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Have I just "bricked" my new phone - Nexus S 4G

Forum says no noobs but, the other forum options didn't seem to fit with my issue. If this is in the wrong place, please point that out to me.
I just purchased my NS4G today and tried rooting it. The end result leaves me at a Google screen with a padlock on the bottom.
I have searched a lot and have read about a lot of fixes but, none of them are working. I am at my wits end.
I tried to download recovery images and flash them but my CMD just says cannot determine image filename for 'recovery.img'
I have tried removing the battery, entering recovery mode and wiping everything to no avail.
Am I completely screwed?

Ok, so I was able to get the recovery image flashed, but i rebooted and still get the google screen.
Any tips?

Ok, making some progress. I got the ClockworkMod Recovery working however, I cannot mount my phone..
I've installed the Samsung drivers, ADB, and Android SDK, but I'm not able to send Superuser to the device..
Any clues?

Allow me to add to my external monologue.
I can't seem to mount my NS4G as a USB Mass Storage device. Windows 7 is not recognizing the phone...
What to do, what to do...

So now I really am stuck. I can't load this Superuser zip onto the phone because my USB Mass Storage is not working.
Please, anyone, lend a guy a hand. I'm confused and worried.
Thank you.

I probably will get warned/modded/banned but anyway try
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1171
gl

ScrapSilicon said:
I probably will get warned/modded/banned but anyway try
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1171
gl
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Dude, you saved my ass.
Thank you.

tweston1 said:
Dude, you saved my ass.
Thank you.
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no problem just click the thanks button by my post if I or anyone else helps you and Welcome to xda !!

ScrapSilicon said:
I probably will get warned/modded/banned but anyway try
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1171
gl
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I'm not sure how providing a helpful link to someone would get you warned/modded/banned.
@OP - I'll move your post to the Nexus S forums.

NotATreoFan said:
I'm not sure how providing a helpful link to someone would get you warned/modded/banned.
@OP - I'll move your post to the Nexus S forums.
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i was just sitting here thinking the same thing. why would that link ever get anyone in trouble? unless he lives in opposite land, where good is evil

NotATreoFan said:
I'm not sure how providing a helpful link to someone would get you warned/modded/banned.
@OP - I'll move your post to the Nexus S forums.
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lol you rock
simms22 said:
i was just sitting here thinking the same thing. why would that link ever get anyone in trouble? unless he lives in opposite land, where good is evil
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by sending someone to a dev section where they might cause issues in an existing thread
simms22 said:
what are you talking about.. we LOVE noobs
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the OP had originally posted in Android Hacking forum I believe

ScrapSilicon said:
lol you rock
by sending someone to a dev section where they might cause issues in an existing thread
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what are you talking about.. we LOVE noobs

lol hey OP id suggest reading a few things from now on. i didnt know **** and still dont but some of these guys just have the knack
just dont panic, somehow or another you get the help you need, hell ive been waiting like 4-5 days now. but i either have faith or am an idiot

Accidentally pressed power and volume button.

So i accidentally pressed power and volume button at the same time And now i am looking at a screen with android with its stomach open and at the top says START.how to get out of this?i accidentally pressed them-.-help.

Hold down the power button until it reboots
Sent from my Nexus 5

You're in fastboot. Just press the power button to reboot the phone or use the volume buttons to select a different option.

pepdavies said:
Hold down the power button until it reboots
Sent from my Nexus 5
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you sure?and is this the bootloader?

ok thanks i am out of the stupid fastboot.

00MATRIX00 said:
ok thanks i am out of the stupid fastboot.
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Fastboot isn't stupid. Some day you'll be glad to know how to get to it.

00MATRIX00 said:
ok thanks i am out of the stupid fastboot.
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Lol if ONLY you knew the truth behind that awesome fastboot
Sent from a potato

jd1639 said:
Fastboot isn't stupid. Some day you'll be glad to know how to get to it.
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CellPhish said:
Lol if ONLY you knew the truth behind that awesome fastboot
Sent from a potato
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You do know some people don't give a crap about unlocking/rooting a phone? I've actually relocked and gone back to 100% stock as I have no need to be unlocked any more

EddyOS said:
You do know some people don't give a crap about unlocking/rooting a phone? I've actually relocked and gone back to 100% stock as I have no need to be unlocked any more
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Yep, and that's fine but there could be a day when something goes wrong where that bootloader could come in handy. Always good to know your phone, especially if you're in a development forum.

EddyOS said:
You do know some people don't give a crap about unlocking/rooting a phone? I've actually relocked and gone back to 100% stock as I have no need to be unlocked any more
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You do know going on fastboot does not only help with unlocking/rooting a phone right? We're just saying that the OP is just glad he knew about fastboot and the potential it can do if something goes horribly wrong with his phone.
Sent from a potato

jd1639 said:
Yep, and that's fine but there could be a day when something goes wrong where that bootloader could come in handy. Always good to know your phone, especially if you're in a development forum.
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True, but Q&A isn't the development forum
Remember, this whole site is full of n00bs and those just wanting to use their phone - Devs are probably now in the minority!

EddyOS said:
True, but Q&A isn't the development forum
Remember, this whole site is full of n00bs and those just wanting to use their phone - Devs are probably now in the minority!
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Xda is a development forum

jd1639 said:
Xda is a development forum
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We're splitting hairs now, you know what I mean. End of the day, there are some people who come here for advice - not for modifying their device - and have no need to know what fastboot is as they will never want to unlock their device

EddyOS said:
We're splitting hairs now, you know what I mean. End of the day, there are some people who come here for advice - not for modifying their device - and have no need to know what fastboot is as they will never want to unlock their device
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+ 1, XDA is also a knowledge database for everyone to enjoy wether they`re rooted or not. We`re all users ultimately

jd1639 said:
Fastboot isn't stupid. Some day you'll be glad to know how to get to it.
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But it did gave me a mini heart attack.I was like "waaatttt" and as for rooting:its really hard for beginners!.n5 is my first android,previous phone was iPhone 5.Jailbreaking the iPhone was so easy compared to all technical stuff that comes with rooting. Anyway my friend is rooting my n5 for me yesterday.i will watch him to do it(this sounded wrong)

Dev will always be in minority,its obvious.and as for xda developers the name does suggest it for developers and wires and 2+2=5 stuff and whatnot.but yeah the site is filled noobs and newbies.but those devs rocks!

If you want to know what this site is about, just look at the bottom-left of any page.

PhilipTD said:
If you want to know what this site is about, just look at the bottom-left of any page.
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Let's name it xdanoobs since now we noobs are in majority.

00MATRIX00 said:
Let's name it xdanoobs since now we noobs are in majority.
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Yeah and we`d all post questions that no one would be able to answer cause reading and searching would be forbidden on XDA

EddyOS said:
You do know some people don't give a crap about unlocking/rooting a phone? I've actually relocked and gone back to 100% stock as I have no need to be unlocked any more
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Well maybe those people would find a forum like Android Central better suited to their needs. As previously stated, XDA is a development forum, not a general Android support forum. If they aren't planning on rooting, then XDA really isn't for them.
Sent from my Moto X

[Q] Download

Hello everyone. There is a thread with a root toolkit, here.
But I can't seem to dowload the kits from the download tab. Nothing happens. I can't use direct download or torrent. None of them results in anything.
There no problem downloading from other sites, I have rebooted my router, restarted my PC, cleared cache and so on.
Any tips or alternate links?
Thanks

Nesdam1981 said:
Hello everyone. There is a thread with a root toolkit, here.
But I can't seem to dowload the kits from the download tab. Nothing happens. I can't use direct download or torrent. None of them results in anything.
There no problem downloading from other sites, I have rebooted my router, restarted my PC, cleared cache and so on.
Any tips or alternate links?
Thanks
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Here, this will help you out a lot.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2477886
QUESTIONS DO NOT GO IN GENERAL - There is a Q&A Forum - Please Use It
Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk

Nesdam1981 said:
Hello everyone. There is a thread with a root toolkit, here.
But I can't seem to dowload the kits from the download tab. Nothing happens. I can't use direct download or torrent. None of them results in anything.
There no problem downloading from other sites, I have rebooted my router, restarted my PC, cleared cache and so on.
Any tips or alternate links?
Thanks
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You don't want a tool kit any way. Use this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=47025283
Sent from my Nexus 5

Thanks
FuMMoD said:
Here, this will help you out a lot.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2477886
QUESTIONS DO NOT GO IN GENERAL - There is a Q&A Forum - Please Use It
Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk
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OK! Thanks you for that highly appreciative and mature answer. I posted in the wrong section, I didn't start a war by trolling. I was simply unsure where to put the question since it is also a request for alternate links. Next time I'll make sure to Google before I go to the "friendly" community of XDA...

jd1639 said:
You don't want a tool kit any way. Use this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=47025283
Sent from my Nexus 5
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Thank you for a actual helpful reply. Looked at that first, but I'd rather use a kit. That's how I always done it.

Nesdam1981 said:
Thank you for a actual helpful reply. Looked at that first, but I'd rather use a kit. That's how I always done it.
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We'll, you can do what you want. But you'll be better off in the long run if you learn to do it the right way. The n5 is a real easy device to root and rom. Learning to do those things rather than using a tool kit will save you a lot of headaches in the future
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I727

Nesdam1981 said:
Thank you for a actual helpful reply. Looked at that first, but I'd rather use a kit. That's how I always done it.
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Like everyone says working and learning is best since you learn how to save your butt also if some goes awry. Here is toolkit if you just cannot do it another way:
http://www.wugfresh.com/nrt/

Nesdam1981 said:
Thank you for a actual helpful reply. Looked at that first, but I'd rather use a kit. That's how I always done it.
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If you use a toolkit, you'll be back on here begging for help because you bricked your device. If you want to mod, either learn to do it the right way or don't bother at all. Save yourself and the XDA community the headache.

Just to reiterate the above, don't use toolkits. When you need help, it's much harder for us to explain how to fix things if you don't understand our "language".
Not sure how many other people that do this but if a first post says "toolkit" in it, I stop reading.
Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk

Nesdam1981 said:
Hello everyone. There is a thread with a root toolkit, here.
But I can't seem to dowload the kits from the download tab. Nothing happens. I can't use direct download or torrent. None of them results in anything.
There no problem downloading from other sites, I have rebooted my router, restarted my PC, cleared cache and so on.
Any tips or alternate links?
Thanks
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Try to avoid toolkit, its not needed.

BirchBarlow said:
If you use a toolkit, you'll be back on here begging for help because you bricked your device. If you want to mod, either learn to do it the right way or don't bother at all. Save yourself and the XDA community the headache.
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I'm not entirely sure where I said that I don't know how to do it either way. I've been rooting and installing custom ROMs and firmware since Nexus was first released. I just find it easier (I'm lazy) to use a one click toolkit to get it done. That doesn't mean I don't know how to backup and restore stock.
If I want to use a toolkit and ask for it I really can't understand the judging in here. It's my choice, and your conclusions are that I'm a noob because of it? yeah, what a great and "friendly" community this is. I might save you the headache cus this is just ridiculous.
Thanks anyway for your heartwarming words.

It takes about two minutes to root without a toolkit. But of course you knew that already!
Sent from my Nexus 5

Nesdam1981 said:
I'm not entirely sure where I said that I don't know how to do it either way. I've been rooting and installing custom ROMs and firmware since Nexus was first released. I just find it easier (I'm lazy) to use a one click toolkit to get it done. That doesn't mean I don't know how to backup and restore stock.
If I want to use a toolkit and ask for it I really can't understand the judging in here. It's my choice, and your conclusions are that I'm a noob because of it? yeah, what a great and "friendly" community this is. I might save you the headache cus this is just ridiculous.
Thanks anyway for your heartwarming words.
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Relax, don't take it so personally. I get it, you're not a newb. When you come here asking about toolkits with a single-digit post count, it's a fair assumption. Either way I don't see the purpose of toolkits for a Nexus device. I encourage everyone not to use toolkits but to root the proper way. How hard is it to type "fastboot oem unlock" and "fastboot flash recovery recovery-twrp.img"? It's not like it's Samsung or something where you have to find exploits and hack to get it unlocked. Google gives us all the tools we need to unlock Nexus devices. You don't have to know how to code or anything to use the tools. There's nothing to gain by using one-click toolkits and root methods, only to lose as you never know exactly what they're doing under the hood. Toolkits cause more problems than they solve, especially when used by those with little to no experience. As someone else pointed as, when inexperienced users use toolkits and inevitably run into problems, it's difficult to explain how to fix it because they don't understand the steps we're telling them to take. It may as well be Greek to them. For these reasons I always discourage the use of toolkits.

Thanks all. I did it the "proper" way
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[Q] How do I ROOT the Nexus 5!?

I tried both toolkits in the Origional Android Development sections and neither of them work. They all ask for a donation. I do not want to donate until I can verify that it works. Nothing I have tried has allowed me to root my phone.
I am on Android 4.4.4 on T-Mobile.
Any help would be greatly appreciated!

CannibalAngel said:
I tried both toolkits in the Origional Android Development sections and neither of them work. They all ask for a donation. I do not want to donate until I can verify that it works. Nothing I have tried has allowed me to root my phone.
I am on Android 4.4.4 on T-Mobile.
Any help would be greatly appreciated!
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first things first, if you have no idea whats going on do not use root toolkits.
secondly, we have wonderful sticky posts here to make it easy to find useful info, rooting a nexus 5 is useful.
the basics..
1. use fastboot to unlock your bootloader
2. use fastboot to flash a custom recovery
3. use that new custom recovery to flash supersu, the superuser(root) binaries
4. boot up with root.
5. now why do we need toolkits?
now check here to get detailed instructions http://forum.xda-developers.com/goo...urce-guides-info-threads-linked-read-t2784527

simms22 said:
first things first, if you have no idea whats going on do not use root toolkits.
secondly, we have wonderful sticky posts here to make it easy to find useful info, rooting a nexus 5 is useful.
the basics..
1. use fastboot to unlock your bootloader
2. use fastboot to flash a custom recovery
3. use that new custom recovery to flash supersu, the superuser(root) binaries
4. boot up with root.
5. now why do we need toolkits?
now check here to get detailed instructions http://forum.xda-developers.com/goo...urce-guides-info-threads-linked-read-t2784527
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Thanks a lot! I'll have to try this when I get home!

CannibalAngel said:
Thanks a lot! I'll have to try this when I get home!
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or you could download and try towelroot, regard's
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simms22 said:
first things first, if you have no idea whats going on do not use root toolkits.
secondly, we have wonderful sticky posts here to make it easy to find useful info, rooting a nexus 5 is useful.
the basics..
1. use fastboot to unlock your bootloader
2. use fastboot to flash a custom recovery
3. use that new custom recovery to flash supersu, the superuser(root) binaries
4. boot up with root.
5. now why do we need toolkits?
now check here to get detailed instructions http://forum.xda-developers.com/goo...urce-guides-info-threads-linked-read-t2784527
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hello simms22, can i ask why you don't like toolkits if they work, no pun intended

joecool666 said:
or you could download and try towelroot, regard's
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hello simms22, can i ask why you don't like toolkits if they work, no pun intended
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because too many people that use toolkits are brand new, and they dont learn the very basics of modding the phone by skipping that step. then later on, when all there is to do is some basic maintenance, they freak and think they destroyed their device. or many similar stories like that. anyways, i dont have any issue with toolkits overall, just the newest users. what id like to see is a toolkit that also explains the basics, so the user can learn the basics. anyways, with nexus devices, its just as easy doing it properly. if you have fastboot installed, the process takes 3-4 minutes.

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because too many people that use toolkits are brand new, and they dont learn the very basics of modding the phone by skipping that step. then later on, when all there is to do is some basic maintenance, they freak and think they destroyed their device. or many similar stories like that. anyways, i dont have any issue with toolkits overall, just the newest users. what id like to see is a toolkit that also explains the basics, so the user can learn the basics. anyways, with nexus devices, its just as easy doing it properly. if you have fastboot installed, the process takes 3-4 minutes.
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yeah true i understand where your comming from with that fairplay. kind regard's joe

simms22 said:
if you have fastboot installed, the process takes 3-4 minutes.
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...and if you don't have fastboot installed, then process takes 3 minutes, 15 seconds
Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk

Nobody has that much time, that why there are toolkits

CannibalAngel said:
Thanks a lot! I'll have to try this when I get home!
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Its honestly ridiculously easy. Don't worry about it sounding confusing
Sent from my Android L Nexus 5 via Tapatalk

If you're an absolute beginner I can recommend Chromium's guide (which is also mentioned in rootSU's Sticky Roll-Up):
https://forums.oneplus.net/threads/...oader-install-custom-recovery-and-root.64487/

draa2711 said:
If you're an absolute beginner I can recommend Chromium's guide (which is also mentioned in rootSU's Sticky Roll-Up):
https://forums.oneplus.net/threads/...oader-install-custom-recovery-and-root.64487/
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"rootsu" has give you the answer and link just 2 post above you, regard's sorry draa2711 that's not ment for you, i am just awake lol,

pepdavies said:
Nobody has that much time, that why there are toolkits
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its quicker doing it the right way than using a toolkit. if you dont have enough time, do it the right way.

joecool666 said:
"rootsu" has give you the answer and link just 2 post above you, regard's sorry draa2711 that's not ment for you, i am just awake lol,
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OT:
Haha! Before you edited I was like: "Dude, whaaat?!"

draa2711 said:
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Haha! Before you edited I was like: "Dude, whaaat?!"
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lol yeah sorry about that i posted in the wrong box lol,

draa2711 said:
If you're an absolute beginner I can recommend Chromium's guide (which is also mentioned in rootSU's Sticky Roll-Up):
https://forums.oneplus.net/threads/...oader-install-custom-recovery-and-root.64487/
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Used this yesterday to root my new N5, worked great. Only issue I had was that I couldn't push SuperSU to /sdcard. Used the sideloader and it loaded fine then.

Just use towelroot

Vanhoud said:
Just use towelroot
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Still, like tool kits, doesn't teach the basics that are needed to fix problems. If then person already knows these basics, fine but if not. They're a burden on this forum and us when we're trying to help so only suggest this to people who know what they're doing.
Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk

simms22 said:
first things first, if you have no idea whats going on do not use root toolkits.
secondly, we have wonderful sticky posts here to make it easy to find useful info, rooting a nexus 5 is useful.
the basics..
1. use fastboot to unlock your bootloader
2. use fastboot to flash a custom recovery
3. use that new custom recovery to flash supersu, the superuser(root) binaries
4. boot up with root.
5. now why do we need toolkits?
now check here to get detailed instructions http://forum.xda-developers.com/goo...urce-guides-info-threads-linked-read-t2784527
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Rooted my phone with this method last night! Thanks for linking that for me!
Sent from my Nexus 5 using XDA Free mobile app

CannibalAngel said:
Rooted my phone with this method last night! Thanks for linking that for me!
Sent from my Nexus 5 using XDA Free mobile app
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and that method can be used for any nexus device. anyways, im glad you got it alright. now, after the first time doing it, your next nexus will take 3-4 minutes to root

Thanks again!
Sent from my Nexus 5 using XDA Free mobile app

[Q] Please help a total noob with updating my OPO

Hi guys,
Backstory: This is my first phone that I have ever rooted and kernel (franco). I was able to root my OPO with the links I have found on this subreddit (took me an hour because I am a noob). However, I am still new to "flashing, wiping, zip" etc terms.
Currently my OPO is: 11.0-XNPH33R
Kernel Version 3.4.0 franco.kernel #22
This is all that I have done with my phone. No other mods or customization. I want to update to the 38R.
I have seen the links in this subreddit on how to update without wiping data on the phone with modded 38Rs files and etc.
The thing is, I still feel uncomfortable with how to update my phone because the steps I see is "....flash this, boot that, reflash this..." etc.
I need some detailed directions, as if I am a total noob. Step by step directions.
I currently have the OTA update on my phone's update setting.
I am asking wholeheartedly to find someone who is willing to spend the time and effort to help a noobie like me in updating my phone. (I hope this will teach me on how to update my phone in the furture by using this as a reference)
What are my steps to update my phone? (Please be very specific)
Please forgive a noob like me. I thank you for taking your time to help me.

Read PM
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Nvm.

I need help!! Currently on 33r and 38r fails to install and it states mixer path failed and cache failed
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galaxys3some said:
I need help!! Currently on 33r and 38r fails to install and it states mixer path failed and cache failed
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flash the modified ota.

zephiK said:
flash the modified ota.
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I've heard bad things about it
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galaxys3some said:
I've heard bad things about it
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What bad things?

Thanks
PaoloMix09 said:
Read PM
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This guy right here is awesome. He helped me with my problem and answered all my questions. Thanks dude! I appreciate it!

PaoloMix09 said:
Read PM
Sent from crispy tocino
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keviee said:
This guy right here is awesome. He helped me with my problem and answered all my questions. Thanks dude! I appreciate it!
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That's awesome. But, @PaoloMix09, why do it via PM? The whole point of having a q&a section is so that valuable information is readily available for those who are seeking it. The help you have given is of no benefit to the community if it's buried in an inbox where nobody can see it. In future could you please assist people in the threads? That way everyone benefits [emoji1]
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timmaaa said:
That's awesome. But, @PaoloMix09, why do it via PM? The whole point of having a q&a section is so that valuable information is readily available for those who are seeking it. The help you have given is of no benefit to the community if it's buried in an inbox where nobody can see it. In future could you please assist people in the threads? That way everyone benefits [emoji1]
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Totally understand. I actually helped through hangouts. Reason being, since he is just learning, wanted to provide guidance and him being able to reply to me asap helps a lot. He was also asking many questions, best way was definitely on chat this time. Not only replying to him in here would've taken longer, but he probably wouldn't have understood some things. Just what I think.
I will try to respond on here more often.
Sent from crispy tocino

PaoloMix09 said:
Totally understand. I actually helped through hangouts. Reason being, since he is just learning, wanted to provide guidance and him being able to reply to me asap helps a lot. He was also asking many questions, best way was definitely on chat this time. Not only replying to him in here would've taken longer, but he probably wouldn't have understood some things. Just what I think.
I will try to respond on here more often.
Sent from crispy tocino
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Cool beans. I get where you're coming from. Thanks for replying, it's good to see you're helping out here.
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