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Sense vs GPE

Has anyone tried running both Sense and the GPE ROM for any length of time? Any deal breakers with the GPE ROM. I have read through most of the forum over there, but I'm not allowed to post in development forums so I wanted to see if anyone could provide any feedback on the GPE ROM. I used to have the Thunderbolt but grew sour of Sense after a while. Now I'm pretty much over any manufacturer UIs like Blur, TouchWiz, Sense, etc. I'm looking for the pure android experience I get with my Nexus 7, but Nexus isn't available on Verizon so a GPE version of the HTC One M8 seems like about the best thing to try. Any thoughts on how this ROM works?

bradwatson said:
Has anyone tried running both Sense and the GPE ROM for any length of time? Any deal breakers with the GPE ROM. I have read through most of the forum over there, but I'm not allowed to post in development forums so I wanted to see if anyone could provide any feedback on the GPE ROM. I used to have the Thunderbolt but grew sour of Sense after a while. Now I'm pretty much over any manufacturer UIs like Blur, TouchWiz, Sense, etc. I'm looking for the pure android experience I get with my Nexus 7, but Nexus isn't available on Verizon so a GPE version of the HTC One M8 seems like about the best thing to try. Any thoughts on how this ROM works?
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GPE is essentially pure AOSP. just comes with google apps etc. I personally love it, I just came over from the galaxy s4 a few days ago where I was running the GPE rom there and it was my favorite rom ive ever ran on any phone. I haven't used sense in so long im enjoying it right now, still running stock rooted s-off with xposed, but when I do start roming ill prolly just go straight to GPE.

I'll stick with sense IMO, many more features, very fast , and unparalleled functionality.
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I've used the GPE rom for a few days and the sense based roms as well. In my experience it seems the GPE needs a custom kernel because there are a few things not working properly, the camera for example, and the overall experience is sluggish compared to the sense based roms. Stick with anything sense based right now, run a different launcher, and use xposed, that combo is killer and you get all the speed you can handle. Give the GPE a few more weeks and it'll probably be in full working order, at which time I'll definitely be going to it. So nice having a clean rom that was explicitly made for this phone from the manufacturer.

GPE isnt as good as some ASOP roms IMO. I typically run SlimKat, but there are many more out there.

Has lack of 3rd party "official roms" changed much?

So generally speaking I've always stuck to sister phones of nexus devices. My Samsung Captivate was sorta the "nexus with an SD card" in terms of being identical to the Nexus S, the LG Optimus G was "4g + SD Card Nexus" and I never really had any problems running roms with the latest version of Android. Running nightlys and experimental software wasn't such a big deal because it allowed me to keep my phone up to date long after it would have been updated otherwise.
The general lack of desire to stand behind the stability of a particular version coupled with a general lack of "stable" releases kinda has me jaded when I can just keep rolling with the newest version of Android officially.
It has made me wonder if there are any "stable rolling release" versions of roms? Like "here is the stable rolling release, once a week we push the latest stable versions and features from our nightles over the last month!" Letting those who want to try the newest upgrades immediately have nightly and letting people who want the latest version of android with more tweaks get the version that suits them the most?
Edit: I'm not really asking for specific ROM recommendations so much as ROM trends in general.

Many AOSP roms do this.. We can't recommend Roma to you because those comparisons are against the rules but the ROM I use (slim) has weekly builds and then a monthly stable.
The stable has a code freeze a while before release to extend testing to ensure it is stable but the weeklies are stable too.
The devs also post personal test builds in between the weeklies for those who want to test particular new functions.
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rootSU said:
Many AOSP roms do this.. We can't recommend Roma to you because those comparisons are against the rules but the ROM I use (slim) has weekly builds and then a monthly stable.
The stable has a code freeze a while before release to extend testing to ensure it is stable but the weeklies are stable too.
The devs also post personal test builds in between the weeklies for those who want to test particular new functions.
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My mistake I should have phrased the original thread more carefully and I'll edit it after this.
I was more looking at general ROM trends as opposed to looking for a specific ROM.

Many AOSP roms do this
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Snow_fox said:
So generally speaking I've always stuck to sister phones of nexus devices. My Samsung Captivate was sorta the "nexus with an SD card" in terms of being identical to the Nexus S, the LG Optimus G was "4g + SD Card Nexus" and I never really had any problems running roms with the latest version of Android. Running nightlys and experimental software wasn't such a big deal because it allowed me to keep my phone up to date long after it would have been updated otherwise.
The general lack of desire to stand behind the stability of a particular version coupled with a general lack of "stable" releases kinda has me jaded when I can just keep rolling with the newest version of Android officially.
It has made me wonder if there are any "stable rolling release" versions of roms? Like "here is the stable rolling release, once a week we push the latest stable versions and features from our nightles over the last month!" Letting those who want to try the newest upgrades immediately have nightly and letting people who want the latest version of android with more tweaks get the version that suits them the most?
Edit: I'm not really asking for specific ROM recommendations so much as ROM trends in general.
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your "sister" phones in reality have nothing to do with the nexus, and are not similar. the only similarities they have is using the same kind of cpu, but tweaked completely differently. maybe the same screens as well. all the other internals are completely different. completely different as in your "sister" phones are nothing like their nexus counterparts. so unlike nexus, that i would never call them a "sister" phone.
and there are many completely stable aosp roms out there for the n5.

I really don't see a point in releasing "Stable Releases" with a nexus device. With a Nexus device, the whole source is there for developers and the device is fully unlocked. So most likely, if a dev knows what they are doing, there shouldn't be very many bugs, if any at all. It would be mainly feature additions and whatever else the dev wants to add.
Now with Non Nexus devices, it's a little harder to get EVERYTHING working since the devices are usually locked down and all. So "Stable releases" are kind of a bigger deal.
That's my view on it anyway.

the thing about android is that someone somewhere is finding something new everyday, and waiting around for the release of monthly releases of roms kinda puts the users off("ohh active notifications!" "wow heads up notification" "can i get the <insert fancy OEM specific feature here> in my device?"). I for one, coming from an XMP which had rom's being updated once every two week found it hard in the N5 community where the nightlies where more common.
The thing is you have to keep changing fast and there is always room for improvement so there can never be a "stable" version just short term triumphs.

The thing is, there isn't much need for "stable" builds anymore, the nightlies for most ROMs are really stable and daily driver capable (of course sometimes something doesn't work right here and there, but generally). Some have Delta updates too so you don't need to flash the entire ROM over each nightly, kind of like daily OTAs.

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I really don't see a point in releasing "Stable Releases" with a nexus device. With a Nexus device, the whole source is there for developers and the device is fully unlocked. So most likely, if a dev knows what they are doing, there shouldn't be very many bugs, if any at all. It would be mainly feature additions and whatever else the dev wants to add.
Now with Non Nexus devices, it's a little harder to get EVERYTHING working since the devices are usually locked down and all. So "Stable releases" are kind of a bigger deal.
That's my view on it anyway.
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Out of curiosity is the same true for the Play edition devices? With that said I was thinking about ROMs in general not ROMs specific to devices. I'd also argue (having worked QA professionally) the need to check new features added ranges drastically depending on what you want to add to the device.
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the thing about android is that someone somewhere is finding something new everyday, and waiting around for the release of monthly releases of roms kinda puts the users off("ohh active notifications!" "wow heads up notification" "can i get the <insert fancy OEM specific feature here> in my device?"). I for one, coming from an XMP which had rom's being updated once every two week found it hard in the N5 community where the nightlies where more common.
The thing is you have to keep changing fast and there is always room for improvement so there can never be a "stable" version just short term triumphs.
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As someone who loves new features I find the "additives" as great. I've also found just having the latest version of Android with a working stable feature set is pretty cool too.
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The thing is, there isn't much need for "stable" builds anymore, the nightlies for most ROMs are really stable and daily driver capable (of course sometimes something doesn't work right here and there, but generally). Some have Delta updates too so you don't need to flash the entire ROM over each nightly, kind of like daily OTAs.
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I might look into the Delta Updates. There are a few things I do miss about ROMs such as being able to close all active windows and stuff. I just don't miss how some ROMs basically were just a conglomeration of shoving as much stuff into one ROM as possible regardless of how it ended up.

Snow_fox said:
Out of curiosity is the same true for the Play edition devices? With that said I was thinking about ROMs in general not ROMs specific to devices. I'd also argue (having worked QA professionally) the need to check new features added ranges drastically depending on what you want to add to the device.
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Google Play Edition devices aren't the same as Nexus devices, they just use a more "AOSP-like" ROM that doesn't have the respective OEM skin on top of it. Not sure if bootloader unlocking process is different (Nexus devices have fastboot oem unlock) but the stock ROM on them still has some parts of the OEM framework underneath (like double tap to wake and duo camera editing on HTC One M8). The Nexus 5 is more popular then Google Play Edition devices and which is why it subsequently has more developer support.

Lethargy said:
Google Play Edition devices aren't the same as Nexus devices, they just use a more "AOSP-like" ROM that doesn't have the respective OEM skin on top of it. Not sure if bootloader unlocking process is different (Nexus devices have fastboot oem unlock) but the stock ROM on them still has some parts of the OEM framework underneath (like double tap to wake and duo camera editing on HTC One M8). The Nexus 5 is more popular then Google Play Edition devices and which is why it subsequently has more developer support.
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This makes sense. I didn't know if the Play Edition devices still had OEM fragments or if they were as free as the Nexus series.

Heavy oem frameworks
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To be fair, there was a pretty significant gap between 4.2 releasing on the Nexus 4 and Cyanogenmod releasing 10.2 stable. As mentioned though, many of the ROMs have released stable versions and those that haven't are still fairly stable despite not having an "official" stable release.
I will say that I'm less likely to stick with a ROM despite bugs on Nexus devices than on other devices for two main reasons. With other devices, you're often getting rid of a manufacturer skin (so it's a completely different interface, instead of just having some tweaks) or you're moving up an Android version early.

Its worth pointing out that some devs only call their last ever release "stable" when they absolutely won't add or change anything again.
I think it's too easy to get wrapped up in the terminology and not appreciate the development we have
What a stable release means to 1 dev, means something else to another.
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nearly every single ROM that I've ever used that has been titled "stable", has been less stable then the regular builds. especially with cm. a real ROM is neither called " stable" nor "experimental", its just called by its name and released. people add the word "stable" to them just to trick a few into a few more downloads.

There number of quotation marks in here is too damn high.

For good reason...
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[Q] How do you feel about Cyanogen Inc?

Its been over a year now since Cyanogen Inc launched and produced its first release on a commercial product. Many of us bought a OnePlus One because Cyanogen provides fast updates and a smoother cleaner experience than most manufacturer flavours of Android. Has Cyanogen lived up to your expectations?

I couldn't care less about cm inc. I got the one+one for the spec and style. Good luck to cm inc on there travel to better things. New os would be nice...I mean not just a Google copy with mods.
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Didn't buy a Cyanogen phone, i bought an Oppo....

I don't care what Cyanogen Inc. does, I just love my phone. I honestly don't care about official updates. When I can have the latest and greatest by just flashing an unofficial rom. IMHO.

I actually don't care about cm12s official update because I'm running great 5.x ROMs since at least 3 months ... But one thing is sure: I wouldn't have interested in this device if it hadn't had the CyanogenMod trademark.

New to Moto G, few simple questions

Hello /G/,
I just got my Moro G LTE 1st Gen and I have a couple of simple questions. I am aware that some are more opinion based so I'd love anyone personal input.
1) Is Lollipop out yet for the G?
2) Are there any really good AOSP based ROMS? If so what ones do you recommend? I'm not really a big CM fan.
3) What are the top kernels that offer best mix of Battery/performance?
4) Are any Moto X features portable/ported?
Typically I prefer Stock or AOSP ROM's with just a couple of tweaks and a good solid kernel, so that is what I also intend to run on this phone as well.
Thanks for any/all input.

knitler said:
Hello /G/,
I just got my Moro G LTE 1st Gen and I have a couple of simple questions. I am aware that some are more opinion based so I'd love anyone personal input.
1) Is Lollipop out yet for the G?
2) Are there any really good AOSP based ROMS? If so what ones do you recommend? I'm not really a big CM fan.
3) What are the top kernels that offer best mix of Battery/performance?
4) Are any Moto X features portable/ported?
Typically I prefer Stock or AOSP ROM's with just a couple of tweaks and a good solid kernel, so that is what I also intend to run on this phone as well.
Thanks for any/all input.
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1) Yes
2) Yes, CM, OmniRom, LiquidSmooth etc.
3) Least bloatware should give best performance/battery?
4) No idea.
If you value your privacy I would not install GPE. I am also in the process of finding a "clean" rom. Or making one.

[Q] Difference between AOSP and GPE

Hello!
In the forums there are some really good ROM options. Because I like to be as slim as possible with the software on my phone, I prefer vanilla-like ROMs. In this case, there are two for the Moto G that seem very similar, and I would like someone to tell me the differences. One is the GPE ROM made by lost101. The other one is an AOSP build made by Alberto97.
I can understand that a difference are the apps included on each ROM. But as I can modify those after installing any of the ROMs, I would like to know if there are any technical differences between them (like drivers or internal code optimizations), something that goes beyond UI or apps. I would like the get the "fastest performance".
Any help is appreciated. Thanks!

I am not able to go into detail but I can tell you that the GPE one, since it's based on an official release by Motorola, is much more stable and trustworthy for me. I've tested countless roms and the optimized GPE one by lost101 is by far the best. Other roms are built from scratch by excellent devs, but they always end up having various problems for me... Apps that don't work the way they should, bloatware, missing or cryptic features...
Anyway, that is just my opinion.

Although I don't know why, GPE includes some proprietary frameworks and stuff, and therefore is pretty large and heavy. You might not feel it when using, though.
As for me, I'll recommend AOSP any day. Not even CM, if you want to be as light as possible.
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GPE is Motorola's version of AOSP with their own additions like proprietary drivers and apps. AOSP is the base of all Android ROMs so its as minimal as you can get

Thanks, everyone!
From your answers, I understand that the GPE version includes proprietary software from Motorola. I would suppose that these changes are for optimizations on performance and stability, so I think I will go with that as in the end the experience should be improved with those, right?