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Hello,
Now that Froyo more or less came out and apps will start having Apps2SD function, it's time for a MicroSD upgrade.
What I want is on-phone performance - that running heavy 3D games on SD would perform as smoothly as if it was on internal memory. Is there a general consensus on what brand/class would suffice, and what is overkill? I have no concern over data cable transfer speed, as I'm pretty sure the phone will limit the speed much before the SD card does.
I'm looking at this Sandisk 16gb MicroSDHC Class 2 for $35 after shipping:
http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Flash...ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=pc&qid=1275145563&sr=1-1
Anyone know if this would suffice?
Past threads have always went on tangents about good brand vs knock offs, how class is important vs. a marketing ploy, etc etc. Has a general consensus been reached in the xda community over what is sufficient but not overkill for onboard performance? Perhaps people who have already ran App2SD and use games and videos a lot have some input.
Thanks
I have a Top Ram 16 Gig class 6 and I think I paid about the same as you looking to pay for a class2. I also have a class2 that I have had for over a year. I used to use it in my blackberry. It still works and it is made by one of the cheap manufacturers.
Argh, I'm suffering from chronic SD corruption. So I'm in the market for a new chip. Think I'll spring for a 32gb this time. What's the latest on one that's both compatible and fast? And cheap too, that would be nice, links appreciated.
Considering that due to the amount of RAM the N1 has your main apps will be loaded already so card speed is not a significant factor, unless you use lots of different apps on a regular basis.
A faster card is beneficial mostly for the time i takes when I am loading up new music and possibly vids if you use it for that
This is the first 32gb MicroSD card I have seen "In Stock" Pretty expensive for a class 2 though.
http://www.buy.com/prod/sandisk-sds...crosdhc-32-gb-retail/q/loc/101/215191110.html
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Im not sure the nexus 1 can handle a 32GB card , wow that's a lot lol, but you can get one for like $30 on ebay... http://bit.ly/9J7u2S
You can get a 16gb class 10 for about $90.00.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0036V5DGG...e=asn&creative=380341&creativeASIN=B0036V5DGG
frankzua77 said:
Im not sure the nexus 1 can handle a 32GB card , wow that's a lot lol, but you can get one for like $30 on ebay... http://bit.ly/9J7u2S
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Micro SDHC is a standard that supports up to 32gb. Of course it can handle it just fine.
I run a 16gb Class 6 in mine, works fine
bewar ebay, there a lot of folks selling fake cards. They even read as what they were sold as but then fill up mighty quick............
The class is not needed I don't think
I have a class six and have been running games on it from sd for 3 months cant tell a bit of difference. I run linpack from sd and it works fine too!
the only real 32gb card is found here., http://www.sandisk.com/products/mobile-memory-products/sandisk-microsdhc
frankzua77 said:
Im not sure the nexus 1 can handle a 32GB card , wow that's a lot lol, but you can get one for like $30 on ebay... http://bit.ly/9J7u2S
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no f-ing way that is real for $30
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Micro SDHC is a standard that supports up to 32gb. Of course it can handle it just fine.
I run a 16gb Class 6 in mine, works fine
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I'm running a 32gb Sandisk Class 2 in my Nexus as of last Friday. No problems (apart from a looooong time to refresh the media library after resyncing my music).
You can not get a genuine 32GB Micro SD card for US$40.
A good class 2 card (2MB/s) will offer you the same performance as any other class in your phone.
The limitation is not the speed of the card.
Buy a brand name card with the capacity you require and be done with the complexity.
djmcnz said:
You can not get a genuine 32GB Micro SD card for US$40.
A good class 2 card (2MB/s) will offer you the same performance as any other class in your phone.
The limitation is not the speed of the card.
Buy a brand name card with the capacity you require and be done with the complexity.
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I don't know too much about transfer rates but basically what you're saying is that a a brand name class 2 card will be just as good as say a class 6? I'm in the market for a new SD card as well, and the class 6 cards are much more expensive. I'm wondering if they're worth it.
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I don't know too much about transfer rates but basically what you're saying is that a a brand name class 2 card will be just as good as say a class 6? I'm in the market for a new SD card as well, and the class 6 cards are much more expensive. I'm wondering if they're worth it.
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No, in a phone they're not worth it at all and people who say so are either selling snake oil or are embarrassed because they've paid for one and are foolish for doing so.
The best I can do just at the moment is this:
wikipedia said:
In applications that require sustained write throughput, such as video recording, the device may not perform satisfactorily if the SD card's class rating falls below a particular speed. For example, a camcorder that is designed to record to class 6 media may suffer dropouts or corrupted video on slower media.
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The Nexus, like probably every other phone out there, is a) not typically used for high rate sustained write activities and b) is designed to write to class 2 media to begin with.
If you have a large, highly fragmented sd card higher speeds will help. This of course is easy to avoid in the first place.
Get a higher capacity, class 2, brand name card for the same money and you're away laughing.
NB - If somebody waves a magic wand and all of a sudden the Nexus can record video at 1080p at a high enough bitrate then perhaps my advice would be invalidated... but don't hold your breath for that to happen...
djmcnz said:
No, in a phone they're not worth it at all and people who say so are either selling snake oil or are embarrassed because they've paid for one and are foolish for doing so.
The best I can do just at the moment is this:
The Nexus, like probably every other phone out there, is a) not typically used for high rate sustained write activities and b) is designed to write to class 2 media to begin with.
If you have a large, highly fragmented sd card higher speeds will help. This of course is easy to avoid in the first place.
Get a higher capacity, class 2, brand name card for the same money and you're away laughing.
NB - If somebody waves a magic want and all of a sudden the Nexus can record video at 1080p at a high enough bitrate then perhaps my advice would be invalidated... but don't hold your breath for that to happen...
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Thanks for the info man! I was obviously misinformed, you just saved me a bunch of money
so just curious. now that CM 5.0.8 comes with 720p recording, would a class 2 still suffice?
I am also searching the web recently to look for a cost-effective high vol microSD. My finding is: don't 100% trust the "class" specified by mfr. I used ATTO Disk Benchmark to test two 8G microSD that I have: Transcend 8G Class 6 and Sandisk 8G Class 4.
<Transcend Class6> Write: 6-10MB/s Read: 16MB/s
<Sandisk Class 4> Write: 14MB/s Read: 20MB/s
From similar test results on the web, it seems that Sandisk uses to under-state the performance of their card. Finally I get a Sandisk 16G Class 2 for my N1, and here is the test result with the same setting:
<Sandisk 16G Class2> Write: 7MB/s Read: 20MB/s
Although Sandisk only specifies it as class 2, it actually performs like a class 6.
I suspect the importance of the speed of the SD card too, coz I think the write speed into ROM, should be way slower than 6-7MB/s (correct me if I am wrong ^_^)... If the speed of v2.1 w/o app2sd is acceptable to you, then v2.2 with 6-7M write speed card should be logically fine with you.
fshek said:
I am also searching the web recently to look for a cost-effective high vol microSD. My finding is: don't 100% trust the "class" specified by mfr. I used ATTO Disk Benchmark to test two 8G microSD that I have: Transcend 8G Class 6 and Sandisk 8G Class 4.
<Transcend Class6> Write: 6-10MB/s Read: 16MB/s
<Sandisk Class 4> Write: 14MB/s Read: 20MB/s
From similar test results on the web, it seems that Sandisk uses to under-state the performance of their card. Finally I get a Sandisk 16G Class 2 for my N1, and here is the test result with the same setting:
<Sandisk 16G Class2> Write: 7MB/s Read: 20MB/s
Although Sandisk only specifies it as class 2, it actually performs like a class 6.
I suspect the importance of the speed of the SD card too, coz I think the write speed into ROM, should be way slower than 6-7MB/s (correct me if I am wrong ^_^)...
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huh that's interesting. i just might pick that up from amazon then..
I Dont think fragmentation makes any difference to write speed, these are not mechanical devices like hard disks.
Also defragging is pointless and shortens the life of the card by increasing the number of writes.
My local retailer already has stocks for the 32GB Sandisk MicroSD Class 2 card, I know sandisk under rates their cards but Im wondering if anyone has this specific microSD card can tell me how fast it read/writes if its inside the phone..
If possible post some benchmark numbers and the name of the benchmark, no actual screenshot needed, I just want a basis of comparison so my current 16GB class6 Team brand. I really need the space more than the speed though.
Haven't checked the speeds, but I can watch 720p video from my Sandisk Class 2 card, can't think of a use-case scenario where you need to read quicker than that. If you're writing large quantities of data to the phone very often the write speed may be an issue, but I suspect many people are like me and the only time they do that is when they first load their music collection onto the card.
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Haven't checked the speeds, but I can watch 720p video from my Sandisk Class 2 card, can't think of a use-case scenario where you need to read quicker than that. If you're writing large quantities of data to the phone very often the write speed may be an issue, but I suspect many people are like me and the only time they do that is when they first load their music collection onto the card.
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Yeah, first load of music/movies into the card.
Please also remember that there is no standard way of measuring MicroSD speeds at the moment and the present system only really relates to the write speed. For playing content they will all be the same it is when recording HD video that the faster cards come into their own. I have also heard that all class 2 are actually class 4.
I just got the card now and the read speeds as tested by crystal disk is twice as fast as my Class 6 16GB the write speed is only slower at sequential w/c is 4.6MB compared to the 5.xx mb that my class 6 did but all the other write speeds are more than 2x faster!
$88 well spent!!
Yes its still $88 here and its the cheapest you can get!
For more information refer this link.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MicroSD
Been looking around for which microsd card to replace my venue pro one with. definitely want a 32gb one. Pulled up a few, are a lot of people having problems with the class 4 cards? Should I stick with a class 2, even though the 4 is about the same price, or cheaper? Here are the few I found, all around $80. Price doesn't matter, just want the one that will work the best.
http://www.buy.com/prod/sandisk-sds...rd/q/sellerid/20451128/loc/101/219031154.html
http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-MicroSDHC-SDSDQ-032G-A11M-Retail-Package/dp/B003OA8T92/ref=pd_cp_e_1
http://www.buy.com/prod/sandisk32-g...icrosdhc-1-card-pack/q/loc/101/217020006.html (same card as above)
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004G60AD6/ref=olp_product_details?ie=UTF8&me=&seller=
I'm 100% sure someone had posted the 32GB MicroSD card S/N they use. I don't remember which post it was, it is somewhere in the Venue Pro General form.
I think class 6 should work. Max Miller at ZDNet has posted a blog about how he swapped a troublesome dvp's 8gb card with 32gb n the dvp is working like a charm after that. It has a video aswell.
Sent from my Venue Pro using Board Express
Whats the largest SD card Windows mobile 7 can handle, and if it's less than 128 will it be able to recognize "partitioned" SD cards?
I use a sandisk 32g class 2 and it works fine. Did find a lot of class 4 of same price but skipped as I only saw that class 2 works from posts online.
And from a random (not sure if reliable though) article online, it says WP7's file system depends on random I/O seek time (or alike) which is a different dimension from class, which gauge the continuous transfer speed.
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I use a sandisk 32g class 2 and it works fine. Did find a lot of class 4 of same price but skipped as I only saw that class 2 works from posts online.
And from a random (not sure if reliable though) article online, it says WP7's file system depends on random I/O seek time (or alike) which is a different dimension from class, which gauge the continuous transfer speed.
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Why would a slower class work better than a faster class of SD? Class ten is the fastest your able to buy.
If I can buy a class 10 32gb would it work?
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Produc...61411-L06D&AID=10657534&PID=749547&SID=forums
I swapped my 8GB class 4 that came with the device to a 32 GB SanDisk class 4. I do notice slower write speeds - 720p video in particular seems to have a lag when capturing. Other than that, the phone is zippy fast.
I bought a Dell Venue Pro (normally hate Dell and don't give them the time of day) and from what i've been reading i'm going to be stuck with a class 2 or 4 (32gb) MicroSD card. And to narrow it down even further supposedly the ones that work best with these phones are sandisk.
So my questions are this. Will I actually be able to use a class 10 microsd card or is it a limitation of the physical phone. I mean windows is capable of 32gb and probably more.
If it isn't able to use class 10 right now will there be a firmware update for the phone that will allow it.
What would happen if i bought a kingston or patriot over sandisk (as i've always considered them the bottom of the pile)
I've been using a 32gb sandisk (class 2) for a couple days now and it's awesome. Despite being class 2, it's way faster than the crappy class 4 that came with the phone.
Random r/w speed is the most important thing to worry about with WP7 devices. Class rating does not say anything at all about random r/w speed, just about the maximum throughput. In fact, there is often a NEGATIVE correlation between class rating and random r/w speed - the higher the class, the lower random r/w.
So that's why class 2, 4, or 6 cards seem to be the best.
so could anyone give me a link of the best 32 gb sd card I can use for my DVP that would be awesome.
the one that came with my phone is starting to fail (constantly getting the black screen with memory card problem and asking me to change cards and reset)
another question
let's say something happens with my phone and I need to send it back for warranty repair, could I possibly switch out the sd card back to the original one, reset and be ok?
So does this phone have a SD card that is expandable? I just got the phone a week ago and thought it was built in and couldn't be changed.
I've been looking at this... (Class 4)
http://www.scorptec.com.au/computer/40130-arsdmcl4-32gb
I have no idea who A-RAM are... but its being sold at a real computer store not ebay so its gotta be legit?
Or I could get this... (Class 10)
http://www.scorptec.com.au/computer/40129-arsdmcl10-16gb
But I think I rather the space.
Another quick question, how do I rate my current (8GB) SD card and find out what class it is?
Er, a bump...?
Personally never heard of A-ram but that doesn't mean it's necessarily inferior, why not ask the retailer to provide some benchmark figures for you?. Personally I'd buy the fastest, not biggest card you can afford so would go for the class 10 16gb one.
Try sd tools from the market to bench your current card.
I used to work at PCCaseGear, whho also sold A-Ram, never heard of it before, but the 16Gb Micro SDHC i got performs as fast in a disk test as the nokia 8Gb that came in my N8 before i jumped ship to android. hasn't died yet...
I've used A-Ram before...
Never had a problem with it.
With memory cards I find myself a bit suspicious (bought one a wierd branded mem card for my PSPS and it busted with all my saves...)
Personally I would go for Kingston, Sandisk etc... They also have almost always a 5-year-warranty. I actually just ordered a 32gb Kingston Class 4 couple of days ago.
With phones I would go for size rather than speed. I would get class 10 for a good full hd vidcam or system camera, but not for a phone.
size and speed help, my 32 Gb has a pretty slow write time, which kinda sucks when copying new roms or tunes over. almost considering going back to the smaller but faster a-ram 16gb, solely for write speed.
Ive been using one I picked up from a shop in Aus, a year old now and still runs but some files do go missing... going to buy sandisk from now on.
KillerBunnys122 said:
I've been looking at this... (Class 4)
http://www.scorptec.com.au/computer/40130-arsdmcl4-32gb
I have no idea who A-RAM are... but its being sold at a real computer store not ebay so its gotta be legit?
Or I could get this... (Class 10)
http://www.scorptec.com.au/computer/40129-arsdmcl10-16gb
But I think I rather the space.
Another quick question, how do I rate my current (8GB) SD card and find out what class it is?
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Dude, a Sandisk Mobile Ultra would pi$$ all over that class 10 card.
WAY too may perople assume that coz, say for example, a Samsung, Patriot, PNY, or whatever make it is...they assume because it is a 'class 10' card.....that it's better and faster......WRONG!!
I have looked into this in GREAT detail......and Bring a Class 10 Samsung, PNY, Kingston (or whatever) to the table......and a Sandisk Mobile Ultra CLASS 4.....yes, CLASS 4, will pi$$ al over the other makes of class 6, 8 and 10!!
I was out looking for a new card and size was not the issue as I hardly ever go over 2-3gb of storage.....so I could of had a PNY Class 10 card for around £20.00.......but instead I went for the SANDISK MOBILE ULTRA CLASS 4 ! !
I've got a couple of old class 4 cards here (NON-Sandisk) and also benchmarked it against my mate's Samsung class 10....
....My little class 4 sandisk mobile ultra BLEW them all away.
please please please don't get any old make, just coz it says "class 10".
Sandisk = the best. FACT!
Here's a Benchmark test result from a very reliable source.
Check this out, very good read:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/microsdhc-memory-card-performance,3011-7.html
"The US-based manufacturer SanDisk is, according to its press releases, the largest manufacturer of flash-based products in the world. Befitting this position, SanDisk offers a complete portfolio of memory cards. The company presents the microSDHC cards on its site’s Mobile Memory section, aiming them at owners of smartphones.
The Mobile Ultra microSDHC card is intended for transferring files between a mobile phone and a PC, which is why it comes with a USB card reader. We tested both the 8 GB SanDisk microSDHC card and the 16 GB SanDisk Mobile Ultra microSDHC. According to the manufacturer, both are Class 4 products.
Class 4 is a real understatement for the Mobile Ultra microSDHC model. Defying its designation, our test sample ran rings around many of the Class 10 cards and exhibited good to excellent read and write performance in all benchmarks. Clocking in at 22.8 MB/s, it even took the lead in our sequential read test. However, it is not quite as fast in the sequential write benchmark, achieving 15.8 MB/s. The card also demonstrates very strong random read and write performance, again winning first place in these categories.
The 8 GB SanDisk microSDHC cannot quite live up to the results demonstrated by its fast Mobile Ultra brother. It really is a Class 4 card, clocking in at 11.6 MB/s sequential reads and 6.1 MB/s sequential writes. Compared to other Class 4 cards, it is fairly slow. Interestingly, the Class 4 Silicon Power microSDHC memory card exhibits precisely the same speed in all benchmarks.
Best part is.....got it at Argos.co.uk for £9.99.
Comes with card reader and software!!
Matt
thanks for the info about this tolls, is a very interesting app
thanks again
Hi all,
What is the maximum capacity Micro SD card size on the TF and also, what Class type do I need?
Thanks in advance
32 gb has always been the limit.
OK thanks, but what 'class' type? I see class 4 and 10 advertised?
well the class is the write speed of the card. The higher the number the faster the speed with 10 being the fastest. I use a class 4 that i had from my thunderbolt and that works just fine
Dont think it matters what class, it's just the write speed of the sd card.
And what all can you use this SD memory for?
Class just specifies the maximum write speed, but with day to day use in the transformer (other than transferring the initial media) it's the read speed that's the most important. You''ll be storing and opening your media from it (music, pictures, videos and PDFs or other e-reader formats most often). Usually a card with fast write will have fast read speeds as well but there can be some anomalies with certain cards so it's not always so clear cut. In my experience anything above a class 4 seems to work just fine. If you're working with a lot of larger video files though probably class 6 or above would be better (and as it's also a little more future-proofed). I would always prefer to go with a named brand class 4 or 6 rather than a non branded class 10 though.
Robert
rwniel said:
Class just specifies the maximum write speed, but with day to day use in the transformer (other than transferring the initial media) it's the read speed that's the most important. You''ll be storing and opening your media from it (music, pictures, videos and PDFs or other e-reader formats most often). Usually a card with fast write will have fast read speeds as well but there can be some anomalies with certain cards so it's not always so clear cut. In my experience anything above a class 4 seems to work just fine. If you're working with a lot of larger video files though probably class 6 or above would be better (and as it's also a little more future-proofed). I would always prefer to go with a named brand class 4 or 6 rather than a non branded class 10 though.
Robert
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Wrong its the minimal write speed. You use many words but give wrong info
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Wrong its the minimal write speed. You use many words but give wrong info
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You use few words, but flame plenty. Be polite please...
Kaiser Chief said:
Wrong its the minimal write speed. You use many words but give wrong info
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Even that isn't the whole story because it's incomplete - the class of the card minimum sustained write speed of the card under optimal conditions (i.e. a brand new and completely unfragmented card). I'm sure someone else can improve on that definition further!
As to what speed of card you need, from sdcard.org:
Class 2 : H.264 video recording, MPEG-4, MPEG-2 video recording
Class 4: MEPG-2 (HDTV) video recording, digital still camera (DSC) consecutive photo shooting
Class 6: Mega-pixel DSC consecutive photo shooting, professional video camera
Class 10: Full HD video recording, HD still picture consecutive shooting
Planning on doing any of these with your TF?
I've been using good quality Sandisk Class 2 cards in all my Android devices since the original T-Mobile G1, and *never* had an issue with them. Plus when testing, I usually get a write speed of around 7.5MB/s.
Regards,
Dave
I use a class 4 16gb and its fine. No problems. I think the faster classes are over rated. I typically try to find a class 4 or 6. Both work great. Don't waste your money.
You can get a 16gb for about $25 and a 32gb for around $40
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FAssuming Asus implemented SD 2.0 standard, a 32 GB maximum storage capacity is your limit for any SDHC memory card. You can read more about it here: link.
As for which class you buy, it depends on what you're using the memory card for. Foxmeister answered with a class rating list. Do note that the higher the class rating, the more expensive the memory card is. Like wise with storage capacity. I recently bought my PNY 32 GB microSDHC class 10 memory card from buy.com for about $57. Caveat emptor with fake ones on eBay, especially ones shipping from China.
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FAssuming Asus implemented SD 2.0 standard, a 32 GB maximum storage capacity is your limit for any SDHC memory card. You can read more about it here: link.
As for which class you buy, it depends on what you're using the memory card for. Foxmeister answered with a class rating list. Do note that the higher the class rating, the more expensive the memory card is. Like wise with storage capacity. I recently bought my PNY 32 GB microSDHC class 10 memory card from buy.com for about $57. Caveat emptor with fake ones on eBay, especially ones shipping from China.
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yep, picked up one of those "fakes on eBay". That really stunk.