Database Info

Nexus 5 vs G2? Which to go for?

Hi guys,
Ordered a Nexus 5 black 32GB to be dispatched for 5th Nov - that's almost £350. Still need to order a bumper - which brings cost to close to G2's £400 price tag. I know the spec is great all round - the only thing to watchout for is the battery.
Just a bit concerned on the battery. Not sure if Google's own optimisation is enough to compensate for its smaller battery.
Would you get G2 or Nexus 5? :silly:

Set8up said:
Hi guys,
Ordered a Nexus 5 black 32GB to be dispatched for 5th Nov - that's almost £350. Still need to order a bumper - which brings cost to close to G2's £400 price tag. I know the spec is great all round - the only thing to watchout for is the battery.
Just a bit concerned on the battery. Not sure if Google's own optimisation is enough to compensate for its smaller battery.
Would you get G2 or Nexus 5? :silly:
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Depends on what is important to you.
N5 wins on software (updates/roms), wireless charging, price
G2 wins on screen size, battery, and Camera.
Dimensions are very close, 1mm diff all around (roughly). Weight is negligible.
Honestly overall the G2 is a better specced phone, but if software is important to you then the N5 wins hands down. Or if saving 50 is important.
The G2 is a BEAST when it comes to battery though, so I think the N5 will be fine, though likely not a superstar.
I have a G2 and still ordered an N5 and will decide which is the winner for me later. It is a very tough call IMO. I am waiting to see how it feels in hand and the difference in pictures and just how long the N5 lasts on battery. Also to see how the software runs. When the N4 came out it felt blazing fast with an older CPU than what I had due to software, so I am hoping/suspicious that the N5 will feel much faster than the G2 even though they have the same hardware.

crawlgsx said:
Depends on what is important to you.
N5 wins on software (updates/roms), wireless charging, price
G2 wins on screen size, battery, and Camera.
Dimensions are very close, 1mm diff all around (roughly). Weight is negligible.
Honestly overall the G2 is a better specced phone, but if software is important to you then the N5 wins hands down. Or if saving 50 is important.
The G2 is a BEAST when it comes to battery though, so I think the N5 will be fine, though likely not a superstar.
I have a G2 and still ordered an N5 and will decide which is the winner for me later. It is a very tough call IMO. I am waiting to see how it feels in hand and the difference in pictures and just how long the N5 lasts on battery. Also to see how the software runs. When the N4 came out it felt blazing fast with an older CPU than what I had due to software, so I am hoping/suspicious that the N5 will feel much faster than the G2 even though they have the same hardware.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Upgrading from S3 - which has been buggy lately so hoped to get a Nexus 5.
Vanilla Android sounds fantastic - and 32GB means I won't need memory card.
Nexus 5 would still be a upgrade from S3 right?

Set8up said:
Upgrading from S3 - which has been buggy lately so hoped to get a Nexus 5.
Vanilla Android sounds fantastic - and 32GB means I won't need memory card.
Nexus 5 would still be a upgrade from S3 right?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
N5 will be a HUUUUUGE upgrade from an S3 .
Vanilla is available on both (Rom's for G2), BUT will be far better/more supported on the N5.

crawlgsx said:
N5 will be a HUUUUUGE upgrade from an S3 .
Vanilla is available on both (Rom's for G2), BUT will be far better/more supported on the N5.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Have you seen the G2 development forums? They have blown up over the past week and every major custom ROM is now available for it. CM has no deal breaking issues on it so far.

AndroidUser00110001 said:
Have you seen the G2 development forums? They have blown up over the past week and every major custom ROM is now available for it. CM has no deal breaking issues on it so far.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I think that many of the people who have been holding out for the N5, but now find it underwhelming (for whatever reason) probably considered the G2 as "plan B" since G2 is the most similar and may have the missing features that they wanted that the N5 didn't. So there should probably be more traffic at the G2 forums sooner or later.
OP,
As a previous N4 owner, I got the G2 2 weeks ago, primarily for the battery, but also ordered the N5 (within 15min of launch). The N5 will be my backup/tinkering phone, while the G2 will be my primary since it has most of the important stuff I need.
On top of what crawlgsx has said, here's something to consider. The G2 has narrow "flat" sides, so the curved back starts closer to the edge, and ends deeper into the back, creating a more ergonomic shape. The N5, though slightly slimmer than the N4, now has thicker sides, making it "block-ier". As a medium - heavy user, this matters to me

AndroidUser00110001 said:
Have you seen the G2 development forums? They have blown up over the past week and every major custom ROM is now available for it. CM has no deal breaking issues on it so far.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Oh yeah I'm loving it! PA is running flawlessly on mine.
But we both know the N5 will surpass it in no time and obviously AOSP will run 100% flawless on an AOSP device, as where we may end up with lingering bugs or whatever. Not saying it is there just a generalization.
The development has gone way up / awesome on the G2 though.

crawlgsx said:
N5 will be a HUUUUUGE upgrade from an S3 .
Vanilla is available on both (Rom's for G2), BUT will be far better/more supported on the N5.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Cancelled my order.
Plain Android on N5 would have been very nice, getting all the new features as its rolled-out, etc - but I decided that G2 has a considerably better battery - micro SD, etc. Spending £350 is okay on N5 had G2 not existed - since G2 does exist, it doesn't make sense to get something that's not quite as good for almost the same amount. Can't imagine Snapdragon 800 running off 2300mhz battery to be honest. At £239 I could have lived with that - but £350 delivered is well into the flagship price range - can't justify it.
Well back to square one now.

Any chance the battery on the G2 can fit in the N5 (perhaps with a little shaving off the edges, etc...)?

AndroidUser00110001 said:
Have you seen the G2 development forums? They have blown up over the past week and every major custom ROM is now available for it. CM has no deal breaking issues on it so far.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
For the life of me I don't see an Optimus G2 subforum here at XDA, must be getting older than I thought... or is this some forum located elsewhere? Link would be appreciated, thanks.

br0adband said:
For the life of me I don't see an Optimus G2 subforum here at XDA, must be getting older than I thought... or is this some forum located elsewhere? Link would be appreciated, thanks.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
http://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-g2?nocache=1&z=89210264850407

Thanks, apparently they're just referring to it as the LG G2, not LG Optimus G2 which was throwing off the search.

AndroidUser00110001 said:
Have you seen the G2 development forums? They have blown up over the past week and every major custom ROM is now available for it. CM has no deal breaking issues on it so far.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
you tell em ps thanks for all the ports

Set8up said:
Cancelled my order.
...but I decided that G2 has a considerably better battery - micro SD, etc.
Well back to square one now.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I assume you are aware by now that the LG G2 does not have a microSD slot (except the South Korean version).

I'd personally go for G2 if it was no more than £400 for 32GB version but that's not available!
Sent from my GT-I9505 using Tapatalk

Set8up said:
Hi guys,
Ordered a Nexus 5 black 32GB to be dispatched for 5th Nov - that's almost £350. Still need to order a bumper - which brings cost to close to G2's £400 price tag. I know the spec is great all round - the only thing to watchout for is the battery.
Just a bit concerned on the battery. Not sure if Google's own optimisation is enough to compensate for its smaller battery.
Would you get G2 or Nexus 5? :silly:
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Battery is my only concern. Now that camera samples are showing up it seems as if Google finally may have gotten the camera right.
But the battery....
Hopefully the OS is well optimized. We all know that's actually more important than battery size, right?
Fingers crossed.
Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk

br0adband said:
For the life of me I don't see an Optimus G2 subforum here at XDA, must be getting older than I thought... or is this some forum located elsewhere? Link would be appreciated, thanks.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
It is not called Optimus, just LG G2 (D800/D801/D803, etc)
Edit: Sorry I see you already saw this, I missed the latest page! *doh*.

Should I Buy?

I got my One Plus One invite today but trying to decide if it's worth it. I currently have a HTC One M7 which is still running pretty well. Any comments from the community?
Sent from my One using Tapatalk

As an example of my personal opinion of the OPO, somebody offered me a trade for their NIB Galaxy S5 (G900W8) and I didn't take it. It's a beautiful, inexpensive, functional, unlocked piece of well made hardware. You don't get the SAMOLED from Samsung or HTC speakers but then you also don't suffer from Knox or locked bootloaders or voided warranty from rooting your phone.
If you don't like it then sell it on. Everybody should get one.

I always wonder how people get their invites, how did you get yours?:cyclops:

Yes, buy it. I did and I don't regret it. It's easily unlocked, runs CM out of the box which is awesome, nice size (I have large hands though so take that as it is) and the one thing that surprised me is that it has good cell reception, it blows my nexus 5 out of the water and keeps pace with and even surpasses my moto x in signal in some areas.
So yes, buy it, you won't be disappointed.

Same question here
I just got an invite myself and I'm asking myself the same question.
I've been interested in trying a phone in the phablet category, I think that's mostly what has my attention, the screen size.
I currently have a N5, and I get a reliable 4 hours SOT and 24 hours standby with it on 4.4 and I love the optical image stabilization.
I think that's what I'd miss the most about my N5, I have somewhat shaky hands.
From what I've heard and read and my experience with cyanogenmod battery life, I don't think that there's going as huge of a difference in battery life and I really don't need more than my N5 gives me.
Also, I was kind of holding out for new phones that will support T-mobile band 12 for LTE.
Still that large beautiful screen calls out to me, lol.
If I can't decide by the end of the day, I may just buy it to give myself some more time to think about it.
I can sell it, if I decide against it.

keda said:
I always wonder how people get their invites, how did you get yours?:cyclops:
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
To be honest I don't know how I got mine either. I was part of their forum just prior to announcement and have been entering every time I did see a change to try to win an invite.
But thanks everyone for your feedback I decided to buy, it's just too good to pass up.

Sushibagel said:
To be honest I don't know how I got mine either. I was part of their forum just prior to announcement and have been entering every time I did see a change to try to win an invite.
But thanks everyone for your feedback I decided to buy, it's just too good to pass up.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Cool, Congrads. If you happen to have an extra invite sitting around, I don't mind taking it. ;p

ordered One
my friend got an invite this morning, his OPO profile account number was in 17xxx. He wasn't going to use it anyways so i grabbed it. Should see how many days it will take to ship.

I got my invite today at work & I spent the rest of the day asking myself the same thing. I got home & just ordered it; I didn't want to second guess myself anymore. I figured I could always sell it if I didn't like it. I'm on an LG G2 & was thinking about going to the G3, but this is almost half the price.

I also got an invite today, besdies the unattractive shipping, duties, and taxes in canada that rack up to about 100$ more, it's a beautiful looking devices and from a kickstarting company, why not have the first phone they make

Goodbye V10 Hello V20

As the Release of V20 will soon be upon us we reflect back on the failures and success of the V10. Me as a person who waited to get the V10 until it was rooted was very excited for this phone,I was happy with all the specs that it had and the design that had a commanding look but that didn't come without issue also. The fingerprint reader had issue not able to read with a case on it,fake second screen bleed issues. wi-fi is slow or dropping out, data and call issues and last be not least screen retention issues. luckily the phone didn't suffer issues from the G4 which had the death reboot which had the same 808 SD. I have done one replacement and that is because of the calls ,data and screen issues was getting worse which I couldn't take, Since the new one came in I've had little issues with it. thank god
Now with the V20 coming right around the block and after watching the press release I'm very interested to see how this V20 holds up. The looks of the phone could be more desirable but its not bad on the eyes especially with the colors that are being released Titan (very dark grey), Pink, and Silver. People will definitely ask what phone is that( The New Iphone) LOL . The specs are on point with this year flagships 5.7in screen 2k screen , 820SD,4GB ram,64 OBS, 3200mAh battery nothing to brag about and android 7.0 out of the box big plus for them.This phone brings a similar rear camera look and function of the G5 but with improvements of presentation and software which I like, they removed the rear buttons which is kinda a disappointment that they took there LG look away that separated from the rest now it looks like every other phone. In the end this is phone is upgrade worthy and I will most surely deserve a look. With other flagships phone coming out the V20 may have some tough competition only time will time.
Now I wanted write a full blow article but i wanted to keep in short and sweet and also see how well I can put this together seeing it as my first . I hope this small review helps.
Peace

I want to buy lg
01. I never get afraid again lg phone to receive :silly:
02. No support
03. never good option for root
04. power consumption sucks

I have been thinking of getting the 20 also. I have to say my 10 has been a great phone. I am worried about getting root.

I am seriously considering the v20!
Sent from my awesome T-Mobile LG V10!

If you find yourself on XDA frequently this may not be the ideal device to upgrade to. Just my opinion.
Sent from my LG-H901 using XDA-Developers mobile app

sabresfan said:
If you find yourself on XDA frequently this may not be the ideal device to upgrade to. Just my opinion.
Sent from my LG-H901 using XDA-Developers mobile app
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
while it looks great, it honestly isn't enough for me to make the jump. The SD820 is nice, and the DAC is probably a good upgrade, but i just cant see making the jump...

I'm getting the v20. It satisfies all the hardware requirements that I am still clinging to (removable battery, memory expansion, great camera). I'm hoping this upgrade solves the issues I had with the v10 (poor power consumption, crappy speaker quality, weak bluetooth). But I will hope and pray that it gets root, but I'm ok with waiting for that. If I need rooted capabilities, I can go back to one of my old nexus devices.
As it stands, the V20 is a great upgrade for me.

$700 is a lot to just upgrade from the 808 to the 820. Not sure about gamers but i have yet to do anything on my phone that the 808 wasn't able to handle.
That b&o earphone is nice but would be more practical just to buy it lol.

My thoughts are it might be worth it. Couple things I'm weighing:
1. Is 2nd screen a true 2nd screen?
2. The audio improvements only seem to apply to wired headphones?
3. Android 7! Yes!
All else seems equal and I do like the rooted V10

TheFuzz said:
My thoughts are it might be worth it. Couple things I'm weighing:
1. Is 2nd screen a true 2nd screen?
2. The audio improvements only seem to apply to wired headphones?
3. Android 7! Yes!
All else seems equal and I do like the rooted V10
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
No it not a true 2nd screen that what makes me mad
Audio improvements are for Mics, speaker and headphones

Airtioteclint said:
$700 is a lot to just upgrade from the 808 to the 820. Not sure about gamers but i have yet to do anything on my phone that the 808 wasn't able to handle.
That b&o earphone is nice but would be more practical just to buy it lol.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
where do you get the 700 from? this phone is worth that much

young0ne said:
where do you get the 700 from? this phone is worth that much
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Just going by how much the v10 cost.
It's worth it if you're coming from another phone. But not coming from the v10.

Airtioteclint said:
Just going by how much the v10 cost.
It's worth it if you're coming from another phone. But not coming from the v10.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
well the v10 cost 599 on t mobile when it was released last time i checked.may for other carriers it cost that much

young0ne said:
well the v10 cost 599 on t mobile when it was released last time i checked.may for other carriers it cost that much
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I'm looking at my receipt right now. 629.99 with tax came to 685.11.
They charge prepaid more to buy it outright.

Airtioteclint said:
I'm looking at my receipt right now. 629.99 with tax came to 685.11.
They charge prepaid more to buy it outright.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Okay that would make sense for the high price.
So let me ask you this.What do you think it is worth with these upgrades?
820SD
upgraded camera software for stills and videos
upgraded audio 4 24bit DACs
update modem

I'm tired of the v10.. Getting the v20 no doubt..

With all the hype it's getting, I think the V20 will have a bigger development community. I'm a long time Nexus user and Samsung dev and I'm jumping over to the V20 side of the fence. Grass looks greener there than the Google Pixel side of the fence.

12MaNy said:
With all the hype it's getting, I think the V20 will have a bigger development community. I'm a long time Nexus user and Samsung dev and I'm jumping over to the V20 side of the fence. Grass looks greener there than the Google Pixel side of the fence.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I enjoy my v10 but lack of development & some small issues make me want to upgrade. I am still considering the Note 7.

I love the flagship LG phones but fact is they are becoming more and more locked down and when root finally does come out a new version of android comes out then we have to wait another 3-5 months for a root for that version to come out. This fact that the bootloaders and everything else is so tightly locked down now makes developers shy away from the device which in turn slows down the rooting/unlocking process even further. I think buying the v20 or future LG flagship devices means you accepting that there will be little to no development for it.
In a nutshell.... Before buying flagship LG phones (as awesome as they are), the main question you should be asking yourself is are you comfortable with using it as is out of the box until you get your next phone. I'm a root junkie and always trying to squeeze as much performance and battery life out of my devices as possible so as awesome as it is I'm prob going to team nexus once my v10 goes up the river.

I was gung ho for the upgraded dac, but this time I am waiting it out;
-LG took too long to actually release the phone.
-LG did not upgrade the screen quality, my phone has SERIOUS image ghosting. Basically you can not run this device on full bright (my choice, not everyone), without damaging the screen and the warranty sucks.
-LG did not really offer enough difference vs every other device that has been out for months. Why not add use the 821 or the 823, so the device has some long term life.
-LG seems to have locked the devices down, such that developers don't even care about this device. If you can't root an android device, their is NO BENEFIT over the latest Iphone 7.
It does not appear that LG is going to match the Samsung 256mb sd card freebie, so considering the amazing price drop of the V10 (the phone is only worth $200ish resale and its not even 1yr old), I am going to wait until the resale price drops in a few months, and I certainly won't buy one at $700+ with no ability to root the device.

Get the pixel or not

I like this phone but I don't know if i like it enough to have it for 2 years. With the iphone 8 and the Samsung s8 or note 8 coming next year makes me want to wait. I don't like how it doesn't have wireless charging and it doesn't have the camera stabilizer for taking pics, also no water protection. So with the people that have this phone please tell me what you think of it. Thabks all.

Wait. You are setting yourself up for a disappointment with all that you see wrong with the device before even buying it. And the price will drive you nuts with those shortcomings you find objectionable.

racer0018 said:
I like this phone but I don't know if i like it enough to have it for 2 years. With the iphone 8 and the Samsung s8 or note 8 coming next year makes me want to wait. I don't like how it doesn't have wireless charging and it doesn't have the camera stabilizer for taking pics, also no water protection. So with the people that have this phone please tell me what you think of it. Thabks all.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Here's a suggestion - make up your own mind instead of relying on other people. Not everyone has to like the same things for the same reasons.

Come on guys, I think you're being unfair. All of us who have bought the phone ought to write a review every time somebody is thinking about buying one and can't be bothered to read the comments and reviews already posted here and on youtube.

Realistically every phone is going to have certain shortcomings, and to me the Pixel looks like first-generation hardware with a top-tier asking price. After seeing the Pixel, I decided to buy the iPhone 7. That's when I found out Apple doesn't provide anything like an LED or ambient display to indicate waiting notifications. That one issue is worth the cost of a return for me, but apparently it's also acceptable to the people that bought the billion previous iPhones. The Pixel checks a lot of items off my interest list, and it misses some. Like other phones available today and in the future, there are areas where the Pixel does and does not compare favorably with other options. Ultimately I think it cost me $35 to find out that an LED notification is more personally important than waterproofing, image stabilization, or wireless charging.

I've been with Android since the HTC Droid Eris. Things are advancing so rapidly now, it is worse that trying to buy an up to date PC back in the day...by the time you got home someone had the specs of your brand new toy beat. It seems even worse now with smartphones. I find myself getting ever closer to a phone that tick all my wants. However, when that starts happening, everybody will keep the phone they have for two years instead of getting a new one every year. That won't help the sales plateau smartphones seem to be in. Today you have to be prepared for the phone you buy today to be one tier behind in a very short time. Just the way it is.
I have to say my new Pixel is the best smartphone I have ever used and it is not even close. I retired an LG V10. The V10 is about as far behind the Pixel as the Galaxy S4 was behind the V10. No it is not perfect, but no other top tier phone today is perfect either. If the Pixel is judged to be too expensive, then so are the rest of the top tier brands.
I'd say get it. Be careful with it and return it if you have some issue.

I have read tons or reviews but here is the thing, those reviews are a lot of the time done by people that wrote for a living and not the average person that is going to use this phone. Most of the time they write these reviews because they get all new phones shipped to them for free and not the average person that gets a new phone once every 2 years. I guess in all, I know what the reviews say and the YouTube videos look like but I wanted to know what the average person says about the phone. Not the expert says about the phone. Thabks.

racer0018 said:
I like this phone but I don't know if i like it enough to have it for 2 years. With the iphone 8 and the Samsung s8 or note 8 coming next year makes me want to wait. I don't like how it doesn't have wireless charging and it doesn't have the camera stabilizer for taking pics, also no water protection. So with the people that have this phone please tell me what you think of it. Thabks all.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Youre gonna wait every 6 months... Pixel 2 next year..
Personally I hold out until the next phone I buy has significant upgrades..
I went from Nexus 4 to Nexus 6 to LG G4 to LG v10 (I fell for the 2nd screen gimmick, but it wasnt anything more over the G4), skipped LG G5, skipped Nexus 6p, considered One plus 3, but Pixel Xl filled a few of the most important boxes for me.
Hype, bandwagon, fantastic screen that turns iPhone/samsung owner's heads, accessories, accessories, super active community, fast, fast loading camera ready to take a picture, unlimited cloud, build quality, looks and balance.
I'm hoping assistant, gps and navigation will work well as I use them a lot and most phones have worked ok, but fail..
Im still waiting on my preorder....

I am happy with T-Mobile giving a 325 dollar credit for this phone, so it's totally worth it for me.
Sent from my Nexus 7 using XDA-Developers mobile app

Yup it is missing those, but if these bother you then don't buy it because it is an expensive phone and if you are not 100% satisfied with what it is offering then yep wait for the next big thing.
For me currently this is the best phone out there satisfying all my needs and desires, and also it was time to replace my aging Nexus 5. Loving the pixel

I'm in a boat whether to buy this phone or not.. Between pixel, oneplus 3 or xiaomi mi note 2. Not sure how roms will be for the pixel, so will wait and see how that pans out and reviews for the MI note 2

LPHS said:
Yup it is missing those, but if these bother you then don't buy it because it is an expensive phone and if you are not 100% satisfied with what it is offering then yep wait for the next big thing.
For me currently this is the best phone out there satisfying all my needs and desires, and also it was time to replace my aging Nexus 5. Loving the pixel
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
See that is a worthwhile upgrade. I went to an n5x so the pixel is not worth the cost. It just depends on where you're coming from.
Sent from my Nexus 5X using XDA-Developers mobile app

chrisinsocalif said:
I am happy with T-Mobile giving a 325 dollar credit for this phone, so it's totally worth it for me.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Same here! I was going to pass on the Pixel because of the price but with that promo, I ordered two for me and the missus. A Pixel for $325 is an amazing deal!

bobby janow said:
See that is a worthwhile upgrade. I went to an n5x so the pixel is not worth the cost. It just depends on where you're coming from.
Sent from my Nexus 5X using XDA-Developers mobile app
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Exactly what I thought, I almost purchased a 5x but decided to wait for the next nexus, didn't know that time that it was going to be a pixel, but yeah for me it is worth the upgrade. If i had purchased the 5x then I am pretty sure I would be in the same boat as you, lol for me even the freakin fingerprint scanner is an upgrade

To the op and others undecided. I think some have already covered it but I'll put in my $.02
I'm different than most that posted here. I like to buy/sell when new devices come out. There is no perfect phone for anyone. I also am not biased towards android or apple.
I have recently used moto x, moto x 2nd gen, htc m9, sony z3 compact, oneplus3, iphones 5s,6,6s,&7/7+
I'm currently using the oneplus 3, iphone 7, and just got the pixel yesterday.
All these phones have there advantages/disadvantages as previously mentioned.
There will always be something better around the corner. If you keep waiting, you'll be waiting forever. If you need a phone right now, best options in my opinion are the pixel, oneplus3, iphone 6s or 7, but that depends on your needs too. If you don't need a phone right now wait it out till you do.
Phones are somewhat similar to pcs right now. They are not really getting any faster for typical use, just better cameras typically and a few different options in the os.
The oneplus 3 imo is the best 5.5" android phone for the money. It's almost perfect for my needs but comes with some minor bugs and not the best speakers for music. $400, can't be beat by any phone and is the fastest android phone out i believe. It is faster than the pixel.
Pixel is a great phone. Fingerprint sensor location takes some getting used to. Android 7 and pixel launcher are nice but come with some bugs and lack of options. Phone can be laggy at times during normal use. Great deal if you get in on the t-mobile promo. I don't like the big top/bottom bezels but i can live with it. With future updates, this could be my new close to perfect phone.
IPhone 7 is nice but overhyped. Iphone 6s is just as good. Iphone 7 speakers and camera slightly better, maybe slightly faster but nothing like Apple claims.
You need to decide what you really want then pick the phone that best fits for the price you want yo pay.
If you want a cheap avg android phone, go with the oneplus 3. It's a great price and competes with the high end phones extremely well. Otherwise pony up. There are limited choices for a decent priced phone anymore and definitely typically come with drawbacks that I'm not willing to sacrifice.
Best of luck

I currently have the Samsung s7. I'm on Verizon. I ordered a pixel from Google because with the financing you can pay it off early. On Verizon Device payment plan you have to pay monthly or just pay the entire phone off at once.
I've been reading reviews and got impatient and ordered the phone from Verizon. I saw were you could get 20% off with the Save20 code but it didn't work for me because of my corporate discount. However, Verizon is giving trade in value for any phone. If I traded in my S7 I could get $300 but I want to keep it in case I don't like the pixel.
What I did was buy an iPhone 4 from ebay for $30. Verizon gave me a $200 credit for that phone and I ordered the 128gb pixel. So I got that phone for 750-200+30=$580. I think I paid $650 for my Nexus 6P 64gb last year.
Options that Verizon and tmobile offer make it a no brainer to get this phone. I think if Google had released this phone to all carriers or when they do you will have many people buying and loving this phone. That is the problem. Not what the phone is missing it's because people don't want to pull the trigger because of the price.
Sent from my SM-G930V using XDA-Developers mobile app

andyfoster said:
Come on guys, I think you're being unfair. All of us who have bought the phone ought to write a review every time somebody is thinking about buying one and can't be bothered to read the comments and reviews already posted here and on youtube.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
LOL. Thanks mate, you made my day!

I'm am average user but love pure android and had nearly all the Nexus phones and coming from the 6p to the pixel, have to say love it. Great camera, faster better in low light, phone is bonkers quick with excellent battery life and very crisp clear screen. Also easier to handle than my 6p. Very expensive but worth it? Just about.
Sent from my Pixel using XDA-Developers mobile app

Realistic options for a replacement to the Moto X Pure

So I am getting sick of the battery life of this device and charging twice a day just to get by... the QC helps but it isn't always a viable option for someone who is on the road/travels a lot. I am probably going to go back to my Moto G 2015 for the time being as I could get a full days use most of the time on a single charge and just selling my MXPE.
But now the question comes up as what to replace it with... Moto G 5th gen, Blu Pure XR, ZTE Axon 7 Mini, or ???
My requirements are simple, or so I think...
1) 4+ hours SOT, preferably 5+, in mixed signal environment of WiFi/LTE/3G and sometimes without the best signal strength (for reference, I currently get about 2.5 hours on MXPE)
2) 5.2"-5.7" screen with 1080p minimum resolution
3) Stock Android, "near" stock, or simple UI (no TouchWiz, EMUI, ZenUI, or other bloated UI) that allows easy use of replacement launcher
4) 64GB internal storage or 32GB internal+microSD
5) 3GB or more of RAM
6) Full AT&T network compatibility (GSM 850/1900 and LTE Band 2/4/5/12/17 and optionally 29/30)
7) Nougat or Marshmallow with a Nougat upgrade "guaranteed"
8) 3.5mm headphone jack
9) Dual band WiFi - 2.4 & 5Ghz
10) $300USD or less
Would be nice, but not essential...
1) Unlockable bootloader (implies root/custom recovery/ROM development community)
2) Front facing speakers
3) NFC
4) USB 3.0
Absolute no no's are Samsung, Asus, or Huawei/Honor devices.
What else fits these requirements that I am not considering?

I believe the one phone that comes to mind that would fit most of your requirements is the Axon. I took a break from the MXPE (when it flew off my roof and died a horrible death in a rain storm) and had the Axon 7 (normal size) for about a month. You will get NEAR 4 hours of SoT, a qhd screen, 5.5 inches, relatively light for metal body. Unlockable bootloader and decent dev for it, last I checked. Things that bothered me/ pissed me off were that DTTW was laggy and slow, the actual cell service seemed to be really bad, possibly because of the full metal body phone, and the biggest annoyance - no backlit capacitive buttons, so you were left sort of blind in the dark trying to hit buttons. There is also no way through the build.prop to enable the on-screen buttons to bypass the issue at night, last I checked.
LG V20 could be an option too since it has a bootloader unlock now, 3.5-4.5 hours of SoT. I think it has a bottom bezel speaker though, which is a little weird, and as always the LG software has complaints. The dev is good enough to get around that though.
I'm in the same boat as you though. I've been looking pretty hard to find a new phone and the V20 is the only one I am really considering right now.

Get the OnePlus 3T it meets all your needs I get easily 6 to 7 HR sot

datchico305 said:
Get the OnePlus 3T it meets all your needs I get easily 6 to 7 HR sot
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Would love to... tell me where I can get a new OP3T for under $300... That one is a hard stop requirement.
@xgerryx Same for LG V20 and Axon 7 (which never goes on sale, although the Mini does often), the $300 price point is a big deal

This phone has been a little disappointing. It's good, but definitely not great. It's a night and day difference from the Galaxy S3 I was using, but I wish I had held out a little longer for the SD 820 phones instead of buying in 2015.
It sounds like you've already got a pretty inclusive list for phones that are sold in the US and meet your requirements.
I just checked swappa, and if you're willing to go used, the OnePlus 3 is starting to get down towards the price point you're looking for. It has the same size battery as the MXP, and between the more efficient SoC than this godawful 808/810 generation and an FHD AMOLED I'd think you should get better screen on time out of it. It's a OnePlus so it has loads of good development, so you'll have all kinds of kernel/rom/tweaking available to really squeeze every erg out of it.

jason2678 said:
This phone has been a little disappointing. It's good, but definitely not great. It's a night and day difference from the Galaxy S3 I was using, but I wish I had held out a little longer for the SD 820 phones instead of buying in 2015.
It sounds like you've already got a pretty inclusive list for phones that are sold in the US and meet your requirements.
I just checked swappa, and if you're willing to go used, the OnePlus 3 is starting to get down towards the price point you're looking for. It has the same size battery as the MXP, and between the more efficient SoC than this godawful 808/810 generation and an FHD AMOLED I'd think you should get better screen on time out of it. It's a OnePlus so it has loads of good development, so you'll have all kinds of kernel/rom/tweaking available to really squeeze every erg out of it.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
That actually could be an option... I will investigate further.

acejavelin said:
Would love to... tell me where I can get a new OP3T for under $300... That one is a hard stop requirement.
@xgerryx Same for LG V20 and Axon 7 (which never goes on sale, although the Mini does often), the $300 price point is a big deal
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
If you happen to be SUPER interested in the V20, I have seen some go for like 310-320 on Swappa in good to mint condition. You gotta hound the seller though and keep track of it all damn day for when the price drops. Not an awesome experience but I'm waiting for the same thing myself.

xgerryx said:
If you happen to be SUPER interested in the V20, I have seen some go for like 310-320 on Swappa in good to mint condition. You gotta hound the seller though and keep track of it all damn day for when the price drops. Not an awesome experience but I'm waiting for the same thing myself.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I'm not really interested... TBH, my experience with non-Nexus LG Android devices has been... well... lets just say less then wonderful.
Although I would have to say that the LG enV from years ago probably ranks up there as my favorite phone of all time, back when you could actually get DAYS of usage out of a cell phone on a single charge. I remember I would charge it twice a week. lol

acejavelin said:
I'm not really interested... TBH, my experience with non-Nexus LG Android devices has been... well... lets just say less then wonderful.
Although I would have to say that the LG enV from years ago probably ranks up there as my favorite phone of all time, back when you could actually get DAYS of usage out of a cell phone on a single charge. I remember I would charge it twice a week. lol
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yea I agree. After my terrible experience with the buggy LG G4, I'm very skeptical about going back again. At the same time I am running out of companies to try out! Haha. Gotta circle back eventually, especially on Verizon.

xgerryx said:
Yea I agree. After my terrible experience with the buggy LG G4, I'm very skeptical about going back again. At the same time I am running out of companies to try out! Haha. Gotta circle back eventually, especially on Verizon.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
NEVER AGAIN!!! I refuse to drop $140 plus taxes and fees (realistically $160) for the service level I get now for $72 per month. Plus the limitations on devices, I would have to buy at least one new phone and/or go under contract. Nope, not happening. (Can you tell I have a grudge against Verizon, lol)

I would look around swappa for a OnePlus 3 or 3t it's worth it no bugs lag free and monthly updates it's already on nougat 7.1.1 and the beta builds they offer are great as well and development is great lots of greats ROMs and kernels and unlocking bootloader will not void warranty

TBH...I think you will have a hard time meeting all of your requirements right now. The market looks pretty dismal which is very unfortunate. I personally will hold out a little longer. I'm really looking hard at what Nokia/HMD are coming up with and hoping their roadmap for US devices includes a mid range device soon. So far their line up seems decent and if they are true to their word about expedient updates for Android, and they will sell devices with unlockable bootloaders at decent prices, I'll be sold.

moving to a galaxy s8 plus, comes tomorrow

unitz0mbie said:
moving to a galaxy s8 plus, comes tomorrow
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Like @acejavelin stated, Samsung is not an option, and I agree with him. Yes they have great hardware for the most part, but a less powerful processor running vanilla, our near vanilla Android will run just as well considering the lack of heavy handed UX. I will admit the phone looks great hardware and looks wise, but I personally don't like the look and feel of Samsung TW.

unitz0mbie said:
moving to a galaxy s8 plus, comes tomorrow
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Sammie's are to bloated... Every Samsung devices we have ever had has been problematic... Hope you enjoy yours though but I would never spend that kind of money on a phone.

I have a moto g5 plus as well, its pretty good. It's fast and smooth. Screen and camera are good too, but obviously not as good as the X style.

Yes mxpe battery sucks. I have to charge 2-3 times a day and am not even a heavy user. I know its more than your actual budget but better wait, save a bit more and probably the price will drop also and go for a OP 3T.

i know your problem man.. but why don't you wait for a nougat update?? why not? maybe they might fix up the battery drain issue!
there are barely very less phones which have dual front facing speakers.. market has got very saturated.. all look for flagship but they just don't think that having a good speakers is also a part of flagship project!
as per my personal opinion... this phone is just the best phone ive ever used (till 2015) but in upcoming era you will see more and more features
i will recommend you to wait and not hurry up to get a phone...
if you need a pure stock surely get nexus but just wait for new nexus phone.. maybe they might consider it as a flagship and the value might be cheap??
anyways if you're just asking for all the requirements my opinion (AXON 7) not just only for dual front facing speakers but also for the processor(sd 820),storage(64gb,6gb ram) expandable ovbio (256gb)
plot twist: has hybrid sim XD
but im legit that it'll be upgraded to android 'O'
but it cost around $350
think man.. public reviews are also good
it meets all the requirements but is as costly as mxpe

Sagar_1401 said:
i know your problem man.. but why don't you wait for a nougat update?? why not? maybe they might fix up the battery drain issue!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Nougat can't "fix" our battery issue... Radio and display panel are hardware issues and that's where 75% of all battery drain is. It isn't even issues, it's just how much power they use normally. The SD808's radios are terribly inefficient, and the display panel uses more power than some small towns. If you think Nougat is going to noticably improve active use time, your kidding yourself.
To be honest, I might just pull my old Nexus 5 out if the drawer and switch to it... The battery life can't be much worse.
The sound aspect is less important. FF speakers are nice, but as long as I can hear a YouTube video in an average room and turn the ringer up enough u don't care.
I bought the MXPE as an upgrade to my G 2015 and it was on sale for under $250, and for the most part it is, I just didn't realize how bad the battery was, it is easily half of my G.

I got Axon 7 after X and can't be happier. I've had the A7 since August. Has the front speakers i wanted, nice beautiful Samsung screen. Battery is definitely better then X. Software was buggy at the beginning but they have improved it a lot. Axon 7 has been getting a lot of updates, doesn't mean it'll continue, we were the 1st ones to receive 7.0 with the exception of Google devices, and we are the only ones so far (afaik) to receive 7.1.1 with also the exception of Google devices.
It has its flaws but i love the phone. For the money you can't beat it. It's on sale now on newegg for $330.