I apologize if someone else has already discussed this on here, I Googled to no avail, only finding this thread on opo forums: https://forums.oneplus.net/threads/anyone-use-tap-and-pay-with-opo-at-mcdonalds.69436/
This is my first phone with Google Wallet tap pay capability, my wife's s4 has it but we never tried it until recently.
The problem is, when we go to McDonald's, my wife's s4 will tap and pay just fine, but my opo will not. It says it detects the reader, prompts me for my pin, but then says "check with cashier, it may have failed". And it fails.
Why?
I did find another thread, discussing the intricacies of NFC, saying that the opo may be using a newer chip than most other phones, but the guy in the opo forums said he used his at Walgreens just fine. I haven't had a chance to test that myself, though I will soon.
Any ideas? Or personal experiences?
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I have been using the GW app on my OP since I purchased in early July. I have used it at CVS, Sports Authority and Macy's without problems. I also have been using my GW app for a few years and you may not have everything you need set up or configured correctly in you Google account. Access the account on a PC and go through all the settings options, maybe the issue is there.
I was the one that started the original thread on the OPO forum that was linked above. I flashed the CM11 nightly and can report that tap-and-pay is now working at McDonalds, so I'm guessing the issue is just a bug in CM11S and should be fixed in a future update. It wasn't just McDonalds that I had problems, though it did consistently fail there. For now, I'm going to continue running the CM11 nightly and continue testing at some of the other places I had problems.
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I was the one that started the original thread on the OPO forum that was linked above. I flashed the CM11 nightly and can report that tap-and-pay is now working at McDonalds, so I'm guessing the issue is just a bug in CM11S and should be fixed in a future update. It wasn't just McDonalds that I had problems, though it did consistently fail there. For now, I'm going to continue running the CM11 nightly and continue testing at some of the other places I had problems.
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Great to hear! I'm not brave enough to flash a nightly, but I'm glad you are! I will wait for the update. Is there a set schedule for official updates?
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beastlykings said:
Great to hear! I'm not brave enough to flash a nightly, but I'm glad you are! I will wait for the update. Is there a set schedule for official updates?
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No set schedule. It's available when it's available. I'm sure you can do it and flash cm 11 if you want to. Xda can help
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I'm on PA and my GW worked fine at CVS today. No issues.
beastlykings, to unlock the boot loader and flash a nightly or something else is easy if you've got your drivers set up.
And you don't need to update every other day if you don't want to. You can use a nightly for months most likely without a problem.
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I was the one that started the original thread on the OPO forum that was linked above. I flashed the CM11 nightly and can report that tap-and-pay is now working at McDonalds, so I'm guessing the issue is just a bug in CM11S and should be fixed in a future update. It wasn't just McDonalds that I had problems, though it did consistently fail there. For now, I'm going to continue running the CM11 nightly and continue testing at some of the other places I had problems.
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I'm having trouble with new as well. just bought some tags and the OnePlus can't read or write to them. weird?
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Great to hear! I'm not brave enough to flash a nightly, but I'm glad you are! I will wait for the update. Is there a set schedule for official updates?
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I'm having trouble with new as well. just bought some tags and the OnePlus can't read or write to them. weird?
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My opo won't recognize my 1k mifare classics, my wife's s4 will, but only enough to tell me they aren't supported. Idk what going on, but I think there has been a shift in compatibility for some reason, maybe yours aren't compatible?
Just a thought.
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The mifare 1/2/4/8k chips aren't technically NFC forum compliant, which is why they don't work with most NFC enabled phones.
While some may be able to get a reading using the NXP tag reader app, you won't be able to write to them.
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These are not mifare NFC tags I made sure not to buy those. These are Topaz 512 units?
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My opo won't recognize my 1k mifare classics, my wife's s4 will, but only enough to tell me they aren't supported. Idk what going on, but I think there has been a shift in compatibility for some reason, maybe yours aren't compatible?
Just a thought.
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The mifare 1/2/4/8k chips aren't technically NFC forum compliant, which is why they don't work with most NFC enabled phones.
While some may be able to get a reading using the NXP tag reader app, you won't be able to write to them.
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TooSlo said:
The mifare 1/2/4/8k chips aren't technically NFC forum compliant, which is why they don't work with most NFC enabled phones.
While some may be able to get a reading using the NXP tag reader app, you won't be able to write to them.
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That's good to know. Is there a central source for this kind of information? I trust you, I just want to learn more.
It's sad that they are not compliant, my old note i717 used them fine, now I've got 20 or so junk tags, I guess that's the price you pay for jumping on leading edge before standards are set.
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beastlykings said:
That's good to know. Is there a central source for this kind of information? I trust you, I just want to learn more.
It's sad that they are not compliant, my old note i717 used them fine, now I've got 20 or so junk tags, I guess that's the price you pay for jumping on leading edge before standards are set.
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Sadly there isn't a site that gives a full breakdown on compatibility with each type of NFC tag. Your best bet is to look at a few things and decide on a tag that works from there.
If you're just looking to use something like Tasker or another app to trigger some type of command (turn wi-fi on/off, etc) then something like the NTAG 203 is a good choice. These provide a pretty limited storage space, but are incredibly cheap for the most part.
If you want to store a lot more information, such as a vCard, you may want to look into something like an NXP 216. These have a bit more readable space (888 bytes over the 144(I believe) of the NTAG 203) so you can store information like name/address/phone/email/etc. These work well for everything except photos. Due to the slow read speed of NFC, trying to store even the most basic photo would provide a terrible user experience.
As far as how I know all of this, I worked for a startup here in Seattle that focused on NFC technology. Most of the people who were creating tags to be read with mobile devices used the NTAG 203 chips since you could easily put a shortened URL on them and they were incredibly cheap when bought in bulk. While the Mifare chips work great, and are often times used in things like bus passes, they aren't as friendly to mobile devices. We sold a ton of those, but they were never really for the hobbyist.
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Sadly there isn't a site that gives a full breakdown on compatibility with each type of NFC tag. Your best bet is to look at a few things and decide on a tag that works from there.
If you're just looking to use something like Tasker or another app to trigger some type of command (turn wi-fi on/off, etc) then something like the NTAG 203 is a good choice. These provide a pretty limited storage space, but are incredibly cheap for the most part.
If you want to store a lot more information, such as a vCard, you may want to look into something like an NXP 216. These have a bit more readable space (888 bytes over the 144(I believe) of the NTAG 203) so you can store information like name/address/phone/email/etc. These work well for everything except photos. Due to the slow read speed of NFC, trying to store even the most basic photo would provide a terrible user experience.
As far as how I know all of this, I worked for a startup here in Seattle that focused on NFC technology. Most of the people who were creating tags to be read with mobile devices used the NTAG 203 chips since you could easily put a shortened URL on them and they were incredibly cheap when bought in bulk. While the Mifare chips work great, and are often times used in things like bus passes, they aren't as friendly to mobile devices. We sold a ton of those, but they were never really for the hobbyist.
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Appreciate the information!
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No set schedule. It's available when it's available. I'm sure you can do it and flash cm 11 if you want to. Xda can help
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I'm on PA and my GW worked fine at CVS today. No issues.
beastlykings, to unlock the boot loader and flash a nightly or something else is easy if you've got your drivers set up.
And you don't need to update every other day if you don't want to. You can use a nightly for months most likely without a problem.
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My biggest problem, (forgive me for not using Google, there is so much speculation out there right now because not everyone has the phone but everyone wants to comment on it) is getting back to stock from the nightly. I'm assuming if I flash a nightly, then when the official update comes out I will need to flash stock?
And how about nightlies, are there updates every night or if I want to flash a new nightly then I need to wipe and reflash the latest version?
And are there issues with using titanium backup or is everything mostly smooth because the changes between versions aren't huge?
Idk. I guess I just want a stable phone for a while but I keep running into bugs on stock. But I don't want MORE bugs on nightly. I love my opo, but Google navigation voice starts quiet and then ramps up to loud every time it talks to me. Pandora won't play through the headphone jack unless I restart the phone with them plugged in. Plus a number of other little things I can't think of currently.
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So I got the 30O update, and now McDonald's tap pay isn't working even a little bit. With my phone screen on and waiting, no matter what I do it won't even register that I attempted to make a payment. It's like the phone and the terminal aren't communicating at all.
I've called Google and squared away my account, everything is fine and set up properly on their end and my end.
I only tried it a half dozen times before switching to my card, I didn't want to hold up the line.
Anybody else have problems with the update and tap pay?
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Well you have to keep in mind that the stock ROM on the OPO is a "custom" ROM. Its pretty much CM 11S with some special apps such as the 11S lock screen AudioFX. It seems like you're at a dead end when it comes to Google Wallet payments. Why not just flash a custom ROM and see if the problem still occurs?
Titanium Backup works perfectly fine, no problems what so ever. Is your "headphone" a headset? (a microphone included).
And this seems silly but when you go into settings -> Tap and pay ........ you do see google wallet there and it is selected with the circle, correct?
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Well you have to keep in mind that the stock ROM on the OPO is a "custom" ROM. Its pretty much CM 11S with some special apps such as the 11S lock screen AudioFX. It seems like you're at a dead end when it comes to Google Wallet payments. Why not just flash a custom ROM and see if the problem still occurs?
Titanium Backup works perfectly fine, no problems what so ever. Is your "headphone" a headset? (a microphone included).
And this seems silly but when you go into settings -> Tap and pay ........ you do see google wallet there and it is selected with the circle, correct?
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While this is true, I know it's still a custom rom, but it should be different than just flashing cm11 on any old phone. This is cm11s, the software is tuned specifically to run on this hardware, and this is what I paid for.
I'm not mad, and I'm not making a big issue, I understand that all devices have bugs, even Samsung and Apple etc etc have bugs.
But it's not wrong for me to expect a certain valuable, common, feature, to function as intended. I'm willing to do a little workaround here or there until it is fixed in the next update, but it should've been fixed in this update, no? Didn't someone say it wasn't working on 25, but was working on the nightlies, so why isn't it working in 30?
Or is it working on 30 for others and just not me?
These are the questions I'm hoping someone can help me answer.
Today I actually got the phone to recognize the reader, but only once, and it was the same problem as before, "transaction may have failed, ask cashier".
And yes I have tap and pay enabled in the settings, but thank you for the suggestion, maybe I am just missing something simple? Nfc is on and working with connections to other phones, my account is verified I can send money to people manually, and it says tap and pay ready in Google wallet.
Anyone any ideas?
Edit: speaking of stupid reasons I could have missed, I am rooted, does that cause a problem? Google security issue making it not work? Anybody out there using tap and pay while rooted?
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I had the same problem with my Nexus 5. I cleared all the days in the app, uninstalled, reinstalled and set back up. It's worked fine ever since.
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I had the same problem with my Nexus 5. I cleared all the days in the app, uninstalled, reinstalled and set back up. It's worked fine ever since.
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Days, you mean data? Cache? I can do that, I will give it a try, thanks!
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beastlykings said:
Days, you mean data? Cache? I can do that, I will give it a try, thanks!
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Yes. Do that. Then uninstall the app then reinstall from play store and set up.
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Alright. Just got my Infuse last month. I picked this phone for specific reasons. Nevermind that. What I am curious about is this:
How secure are custom ROMs?
I know...noob. However, I have read a lot about it...or attempted to anyway. I am not finding much in the way of a technical explanation of why custom ROMs are secure.
Because of the nature of what I do, I need things to be pretty locked down.
I used to have a cappy, which I flashed a few ROMs to, and eventually bricked. But again, my job deals with personal info in my gmail inbox. I can't compromise that.
Alright, super long blabfest cut short: how secure are any of these ROMs?
Thanks for reading, thanks for writing, and most of all, thanks to the Devs!!!
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I don't think anybody has had any "security" issues. I mean after all they are or most of them are Samsung based roms, just with mods and themes applied to them.
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honestly if your worried about your phone then i think you need to NOT have a smart phone .. not bashing you just saying if you it upload it etc etc people can and will fined it
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Alright. Just got my Infuse last month. I picked this phone for specific reasons. Nevermind that. What I am curious about is this:
How secure are custom ROMs?
I know...noob. However, I have read a lot about it...or attempted to anyway. I am not finding much in the way of a technical explanation of why custom ROMs are secure.
Because of the nature of what I do, I need things to be pretty locked down.
I used to have a cappy, which I flashed a few ROMs to, and eventually bricked. But again, my job deals with personal info in my gmail inbox. I can't compromise that.
Alright, super long blabfest cut short: how secure are any of these ROMs?
Thanks for reading, thanks for writing, and most of all, thanks to the Devs!!!
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I am not a Dev, but I understand a little regarding software security from my software hack days.
Running these Custom ROMs are secure, it's your individual setting per app is where you manage your security. There are software apps free and paid, I have tried Norton apps for security on the Infuse, check it out its free and I believe it has a trial period. I understand what your concern, I have 4 email accounts that I run, with a govt email being forwarded to one of the four.
As per google's policy, they can retain your info (including personal) indefinitely. They could share non personal info like browsing habits with their partners. Personal info would be divulged law enforcement officers when request comes in through proper channels. This is the norm with all online providers.
If you are talking about encryption and such stuff, make sure you enable strong passwords (not simple pattern based or number based).
Also set the option in settings to disable USB debugging when phone is locked. This will prevent connecting and issuing adb commands at system level.
Set up software like avast to send remote commands to phone when you feel its lost to erase the phone as first step.
When you try to install stuff from market, see for what permissions it uses. If you are uncomfortable, and the vendor isn't a well known entity, don't install such software.
These are some basic measures you could try employing. 100% security is something not achievable, cos if it were, we wouldn't be having so many people/companies working on anti virus software.
You spoke about gmail...check out their 2 layer security protection for gmail. You have to have your phone WITH you in order to log in. I know it's not what you asked but I'm sure U would be interested in setting that up.
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You spoke about gmail...check out their 2 layer security protection for gmail. You have to have your phone WITH you in order to log in. I know it's not what you asked but I'm sure U would be interested in setting that up.
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I think this is only for browsers. On phone, once setup, it stays.
@OP: In case you lose your phone, change your gmail password on computer, and it will auto disconnect the email and market on phone.
There are several apps on the market, Cerberus and Lookout, for example, that will let you remote wipe your phone if it gets lost or stolen. Also they allow you to send text messages to your device or email messages to turn on wifi/gps and locate it, send you back information, set off the alarm, etc.
There's also an app called Divide iirc, that lets you set up a 'work' and 'personal' data/app profile, so when you hand off your phone to someone or take it into work, you can set it into work mode, and your personal data is unavailable until you switch back.
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adalgiso said:
There's also an app called Divide iirc, that lets you set up a 'work' and 'personal' data/app profile, so when you hand off your phone to someone or take it into work, you can set it into work mode, and your personal data is unavailable until you switch back.
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Gotta try this Divide IIRC
@diablo Now I know what you were talking about in much more detail.. Very interesting.
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Erik_T said:
@diablo Now I know what you were talking about in much more detail.. Very interesting.
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See, finally it came out here what I kinda should've put out for you in our PMs.
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honestly if your worried about your phone then i think you need to NOT have a smart phone .. not bashing you just saying if you it upload it etc etc people can and will fined it
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Dude. I'm not going without a smartphone. Before I bricked it, I had teamhacksung's ICS on it. There's no way I'm going to have a dumbphone. It's hard enough going back to Froyo and Touchwiz.
I work in an industry that by its very nature is mobile. I understand that transmitting data & putting stuff in the cloud carries some risk. What I want to understand better is whether I am adding to that risk by getting rid of official firmware and installing something that isn't.
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I have been using Lookout. I have tried a few security apps, but I've also read a few articles that seem to indicate that it's unclear whether some of those apps work because there has been few widespread outbreaks.
My primary concern is the relative security of my clients' data. Their email could be hacked before it ever gets to me too. But, after spending a month with TouchWiz, I am drooling over some of the ROMs I'm seeing here. Particularly interested about Revelation.
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As per google's policy, they can retain your info (including personal) indefinitely. They could share non personal info like browsing habits with their partners. Personal info would be divulged law enforcement officers when request comes in through proper channels. This is the norm with all online providers.
If you are talking about encryption and such stuff, make sure you enable strong passwords (not simple pattern based or number based).
Also set the option in settings to disable USB debugging when phone is locked. This will prevent connecting and issuing adb commands at system level.
Set up software like avast to send remote commands to phone when you feel its lost to erase the phone as first step.
When you try to install stuff from market, see for what permissions it uses. If you are uncomfortable, and the vendor isn't a well known entity, don't install such software.
These are some basic measures you could try employing. 100% security is something not achievable, cos if it were, we wouldn't be having so many people/companies working on anti virus software.
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Thanks...good stuff! I recently shared a couple of those things with some folks who just got their first Androids.
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You spoke about gmail...check out their 2 layer security protection for gmail. You have to have your phone WITH you in order to log in. I know it's not what you asked but I'm sure U would be interested in setting that up.
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Very interesting. Will definitely take a peek. Thanks!
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diablo009 said:
I think this is only for browsers. On phone, once setup, it stays.
@OP: In case you lose your phone, change your gmail password on computer, and it will auto disconnect the email and market on phone.
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Thanks. Didn't know that, very smart
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There's also an app called Divide iirc, that lets you set up a 'work' and 'personal' data/app profile, so when you hand off your phone to someone or take it into work, you can set it into work mode, and your personal data is unavailable until you switch back.
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That sounds pretty badass. Thanks!
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jfromh said:
I work in an industry that by its very nature is mobile. I understand that transmitting data & putting stuff in the cloud carries some risk. What I want to understand better is whether I am adding to that risk by getting rid of official firmware and installing something that isn't.
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To be honest, the custom ROMs here are more secure than the stock one, with an exception that they are rooted. But by enabling certain options I mentioned above, this can be overcome (I am referring to disabling USB debugging when screen is locked).
Also, the ROM devs go to lengths to incorporate any security loopholes that they find out. Best example was the loggers on most HTC phones that logged even sensitive info like passwords. The devs here took care of taking it out from their ROMs.
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My primary concern is the relative security of my clients' data. Their email could be hacked before it ever gets to me too. But, after spending a month with TouchWiz, I am drooling over some of the ROMs I'm seeing here. Particularly interested about Revelation.
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This is a relative flaw in android that it currently does not support device level encryption like blackberry. BBs go the extent of not even showing contacts and requiring a full reset of device on things like SIM change. Android still doesn't have this feature. There are some workarounds though that we could employ to use this wonderful OS.
Most security apps today (like avast; I am not marketing this app, but this is one of apps I tried that is free and has a hell load of options) can be configured at system level as device admins. And they have options that can help keep them alive even after a full system reset (helps save from majority of users).
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Gotta try this Divide IIRC
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Am unable to find this app in market. Any market link?
diablo009 said:
To be honest, the custom ROMs here are more secure than the stock one, with an exception that they are rooted. But by enabling certain options I mentioned above, this can be overcome (I am referring to disabling USB debugging when screen is locked).
Also, the ROM devs go to lengths to incorporate any security loopholes that they find out. Best example was the loggers on most HTC phones that logged even sensitive info like passwords. The devs here took care of taking it out from their ROMs.
This is a relative flaw in android that it currently does not support device level encryption like blackberry. BBs go the extent of not even showing contacts and requiring a full reset of device on things like SIM change. Android still doesn't have this feature. There are some workarounds though that we could employ to use this wonderful OS.
Most security apps today (like avast; I am not marketing this app, but this is one of apps I tried that is free and has a hell load of options) can be configured at system level as device admins. And they have options that can help keep them alive even after a full system reset (helps save from majority of users).
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Am unable to find this app in market. Any market link?
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Wow. Even I found it. Feels great. To help the smart guy. Even just a little.
I do believe this is what he is talking about...
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.enterproid.divideinstaller
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Wow. Even I found it. Feels great. To help the smart guy. Even just a little.
I do believe this is what he is talking about...
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.enterproid.divideinstaller
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Thanks Erik. I wasn't able to find it myself
First I'd like to say that this thread has MOD approval. I would like to keep it that way so here are some rules:
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With those out of the way I hope everyone here enjoys and uses our new place to converse. Please feel free to link people who are getting off topic in other threads to this one as a friendly reminder.
So I guess this is where I start the conversation.
How many of you think that this is a good idea???
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That question seems to have two possible answers...
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I seen one of these in another forum you were a mod in Woody. Its still going semi strong mostly a couple of regulars talking back and forth.
Ill start.
How many of you know the Nexus 4 is available currently in play store. I was able to get my order in. Ill still be poking around but only poking as Im passing this phone to my daughter. Im actually glad jb is progressing. However ultrgen was the bees knees for me until slim b3 was released.
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I seen one of these in another forum you were a mod in Woody. Its still going semi strong mostly a couple of regulars talking back and forth.
Ill start.
How many of you know the Nexus 4 is available currently in play store. I was able to get my order in. Ill still be poking around but only poking as Im passing this phone to my daughter. Im actually glad jb is progressing. However ultrgen was the bees knees for me until slim b3 was released.
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I like the Nexus for a cheap unlocked phone that works on Tmo-Wind networks, but hate that it has no SD card slot and only 16GB max. I don't have a ton of stuff on my SD card but I did have to go from a 16 to 32GB card a while ago just to keep enough music and other things I like on my phone on there. Right now if I buy one and activate it on Wind, I'd get 50$ credit, but meh. lol. Sad thing is this phone will get updates for a while probably while all the other phones don't.
I hate seeing some of the new phones Sammy is releasing, 800mhz processor but JB on it. Can't give us JB.
Part of the problem is our carriers, they are limited in the number of phones they buy for their bands, which limits us too., Is sammy going to release a JB update for the S2 that has 10's of millions of phones, or our phone, that probably is maybe a million or less, so we suffer and S2 users get the goods as well as the new crappy music player galaxy 800mhz phones.
Rain sucks.
Ultragen rocks, it's still my DD and was Remics before that. I like the touchwiz interface and launcher. It's smooth. I don't want 6000 dumb transition effects like loops and twirls and spinny things, just one transition that works well and looks good and I find touchwiz does that.
That is all for now. lol.
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I like the Nexus for a cheap unlocked phone that works on Tmo-Wind networks, but hate that it has no SD card slot and only 16GB max.
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I ended up with the S3 for that reason. I get horrible signal at work, on top of not being allowed to have a camera phone, so it stays in my pocket. The horrible signal problem makes it so all of my music has to be on my sdcard. I didn't want to have to fight between music and apps with the Nexus 4.
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I like the Nexus for a cheap unlocked phone that works on Tmo-Wind networks, but hate that it has no SD card slot and only 16GB max. I don't have a ton of stuff on my SD card but I did have to go from a 16 to 32GB card a while ago just to keep enough music and other things I like on my phone on there. Right now if I buy one and activate it on Wind, I'd get 50$ credit, but meh. lol. Sad thing is this phone will get updates for a while probably while all the other phones don't.
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Ill be getting a chromebook soon so I plan on using that 100gb of google cloud service for music that way I can Keep more with me. The way I look at it you create playlists then sync the playlist to your device. I remember seeing a tasker profile that can do this so I will have to find it.
Part of the problem is our carriers, they are limited in the number of phones they buy for their bands, which limits us too., Is sammy going to release a JB update for the S2 that has 10's of millions of phones, or our phone, that probably is maybe a million or less, so we suffer and S2 users get the goods as well as the new crappy music player galaxy 800mhz phones.
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The limitations and bs they claimed was just to get people to upgrade. I think ST has a lg phone that is running 4.1 and a 800mhz processor. Its not a super phone but it does what most people want which is facebook email and those type of things.
Rain sucks.
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Unless you are in one of the drought areas then is awesome but still hate being out in it.
Ultragen rocks, it's still my DD and was Remics before that. I like the touchwiz interface and launcher. It's smooth. I don't want 6000 dumb transition effects like loops and twirls and spinny things, just one transition that works well and looks good and I find touchwiz does that.
That is all for now. lol
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Personally I like adw just for the customization. And it is minor things like only needing four dock icons. There are a couple cool themes but most of the time Im rocking the stock adw theme with some modified icons. I dont know what some of these developers where thinking with the design of their app icon.
Cool. Glad to see everyone enjoying the thread. My next phone will be a Samsung 3.2ghz octi-core phone/tablet/wallet that charges off of body heat. It will have an 25mp camera and 64GB of internal memory with an external SD capable of 128MB. I hear it will be out Spring of 2014. Can't wait. lol
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Cool. Glad to see everyone enjoying the thread. My next phone will be a Samsung 3.2ghz octi-core phone/tablet/wallet that charges off of body heat. It will have an 25mp camera and 64GB of internal memory with an external SD capable of 128MB. I hear it will be out Spring of 2014. Can't wait. lol
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18" "phone" screen? lol.
Nice and another OT thread to watch.....
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Hope this works. Please everyone, let's make sure that while this is OT, the XDA rules still apply. This is and will be the ONLY Off-Topic thread started. All others will be closed and re-directed back here.
Keep it clean, but have some fun. OT threads are a great way to filter out rif-raf from the Q&A and Development sections/threads.
Enjoy :beer:
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Nice and another OT thread to watch.....
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LOL. Nice to have you both here. Might as well invite prbassplayer, oka1, and TRusselo over. My infractions list is the who's who of moderators. Sorry your not on that list Woody. Actually hope that you never have to be.
In all seriousness, though, hopefully you guys will be here just to have a good time chatting things up and not have to actually do any moderation. It's a slim chance but one that I'm hoping occurs.
getochkn said:
I like the Nexus for a cheap unlocked phone that works on Tmo-Wind networks, but hate that it has no SD card slot and only 16GB max. I don't have a ton of stuff on my SD card but I did have to go from a 16 to 32GB card a while ago just to keep enough music and other things I like on my phone on there.
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I recently switched over to the Nexus 4 and am loving it. The phone comes with free 50gb of cloud service, and they sent me an offer to give 50gb to a friend. You can store all of you music on there and just download when needed. I know it's nice to have everything on you sd card but you are never going to listen to that much music at once. Also I assume you have backups of all your music on your pc or elsewhere, but if your sd card crashes or explodes or breaks in half all your files are gone, a little safer on cloud service. I've never heard of anyone losing their files on a cloud server, not saying that it can't happen.
Anyways 16gb (12.92gb actual) is still a lot of room don't let that be your deterrent from purchasing the Nexus.
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My brain is stored in the cloud thanks to Google Drive.
I do hope they're not looking at my personal data.
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My brain is stored in the cloud thanks to Google Drive.
I do hope they're not looking at my personal data.
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They arent...just your porn collection.
Well since this got the axe from the Slimbeam Q&A thread I'll repost here. lol
NO ETA's but:
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Well since this got the axe from the Slimbeam Q&A thread I'll repost here. lol
NO ETA's but:
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lol i love aokp ...:/
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lol i love aokp ...:/
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Don't make me quote our gtalk. lol It took me months of begging, prodding, logging, begging and begging to get you to look into it. Where's GFX at?? He's an AOKP guy as well.
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They arent...just your porn collection.
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How did you know
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lol i love aokp ...:/
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me too. but i'm waiting for the good stuff. 4.2
sent from within the beast
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me too. but i'm waiting for the good stuff. 4.2
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LOL. Nice GFX. I think AOKP might still be waiting on 4.2 as well. lol
I am thinking about finally upgrading to the Droid Maxx, however, I do NOT want to be locked in for 2 years with a phone that Verizon is blocking Google Wallet on. I see that somebody has already gotten the phone rooted, which is awesome work, :good: but I was wondering if any of you have gotten Google Wallet to both install, and work and make purchases with the NFC on the Droid Ultra, or Maxx?
Thanks in advance for any info
bump on this!!
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bump on this!!
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Thanks for the bump, I'm glad I'm not the only one interested in this.
I got it to install, but haven't tried it out yet. Been a little on the lazy side lately lol
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I got it to install, but haven't tried it out yet. Been a little on the lazy side lately lol
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If you would please let us know how it works!
Both, does the app function normally when you open it, and secondly does it allow you to make purchases using the phone's NFC.
One quick note. I have a rooted Nexus 7 tablet, and for me the Google Wallet app says at the top "Unsupported device. Learn More", however it still works great and allows me to use the NFC on my Nexus 7. So if it does say that for you, please try it anyhow, because it will probably still work.
Thanks again for the info!
I have gotten it to install, and loaded my CC information onto wallet. I have yet to try it for an actual purchase. If I remember after I do I'll let you know. Problem is NFC registers are few and far between where I am, wish they would make more I have been using NFC in my CC for years now. People are like "what?" when I just plop my whole wallet on the reader and it mysteriously pays for my goods lol. Doing it with my phone for those who don't know will be that much better.
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I have gotten it to install, and loaded my CC information onto wallet. I have yet to try it for an actual purchase. If I remember after I do I'll let you know. Problem is NFC registers are few and far between where I am, wish they would make more I have been using NFC in my CC for years now. People are like "what?" when I just plop my whole wallet on the reader and it mysteriously pays for my goods lol. Doing it with my phone for those who don't know will be that much better.
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I don't know if this helps any, but where I live, the only places that have NFC is Rite Aid. Jack-In-The-Box HAD NFC for a VERY short time but they did such a bad job at implementing it, they failed and ripped them out
So around here Rite Aid is the only place who has it. Although I hear in other areas home depot might have it too.
Even if you don't make a purchase, you might try opening the app and try selecting a card. Just to see if it throws an error without having to go all the way to the store. If it works properly, when you look at the list of cards, the one you select should display a green checkmark and next to it, it will say "Selected card". Of course, I would still like to know if you can successfully make a purchase in the store as well, that would be the best test.
Google Wallet the app will work since Google recently updated it to work on any Android phone; however the NFC purchasing won't work and never will on basically any phone because Google's given up. Most new phones including the maxx lack a secure element so they aren't capable of storing or transmitting sensitive financial information. At this point it's a hardware issue in addition to Verizon's block. You can get a SIM card with a secure element instead but Verizon would only give you one if you're in an ISIS market.
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the NFC purchasing won't work ... Most new phones including the maxx lack a secure element so they aren't capable of storing or transmitting sensitive financial information.
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You know, you're probably right, however, I'd still like to be thorough and see what happens if people try it. Regarding the whole "secure element", I could care less if the dang thing had one. If my info is stored on my phone, BIG DEAL, if it gets stolen, I can just go on Android Device Manager and wipe it anyhow. I really wish they'd get over the whole secure element thing and make it only require NFC, like it SHOULD, or at least figure out a way to make it compatible with all phones. (Sorry, but I'm EXTREMELY burnt about how Verizon's been blocking us from using Google Wallet)
BTW, interesting fun-fact, the new Moto X phone, works with Google Wallet just fine, but only if you're on Sprint, or US Cellular. Verizon, as usual, wont allow it on their network because they don't want it to compete with their ISIS junk. :-\
Also, in case anybody's interested:
FAQ:
http://www.google.com/wallet/faq.html
Supported Devices (with Secure Elements):
https://support.google.com/wallet/answer/1347934?hl=en
and lastly:
http://phandroid.com/2013/09/19/google-wallet-nfc-payments-blocked
So, to recap, please let me know if any of you have tried it. I'd still like to know if maybe it'd work even without the secure element. :-\
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Google Wallet the app will work since Google recently updated it to work on any Android phone; however the NFC purchasing won't work and never will on basically any phone because Google's given up. Most new phones including the maxx lack a secure element so they aren't capable of storing or transmitting sensitive financial information. At this point it's a hardware issue in addition to Verizon's block. You can get a SIM card with a secure element instead but Verizon would only give you one if you're in an ISIS market.
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When I set up my ISIS wallet last night on my Maxx, it said something about programming the secure element and I got a text mess back when it was complete.
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When I set up my ISIS wallet last night on my Maxx, it said something about programming the secure element and I got a text mess back when it was complete.
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Would you mind seeing if Google Wallet will somehow utilize your "secure element" and allow you to use "tap to pay"?
If you open the Google Wallet app, at the top it should say something like "Change tap and pay settings". I believe on devices without secure elements, it just doesn't show that top card showing your balance and card, it just shows transactions and possibly the starting tips if you've never opened it.
I've included a picture of how it "SHOULD" look if it's working properly. This picture was taken from a Nexus 7 (not the new 2013 version, the old version)
Thanks!
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No, Google Wallet is not supported for payments on the Droid Maxx, only ISIS is. Here is a list of supported devices by Google Wallet. Here is a list of supported devices by ISIS.
try it please!
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No, Google Wallet is not supported for payments on the Droid Maxx, only ISIS is. Here is a list of supported devices by Google Wallet. Here is a list of supported devices by ISIS.
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well I know that, I even linked that same link already, but have YOU tried it?... :-\
For starters, it even says on that page that the Moto X for both sprint and US Cellular support it (on the google page). Now AKAIK, the Moto X is IDENTICAL to the Ultra/Maxx, other than screen size and storage space. I'm just asking if someone, somewhere will try installing Google Wallet, and just see if it works. See if it lets you select a card, and see if it lets you do that, see if it lets you "tap to pay" at something like a rite-ade or something. If somebody would just try that I would love to know if it would work.
Please somebody just take a minute and give it a shot :victory:
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well I know that, I even linked that same link already, but have YOU tried it?... :-\
For starters, it even says on that page that the Moto X for both sprint and US Cellular support it (on the google page). Now AKAIK, the Moto X is IDENTICAL to the Ultra/Maxx, other than screen size and storage space. I'm just asking if someone, somewhere will try installing Google Wallet, and just see if it works. See if it lets you select a card, and see if it lets you do that, see if it lets you "tap to pay" at something like a rite-ade or something. If somebody would just try that I would love to know if it would work.
Please somebody just take a minute and give it a shot :victory:
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No it doesn't work, that's why I set up ISIS with my AMEX card. Google wallet on Verizon devices is nothing more than a history of your purchases using Google Wallet.
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meadowsjared said:
well I know that, I even linked that same link already, but have YOU tried it?... :-\
For starters, it even says on that page that the Moto X for both sprint and US Cellular support it (on the google page). Now AKAIK, the Moto X is IDENTICAL to the Ultra/Maxx, other than screen size and storage space. I'm just asking if someone, somewhere will try installing Google Wallet, and just see if it works. See if it lets you select a card, and see if it lets you do that, see if it lets you "tap to pay" at something like a rite-ade or something. If somebody would just try that I would love to know if it would work.
Please somebody just take a minute and give it a shot :victory:
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Sorry, I misunderstood... :silly: I do have the app installed and it does not give me an option for payments.
There are numerous places where the SE can be located. Google Wallet only supports a SE on the NFC chip itself. Verizon is requiring all phones with NFC to only allow SE on the SIM so that 1) they can control it and 2) it's easily replaceable if you bork it (as I did on my GNex along with so many other people).
Isis, being designed by Verizon, AT&T, and T-Mobile, is likely going to be the only app allowed access to the SE on the SIM.
In other words, Google Wallet for making payments at supported terminals will not work on any new devices through Verizon.
ISIS wouldnt be bad if it supported more than 1 chase credit card and 1 american express card. Bull Junk !!!
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ISIS wouldnt be bad if it supported more than 1 chase credit card and 1 american express card. Bull Junk !!!
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Yep, I just found that out today, here, check this out...
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.isis.mclient.verizon.activity
Have you ever seen THAT many 1 star ratings?!? I don't ever think I've seen an app with that bad of a rating LOL!
On another note, I think my best bet for getting wallet working on the Maxx is something like this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2044362
with a little bit of this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=45598648
Now I'm not saying you all should go and install that by any means, in fact, here's my disclaimer:
It is officially not my fault if you break your phone by installing the above app!
Ok, now that that's over....
I've got a friend with an S3, and he installed the above Google Wallet app from xda, and it works great on his phone, however the thread even says that it's specifically FOR the S3, but I think I'm going to order me a Droid Maxx and test it for myself, either that or I'm going to try and find a way to make it work with the Maxx, one way or another!.
(Yes, I'm sorry, I know I'm very stubborn, my wife tells me that all the time! :silly
meadowsjared said:
Yep, I just found that out today, here, check this out...
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.isis.mclient.verizon.activity
Have you ever seen THAT many 1 star ratings?!? I don't ever think I've seen an app with that bad of a rating LOL!
On another note, I think my best bet for getting wallet working on the Maxx is something like this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2044362
with a little bit of this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=45598648
Now I'm not saying you all should go and install that by any means, in fact, here's my disclaimer:
It is officially not my fault if you break your phone by installing the above app!
Ok, now that that's over....
I've got a friend with an S3, and he installed the above Google Wallet app from xda, and it works great on his phone, however the thread even says that it's specifically FOR the S3, but I think I'm going to order me a Droid Maxx and test it for myself, either that or I'm going to try and find a way to make it work with the Maxx, one way or another!.
(Yes, I'm sorry, I know I'm very stubborn, my wife tells me that all the time! :silly
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I would recommend the wallet installer I'm pretty sure it installs some missing liberarys but that would be Samsung libs but I could be wrong on that. I've done a lot of research on this and posted my finding in the form "The Google Wallet Project". I haven't gotten anything new in a while. And then there is still debate about if we even have a secure element. My vote is we do and Verizon has it disabled via soft ware. In the kernal if I had to guess. It just make sense for Motorola to physically modify the hardware. Samsung doesn't for the Galaxy's that why wallet can be enabled. So right now I'm working on getting a Dev edition maxx. When I score one I will flash the sprint moto x fxz file theoretically if there is a SE the sprint IMG should free it as sprint allows gwallet so if that work then there will at least be hope for unlocked devices
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Looks like KitKat might bring Tap and Pay to our Google Wallet.
Improved NFC Payment Support: Host Card Emulation
Yesterday, we mentioned that NFC payment functionality would be extended to devices without NFC Secure Elements. Now, we know how this is possible. Android 4.4 introduces support for Host Card Emulation, whereby standard NFC hardware can emulate ISO/IEC 7816-based smart cards that use the contactless ISO/IEC 14443-4 (ISO-DEP) protocol for transmission. This then makes any device with NFC hardware capable of using the tap-to-pay functionality. That said, not every device will have support. And currently, it looks like only devices with US SIM cards are eligible.
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AOSP Oreo Project for Fire HD 10 (2017)
DESCRIPTION:
This is a project to compile an Oreo ROM for Fire HD 10 2017 (Suez) from scratch, using stock Google sources for 8.1.0_r23. Now that my project for compiling Safestrap had been put on halt, I'm thinking about compiling this to be compatible with FlashFire.
PURPOSE OF THIS THREAD:
I know that placeholder threads are not allowed on XDA. So, this thread is open for suggestions by everyone! But, if a lot of people want LineageOS instead of AOSP, tell me immediately, because it will be impossible to change after a few days. I chose AOSP because it is fresh, and got latest sources. :yum:
TESTING:
Please take into account that I don't own this device, so please excuse for any delays that may happen.
SOURCES:
https://github.com/LoneFlux/android_device_amazon_suez
Thank you, and I hope that we'll be able to run fresh Oreo cool on this little (not really) tablet!
I thought that the locked bootloader meant that it was only possible to have a Lollipop based ROM for this device?
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I thought that the locked bootloader meant that it was only possible to have a Lollipop based ROM for this device?
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Um, I've seen other Lollipop devices with more than Lollipop? Really, I've got to research a bit.
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Um, I've seen other Lollipop devices with more than Lollipop? Really, I've got to research a bit.
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I don't know enough about it to be sure, but based on comments on the Amazon Fire 7 forum: https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=64804381&postcount=7 and the fact that all custom ROMS for the Fire 7 are Lollipop based I assumed this was the case. I do have an old Kindle Fire HD 7 (Amazon Tate) with a Nougat based ROM, but this requires an unlocked secondary bootloader which is flashed before the ROM. Why something similar can't be done for newer Amazon devices is above my pay grade, but I know these already have locked secondary bootloaders preinstalled.
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I don't know enough about it to be sure, but based on comments on the Amazon Fire 7 forum: https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=64804381&postcount=7 and the fact that all custom ROMS for the Fire 7 are Lollipop based I assumed this was the case. I do have an old Kindle Fire HD 7 (Amazon Tate) with a Nougat based ROM, but this requires an unlocked secondary bootloader which is flashed before the ROM. Why this
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Looks like you are right. Poor LoneFlux...
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I thought that the locked bootloader meant that it was only possible to have a Lollipop based ROM for this device?
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If that is what it takes, let that be. I'm not gonna back up, definitely not now.
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Looks like you are right. Poor LoneFlux...
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Really, I'm not going to kneel in front of Amazon because of this. I'm getting the keys, one way or the other.
For me personally I wouldn't even care if it was AOSP or LineageOS, all we really need would be a clean OS near to stock, maybe rooted and safetyNet passing and everything would be fine.
But please, don't wake false expectations or hope...don't get me wrong, I would really be grateful to use the tablet with a nice OS like AOSP or lineage, but I surely was disappointed when I opened the thread...
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For me personally I wouldn't even care if it was AOSP or LineageOS, all we really need would be a clean OS near to stock, maybe rooted and safetyNet passing and everything would be fine.
But please, don't wake false expectations or hope...don't get me wrong, I would really be grateful to use the tablet with a nice OS like AOSP or lineage, but I surely was disappointed when I opened the thread...
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Wow, sorry about that! @diplomatic can you please shed some light on whether it's possible to install an 8.1 system without touching the boot? If it doesn't, I'm going to compile a Lollipop ROM for now, you will not regret flashing it, anything is better than the bloated so-called "FireOS"
Well, I've never ported a ROM myself, so keep that in mind. IMO, you should first try to build a Lollipop ROM, at least as a stepping stone to a more recent version. Because it's kind of a nightmare trying to port binaries from the stock FW to a different version of Android. I'm not sure if it's possible to keep the stock boot image. Every ROM build produces its own boot image that includes a ramdisk. I guess it's possible in theory with some hacks. But you really have to know what's going on.
Oh, and I would really really recommend for LoneFlux to get his own Fire HD for this project. I don't really know how this is possible to do remotely. This will require some intense experimentation, testing and reverse engineering to get done. It's an uphill battle to say the least...
I have hope!
I am currently working on a 2017 Fire HD 10. What I find horrible about amazon products like this is that they really don't want the user to be able to get away from amazon crap. Netflix cannot be used on this device unless you go through amazon stuff. Even though technically speaking the regular app is available through side-loaded google play, it will still not install through google play because of a amazon app that checks for side-loaded apps like netflix. Vimeo is another app that will not work. Several games that are also available from amazon for a fee but also available on Google play is also blocked.
So, this particular tablet came from ebay. The seller refuses to spend any time de-registering it from amazon(which would literally take less than 5 minutes) so it dooms me to not being able to get full functionality from Amazon because you cannot re-register a fire if there is a current registered user. Great stuff, really. The anti-theft systems do serve a purpose and I understand that, but come on. This is a prime example of being taken advantage of. The seller is not being reasonable, bad rating, but it does nothing really. So I am stuck with a tablet that is useless for about 20% of the things that I want to do with it.
I have rooted it, and uninstalled a lot of the bloatware on it. Then I side-loaded several sdk files from google to get their services working...and they do work well. I would really love to see a Android OS come out for this that has nothing to do with Amazon.
If you want to root, there is a good thread here at xda that will give you about 18 steps(pretty easy though) to root.
Side-loading google services is really easy too, just google it.
To any who read this put the word out, that we want to see a real version of oreo or nougat come out for this thing...and if you know of one then please post links.
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I have a rooted Fire HD10 on 5.6.0.1, and it really is a great tablet, the OS however is not.. I'm following the amazing work you guys are doing, and I have high hopes for the project!
Wdobbins said:
I am currently working on a 2017 Fire HD 10. What I find horrible about amazon products like this is that they really don't want the user to be able to get away from amazon crap.
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Excuse me, but that was clear for the last several generations. These Amazon Fire products are the most locked down things ever. It's pretty obvious Amazon has been doing everything in its power to keep you from unlocking them. That's because their revenue directly depends on them being locked down. You can be sure that they're not making much if any profit on the hardware. This tablet for example, is just a gateway to everything Amazon: shopping, movies, books, etc. I mean, the HD10 is priced at $110 on sale. A similar tablet, the Asus Z301MF, with the same chip, resolution and so on, is $220. If Amazon was interested in selling you just another Android tablet, you can bet it would be in the latter price range. So I don't get why people who care at all about modding their Android device keep buying these stupid things and rewarding companies for locking down devices. Same deal as discounted smartphones that are tied to your phone carrier. No profit is made on the handset itself. You should know what you're getting into beforehand.
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Excuse me, but that was clear for the last several generations. These Amazon Fire products are the most locked down things ever. It's pretty obvious Amazon has been doing everything in its power to keep you from unlocking them. That's because their revenue directly depends on them being locked down. You can be sure that they're not making much if any profit on the hardware. This tablet for example, is just a gateway to everything Amazon: shopping, movies, books, etc. I mean, the HD10 is priced at $110 on sale. A similar tablet, the Asus Z301MF, with the same chip, resolution and so on, is $220. If Amazon was interested in selling you just another Android tablet, you can bet it would be in the latter price range. So I don't get why people who care at all about modding their Android device keep buying these stupid things and rewarding companies for locking down devices. Same deal as discounted smartphones that are tied to your phone carrier. No profit is made on the handset itself. You should know what you're getting into beforehand.
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The exact reason we know that they are never going to release a BL unlock.
Anyway, I received this as a gift. I knew about FireOS (and I hoped to put stock Android on it, and I was surely shocked to see that there's not at least root, I knew about root because I rooted my good old SM-G360H with Kingoroot, just to remove the preloaded 'Internet' app and use Chrome as a system app.) and to be honest, I was just an another one like 99.9% of device owners, knowing nothing about these modding things then, that's before 5 months, in December 2017. I agree with what you said, but, more than the joy of a modded device, I appreciate the excellent learning path provided by these devices. I didn't knew about ADB at all when I received this, now I can compile a custom ROM from scratch.
Summarizing, if it weren't for the bloated FireOS and my locked-down Amazon Fire HD 8, I'd still recognize ADB as a misarranged collection of weird letters.
Excuses Excuses.
I did not purchase this, a friend did. I am simply trying to get it to function correctly. A long story short. This tablet is on the black list at Amazon because it was not properly de-registered before it was sold. My friend who bought it did not know this, and was having issues getting anything to work because everything is tied to the amazon subscription services. He sent it to me, I immediately called Amazon and was told it was black listed(meaning it was never going to be able to be registered to a new user until the old user removed it from their list of registered devices). My friend has been attempting to get in touch with the ebay seller who sold it, and has had no luck. It is after the 14 day satisfaction guarantee which ebay seems to want to enforce even though the auction where my friend purchased this said specifically that the tablet was 100% working and Amazon ready.
So I side-loaded google services and play store which allows the tablet to do most everything, but NETFLIX and a few other apps are not usable at all(says they are not compatible) because Amazon requires these apps be downloaded through them, even though fundamentally the apps are the same.
So, this is the story of what led me to look into a custom rom. Anything new enough to run Netflix and be compatible with this tablet would be good enough, but no one has one because of the trouble with the loader. I have yet to see anyone post anything about Fire HD 10(2017) being capable of running a normal Android OS.
ADB is nice, it will let you get rid a quite a few amazon tied apps, but no matter what you do, you are still tied to them and if you cannot register then you will not have full functionality because some things just won't work through Google Play.
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...but NETFLIX and a few other apps are not usable at all(says they are not compatible) because Amazon requires these apps be downloaded through them, even though fundamentally the apps are the same.
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I didn't know about the Netflix block. Why isn't sideloading Netflix APK work?
Supersonic27543 said:
I didn't know about the Netflix block. Why isn't sideloading Netflix APK work?
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You don't even have to sideload it. Just download app in browser and install it with package manager
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You don't even have to sideload it. Just download app in browser and install it with package manager
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Either way. But it looks like the FireOS blocks Netflix from opening.
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Either way. But it looks like the FireOS blocks Netflix from opening.
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I am using Netflix every day. Never had an issue.
Netflix and Fire HD 10
I am uncertain. Let me explain quickly what it is that I believe is wrong.
I do not have the ability to download anything because of it being blacklisted as I mentioned before unless I download it through google play. I am assuming side loading it is the same as using google play? Because I cannot find the app on the net that does not bring it through the play store...or amazon.
If you know differently please explain.
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If I were to get my hands on one, would I be able to put GAPPS on it?
Serious question... Can't live with a phone without GAPPS.
Any serious thoughts about this?
IMO xiaomi.eu will probably have a ROM for this phone and it will include everything you need.
xchatter said:
IMO xiaomi.eu will probably have a ROM for this phone and it will include everything you need.
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Thank you for responding. Nothing listed there yet (although, my account registration was considered spam, so I cannot see more than then the basics and cannot interact yet on that site). Is it generally the case that a new Xiaomi phone gets an EU rom even if it is not sold to their market? It is so tempting, to go the xiaomi route, I wish the oneplus 8Tpro was out right now, as I am in the market for a phone in the next two weeks ... not in October. Not sure if I could stomach having an outdated phone after a month or so... Generally, it is nice to have new tech be top shelf for at least a few months, right?
Hmmm - Food for thought.
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Thank you for responding. Nothing listed there yet (although, my account registration was considered spam, so I cannot see more than then the basics and cannot interact yet on that site). Is it generally the case that a new Xiaomi phone gets an EU rom even if it is not sold to their market? It is so tempting, to go the xiaomi route, I wish the oneplus 8Tpro was out right now, as I am in the market for a phone in the next two weeks ... not in October. Not sure if I could stomach having an outdated phone after a month or so... Generally, it is nice to have new tech be top shelf for at least a few months, right?
Hmmm - Food for thought.
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Just get whatever you like.
Phones won't stop coming out. Till the end of the year there will be new Huawei, new Pixel, new OnePlus, probably new Oppo.... and then the circle starts all over again.
s327374 said:
If I were to get my hands on one, would I be able to put GAPPS on it?
Serious question... Can't live with a phone without GAPPS.
Any serious thoughts about this?
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This is how I have done it on Mi 9 Transparent Edition. Don't see why it wont be the same.
https://itigic.com/install-play-store-on-xiaomi-phones-miui-10-11/
Yes, it seems that gaps is easily placed on the device. Source:
Thank you for the response.
And while it would be great to have the best camera... I probably need to buy the oneplus 8 pro. I've gone a long time without active Google assistant, closed bootloader, and (as a non Mandarin user) the annoyance of Chinese menus/ecosystem within an 'English' setting. Also, been without an active community of English using Android users for some time with this Huawei I'm using.
Want to grab a phone next week... And Xiaomi looks like it is using that impossibly annoying hungry marketing technique where the sell a very limited number of phones at a certain time each day. I got 'lucky' buying my Samsung 8 with that type of annoying system on the first day or two, but..... So annoying when you're a bit slow at Chinese and you're actually competing to buy a product. So... Actually... Competing to spend money seems odd too.
Ok. One plus is well over a thousand RMB cheaper where I am too. Lastly, Think I'll enjoy the software experience more and hopefully won't notice the camera too much. Hoping that the October release of 8t Pro will not be too much of a massive upgrade and have me annoyed either
To those who grab the Xiaomi ten Ultra. Enjoy and hope to read some reviews soon.
s327374 said:
Yes, it seems that gaps is easily placed on the device. Source:
Thank you for the response.
And while it would be great to have the best camera... I probably need to buy the oneplus 8 pro. I've gone a long time without active Google assistant, closed bootloader, and (as a non Mandarin user) the annoyance of Chinese menus/ecosystem within an 'English' setting. Also, been without an active community of English using Android users for some time with this Huawei I'm using.
Want to grab a phone next week... And Xiaomi looks like it is using that impossibly annoying hungry marketing technique where the sell a very limited number of phones at a certain time each day. I got 'lucky' buying my Samsung 8 with that type of annoying system on the first day or two, but..... So annoying when you're a bit slow at Chinese and you're actually competing to buy a product. So... Actually... Competing to spend money seems odd too.
Ok. One plus is well over a thousand RMB cheaper where I am too. Lastly, Think I'll enjoy the software experience more and hopefully won't notice the camera too much. Hoping that the October release of 8t Pro will not be too much of a massive upgrade and have me annoyed either
To those who grab the Xiaomi ten Ultra. Enjoy and hope to read some reviews soon.
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Just to give you a heads up -> Xiaomi has a very large and active English community. All phones are easily unlocked and the community have been doing a great job to provide debloated English roms no matter if you buy a Chinese or global variant.
OP 8 Pro is a great device too.
xchatter said:
Just to give you a heads up -> Xiaomi has a very large and active English community. All phones are easily unlocked and the community have been doing a great job to provide debloated English roms no matter if you buy a Chinese or global variant.
OP 8 Pro is a great device too.
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Thank you for your reply. I have always enjoyed tinkering with Xiaomi products and ROMS. I have also often assisted non-tech interested colleagues to put GAPPs on or re-Rom to global over the years I have lived in China. Although it did get a little challenging for a period of a year not too long ago. I actually really love what they do ... and funnily I can see about half a dozen Xiaomi smart devices in the room I am typing from at home right now. Man, I love their door lock!!!! Ha.
I was really going to wait until 21 August 10 am and try to pick one up, then if not, get the Oneplus... but decided against it. A few reasons. I just realised that even if I picked up the way more expensive Samsung Ultra, I am missing out on some Google aspects that I crave and have craved for many years (see my phone history in sig). Even the Global ROMs (no guarantee one will appear for this China-only variant) have trouble using Hey Google natively in my experience - (could be wrong on that one)
Even so, have gone with the Oneplus pro purchase just now and that phone will arrive tomorrow. Would have arrived tonight if I had ordered 10 minutes earlier. lol - nothing like Chinese delivery systems I suppose. Or at least compared to Aus.
Another couple of things did sway me. Xiaomi phones are great but they honestly do sometimes go overboard with their claims. I can't be sure about this device's battery life longevity. Especially considering their claims of 23 minutes for full charge look to be false ( I know still the quickest). I remember their camera claim for 108 Megapixel etc fell short of being a top-line camera despite the hype. Often seem to use an angle that disguises a hidden flaw. Anyway, This understanding, combined with my full google assistant want, means I will miss out on it. Maybe when my wife updates her phone and they are more readily available (seriously, trying to compete with a billion people to purchase an online product when you're hampered by language constraints suck), I can switch her to this 10 Ultra (she takes waaaay better photos than me anyway).
Until then, Look forward to reading more about people's 10 Ultra as time goes by. Seems this is my last post in this forum thread ofor the Ultra for now.
Cheers!
Graphene battery is surely the future.
You can install the Play Store from the built in Mi App Store, then install all the Google apps you want from there.
Worth it. Best phone
I came from note 20 ultra and let me tell you this is much more comfortable in hands. Playstore is just one download away from having everything. I'm alsomuch happier using this phone tbh and manage to get back 500usd.
I got the Ultra yesterday, i can see that most Google stuffs work and i can set them up, no issues with location.
BUT here's what's not working:
1. Google Backup and Restore, stuck at waiting for backup.
2. Google Location History, i saw the option yesterday in settings, but it was greyed out, somehow after a reboot, the option disappear. Can't turn it on no matter where i try it from.
I am having am SOT of 5h 10m with about 20% power left.
Anyone else got the Mi 10 Ultra, got Google Location History working?
Mine the option is missing in Settings, and it's disabled or permanently off in Google account / maps.
Permanently off:
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
Option missing:
Just want to be sure it's not my ROM issue, lazy to reset and wipe cache to try again.
I've seen it talked about before on chinese roms and even Xiaomi devices,. I don't use it myself so unsure of a fix sorry but I did check my phone and it's exactly the same as yours looks
Sorry to hijack this thread. I just bought the mi 10 ultra. I installed playstore and all Google apps. But I realized that playstore is asking me to pay for apps I had previously purchased, even though I used the same account to log in. Anybody encountered this or know the solution?
Honestly start the unlock process and think about moving to xiaomi.eu
I didn't have that problem but a few Google things didn't work on stock. That's a really common issue though, I'd recommend googling it and trying what comes up, it's an extremely common issue with Google play services
phibersg said:
Anyone else got the Mi 10 Ultra, got Google Location History working?
Mine the option is missing in Settings, and it's disabled or permanently off in Google account / maps.
Permanently off:
Option missing:
Just want to be sure it's not my ROM issue, lazy to reset and wipe cache to try again.
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Works just fine on EU ROM, see screenshot attached from today.
Sathelp said:
Works just fine on EU ROM, see screenshot attached from today.
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Yes of course it'll work on EU ROM, my problem is with the stock rom.
I do not want to risk SafetyNet and Widevine L1 by unlocking..
Why would you unlock the phone then if you are staying on the stock Chinese ROM? If you're not going to flash, then don't unlock.
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Yes of course it'll work on EU ROM, my problem is with the stock rom.
I do not want to risk SafetyNet and Widevine L1 by unlocking..
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Widevine is level L1 on the .EU rom - so you're fine there. As for SafetyNet: all banking apps, government authorization apps and such work just fine on the unlocked - but NOT rooted - .EU rom.
So I don't see the problem.