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What is the best rom to use?

I'm confused about the whole ROM thing. I want to install custom ROM's in my phone, but what is the difference between Android Revolution HD, Cyanogen 7 and Leedroid? Which one is the best? What do they do? How do they differ from the stock Sense 3.0 that is on the Sensation?
I love the Sense 3.0 and it's interface. As long as the bloatware is gone, some new additions are added on to it, and if it was a little more snappy and quick. I'm lost!

All of the ROMs out now are Sense based so you wont have trouble finding one you like. Read each of their threads to see what changes have been made. Honestly, they're all pretty similar. I would go with one that has a lot of users and is updated frequently. Revolution HD fits the bill nicely at the moment.

It's like buying a car...will a Toyota Camry fit the needs of EVERY SINGLE PERSON OUT THERE? Probably not. Everyone has different needs and wants, you have to figure it out yourself.
Think of ROMs as like cars. Test out the ROMs and see which one you like the most.

Galaxy S4 software on Galaxy S3

Hi guys Happy 4th of July!
Question is: I am liking the Galaxy S4 a lot and I don't have an upgrade available until Oct/2014. Is there any ROM for the S3 that is similar to the Galaxy S4? or does anyone knows of any specials anywhere where I can upgrade now instead of waiting so long?
Best,
M

Remember you can only get so close to the s4 software, as the hardware is entirely different, the software is usually based on the hArdware.but there is the s4 voice,s4 launcher, there's a couple of roms similar to the s4 can't think of any rite now but it's very easily found in the forum.
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Remember you can only get so close to the s4 software, as the hardware is entirely different, the software is usually based on the hArdware.but there is the s4 voice,s4 launcher, there's a couple of roms similar to the s4 can't think of any rite now but it's very easily found in the forum.
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Thanks

I think the major issue is the S4 is 4.2 based and our devices are still on 4.1. I remember when I was on my Incredible we got sense 3 and 3.5 ROMs once our gingerbread leak came out, so I'm guessing we'd need a 4.2 based touchwiz kernel for our device before we could get the S4's 4.2 based ROM ported to our device.
Even if we get 4.2 (it would be about 8-9 months from now) there's no guarantee it would work out that way. Many of our devs have already moved on to the S4 or other devices so they might not be interested in porting that for us. It may not even be possible - consistencies don't always apply in the technology world, even if we have a 4.2 kernel there might be some other reason why a port isn't possible.
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Div033 said:
I think the major issue is the S4 is 4.2 based and our devices are still on 4.1. I remember when I was on my Incredible we got sense 3 and 3.5 ROMs once our gingerbread leak came out, so I'm guessing we'd need a 4.2 based touchwiz kernel for our device before we could get the S4's 4.2 based ROM ported to our device.
Even if we get 4.2 (it would be about 8-9 months from now) there's no guarantee it would work out that way. Many of our devs have already moved on to the S4 or other devices so they might not be interested in porting that for us. It may not even be possible - consistencies don't always apply in the technology world, even if we have a 4.2 kernel there might be some other reason why a port isn't possible.
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So what ROM would be the most similar to the one on the S4? I am running CleanRom 6.2 and I like it but is there any other option?

Div033 said:
I think the major issue is the S4 is 4.2 based and our devices are still on 4.1. I remember when I was on my Incredible we got sense 3 and 3.5 ROMs once our gingerbread leak came out, so I'm guessing we'd need a 4.2 based touchwiz kernel for our device before we could get the S4's 4.2 based ROM ported to our device.
Even if we get 4.2 (it would be about 8-9 months from now) there's no guarantee it would work out that way. Many of our devs have already moved on to the S4 or other devices so they might not be interested in porting that for us. It may not even be possible - consistencies don't always apply in the technology world, even if we have a 4.2 kernel there might be some other reason why a port isn't possible.
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It is not as simple as having 4.2 kernel plus you have to better your explanation as we have Google AOSP 4.2 just not touchwiz 4.2. It is more to do with the hardware as it is easier to port from phones with similar hardware then it is to port from a phone with different specs. The best alternative is to port the apps and make an app like windows 8 launcher and Xperia Z launcher. So there isn't a "might be " there is another reason and that is hardware inconsistencies.

docmarioce said:
So what ROM would be the most similar to the one on the S4? I am running CleanRom 6.2 and I like it but is there any other option?
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Your best bet is to use a stock-ish MF1 based rom (cleanrom isn't up to date) and find + install a S4 apps package compatible with the S3. The S4 launcher and clock works fairly well on our phones. I don't think there are any roms that aim to mimic the S4 experience exclusively. They all have different theming elements with S4 apps here and there.
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It is not as simple as having 4.2 kernel plus you have to better your explanation as we have Google AOSP 4.2 just not touchwiz 4.2. It is more to do with the hardware as it is easier to port from phones with similar hardware then it is to port from a phone with different specs. The best alternative is to port the apps and make an app like windows 8 launcher and Xperia Z launcher. So there isn't a "might be " there is another reason and that is hardware inconsistencies.
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Sure, no problem.
The reason we're able to have a working 4.2 kernel for AOSP is because we're not reliant on Samsung's kernel source for that side of development. AOSP is completely open source as opposed to touchwiz which has proprietary framework that's closed source.
You mention hardware differences. I know things have changed drastically since GB, so perhaps the argument I'm about to make is invalid. On the Incredible we got roms from the Runnymede which had 100% completely different hardware. It had a chipset which was many generations ahead yet devs still managed to get Sense 3.5 roms running on a device which was not intended to run anything beyond Sense 1.0. It wasn't possible til we had a GB leak made for our phone (still sense 1.0). This is due to proprietary sense framework built in at the kernel level which the devs relied on for porting - they needed the updated 2.3 version of the sense bits. I know touchwiz isn't sense, so I could be making a bad comparison here, but saying "the hardware is too different" isn't a valid reason for porting to not be possible. It could be a very similar setup. I'm not familiar enough with touchwiz to be able to make that distinction though.
These Sense 3.5 roms were marred with several issues which ultimately made them impractical to use as a daily driver. This was mainly due to how outdated the incredible was and that it simply didn't have the resources to run the software adequately. They did get it working really well considering the limitations. It's also interesting to note that the development of the incredible still continues to this day with unofficial CM 10.1 roms. It's pretty amazing what these devs are actually capable of. It's just about getting the right dev interested enough to invest the time doing it.

Div033 said:
Your best bet is to use a stock-ish MF1 based rom (cleanrom isn't up to date) and find + install a S4 apps package compatible with the S3. The S4 launcher and clock works fairly well on our phones. I don't think there are any roms that aim to mimic the S4 experience exclusively. They all have different theming elements with S4 apps here and there.
Sure, no problem.
The reason we're able to have a working 4.2 kernel for AOSP is because we're not reliant on Samsung's kernel source for that side of development. AOSP is completely open source as opposed to touchwiz which has proprietary framework that's closed source.
You mention hardware differences. I know things have changed drastically since GB, so perhaps the argument I'm about to make is invalid. On the Incredible we got roms from the Runnymede which had 100% completely different hardware. It had a chipset which was many generations ahead yet devs still managed to get Sense 3.5 roms running on a device which was not intended to run anything beyond Sense 1.0. It wasn't possible til we had a GB leak made for our phone (still sense 1.0). This is due to proprietary sense framework built in at the kernel level which the devs relied on for porting - they needed the updated 2.3 version of the sense bits. I know touchwiz isn't sense, so I could be making a bad comparison here, but saying "the hardware is too different" isn't a valid reason for porting to not be possible. It could be a very similar setup. I'm not familiar enough with touchwiz to be able to make that distinction though.
These Sense 3.5 roms were marred with several issues which ultimately made them impractical to use as a daily driver. This was mainly due to how outdated the incredible was and that it simply didn't have the resources to run the software adequately. They did get it working really well considering the limitations. It's also interesting to note that the development of the incredible still continues to this day with unofficial CM 10.1 roms. It's pretty amazing what these devs are actually capable of. It's just about getting the right dev interested enough to invest the time doing it.
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True the sense 3 and 3.5 wasn't really good. We do have a Note 2,MIUI, and Sense 5 port for our devices and will likely to get ubuntu touch as soon as it is stable. Problem is that most of the developers don't have that much free time to attempt an international S3 or an US S4 port so they do what they can with the time they have.

jmxc23 said:
True the sense 3 and 3.5 wasn't really good. We do have a Note 2,MIUI, and Sense 5 port for our devices and will likely to get ubuntu touch as soon as it is stable. Problem is that most of the developers don't have that much free time to attempt an international S3 or an US S4 port so they do what they can with the time they have.
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I definitely agree; time is a huge issue. I'm assuming it's much more work porting a 4.2 based rom than it is a 2.3 based one. There's a good chance it's not worth the time investment considering the potentially buggy outcome.
Also, I apologize for assuming you didn't have any experience with earlier phones. Your join date threw me off

Div033 said:
I definitely agree; time is a huge issue. I'm assuming it's much more work porting a 4.2 based rom than it is a 2.3 based one. There's a good chance it's not worth the time investment considering the potentially buggy outcome.
Also, I apologize for assuming you didn't have any experience with earlier phones. Your join date threw me off
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I learn fast as the S3 is my first android device and within 3 days of buying the phone I rooted it and started flashing roms. I had ample opportunities to root/jailbreak my previous phones but waited until developers come up with better methods. As for the opening poster's question he will have to get the S4 launcher app and flash some of the S4 apps.

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Might get an M8vzw soon, wanna see how development is

So I had planned to stick with my old d2vzw (Verizon S3) through next year, but I think it just physically died on me. So I may need to upgrade way, way sooner.
The M8, I believe is the only phone on Verizon currently capable of flashing AOSP based ROMs. Can anyone chime in with how development is?
I've seen Liquid (my fav) and a GPE port are on this forum, but I don't see anything else. How is the ROM selection overall?
I can't leave Verizon, not an option. I hate them so ****ing much.

I am loving the GPE rom. Haven't had any issues at all.

There's a lot more roms available than just the ones you see on the VZW M8 forum. Check out the development forums on the regular M8 forum. Most of them work on Verizon but you need to read to make sure a given rom works on Verizon phones.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/htc-one-m8

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There's a lot more roms available than just the ones you see on the VZW M8 forum. Check out the development forums on the regular M8 forum. Most of them work on Verizon but you need to read to make sure a given rom works on Verizon phones.
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Wow I was missing out on a lot of roms I thought roms were only compatible in this forum
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There's plenty of roms and tweaks available for the m8. I personally recommend it. I'm using the viperone Rom which is my fav as of right now.
HTC ONE M8?

LiquidSmooth, CleanROM, Vanir, AOKP, CM, BadSeed, InsertCoin, Viper, GPE, SlimROM, Pac-Man, Paranoid Android, etc. The usuals are all present and accounted for.
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I'm using the Google Play Edition ROM and couldn't be happier.

TenderloinShadow said:
So I had planned to stick with my old d2vzw (Verizon S3) through next year, but I think it just physically died on me. So I may need to upgrade way, way sooner.
The M8, I believe is the only phone on Verizon currently capable of flashing AOSP based ROMs. Can anyone chime in with how development is?
I've seen Liquid (my fav) and a GPE port are on this forum, but I don't see anything else. How is the ROM selection overall?
I can't leave Verizon, not an option. I hate them so ****ing much.
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M8 is not the only vz phone that has AOSP ROMs available, G2, Moto X for an example. just have to look.

I've always been partial to CM myself. Love the M8, by far the best phone ever IMHO. I've used gpe port and viper but keep going back to cm.
If you want to get into development, I've never seen any project as well documented as cm. Their wiki can take any noob and have them building from source in just a couple hours.
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Greetings

Hello community
I haven't been here for 3-4 years (member since 2007) but I'm back as I need help. I was very big on ROM changing from early days of Windows phones (MDA, Wing, Tytn 2, etc) and later just about every Android I owned. But since 2012, I've been nothing but a Nexus user and due to pure stock OS, I stopped modding. I came accross a sealed T-Mob version of Note 3 (I'm on US T-Mob network) for a super low price and decided to pick it up while I wait for 6p to be available in configuration that I want. My question is this, should I invest some time and work into modding Note 3? I despise skins, touchwizz more then any other one but with Google now launcher, I can go around it. But that doesn't change drop down menu, settings menu, bloatware (most hated of all things). Since I've been out of the game for a while, I was wondering if there was a toolkit to help me install AOSP that will maintain good radio and kernel. Something like WugFresh used to be for Nexus 4. Thanks a bunch and glad to be back.

CM is very light compared to touchwise but for maximum spen performance you will need a TW based rom even tho you can get many of the functions for CM but it's just not the same. You can get TW roms completely debloated.
I suggest you flash a TW rom and test it for a few days and then CM to make up your mind about what you need and what not. Personally I prefer TW for spen functions over CM but had I had a phone without spen I would go for CM no matter what phone I had. TW + spen is by fare best in my opinion but everyone has there own views. You can still use other launchers with TW but you just need the TW framework for spen to work so if you like the Google now then use that on TW.
Toolkits for modding I would suggest tikklemyandroid and for flashing stuff there is a kit called my toolkit I think which is available for all the note 2, 3 and 4.
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Not sure if you choose right section for opening this thread
But if you are about to do something, leave the TW bs alone, work for ANDROID 6.0
Thanks and welcome home.

This phone is depressing! A few thoughts and ramblings...

First off let me say that I love this phone. The build quality while not the best is good enough and the materials used come together very nicely. The Moto X also has all the features I am looking for (quick charge, nice screen, stereo front facing speakers, expandable storage and unlocked and rootable!).
So why am I depressed about it?
The phone seems to not be as popular as it deserves and with that it doesn't get the massive amounts of support of other inferior devices. After owning this phone since October I have tried my hardest to grow to love the stock firmware as it is so close to google's. However (I'm not sure how many of you will agree with me here), I am very fond of CM and seeing that the Moto G 2015 has been officially supported for what feels like forever now I'm not sure the Moto X will ever be.
I know there are dedicated individuals working hard to further development projects for this device and I am very grateful for that. It just feels like the community for this phone is very small which has caught me off guard because the device seemingly has everything most people could want.
Anyways, I'm not entirely sure why I wrote this but I'd like to hear your guys' thoughts and opinions.

I agree with you that I was assuming there would be way more support for this phone and I also though it would be easier to mess with as far as rooting and such. I'm no developer or self proclaimed rooting expert but it seems like if you are on android 6.0 stock it's not that easy to get rooted or downgrade to 5.x and root. I thought being unlocked and so near stock that this would all be a breeze but ever since I unrooted and upgraded to stock 6.0 rooting again is a pretty big undertaking. I'm not complaining here I do really like the stock OS but I love messing with the OS too. Here's to hoping some time in the near future there is a solid root option for stock 6.0

When I first seen the title I was like 'really'?/But as iv read further , there's one spot on point I agree with you on...
I expected the this phone to be one of the more popular, development wise, rom wise.
So when I first came to XDA and looked in the Moto X Pure section, WOW, I was sadly SADLY surprised.
3 CURRENT ROMS. are you joking me?
I told my self once the kernel source(or whatever) was released, THAT'S when things would change, that is when the list would grow..... IT HAS NOT THO....
THIS has been a let down. When I buy a phone, I want to be sure bec to me, its a hassle to do Re-Sale on EBay or Swappa or CL, Its just a hassle, I don't want to do it, Unless I absolutely have to. SO I'm sticking with the phone I buy most likely. So I'm sticking with it.
I could have spent 100 more to get the 6p, but at that time, everyone was talking DOWN the 6p, plus its a tad too big for me, I didn't want it then. Given the unpopularity in development this phone surprisingly is, it would be nice to have the 6p, but to me, going through the resale hassle, I think I'll pass.
Lastly, to the OP of this Post. I agree on one point, its very very surprising the unpopularity of the phone STILL. It's almost unexplainable.
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Ive been a long time lg and htc user prior to this.... Yes theres few roms but heres my take.... while lg g2 g3 g4 have lots of roms activities and users... Let me tell you how it works... First most of the ppl on there only complain about bugs and how they bricked their phones or complain of the hideous lg stock rom lag and interface... Then they flash bug filled. Aosp roms and complain about bugs and camera etc..... Wit moto x ppl dont have to be active in the forum bc first.. Stock rom is aosp... ....... Everything just works and feels great... And you can falsh optimized stock rom and ull have stability of stock roms+fluidness of aosp roms...(no need for users to stick around to complain... They jt flash they're rom and are of to enjoy it) You jt cant lose with this phone!!!! I appreciate the heck out of my fone and of mostly intelligent satisfied users!!!! Im my opinion this phone is second to only the nexus 6p right now.... And well the reason i have this is bc i got it for a measly 83$ on a amazing deal on ebay... Anyways. Thats alll... My opinion is complete
Edit.... Oh and ive nvr owned a phone with a signal quality even close to this one... Its baffling how much better it is then it was on my m8 or g3 or g4...

I came from the LG G4, what they did there is they got a well known Cyanogen Dev to agree to support that device if they helped him get it.
They got Codeworkx, (a great developer btw) and he jump started development right away squashing bugs left and right.
Maybe they can do that here? get a well known Developer to agree and see if they can get donations going for him.
I know things like this have gone down south before with devs not commiting and dropping/selling the device right away.
But there are good devs are there that are commited but just dont have funds to get devices.

Historically, the moto x line has never had much development. My own personal opinion is because there isn't much need: updates come fast, stock moto features are excellent, and performance tends to be very good and there is very little bloat. Other than the nexus line, where the devs have source code to work with, devices that come with good software tend to get less developer interest.
Obviously there are exceptions to this, just my observations after owning many phones over the years.

I just got the X for my dad and i believe its perfect for him (not so sure about the large display though), but he won't be messing around with ROMs and stuff.
However, I simply can't decide between this and the 5x for myself (6P is out of my budget). I love everything the X Style offers but I dread that I will soon get bored of the stock experience and crave for the bells and whistles that custom ROMs offer. The downside to flashing a ROM on the X is you lose out on Moto Display, Voice, Actions, and Assist--is that not the case? If I'm not mistaken, isn't Moto's implementation of these features significantly better than those found in CM?

I will echo what's been said and maybe add some points of my own. I love this phone I do, and maybe the fact that it has no issues is the issue but I also love seeing what else there is out there as far as rom's etc. I have yet to even root/unlock this phone because I almost see no major reason. I mean major, I know there's some xposed modules and whatnot but I used to love/hate trying out new roms just to see what they're like even with the bugs. I've moved on from the whole hack your phone scene but only because it seems to be less and less fun. Maybe the fact that the moto x pure is great as is, is the issue. No reason to really change anything. It's a good problem to have I guess.

roofrider said:
I just got the X for my dad and i believe its perfect for him (not so sure about the large display though), but he won't be messing around with ROMs and stuff.
However, I simply can't decide between this and the 5x for myself (6P is out of my budget). I love everything the X Style offers but I dread that I will soon get bored of the stock experience and crave for the bells and whistles that custom ROMs offer. The downside to flashing a ROM on the X is you lose out on Moto Display, Voice, Actions, and Assist--is that not the case? If I'm not mistaken, isn't Moto's implementation of these features significantly better than those found in CM?
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Moto's implementation is MUCH better than you'll find on any rom and/or xposed module. You will not find touchless display and moto voice that work well anywhere else. Also, you can get bells and whistles by installing gravitybox on stock-based roms. I've ran cm12.1/13 on my oneplus one for nearly a year and since switching to the moto x with gravitybox, I don't miss a thing.

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Ive been a long time lg and htc user prior to this.... Yes theres few roms but heres my take.... while lg g2 g3 g4 have lots of roms activities and users... Let me tell you how it works... First most of the ppl on there only complain about bugs and how they bricked their phones or complain of the hideous lg stock rom lag and interface... Then they flash bug filled. Aosp roms and complain about bugs and camera etc..... Wit moto x ppl dont have to be active in the forum bc first.. Stock rom is aosp... ....... Everything just works and feels great... And you can falsh optimized stock rom and ull have stability of stock roms+fluidness of aosp roms...(no need for users to stick around to complain... They jt flash they're rom and are of to enjoy it) You jt cant lose with this phone!!!! I appreciate the heck out of my fone and of mostly intelligent satisfied users!!!! Im my opinion this phone is second to only the nexus 6p right now.... And well the reason i have this is bc i got it for a measly 83$ on a amazing deal on ebay... Anyways. Thats alll... My opinion is complete[emoji14]
Edit.... Oh and ive nvr owned a phone with a signal quality even close to this one... Its baffling how much better it is then it was on my m8 or g3 or g4...
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Good points. I do wish we had a bit more variety rom wise tho.
Yeah 6p was just out my price range at the time, and also it wasnt as popular of a Choice at its launch as its been more recently.
For me specifically, I consume a lot of media, so speakers are a bit more important to me than some others, and was close to the most important feature I was looking for. I came from the htc M7, so when I heard the MXPE, I was not disappointed. As someone else said, this phone probably has the best speakers on a phone, even the 6p...... based on reviews and YouTube videos only.
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Theres not much to fix on this device, if and when CM gets official, you will see more rom in the dev section.
I love this phone that it doesnt get in my way and works just how I want it, heck I dont even keep tapatalk on my phone anymore since I never need to come here look for fixes or improvements

it is just 6months of release.. i think rom numbers and kernel numbers will improve over time...also the processor is almost new...there is very less work on msm8992...
also no vendor gives updates so fast.
LGs,HTCs,Samsungs take forever to update

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I agree with you that I was assuming there would be way more support for this phone and I also though it would be easier to mess with as far as rooting and such. I'm no developer or self proclaimed rooting expert but it seems like if you are on android 6.0 stock it's not that easy to get rooted or downgrade to 5.x and root. I thought being unlocked and so near stock that this would all be a breeze but ever since I unrooted and upgraded to stock 6.0 rooting again is a pretty big undertaking. I'm not complaining here I do really like the stock OS but I love messing with the OS too. Here's to hoping some time in the near future there is a solid root option for stock 6.0
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Unlock the bootloader, flash twrp through platform tools(adb-fastboot), flash chainfire supersu systemless root, it takes 10 min.

Yes, there are less ROMs compared to many other phones, but you must consider that most other phones don't come with a nearly pure Android experience. Those custom ROMs all try to focus on AOSP/CM builds that provide a pure Android experience along with extra features. This phone just doesn't need that as much.
Personally, I use to love flashing different ROMs to find the one that provides the best performance and feature set combination. This phone already has the performance, and Xposed and Layers provide all the features and custom look as desired. We also have a few solid kernels, too.
If you need a lot of ROMs, pick a phone that has a manufacturer-built version of Android that developers want to replace or a Nexus phone
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The stock ROM, rooted with Xposed and GravityBox can cover most of what a custom ROM can give you. And without the bugs.

Faint333 said:
First off let me say that I love this phone. The build quality while not the best is good enough and the materials used come together very nicely. The Moto X also has all the features I am looking for (quick charge, nice screen, stereo front facing speakers, expandable storage and unlocked and rootable!).
So why am I depressed about it?
The phone seems to not be as popular as it deserves and with that it doesn't get the massive amounts of support of other inferior devices. After owning this phone since October I have tried my hardest to grow to love the stock firmware as it is so close to google's. However (I'm not sure how many of you will agree with me here), I am very fond of CM and seeing that the Moto G 2015 has been officially supported for what feels like forever now I'm not sure the Moto X will ever be.
I know there are dedicated individuals working hard to further development projects for this device and I am very grateful for that. It just feels like the community for this phone is very small which has caught me off guard because the device seemingly has everything most people could want.
Anyways, I'm not entirely sure why I wrote this but I'd like to hear your guys' thoughts and opinions.
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It's not depressing if you have Xposed framework and VZW Unlimited Data. I may keep this phone for 1-2 years instead of upgrading every 6 months.

I agree, just got this phone the other day and i thought there'd be a lot of rom support, easy rooting, more mods, etc. Kind of a shame for a very good phone.

About the camera
My main complaint about this phone after owning a LG G4 and Galaxy S6 is the lack of the camera 2 API. Why after virtually bringing this feature on board of the Google Nexus 6 and claming that this phone have a comparable camera to last year's flagships, they take away something out, that us owners are more than capable of taking advantage. The camera is good, but could be better, and if they don't feel like doing it we should've been able to do something about it. Dumb move Motorola.

One problem with this phone is that it has to have qcoms multi Sim implementation. So you will not see (m)any AOSP based ROM's.
This because it is a lot of work to make multi Sim work. And yes the implementation of Qualcomm multi Sim is different then the aosp implementation.
You will only see CM based custom ROM's or stock based modifications. CM based ROM's because CM has a lot more resources to integrate this.
(I tried to get omnirom working, but ran into the multi Sim problem).

the design was good but i got tired of the lag and overheating, even on the s808 chip. went to the iphone 6s for 2 months then im back on droid but with a nexus 6p. best device ive had, no lag or overheating, great support. maybe the OP should consider buying it.
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JOSE89178 said:
I agree, just got this phone the other day and i thought there'd be a lot of rom support, easy rooting, more mods, etc. Kind of a shame for a very good phone.
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alot of it has to do with levono buying moto and the uncertain future of the moto line. plus the fact moto seems to drop support easily.