edge. For that, I apologize.
Mr. Clown posted this at the beginning:
Mr. Clown said:
Thinking of posting a new thread???
Use the search button on the top bar between "New Posts" and "Quick Links"
If any mod, including myself, continue to find new threads about topics that have threads already existing.
The thread will be locked with no notice and/or up to a temp BAN!!.
Mods, including myself, are not here to keep the forum organized after the fact, we need your help to keep it organized, clean and grouped.
To the dedicated members that care to keep this forum, subforums included, clean and organized and grouped.
Please start reporting threads to the mods to take action. Using this button.
Thank You and happy easy searching.
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I think that by stating it and not following through makes it too easy for those to continue not following the rules. If you say you're going to temp ban then temp ban. I'm not saying a week but 24hrs for 1st offense and escalate up from there. It will give the offenders time to read.
Also as I've stated before, I think access to starting threads in the Dev sub forums should be restricted to the Dev's. It would save the mods time & energy.
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I am having a problem with the screen timing out, and going black. This seems to happen regardless of whatever I am doing on the phone (texting, browing internet, etc) The touch recognition does not keep the display on, and the phone will go black right in the middle of my typing. the only way to keep the display on is press the menu button. Any advice? Its a clean install, just installed yesterday
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I am having a problem with the screen timing out, and going black. This seems to happen regardless of whatever I am doing on the phone (texting, browing internet, etc) The touch recognition does not keep the display on, and the phone will go black right in the middle of my typing. the only way to keep the display on is press the menu button. Any advice? Its a clean install, just installed yesterday
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Then go ask in his thread and stop cluttering up the forum with stupid bloody questions!
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I am having a problem with the screen timing out, and going black. This seems to happen regardless of whatever I am doing on the phone (texting, browing internet, etc) The touch recognition does not keep the display on, and the phone will go black right in the middle of my typing. the only way to keep the display on is press the menu button. Any advice? Its a clean install, just installed yesterday
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@Chris....Have you rebooted your phone since you flashed the 4.2.11.1 upgrade? This happens to me every time I flash a ROM update for Cyanogen, but it is resolved after the first reboot. I would give that a shot.
@Shadow....Yet again a great example of why people are ditching XDA and moving on to other forums for their dev needs. Funny how number of posts somehow adds you to this elitist group of complainers.
@XDA....Can we please change the membership ratings? My proposal is:
Junior Member -1-50 posts
Member - 51-100 posts
Senior Member/Verified *****/I rule the world so you better know that prior to posting anything - 101+ posts
Feel free to pick one out of the 3 for the last category.....but I am reallying hoping for the second choice...cause it pretty much describes how most of your "Senior Members" act.
....And before I get flamed/suspended.....remember I said "most", not all.
oh damn, i thought i was in that forum... my bad. but thanks bwinger for answering me. yes, that seems to have worked.
You should try wiping and use the base rom and try cyan's rom again.
In settings change timeout to 2min or something higher.
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@Shadow....Yet again a great example of why people are ditching XDA and moving on to other forums for their dev needs. Funny how number of posts somehow adds you to this elitist group of complainers.
@XDA....Can we please change the membership ratings? My proposal is:
Junior Member -1-50 posts
Member - 51-100 posts
Senior Member/Verified *****/I rule the world so you better know that prior to posting anything - 101+ posts
Feel free to pick one out of the 3 for the last category.....but I am reallying hoping for the second choice...cause it pretty much describes how most of your "Senior Members" act.
....And before I get flamed/suspended.....remember I said "most", not all.
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I have a better idea ppl under 500 posts should not be able to make thread at all.
And bwiner just stfu we r right and u r wrong this belongs to Q&A or CY's thread matter of fact cuz ppl r too lazy to read and reaserch half of time their questions dont even get answeared cuz ppl get fed up with crap like i must have reported 6 posts today that should've been in Q&A or other thread.
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@Chris....Have you rebooted your phone since you flashed the 4.2.11.1 upgrade? This happens to me every time I flash a ROM update for Cyanogen, but it is resolved after the first reboot. I would give that a shot.
@Shadow....Yet again a great example of why people are ditching XDA and moving on to other forums for their dev needs. Funny how number of posts somehow adds you to this elitist group of complainers.
@XDA....Can we please change the membership ratings? My proposal is:
Junior Member -1-50 posts
Member - 51-100 posts
Senior Member/Verified *****/I rule the world so you better know that prior to posting anything - 101+ posts
Feel free to pick one out of the 3 for the last category.....but I am reallying hoping for the second choice...cause it pretty much describes how most of your "Senior Members" act.
....And before I get flamed/suspended.....remember I said "most", not all.
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Honestly, I don't think shadowch31 was out of line whatsoever. It's not being elitist to chastise others for not following simple rules. The OP is a selfish ass, who seems to be under the impression that this forum is dedicated to him and his problems alone. Like I always say, if everyone who had an issue with a ROM posted a new thread, this forum would be absolutely un-navigable. The CyanogenMod has nearly 10,000 posts. Assuming only half of those are issue-related, that would be 5,000 more threads scattered about this forum.
Maybe people aren't ditching XDA because others are putting them in their place. Maybe people are ditching XDA because of all the morons flooding the site with garbage. This is a development forum, not a personalized troubleshooting team for each user.
To the OP, stick to AndroidCommunity or a similar site. If you keep up this crap, you're not going to be welcome here for very long.
ironically most of the garbage on here is from ppl who flame lower ranking members. who gave you the authority to disrespect or even abate other members? Bottomline we ought to have more respect in here for all members. we all started as juniors...but besides that you are a loser if you waste your time arguing with people you don't even know anyway.
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@Shadow....Yet again a great example of why people are ditching XDA and moving on to other forums for their dev needs. Funny how number of posts somehow adds you to this elitist group of complainers.
@XDA....Can we please change the membership ratings? My proposal is:
Junior Member -1-50 posts
Member - 51-100 posts
Senior Member/Verified *****/I rule the world so you better know that prior to posting anything - 101+ posts
Feel free to pick one out of the 3 for the last category.....but I am reallying hoping for the second choice...cause it pretty much describes how most of your "Senior Members" act.
....And before I get flamed/suspended.....remember I said "most", not all.
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Oohhh a feisty one I see, makes it more enjoyable extinguishing your little flame there.
If this had not been his very first post (proving yet again why people should be forced to read the rules and learn what a search button is and it's function) and had it been posted in the correct thead which is ALWAYS on the front page here I would have answered happily. Also might help if this wasn't about the fifth post alone today that has been reported for being in the wrong place I MAY have been nicer.
Now as it happens the OP has held his hands up and said he posted in the wrong place and apologized which is fair enough and hopefully it will be removed and put into the right place where it is going to get the proper attention.
Now we come to you and your oh so inflated ego and possible super hero complex 'coming to the rescue of the weak and feeble' oh please! What's up didn't daddy pay you enough attention growing up? See we can all be a-holes now can't we, just some of us do it with flair
Now you can change my Senior Membership to 'You Been ***** Slapped'
Have a great life, not really I mean it!
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ironically most of the garbage on here is from ppl who flame lower ranking members. who gave you the authority to disrespect or even abate other members? Bottomline we ought to have more respect in here for all members. we all started as juniors...but besides that you are a loser if you waste your time arguing with people you don't even know anyway.
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Your perfectly right.
Now go off and find my first and every post afterwards and IF you find one out of place then I'll never speak again.
What can I say, I learnt to read the rules first. Not my fault!
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Oohhh a feisty one I see, makes it more enjoyable extinguishing your little flame there.
If this had not been his very first post (proving yet again why people should be forced to read the rules and learn what a search button is and it's function) and had it been posted in the correct thead which is ALWAYS on the front page here I would have answered happily. Also might help if this wasn't about the fifth post alone today that has been reported for being in the wrong place I MAY have been nicer.
Now as it happens the OP has held his hands up and said he posted in the wrong place and apologized which is fair enough and hopefully it will be removed and put into the right place where it is going to get the proper attention.
Now we come to you and your oh so inflated ego and possible super hero complex 'coming to the rescue of the weak and feeble' oh please! What's up didn't daddy pay you enough attention growing up? See we can all be a-holes now can't we, just some of us do it with flair
Now you can change my Senior Membership to 'You Been ***** Slapped'
Have a great life, not really I mean it!
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I never argued whether or not this was posted in the incorrect section....it obviously was. That being said....look at how you responded to someone who simply posted in the incorrect section. Wouldnt it have been easier to just say it was in the wrong section and move it?
And whats with the daddy jokes (I think it was supposed to be a joke)?? How old are you? You are really showing your lack of maturity with your responses. And if you didnt notice.....the only peeps that support you in flaming my post are....thats right....you guessed it...Senior Members. Lets try to keep things in perspective here. I have no ego. Someone posted with a problem....and I gave him/her a possible solution. I get paid to do this sir.....so my ego gets its fill of praise at work....I do not need some forum for that....unlike some.
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I never argued whether or not this was posted in the incorrect section....it obviously was. That being said....look at how you responded to someone who simply posted in the incorrect section. Wouldnt it have been easier to just say it was in the wrong section and move it?
And whats with the daddy jokes (I think it was supposed to be a joke)?? How old are you? You are really showing your lack of maturity with your responses. And if you didnt notice.....the only peeps that support you in flaming my post are....thats right....you guessed it...Senior Members. Lets try to keep things in perspective here. I have no ego. Someone posted with a problem....and I gave him/her a possible solution. I get paid to do this sir.....so my ego gets its fill of praise at work....I do not need some forum for that....unlike some.
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Lmfao
So you get paid for this? What coming into a forum as a defender to the weak? Man I want your job
Oh no its cool man...
We make threads with personal questions....
We now allow threads with fake ROM's that are jokes....
We will kill your cat(s)
Yes... You are in the DEV thread, clicked the right link!
damn, so much flaming. this thread should have been closed a long time ago. no one is going anywhere. Mod/Admin, Please close this thread
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Lmfao
So you get paid for this? What coming into a forum as a defender to the weak? Man I want your job
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Yet again.....another childish response. Instead of explaining to you what I get paid for......I will show you.....its better that way.
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We now allow threads with fake ROM's that are jokes....
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i think you will find that that hoax was put to an end and the guy given a warning
....facts....straight....helps.....
[email protected]! Flashing
C'mon. I don't even have 50 posts here and I'll already tell you all that this isn't a board for making almost 100% of the thread a flame war. In fact, there's no board for that. Hopefully OP can get his/her answer and we'll all be good.
Even my post is irrelevant. Yay for contribution. :|
I love these threads, they are just funny to see internet fighting. At least the wrecking crew made people laugh and did it with style where even the op had a good time and joined in.................. I miss the good old days
1wayjonny said:
Oh no its cool man...
We make threads with personal questions....
We now allow threads with fake ROM's that are jokes....
We will kill your cat(s)
Yes... You are in the DEV thread, clicked the right link!
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We killed plenty of cats in the Q&A forums a few months back and had plenty of personal ?s and maybe even a couple fake roms
You might have stepped into a time loop to bout last sept's dream Q&A
This is a new phone with new users coming in here every day. I've seen he same one or two people here not answer a single question, they just say wrong forum or hey let me google that for you.
Way to foster a growing community.
I think everyone that replies should encourage people to search for themselves and put things in the proper forums.
I know it falls on deaf ears as most people want to be spoon fed - it is just to much work to read 30 pages of a thread to understand how something works - they just want the short answer. Then they complain when they miss a step and break something.
I agree. It seems like they just started recently. Ive had my phone since launch and it hasnt been like this. It does get annoying to see dumb questions but most on here its our first android phone ( backflip and aria didnt really cut it).
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I have just decided if you are a thread Nazi I will block you. I have 2 on my ignore list right now.
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I have just decided if you are a thread Nazi I will block you. I have 2 on my ignore list right now.
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If you don't know how to block people, let me know and and I'll google it for you ; )
J/k, don't block me.
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ashoooo said:
If you don't know how to block people, let me know and and I'll google it for you ; )
J/k, don't block me.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I897 using XDA App
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LOL 10chars
gunnyman said:
This is a new phone with new users coming in here every day. I've seen he same one or two people here not answer a single question, they just say wrong forum or hey let me google that for you.
Way to foster a growing community.
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I do notice the large amount of people that seem to ask questions that have already been covered or start cloned threads that do not need repeated. You could view it as overly eager people who want to jump into the community before getting to know it or as people to lazy to do a search and/or read some existing threads.
Either way, I always felt ignoring the post seems to be a better option than making a negative comment. I think you are correct in saying this does not "foster a growing community."
Do keep in mind that it is sometimes hard to search for the correct answer or how to word a question when you are new to a subject. Back in my first few weeks of XDA on my old tilt, I felt a bit bombarded by new terminology and confusing tutorials. More experienced members should be able to determine if an OP is partialy ignorant or just plain lazy. I say when in doubt, ignore it.
Good post, Shovelhead. I agree with your comments.
I think another factor is that just now many people are just being introduced to smart phones. And that in turn probably is causing many new forum users to come on board. I mean new to forums, period. So they may not know the methods, and protocols expected.
It's interesting that I see in many forums that some people will expend more effort griping or castigating someone than it would take to just answer the question, or ignore the post/thread if it is one that doesn't interest them.
I actually am not familiar with the ignore option. I presumed that would just ignore if they sent you PM messages.
Can someone Google that for me?
ewingr said:
Good post, Shovelhead. I agree with your comments.
I actually am not familiar with the ignore option. I presumed that would just ignore if they sent you PM messages.
Can someone Google that for me?
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In efforts to prevent confusion, I was referring to a personal ability to ignore. I have not used any ignore features through the forum. I am currently ignorant to these features.
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In efforts to prevent confusion, I was referring to a personal ability to ignore. I have not used any ignore features through the forum. I am currently ignorant to these features.
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I put them on ignore so I don't say something banworthy to them. It's the best form of self moderation for me.
I understand your point, but having the developement section tampered with unnecessary threads hampers its readability. And to many it is fundamental to keep up with multiple threads in there.
I'm not the kind of person that goes around bashing new users, but I did notice an increase in such threads lately, and although "thread nazis" can be just as annoying, don't forget there's no personal gain for them in it: they're just trying to keep the forum as clean and readable as possible.
I mean, there is a reason to have a Q&A section: using it would actually make it resourceful for newcomers while keeping developement clean.
I actually would say there haven't been many "thread nazis" in the Captivate forums. I read development for the most part and there are MANY questions (hell half of them start with [Q] that have NOTHING to do with development, people just want a question answered for them) that just belong in Q&A.
Most of the people (most, not all) tell people that they are in the wrong section but usually still provide the answer in hopes of letting the thread die. asking how a command works in adb does not count as captivate-specific android development.
it's important to remind people that the development section should be left for DEVELOPING android on the phone or TESTING new developments on the phone (or thinktanks and the occasional request for apps that would have to be dev'd to get functional)
Has anybody tried to use the search since the redesign? All my searches come up with a hundred pages of nothing remotely related to what I searched for, and that's using all combinations of the advanced search. At least for me it's useless now.
This stuff here makes mad:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=752670
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In my begginings in this forum I'm ashamed to admit that I acted like one too. But now what I do is when I see an out of place thread I reply very succinctly almost bordering on a terse response and then I suggest the Q&A section.
I then proceed to answer as many questions as I can for 5 min in an effort to make the Q&A section the best it can be and not clutter the rest of the sections.
boborone said:
Has anybody tried to use the search since the redesign? All my searches come up with a hundred pages of nothing remotely related to what I searched for, and that's using all combinations of the advanced search. At least for me it's useless now.
This stuff here makes mad:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=752670
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I find the search function works very well.
As for not liking references to google - I don't see the problem - OK, maybe you were looking for more specific information, but like all things, likes of forums is suggestive. So why not use google, search for Android forums, then pick the ones you like.
So many questions are answered by using google but no one tries that, so unless someone says "I have tried google, and only find X - but I want Y" then a response that says "try Google" is not out of line.
My $0.02 has always been this ...
We were all noobs once. When I was a noob I had enough sense to spend time and effort rooting around XDA to learn about my new (at the time) device before I started to ask questions.
Whether it's here, or on any other message board in cyberspace, that is the standard level of expectation that the senior members of the forum have. Experienced members want to help people and often spend a lot of time adding their experience to the forum, but they also want the new members to try to help themselves first. When they see someone ask a question that's answered in a 'sticky' at the top of the page or one or two posts below on the first page, it can be amazingly frustrating, and as others have said, it unnecessarily clutters up the forum.
So yes, sometimes people are harsh. Personally, if it at least looks like someone has tried to find and answer but can't figure something out, I'm always happy to help. Those who make their very first XDA post a question that has been asked and answered many times will get a 'search is a beautiful thing' response from me with a link to the post where the answer is. It's a subtle jab, yes, but at the same time the poster gets an answer. It's not meant to be a 'Thread Nazi'.
Hopefully that nudges them down the path of looking first and not expecting to be spoon fed everything, and to the realization that the forum doesn't exist simply to be a place to pop in and ask a question and go. Every time I pick up a new device and move to a new forum I see a ton of this ... one hit wonders that you never see again.
I I don't have a problem with that at all.
But what value does "hey you should have posted that somewhere else dumbass" provide. especially in "Dev"
I mean General is the catch all
Q&A is kind of basic
Themes and Apps are self explanatory.
I see dev section as the "hey I wanna break stuff" department. If the answer to a question could break stuff I say it's a dev question.
I agree with most remarks on here. I know i have been too harsh with post on here. But mainly after i read the same post in different threads. I agree that there are alot of newer members now that are lost in the threads lol. So im glad this thread was made and cast new light for me. Guess i need to be nice and more helpfull.
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I agree with most remarks on here. I know i have been too harsh with post on here. But mainly after i read the same post in different threads. I agree that there are alot of newer members now that are lost in the threads lol. So im glad this thread was made and cast new light for me. Guess i need to be nice and more helpfull.
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Well well Smoke seems like once again we are on the same device lol. Ill be working in this forum more closely cleaning things up and trying to help point new users in the right direction.
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Well well Smoke seems like once again we are on the same device lol. Ill be working in this forum more closely cleaning things up and trying to help point new users in the right direction.
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Yes this rocks!!! I guess my talks with a few people worked Glad to see ya here
Yayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
Ok, it's pretty sad that the SGS4G forum has the issues that is does. I have another phone and have been in it's XDA forum as well, to see that people in there aren't as lazy and stupid as some are in this forum. They actually READ the OP, search for answers to their questions before posting them and when they cannot find the answers, then they post to the forum in the appropriate spots with logcat (if available) included! Amazing isn't it... This is why we have lost DEVs. STUPIDITY!
Did you know (and I speak form experience) that if you do not read and follow an OP on how to flash a ROM you could end up with:
1) A bricked phone (super hard bricked too... meaning, NON RECOVERABLE!)
2) A trashed sim card (yeah, I know it isn't that abd, but it is still a pain in the ass to call and deal with customer support to order a new one and then go to the store to pick it up or skip the call and go down to your service provider and pay up to 35 bucks for a new one... that can get pricey after just a few "I do what I want" flash mistakes.
3) A bad flash resulting in an unstable unusable ROM. And then when you decide to flash it correctly, you have lost that time...forever... Oh, and let's not forget the time and space you wasted on here asking the same question 300 other dummies already asked.
There are so many BAD possibilities that could result in not following directions. Didn't your momma teach you to follow directions? There was a reason for it! Plus, didn't your daddy teach you to help yourself first, and then when you had exhausted all options, ask for help?
Granted, I have made these same mistakes before. But I have learned. But there just seems to be SOOOOOOO many of you that just don't get it! To the point that I have actually seen some one ask the a question by quoting the post that contained the answer! That is purely STUPID!
Is this a flame? You damn right it is! But I am not only here to vent my frustrations out on you, but to help you.
Read the rules aka The Ten Commandments, they are simple and easy to follow (I will make a pictorial upon request):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1310270
If you are Noob, which means you have never, or only done it once or twice, flashed a ROM, theme, etc, here is a great link for you to ask many of your questions:
Universal Question Solver
Now before you post in the DEV section assuming you have trolled and spam other forums, use this link to guide you:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=979109
Read the ENTIRE OP for christs sake!
After all that is done, like maybe 10-20 minutes of your time then post a thread IN THE APPROPRIATE SECTION, or reply to a thread with your questions or issues WITH A LOGCAT! Oh, and it doesn't have to be the entire logcat, just the part that pertains to your issue. If you do not know how to read your logcat, you can always post it for free, after registering, here:
pastebin.com
Please guys, FOR THE LOVE OF OUR PHONES, lets try to lay nicely and by the rules...
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Ok, it's pretty sad that the SGS4G forum has the issues that is does. I have another phone and have been in it's XDA forum as well, to see that people in there aren't as lazy and stupid as some are in this forum. They actually READ the OP, search for answers to their questions before posting them and when they cannot find the answers, then they post to the forum in the appropriate spots with logcat (if available) included! Amazing isn't it... This is why we have lost DEVs. STUPIDITY!
Did you know (and I speak form experience) that if you do not read and follow an OP on how to flash a ROM you could end up with:
1) A bricked phone (super hard bricked too... meaning, NON RECOVERABLE!)
2) A trashed sim card (yeah, I know it isn't that abd, but it is still a pain in the ass to call and deal with customer support to order a new one and then go to the store to pick it up or skip the call and go down to your service provider and pay up to 35 bucks for a new one... that can get pricey after just a few "I do what I want" flash mistakes.
3) A bad flash resulting in an unstable unusable ROM. And then when you decide to flash it correctly, you have lost that time...forever... Oh, and let's not forget the time and space you wasted on here asking the same question 300 other dummies already asked.
There are so many BAD possibilities that could result in not following directions. Didn't your momma teach you to follow directions? There was a reason for it! Plus, didn't your daddy teach you to help yourself first, and then when you had exhausted all options, ask for help?
Granted, I have made these same mistakes before. But I have learned. But there just seems to be SOOOOOOO many of you that just don't get it! To the point that I have actually seen some one ask the a question by quoting the post that contained the answer! That is purely STUPID!
Is this a flame? You damn right it is! But I am not only here to vent my frustrations out on you, but to help you.
Read the rules aka The Ten Commandments, they are simple and easy to follow (I will make a pictorial upon request):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1310270
If you are Noob, which means you have never, or only done it once or twice, flashed a ROM, theme, etc, here is a great link for you to ask many of your questions:
Universal Question Solver
Now before you post in the DEV section assuming you have trolled and spam other forums, use this link to guide you:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=979109
Read the ENTIRE OP for christs sake!
After all that is done, like maybe 10-20 minutes of your time then post a thread IN THE APPROPRIATE SECTION, or reply to a thread with your questions or issues WITH A LOGCAT! Oh, and it doesn't have to be the entire logcat, just the part that pertains to your issue. If you do not know how to read your logcat, you can always post it for free, after registering, here:
pastebin.com
Please guys, FOR THE LOVE OF OUR PHONES, lets try to lay nicely and by the rules...
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Nice
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=20030358
This has been my homework lately. I think it would help the community to read the same thing. Although it may not really matter. As the warden in Cool Hand Luke so eloquently said, "Some men you just can't reach." I'm also going to try and learn how to read the darn things so I can try to help out even further. But since I'm not terribly familiar with Linux commands it may take a little while.
Thread bump. And sorry dude but the world needs more bass
http://notreble.com
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Jules is it necessary to quote long post? Really?
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thomas
I here you. It's been done before. People just don't get it. Vent away though.
Jules
What lumin said. A simple nice would have sufficed.
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Thread bump. And sorry dude but the world needs more bass
http://notreble.com
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Thank you Bassmanjames... For being the prime example of the f**king jackasses that I am talking about. What the hell does a site about bass guitars adn crap have to do with anything I said. I am glad I put this up... We shall call this training for dumbies like you!
And to give you and the rest of your clan a little insight... I use to be totally against the flame... But now I see why it happens... Go troll on crackberry or something...
Jules
I trully believe you have good intentions and you want to become this phone dev, but you write too much, quote too much and generally flud all the threads.
I don't think it helps you on the long run. If you want to be a dev - read, search, then read and search and if you really have to, post a private message, otherwise you seem like a noob calling yourself a dev in progress.
Read the 'how to decompile an apk' in the modding forum and all the 'how to make a custom ROM' general forum threads, download root explorer for the trial and error and notepad++ for the updater script and make a productive contribution to the community.
Good luck.
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Just want to throw out there that as bad as this forum may seem, its a hella lot better than some.
I got so sick of the g2x forums I flamed someone (which I make a point to avoid doing) and came back to this phone! (course the main reason is cause this is just a superior device in every way)
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SMH. This is what gives XDA a bad name.
+1 Thomas
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well you sure do have a point - 10x for that.
Hopefully people will read and internalize it.
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Thank you Bassmanjames... For being the prime example of the f**king jackasses that I am talking about. What the hell does a site about bass guitars adn crap have to do with anything I said. I am glad I put this up... We shall call this training for dumbies like you!
And to give you and the rest of your clan a little insight... I use to be totally against the flame... But now I see why it happens... Go troll on crackberry or something...
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LOL glad i could help. Your welcome everyone needs to vent once in a while. I have already participated in many general threads about this topic and in accordance with the rules why did you start another? It is sad that the general populous can't search or feels so entitled they don't think they should have to; but, such is life sir, as you can see.
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The forum is a great tool...
but posting in the wrong forum can ruin it :-(
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Lol nice there thomas. Also, I agree about quoting long posts. I use to cut them just to let the people know what I'm answering or just mention @username and write. Also, no need for signatures or wether you are sending the post from xda premium or free or whatever phone.
In my opinion, this forum sucks because of little moderation by those who can. Threads and posts need to be deleted every now and then. I have made a ticket with xda regarding this but they told me to use the report button... bah. We all have to admit than sometimes threads get to the 1000's post and its difficult to keep track of every post so one has to ask same question because of the useless crap posted and I understand doesn't have an option.
Anyway, if I got to be a noob or a disturbing person... sorry, not my intention as I use to read more than post. If I flamed you... well you probably deserved it and I'm not sorry. I hope this forum gets some massive clean up one day and to see everything organized.
At the end of the day a forum is used to post... and people will post what they want even if its crap like what I just wrote in this post. Lol
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At the end of the day a forum is used to post... and people will post what they want even if its crap like what I just wrote in this post. Lol
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+1000 man!
Take note how I cut down the quote peeps. I left just the meat and potatoes... In the army, we have what is called the K.I.S.S. method...
Keep
It
Simple
Stupid
I still think that this forum needs more Operatives or Moderator watching out for the forum...
too bad there is only one
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Also, no need for signatures or wether you are sending the post from xda premium or free or whatever phone.
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It just keeps piling on, pretty soon someone will say there's no need for posting actual posts.
BTW, if you're going to suggest there's no need for signatures, please remove yours
Yes, I'm being sarcastic, but I think some of this is getting out of hand, one extreme to another. From little policing, by those that should, to over policing by those who re self-appointed, Vigilante's as it were.
There are moderators, there are tools to be used for reporting specific threads or posts in case they are overlooked.
Use those tools enough and the PTB's will start paying more attention to this forum maybe, and keeping it a bit more cleaned up.
Our mod seems to have a lot of other forums to police as well... so maybe we can end up with one who has more time to keep an eye on this place.
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It just keeps piling on, pretty soon someone will say there's no need for posting actual posts.
BTW, if you're going to suggest there's no need for signatures, please remove yours
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I mean the signature from the phone "Sent from T959 using Xda..." you know... not the one here. My bad.
Anyway I stated that people can and will post whatever they want, either be a good post or one ready to get flame. I was just saying my opinion. No offense intended.
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I mean the signature from the phone "Sent from T959 using Xda..." you know... not the one here. My bad.
Anyway I stated that people can and will post whatever they want, either be a good post or one ready to get flame. I was just saying my opinion. No offense intended.
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None taken, it's extremely hard to offend me anyway.
The XDA app and Tapatalk both add that little signature line by default. It's a single line and takes up less space than most other signatures (my own included, although I did drop my graphic at least)
And yea, people will be people, no matter what the rest of us say or do we're going to continue to see peeps that don't bother to search, they just want someone to spoonfeed them.
They are the same people who, after reading app and/or rom descriptions install/flash and then complain it's not what they expected, and they want this/that/or the other added to it, or removed from it, and they want it now.
Mostly this is because the whole world revolves around them, and these devs are here solely to provide them with everything, for free, without complaint, in a timely manner (timely being instantly!)
No matter how many posts are made referencing the proper way to do things, these same people will ignore them, because they know that the rules don't apply to them, those rules are for the 'other people', the ones the world doesn't revolve around.
So I use my own rules in regards to those wonderful folks. I flag/report the trolls, point out threads that need removed, help those that seem truly lost, yet not demanding, point others to the door.
The mods do respond, usually pretty quickly, to reported threads and posts. They just seem to stealth in and handle it.
I made use of it last night for a thread, when I got up this morning, the thread was gone.
It seems that too many devs are leaving us due to repeated noobs question and generally flooded threads.
I thought to myself why not use an SGS 4G facebook page as a gate for all QA & General simple questions and leave development issues and logs for the xda forum? This way people will have the community they want and devs will get the order and work environment they want.
Please let me know what you think before it will become another one of those threads and be closed by moderator.
Thanks.
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In theory it sounds great. However people will not post there for reason they dont post in proper sections here.
The real issue is this, the community is divided. I left the Optimus V because Virgins coverage sucks for me. I really wish I could have kept the phone and plan and the main reason is the community. At AC I swear the people there help everybody. Even if it is a question already asked. Somebody will pipe up and offer a link.
Im guilty as charged in attacking a n00b for being stupid. However witht eh cost of the Optimus V and the extremely cheap plan many people was buying the phone to tether and have cheap internet. And Most of those people were clueless as to what the hell they were doing. In most cases a friend told them about the phone and plan and how easy it was to root and start tethering. As a end user you dont want those people creating issues for your service. So if your rude and refuse to help they go away.
But right now I can point you to at the minimum of five threads where the community is helping the noobs and letting the devs do their thing. If a dev needs to address something they do. Otherwise the community answers questions. The biggest reason for this is changelogs, instructions, and all that stuff is never deleted just updated. Even if the rom has evolved to a new level. The old info is still posted so people can find out what changed in the various releases. Plus even after somebody asks the same question ten others have asked patience is exhibited and answers are given.
The community here needs to stop worrying with telling people to search and start offering help. Most people come here and ask because they dont know how. And quite honestly dont feel like reading thread after thread after thread of rules and guidelines.They are looking to get a answer for the problem at hand. Most of them will go away if pointed in the right direction. However when people start piling on flaming them for not searching properly it just creates more spam in the thread and drives them away. Then you have people that talk major **** about how xda is a bunch of arrogant f*cktards.
Plenty of people do help in my observations. Im new and signed up only to help people. Answered a 'noob' question before making this post, amd I was nice about it too.
Fortunately, most 'noob' questions have already been answered somewhere on here. I know this because every question I have ever had has been answered by searching for it, not by posting. Not by derailing dev threads either.
The dev threads are filled with simple questions with simple, searchable answers. I shake my head when I see the same question asked posts apart surrounding the answer in a non-Q&A forum. And then I see that person who is asking get mad, or cry 'search nazi!' because someone says to search for it. Give me a break.
If the answer to a simple and eady to answer question is out there and can be found by a search, and someone asks the question anyways after being told that is what they should do in yhe futurethat is laziness, not ignorance. And getting on their case is not arrogance, some of those asking questions have high enough post counts here, they should of learned how to make their own way by now.
I should also add that I have no programming experience, and have only been using a smartphone for 3 months. Yet I have never had to ask a question about how to install a rom or fix a brick. Because I searched for the answer, and everyone else should too.
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The community here needs to stop worrying with telling people to search and start offering help. Most people come here and ask because they dont know how. And quite honestly dont feel like reading thread after thread after thread of rules and guidelines.
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How do you think the "experts" learned? I only posted 3 threads in my first 3 months here at XDA. Do you know why that is? I searched and didn't find an answer to my questions and I decided to make threads. Turns out people didn't know the answers to those either. Go figure. Everything else that I wondered about I found a thread or guide for. It's really not that hard.
If you're not willing to do some reading to be able to understand how to follow a guide you shouldn't be flashing anything to your phone.
Holocene said:
Fortunately, most 'noob' questions have already been answered somewhere on here. I know this because every question I have ever had has been answered by searching for it, not by posting. Not by derailing dev threads either.
The dev threads are filled with simple questions with simple, searchable answers. I shake my head when I see the same question asked posts apart surrounding the answer in a non-Q&A forum. And then I see that person who is asking get mad, or cry 'search nazi!' because someone says to search for it. Give me a break.
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I agree people should use the search function. Have you ever thought they did search and ended up being directed here. I have seen stuff posted and a day later comeback searched the thread because it had grown five to six pages since I seen the post and dont know where the information is. Only to not be able to find the post in question. Yesterday I searched for something I had seen posted the search results..stated they were updated 10 minutes before I had searched. How is that even possible?
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How do you think the "experts" learned? I only posted 3 threads in my first 3 months here at XDA. Do you know why that is? I searched and didn't find an answer to my questions and I decided to make threads. Turns out people didn't know the answers to those either. Go figure. Everything else that I wondered about I found a thread or guide for. It's really not that hard.
If you're not willing to do some reading to be able to understand how to follow a guide you shouldn't be flashing anything to your phone.
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Im not saying every single question should be answered with a simple heres the answer next time search response. But dont expect every person to read through every guide in fifteen threads to figure out where a wallpaper is located.
Not every person that comes here for answers is a dev or wants to be a dev.
@ eollie: I have a great idea... quit talking about it and writing these long unnecessary posts and start helping. Lead by example! Maybe others will follow suit since you seem to think people don't help others on here. I am not sure what you are trying to accomplish with these LONG posts?
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I agree people should use the search function. Have you ever thought they did search and ended up being directed here. I have seen stuff posted and a day later comeback searched the thread because it had grown five to six pages since I seen the post and dont know where the information is. Only to not be able to find the post in question.
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I generally bookmark posts that contain information relevant to my interests that I may not be able to commit to memory at the time. Yes, some get changed but most are because the information is wrong or outdated. Another post nearby most likely holds updated info.
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Im not saying every single question should be answered with a simple heres the answer next time search response. But dont expect every person to read through every guide in fifteen threads to figure out where a wallpaper is located.
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I just typed "where in an android rom is the default wallpaper located?" into Google. The first link is to an XDA post titled "Where is a Rom's default wallpaper stored?". The answer to that question is on the first page of the thread. It even has instructions on how to extract it.
Try it yourself. Searching works.
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Holocene said:
I just typed "where in an android rom is the default wallpaper located?" into Google. The first link is to an XDA post titled "Where is a Rom's default wallpaper stored?". The answer to that question is on the first page of the thread. It even has instructions on how to extract it.
Try it yourself. Searching works.
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I spent three hours tearing apart a rom to find a wallpaper used on the lockscreen. Im not a dev nor am I a themer but even doing a search for where lockscreen wallpaper is located kept directing me to widgetlocker and those types of apps. A week ago I would have just posted here in hopes somebody would point me in the proper direction. Instead I just sat in front of my computer for three hours because I didnt want to deal with the responses.
Your smartass response...well its not so smart.
@lumin30 dude seriously if you dont like my posts ignore them. Im sorry the community here is absolutely horrendous in helping people. Prime example is the post I have quoted above. Instead of taking what I was saying and using it logically he took it literally. I wasnt asking where I was using a simple example of what I have seen here. Then he even attempted to insult me with his last comment.
Im not here to make friends or enemies. Im here lookig for ways to better my android experience. When that experience is hampered because some tool wants to be a internet badass it pisses me off. Especially when in the process of berating somebody they prove how ignorant they really are. Most people that post here are human beings once in a while you will get a spam bot but 99% of the time you are dealing with a human. Some are old enough to be your grandparents others your teenage brother/sister.
POST REMOVED for sake of preventing a four paragraph response!
wow.....
i really could say something towards this thread for you guys to feed on, but i'll just shut my mouth and just say one more word.
wow.....
now what's the title of this thread again? sorry, but reading all this here made me forget. and sorry for yet another 4 paragraph response.
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eollie made some ramblings against Raver in the Q&A section too.
eollie - I am sorry! Please do not attack me with four paragraphs for saying that.
MY RESPONSE: OK
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eollie made some ramblings against Raver in the Q&A section too.
eollie - I am sorry! Please do not attack me with four paragraphs for saying that.
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And you just cant let it go can you? I apologized to him and he has accepted it. See adults work things out and accept mistakes and apologies. I guess a child like you just wants to keep the friction and tension high so you appear to be superior. Regarding my not following my own advise in ignoring people..I find your posts in response to me very amusing. You just can help yourself and not respond. Your like a woman arguing to get the last word in. You just cant help it. I would say Im look forward to your response but honestly its not fun anymore you are too predictable.
lumin will post within the next ten minutes rebuting me.
Your name calling, swearing, and the chauvanistic and defamatory comments you just made speak on your behalf. Noone on this board is picking on anyone as much as you are. Good luck getting any help or making friends with that attitude. Peace out dude.
@mods Im done with this, sorry about this being new and all. I couldn't continue watching his thread derailing and user bashing without saying anything.
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Holocene said:
Noone on this board is picking on anyone as much as you are. Good luck getting any help or making friends with that attitude. Peace out dude.
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Im glad you feel that way. I have seen it first hand tho. You even did it in your initial post to me. Tried to insult me via your last comment. Good god its like people cant see past their own nose. Im guilty as charged in smashing noobs with a bat. But Ive never claimed to not do it. I just think sometimes it is not necessary.
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@mods Im done with this, sorry about this being new and all. I couldn't continue watching his thread derailing and user bashing without saying anything.
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High road exit was before you posted to me initially. Getting back now will be a long process or winding mountainous roads. Dont forget to enjoy the view along the way tho. There is some awesome put out points to take pictures.
as much as i'd hate to say this, but i see this thread getting deleted before the weekend.
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It seems that too many devs are leaving us due to repeated noobs question and generally flooded threads.
I thought to myself why not use an SGS 4G facebook page as a gate for all QA & General simple questions and leave development issues and logs for the xda forum? This way people will have the community they want and devs will get the order and work environment they want.
Please let me know what you think before it will become another one of those threads and be closed by moderator.
Thanks.
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now to get back on topic. i personally think it might be a good idea, but unfortunately i don't see it working in this community. we're trying with our wiki page, but it seems that people just want to be spoon fed for this device. trust me, i've checked the mytouch 3g slide forums (my fiance's device) and the galaxy tab 10.1 forums (my next device) and have yet to see what goes on here on those forums. seems to me MOST people with this device are nothing but spoiled little teenagers that are spoon fed all the time. it's no wonder the devs are dropping like flies. if i was a dev, i would leave also. sorry for ranting on your thread itz, but felt this was the best place to put in my 2 cents worth.
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droidmyst said:
now to get back on topic. i personally think it might be a good idea, but unfortunately i don't see it working in this community. we're trying with our wiki page, but it seems that people just want to be spoon fed for this device.
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I mentioned it before but a lot of people ignore wikis because they are typically out of date. In the beginning people will update them regularly and then just stop. However after some time looking around I can say the SGS4G wiki is just the opposite. Tons of info and for the most part easy to navigate. Which brings up another problem with wikis. The ability to navigate it easily and endless loops of redirects. Again the SGS4G doesnt appear to suffer from that.
Maybe instead of the sticky posts with thread links we could get a single thread with wiki links. That way info is updated and people are spending an hour navigating through search results within one thread. In my mind this makes sense just putting it in print is eluding me.
Idk about the Facebook page. Seems a little too personal lol, and not everyone uses it.
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Idk about the Facebook page. Seems a little too personal lol, and not everyone uses it.
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The fact it is personal and exposes peoples real identity is what makes it awesome. Most of the people here wouldnt act the way they did if they were made to use real name and such. Being anonymous has so many advantages and disadvantages.
Can I just point out that I started a thread with a guide to flashing and is intended to help the devs buffer the questions to that thread
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It seems that too many devs are leaving us due to repeated noobs question and generally flooded threads.
I thought to myself why not use an SGS 4G facebook page as a gate for all QA & General simple questions and leave development issues and logs for the xda forum?
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back on the actual topic, since it has once again been derailed by the self-appointed thread police....
Devs are not leaving us only for the reasons you stated. Some of that may be part of it, but it's not the sum total...
As for Facebook page... feel free to create one, and I wish you the best of luck.. as one of those 'weird' people who doesn't use Facebook, i won't be coming to visit it...
Firstly i'll admit this may come off as a rant, but i will be making some valid points that i believe need to be addressed
Secondly, i really don't care if anybody finds this offensive because well points need to be made and sometimes they have to be bluntly made.
Thirdly, i'm sure many of you will agree with me on these points.
Fourthly, @Mods i understand this may come off a bit harsh to some people but again things need to be said.
Finally, please enjoy this read
Well here's the story of how i ended up writing this thread, ever since the Galaxy S3 came out many of you probably noticed that i was constantly helping people every single day, basically answering the same questions day in and day out. For a while i was fine with that, but the past few months i've almost ceased posting entirely, why you ask? Because answering the same questions everyday when their are plenty of stickies, and plenty of threads already asking those exact questions just got tiring and frustrating. Its very simple to search the forums as well as google, and to post a thread asking about a problem that can be answered by simply looking 1 to 5 threads down is just laziness and not needed. I understand people want answers quickly, but sometimes where you post these issues becomes an issue as well.
Issues #1: READ THE ORIGINAL POST (OP)
Example A: Bajee11 brought rootbox to our phones, and now he's closed his thread. Why? Because people couldn't just read the original post and keep non-development talk out of his thread.
Thread can be found here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2134052
If you read his original post right below the downloads section is a Non-development | Discussion | Support banner in big bold letters with a link to where non-development talk should be discussed, simple enough to read and understand. Its not hidden away at all, so their should be no reason why somebody can't see it.
What happened? Somebody flashed the i9300 (european) rom onto their i535 (verizon) phone. And essentially bricked the phone (wouldn't boot up) and that user posted about it asking for support. (ALL posts in their have since been removed so i can't show them to you but please take my word for it)
At this point, support should not be asked in the developers thread when he's stated not to post non development stuff in his thread.
But that's now what happened, people started helping him which is nice to do, but again in the wrong place. And posts continued which clogged up the thread and made things more difficult. Eventually the developer asked that it be stopped and taken somewhere else so that his thread wasn't clogged up with that junk, and this is what happened.
Originally Posted by Internet Guy
Don't be a ****. This forum is here to not only provide Roms and various tools for android users, but also to provide help when needed.
Take a chill pill, friend.
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Bajee11: Dude, this is my thread so I expect the rules to be followed. I have over 20 threads to maintain and I don't want to come back here for every single post when it's not development related. You guys have no clue how hard it is to track bugs when users don't follow any rules and specially when you got several devices to maintain. Not only do you not know what a development thread is, you even take on me for pointing out this not the right place for bricked phone discussion? This is why XDA has different sections for these kind of things and users like you should learn that. Anyways, closing thread.
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Somebody goes and decides to challenge him instead of being respectful and taking NON ROM DEVELOPMENT talk somewhere else, it could've easily been dealt with in PM's, or searching the forum, or help me god making yet another thread about it.
This user that had an issue could've solved his problem by simply looking at this sticky thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2079399
Why is this a problem?
Well quite frankly the people that were using the Rootbox rom now have to sit, wait and wonder whether support will continue for D2VZW or if they should move on, just because some people couldn't read the OP and follow the simple requests, and had to feel the need to then challenge the OP instead of just respecting him.
Oh but that only applies to one rom my rom is fine
Have you ever tried to figure what bugs are in a rom only to be forced to read a million posts that aren't related to that rom at all but instead somebody doing something stupid resulting in user error not rom error? I know i have, its so frustrating to have to skim through 20 pages when in reality if people could keep things where they belong we wouldn't have that issue. Once you flash something that's not stock on the rom, ANY BUGS that occur are not the roms fault, because their is no way of knowing whether whatever you flashed caused it or not.
Flash a different kernel, then have x,y,z errors? Post in the KERNEL thread about it, i guarantee you'll get more kernel support their than in the Rom thread. You could make a simple post in the Rom thread and say "hey guys i flashed X kernel and now Y isn't working, just letting others know" Bam end of story, its simple, alerts other users and keeps thing clean.
Okay so that's one post but i see a million of them, okay well lets say User A posts that, then users B-Y post irrelevant nonsense then user Z posts the same thing as A, that's why you see it a bunch. Because B-Y or a combination had irrelevant information in their posts.
Solutions:
Option 1: I realize this is hard but please people have some respect and self control and keep posts where they are relevant. Or maybe the mod's should just start warning/giving infractions to people that can't obey the rules and have some damn respect when a developer asks you to please take business somewhere else.
Option 2: Instead of cluttering up the development thread, go make some thread in Q/A even though that'll go against my second issue it'll be better than clogging up relevant rom information/development, that users want to see. I'm sorry but if you brick your phone flashing something that's not meant for your phone that your own damn fault for not reading what you're download and flashing.
Option 3: If you can't read the OP then you shouldn't be rooting your phone. Honestly folks its not hard to read the OP, its their for a reason, not for you to skip down to the downloads link, flash the rom, and then say "X and Y are missing" when in the OP it clearly states they aren't there. And what do you know that's one more useless post.
Time for me to take a breath...
Issue #2: Not using the search function
I realize this may be hard for people to understand but its their for a reason, not to just look pretty. Its sole purpose is to try and keep things clean and help users to find helpful information. How many of you use google search everyday? i know i do, probably over 100 times a day and its very helpful, so i KNOW that you other users have used a search engine before, so why not use the one on XDA? Its not rocket science and its got plenty of options to help you narrow stuff down.
Hell even before you post a thread, it'll automatically search for relevant threads related to your title.
Notice: When you enter a thread title the system will search for similar threads which have already been posted. That should help you to find answers.
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Now tell me are you blind, or do you choose to ignore it? I'm guessing its the second one. Or maybe people are too lazy to just read the titles of threads, i guarantee you whatever issue you are having somebody else has had and already got an answer for it. Obviously we can't force people to use it, but please people, google is your friend, the search bar is your friend.
Solutions:
Option 1: Up the post requirement for development sections, i know i know this probably will be hated but its clear that it's needed. People still can't seem to just get it right anymore. Maybe if they have to spend a little more time actually using the forum they'll actually start to realize all these helpful things around them.
Option 2: Can we just start banning people? haha i kid i kid. But seriously, can we give Rom developers the right to edit posts in their respective threads, so if they deem something as pointless, then bam deleted
At this point i'm out of breath and tired from staring at the screen.
But i'll leave with this 99% of errors are user errors not rom errors. Yes that's right i'm blaming the users, because hey its your fault for messing something up. I flash rom's everyday and yet i don't have these crazy errors that others have, but hey i'm flashing stuff that's meant for my phone People really need to stop being dumb and start reading the OP it contains so much information, i swear some of you will flashing anything even if in the OP it states "THIS WILL DESTROY YOUR PHONE" and guess what, you'll flash it anyways because you're too lazy to take ONE minute to read it. You could read while making your nandroid backup, oh hey that's a great idea And when you have an issue, just use the search function.
I understand we were all noobs at once, but still... like i said, most issues are user error.
TLTR:
-Please read OP's
-Please use the search bar
-Please post issues in their respective threads
-Please don't post irrelevant nonsense in development threads, that's not the place for it.
-Please if you flash anything not stock with the rom, don't blame the rom.
-Please post rom issues in rom threads, and kernel issues in kernel threads.
-Please if you do something stupid, keep it out of the rom/kernel thread.
-Please read stickies, they contain more information than your heart desires and will help you in the long run.
-Please try and understand where i am coming from
Oh and again, i don't care if i offended some of you.
-NeverEndingXsin
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Haha, you quoted that?
I don't let phone stuff get to me. Life's too short. But maybe this will help, maybe not
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On accident. I'm so used to replying with a quote that I forgot not to.
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bobAbooE said:
Haha, you quoted that?
I don't let phone stuff get to me. Life's too short. But maybe this will help, maybe not
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The final straw for me was that a recognized developer closed his thread due to people being rude, inconsiderate, and not reading the OP. Figured it was time to say something.
Neverendingxsin said:
The final straw for me was that a recognized developer closed his thread due to people being rude, inconsiderate, and not reading the OP. Figured it was time to say something.
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Happened when I was on the Rezound as well. People made Erishasnobattery really mad, and he and Apophis closed off the paradigm thread.
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Obaterista93 said:
Happened when I was on the Rezound as well. People made Erishasnobattery really mad, and he and Apophis closed off the paradigm thread.
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Its a damn shame things go down like that. But i can't blame the developers for getting sick of it. People expect everything to be handed to them on a silver platter, but that's not how life is.
Good thread Neverendingxsin. I've had this problem too and had to get mods to intervene multiple times due to childish behavior -_-
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Good thread Neverendingxsin. I've had this problem too and had to get mods to intervene multiple times due to childish behavior -_-
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Thanks As a user myself i find it hard enough to deal with, as a developer i imagine its a whole lot worse. Just trying to make things a bit easier for you guys!
This really needed to be said. People feel way to entitled around here. You don't realize what you have until you lose it.
luis86dr said:
This really needed to be said. People feel way to entitled around here. You don't realize what you have until you lose it.
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I couldn't agree more. Everything that i know to this day about android i learned by reading threads, reading stickies, and paying attention to problems others are having and the solutions to them. Its not hard to do.
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I couldn't agree more. Everything that i know to this day about android i learned by reading threads, reading stickies, and paying attention to problems others are having and the solutions to them. Its not hard to do.
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If only everyone could have that mentality, it would make the drama on XDA far less than what it is.
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If only everyone could have that mentality, it would make the drama on XDA far less than what it is.
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Keyword: "If" i doubt that would ever happen
The problem is the people that post all that clutter aren't going to find this thread. They are way too lazy.
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llama555 said:
The problem is the people that post all that clutter aren't going to find this thread. They are way too lazy.
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Not even that they won't find the thread, but they'll just skip over it. And then anyone that actually opens the thread most likely won't bother to read this OP either...
That's the truth
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Unfortunately, it's always going to happen. The best we can do is report the offending posts. The more you report, the more the mods, and admins will take notice. They will in turn, notify the offenders, and remove the posts/threads.
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Unfortunately, it's always going to happen. The best we can do is report the offending posts. The more you report, the more the mods, and admins will take notice. They will in turn, notify the offenders, and remove the posts/threads.
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Mhmmmm. But when developers decide they don't want to develop for a particular phone due to users being like that it starts to become an issue.
Neverendingxsin said:
Mhmmmm. But when developers decide they don't want to develop for a particular phone due to users being like that it starts to become an issue.
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That's why you report the offending posts, as soon as you see them.
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That's why you report the offending posts, as soon as you see them.
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Shouldn't be necessary in the first place. My entire point is that people should be reading OPs and showing respect for them.