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[DEV-REQ] SBC Kernel

I looked around but it doesnt appear that we dont have an sbc kernel, so Im calling out to see if as dev would be willing to make one.

i second that. we def need sbc for nexus s and nexus s 4g. i love the phone, but it never charges to 100% always stalls at 94-95. I have used SBC on evo since it came it came out. never had any issues. and the battery life was amazing. hopefully someone takes the initiative and cooks a sbc kernel.
thanx in advance

zikronix said:
I looked around but it doesnt appear that we dont have an sbc kernel, so Im calling out to see if as dev would be willing to make one.
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I think netarchy said it would not be possible on the ns 4g. He also recommends not using them anyway. I trust his judgement

The jury is out on that one. The SBC for the evo I used since the beginning and never had an issue, just amazing battery life. Though I am getting great battery life on this phone too. Not sure what the complaints are. Try an evo first then come to the nexus. The difference will be astounding.
•••Nexus S 4G•••

mikeyinid said:
I think netarchy said it would not be possible on the ns 4g. He also recommends not using them anyway. I trust his judgement
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it can be done. i respect netarchy's opinion, but at the end of the day its his opinion. not a fact. like many others i haven't had a single issue with SBC on my evo. if netarchy is worried about causing damage to the phone we shouldnt be using custom kernels at all. we should't be OC . he is contradicting himself. like i said i respect his work and his opinion, but it should be upto people to decide if they want to install SBC or not. SBC is just as bad as OC your phone. At the end of the day with OC you might ruin your phone with SBC you will just ruin your battery. i am willing to take that chance. i hope and wish someone will incorporate SBC. Hopefully its Tiamat. his kernels are a piece of work. i have used all of their kernels for my evo (netarchy, savaged, tiamat) and tiamat came out victorious time and time again.

SBC is for HTC kernels, you crazy bastards
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matt2053 said:
SBC is for HTC kernels, you crazy bastards
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Lol, I didn't know that. I was hoping we would see it on the NS4G. I used ZenDroid and then SavagedZen SBC on my Evo and I would get a couple days with it. I loved it.

Ha ha, I wasnt gonna argue with em lol.
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SBC is for HTC kernels, you crazy bastards
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Sigh.. This is why the rest of the android world hates cdma users this topic has been already discussed elsewhere has been posted in the appropriate section
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teshxx said:
it can be done. i respect netarchy's opinion, but at the end of the day its his opinion. not a fact. like many others i haven't had a single issue with SBC on my evo. if netarchy is worried about causing damage to the phone we shouldnt be using custom kernels at all. we should't be OC . he is contradicting himself. like i said i respect his work and his opinion, but it should be upto people to decide if they want to install SBC or not. SBC is just as bad as OC your phone. At the end of the day with OC you might ruin your phone with SBC you will just ruin your battery. i am willing to take that chance. i hope and wish someone will incorporate SBC. Hopefully its Tiamat. his kernels are a piece of work. i have used all of their kernels for my evo (netarchy, savaged, tiamat) and tiamat came out victorious time and time again.
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I never said it couldn't be done. I said it would probably not end up in my builds.
I've made no contradiction to myself, I personally don't support it. I made it available in some evo builds by request with an -at your own risk, unsupported- approach.
There are established and definite risks with truly charging a lithium ion battery to full capacity. On the low end of the spectrum, you may simply be shortening some time off the full life of the battery. Whether or not you run into it is a crapshoot of course.
I believe the comment of mine you're going off of was from yesterday at a point in my day when I was already in somewhat of a foul mood from events happening in life, so I was probably a bit harsher than intended (and I've made an edit to try and clear up any possible confusion). ;D
That said, I believe you are more likely to damage the battery in the long term than you are to damage your phone by trying to overclock with the safety caps where they are in my builds.
I also happen to believe that there is a lot more to running a custom kernel than simply the ability to OC, so implying that one shouldn't run a custom kernel because of any potential to damage the phone from overclocking is silly.
Maybe I'm being overly paranoid on the topic of SBC. If that is the case, I can always reserve the right to admit that I was wrong on a topic. I've been wrong about something before, I'll be wrong about something again in the future; I'm human after all ;D.
All that said, the first thing to do if you want to adapt SBC over is most likely to see what power levels are used as caps in the charging code.

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I never said it couldn't be done. I said it would probably not end up in my builds.
I've made no contradiction to myself, I personally don't support it. I made it available in some evo builds by request with an -at your own risk, unsupported- approach.
There are established and definite risks with truly charging a lithium ion battery to full capacity. On the low end of the spectrum, you may simply be shortening some time off the full life of the battery. Whether or not you run into it is a crapshoot of course.
I believe the comment of mine you're going off of was from yesterday at a point in my day when I was already in somewhat of a foul mood from events happening in life, so I was probably a bit harsher than intended (and I've made an edit to try and clear up any possible confusion). ;D
That said, I believe you are more likely to damage the battery in the long term than you are to damage your phone by trying to overclock with the safety caps where they are in my builds.
I also happen to believe that there is a lot more to running a custom kernel than simply the ability to OC, so implying that one shouldn't run a custom kernel because of any potential to damage the phone from overclocking is silly.
Maybe I'm being overly paranoid on the topic of SBC. If that is the case, I can always reserve the right to admit that I was wrong on a topic. I've been wrong about something before, I'll be wrong about something again in the future; I'm human after all ;D.
All that said, the first thing to do if you want to adapt SBC over is most likely to see what power levels are used as caps in the charging code.
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Very good response and I respect both sides of the argument cause none of us really has definitive proof. I just came from an Evo and used SBC kernels for as long as they were out. I love them and miss having that "boost" on my Nexus 4G. Regarding the life of my battery, I figured that when that time came, I'd just buy a new battery.
Either way, thanks to the devs for their hard work.

Users that visit this site don't keep their phones long enough to see the battery degrade (my opinion). I used sbc since it was first released and I only experienced better battery life, nothing negative. I'll use your kernel with sbc or without, you do good work. Its your kernel.
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atoy74 said:
Very good response and I respect both sides of the argument cause none of us really has definitive proof. I just came from an Evo and used SBC kernels for as long as they were out. I love them and miss having that "boost" on my Nexus 4G. Regarding the life of my battery, I figured that when that time came, I'd just buy a new battery.
Either way, thanks to the devs for their hard work.
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I agree...My batt life on my evo sucked and I used sbc and it made it alot better...allthough on this 4g the stock kernel still blows away the evo in batt life period, i was just looking for that little extra ooomph
now for the person who said thats why the rest of the android users hate cdma. Im all for GSM but in arizona all gsm carriers suck. But I do envy the gsm technology it is power effiecent, slimmer, and generally better hardware.
I also searched for SBC in the forums...didnt see anything that really pertained, all though it was also midnight when I looked.
Thanks for your insight netarchy. I love your work, if I knew how to do It I would. I used to build roms for winmo devices...but for the life of me I cant wrap my head around this android dev ****.

I don't know what sbc is I guess I misread netarchy's post about it in the general section. My apologies.
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netarchy said:
I never said it couldn't be done. I said it would probably not end up in my builds.
I've made no contradiction to myself, I personally don't support it. I made it available in some evo builds by request with an -at your own risk, unsupported- approach.
There are established and definite risks with truly charging a lithium ion battery to full capacity. On the low end of the spectrum, you may simply be shortening some time off the full life of the battery. Whether or not you run into it is a crapshoot of course.
I believe the comment of mine you're going off of was from yesterday at a point in my day when I was already in somewhat of a foul mood from events happening in life, so I was probably a bit harsher than intended (and I've made an edit to try and clear up any possible confusion). ;D
That said, I believe you are more likely to damage the battery in the long term than you are to damage your phone by trying to overclock with the safety caps where they are in my builds.
I also happen to believe that there is a lot more to running a custom kernel than simply the ability to OC, so implying that one shouldn't run a custom kernel because of any potential to damage the phone from overclocking is silly.
Maybe I'm being overly paranoid on the topic of SBC. If that is the case, I can always reserve the right to admit that I was wrong on a topic. I've been wrong about something before, I'll be wrong about something again in the future; I'm human after all ;D.
All that said, the first thing to do if you want to adapt SBC over is most likely to see what power levels are used as caps in the charging code.
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its cool dude. we all crappy days. i respect your work and your opinion and i/we don't take all you devs for granted. I know you guys do it bc you have a passion for it. Thanx for responding.

request to kernel devels

Guys, could u please include in our kernel deep-sleep and fast dormancy patches?
u know that its not so hard. sure, i can do it myself, but i dont want one else toolchains and kernel trees on my laptop lol. deep-sleep and dorm succesfully work on moto atrix now with 2.6* kernels
also please include stat timers in kernel configs in future?

Would you like fries with that?

Can the kernal make me sandwiches too? You know its not very hard to do just three slices of bread, toasted, Mayo, lettuce, tomato but only if its fresh, two slices of Turkey and two slices of cheese. And cut into triangles with little toothpicks holding them together.
And just to proove I'm not a jerk: please.
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LurkerRWO said:
Can the kernal make me sandwiches too? You know its not very hard to do just three slices of bread, toasted, Mayo, lettuce, tomato but only if its fresh, two slices of Turkey and two slices of cheese. And cut into triangles with little toothpicks holding them together.
And just to proove I'm not a jerk: please.
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some times better joise yeat sandwiches then speak

tmp_do said:
Guys, could u please include in our kernel deep-sleep and fast dormancy patches?
u know that its not so hard. sure, i can do it myself, but i dont want one else toolchains and kernel trees on my laptop lol. deep-sleep and dorm succesfully work on moto atrix now with 2.6* kernels
also please include stat timers in kernel configs in future?
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Dude its not that easy to build a kernel.....building a rom is easy but not a kernel....

vipaman said:
Dude its not that easy to build a kernel.....building a rom is easy but not a kernel....
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lol u kidding me? i managed kernels for moto a1200 htc hero acer liquid and ac100 and i want wat i ask.
merge some diffs from current kernel tree not so hard, u dont need developming from zero. all already done.
I'm just lazy for that

Nvm delete

nitrogen618 said:
Also, it's been proven Deep idle does not save ANY more battery than regular .
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prooflink please. i seen against results

Let me just say please be mature.. don't answer post if you feel offended and let it rott like spme others.. plz keep the community clean.
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tmp_do said:
Guys, could u please include in our kernel deep-sleep and fast dormancy patches?
u know that its not so hard. sure, i can do it myself, but i dont want one else toolchains and kernel trees on my laptop lol. deep-sleep and dorm succesfully work on moto atrix now with 2.6* kernels
also please include stat timers in kernel configs in future?
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You know what you should do?
.........cry about it.
I can get 8 days battery life just leaving my G2x sitting there. That's proof enough that deep sleep don't do sheeeit.

Oh come on people, those requests are completely valid. Though, OP, next time don't "of course I could do it myself".

m00nman said:
Oh come on people, those requests are completely valid. Though, OP, next time don't "of course I could do it myself".
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They're unnecessary and since no one had ever used those on a G2x kernel before, I'm assuming it would take time to figure it out. Time that would be wasted since the two things he is requesting don't help our phone at all. If he can do it himself, then he'll do it himself.

Well, those patches should increase the battery life which is pretty bad on our phone right now. My 1980mah battery did improve the situation a little, but it still doesnt come close to sony ericsson x10 or nexus s that i owned before.
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I haven't really had any battery life issues. I charge my phone at night, and then use it all day.
If I go crazy with games and tethering I might have to plug it in for a few minutes during the day, but battery life doesn't seem any worse than other phones.

Just so the OP doesn't think I'm dogging on him, there are kernel patches I've wanted before also. I'd like a kernel that supports netfilter patches so I could use a nicer wifi tether app:
http://code.google.com/p/android-wifi-tether/wiki/FAQ
But, if it can't or won't happen, I'm fine without it. If I could do it myself, I wouldn't post about being too lazy to do it.

m00nman said:
Well, those patches should increase the battery life which is pretty bad on our phone right now. My 1980mah battery did improve the situation a little, but it still doesnt come close to sony ericsson x10 or nexus s that i owned before.
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No, they won't. I can get over a week just leaving my phone there. Which should make it pretty clear that we don't need it.

tmp_do said:
Guys, could u please include in our kernel deep-sleep and fast dormancy patches?
u know that its not so hard. sure, i can do it myself, but i dont want one else toolchains and kernel trees on my laptop lol. deep-sleep and dorm succesfully work on moto atrix now with 2.6* kernels
also please include stat timers in kernel configs in future?
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ok, ill start by saying im only just now getting into how the Linux kernel works on ARM devices, so i might need a real dev to confirm some of this...
deep-sleep is just a name for a sleep state on some chipsets (i think Samsung mostly uses it) tegra2 has sleep states as well, infact we have a few (LP2 and LP3 just off the top of my head) and deep-sleep is not really needed on our devices (if its even possible to implement on this device)
tegra2 as a chip itself is perfectly capable of sleeping, and does so very well, NVidia even went so far as to make their own proprietary "governor" (if you can call it that) to control speed and voltages, as well as shut down a core when its not needed. so rest assured that when its not needed, our phone is already using as little power as it can.
with regards to fast-dormancy, seeing as the base-band/radio chip in our devices is already 'flaky' at best, do you really want you phone doing the equivalent of going into 'airplane mode' every time its done sending a message? plus, unless t-mobile can use an optimized version of it (which i don't think they do) its been shown to actually increase network usage, and decrease battery life due to constantly negotiating network connections and disconnections.
also, im going to assume by stat timers you mean 'time in state', in which case that is a HUGE undertaking including rebuilding major parts of the kernel if its even possible on tegra chipsets. plus, its really only useful to see if your phone is actually sleeping, which there are other ways to do this, although they are a bit tougher.
and finally, i don't know how you meant you question to come across, put please try to be more considerate with how you phrase things. these devs, for the most part, are doing this because they want to. nobody is paying them to work on our phones (aside from an occasional donation from time to time) and they do have jobs, lives, and families outside of these phones. and despite how easy you say it is, ive been studying the kernel in this phone for almost 2 months now, pouring over forums, datasheets, and many many many versions of kernels by morfic and faux123 and im only just beginning to understand the basic ways that things are done.
hope this clears some stuff up

Thank Klathmon, for the explanation.
I am still kinda confused though, OP said Deep Sleep has been implemented into an Atrix kernel which has the same tegra chip. Maybe you are right and they just refer to one of the low power states as deep sleep. Also I tried googling for deep sleep in atrix and nothing came up

Thanks for detailed response. I think i understand all the subtleties.
So mods, please delete thread

What is a good setup?

Alright Nexus S community, First off i will say thank you to all the devs and your hard work... i havnt even begun to use all of your awesome work but there SO MUCH stuff in this forum its nutz!
I have been on an lg p500 for awhile now, running a nice CM7 port. Recently i have been given the opportunity to get a Nexus S for CHEAP. I figured why not!
So i come to you guys after about 2 hours of reading through the various threads on kernels and roms.
I am going to be looking for the combination of a kernel / rom that produces the best battery life, with good performance. It doesnt have to be the best rom in benchmarks. But one thats stable with good battery life... with a SMOOTH UI.
Obviously there is alot of developing right now due to the drop of 4.0.4... im just trying to narrow down which rom i will use and which kernel.
suggestions welcome!
Thanks
Nd4

Most ROMs that aren't HEAVILY edited don't vary much in battery life. The kernel can change the battery life a little, but it sits heavily on whether or not you are OCing/OVing. An extreme undervolt could also give you a tiny, probably negligible, boost. This is something you can change in each kernel anyway though.
As always, the biggest problem you'll face is something keeping the phone awake through a wakelock, or be woken up constantly, as well as the screen being on. No unnecessary wakelocks while idling, no rogue apps using transferring data for no reason while screen is off and no heavy OC --> great battery life.
Try out a range of ROMs and Kernels which have the features you want, here on the Nexus S forums they're all top notch

Harbb said:
Most ROMs that aren't HEAVILY edited don't vary much in battery life. The kernel can change the battery life a little, but it sits heavily on whether or not you are OCing/OVing. An extreme undervolt could also give you a tiny, probably negligible, boost. This is something you can change in each kernel anyway though.
As always, the biggest problem you'll face is something keeping the phone awake through a wakelock, or be woken up constantly, as well as the screen being on. No unnecessary wakelocks while idling, no rogue apps using transferring data for no reason while screen is off and no heavy OC --> great battery life.
Try out a range of ROMs and Kernels which have the features you want, here on the Nexus S forums they're all top notch
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thats my problem! SO MANY awesome choices! hmmm which one to start with first.

Pick the ones which have all the features you want first, then move onto the ones which are missing one or two, and so on. TitaniumBackup will be your best friend

Harbb said:
Pick the ones which have all the features you want first, then move onto the ones which are missing one or two, and so on. TitaniumBackup will be your best friend
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any stand out recommendations that i should at least give a try.
Thank you btw for your very warm welcome and help

nd4spdbh said:
any stand out recommendations that i should at least give a try.
Thank you btw for your very warm welcome and help
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yes, all of them
first find a rom you like, then try all the kernels. the kernels can make a difference to the rom. it can make it worse, or much better. really, there are so many differences of opinions to whats good, as many opinions as there are users. but, being in the nexus s community, its really hard to make a wrong choice. there is just that much quality here.
personally, i use unofficial cm9 kangs as my rom with all the trinity kernels. but, i do make it a habit of trying all the kernels(and most the roms) at least once

AOKP and Bigxie ROMs, try these.
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simms22 said:
yes, all of them
first find a rom you like, then try all the kernels. the kernels can make a difference to the rom. it can make it worse, or much better. really, there are so many differences of opinions to whats good, as many opinions as there are users. but, being in the nexus s community, its really hard to make a wrong choice. there is just that much quality here.
personally, i use unofficial cm9 kangs as my rom with all the trinity kernels. but, i do make it a habit of trying all the kernels(and most the roms) at least once
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Pretty much this. Everyone has their personal favourite which means very little to you. Give all of the ones with features you need a try, and once you're happy with a particular ROM give it a shot with various kernels. Later you can expand your horizons.
I'm pretty sure there was a topic not too long ago about how hard it is to choose ROMs and Kernels because there are just so many of them.

Harbb said:
Pretty much this. Everyone has their personal favourite which means very little to you. Give all of the ones with features you need a try, and once you're happy with a particular ROM give it a shot with various kernels. Later you can expand your horizons.
I'm pretty sure there was a topic not too long ago about how hard it is to choose ROMs and Kernels because there are just so many of them.
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well this is good to hear.
In the lg p500 community we had alot of roms that were almost nearly the same, and a buncha junky ones, with a few good standout roms....
Guess once i get the nexus ill begin a flashin and playing!
seems like the major kenels around here are
Air Kernel
Matrix
SG-NS-ICS
yes?

nd4spdbh said:
well this is good to hear.
In the lg p500 community we had alot of roms that were almost nearly the same, and a buncha junky ones, with a few good standout roms....
Guess once i get the nexus ill begin a flashin and playing!
seems like the major kenels around here are
Air Kernel
Matrix
SG-NS-ICS
yes?
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dont forget Trinity Kernel, and its been around the longest

Getting a g3 a few questions

I'm grabbing one for my daughter today and she is going to want me to root, and flash a custom rom.
How stable is 4.2 and 4.3?
What roms/kernel combinations give the best battery life?
It's been a long time since I've used Odin "I think it was my galaxy s4g" since I've used it. The YouTube video under the how to post makes it look pretty easy.
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4.2 is pretty stable, although the trade off is shaky WiFi to 3g to 4g hand offs.. Its pretty much the same for 4.3 ROMs as well.. 4.2 is a little more polished compared to some of the small bugs that still are being worked out in 4.3 ... Both are 100% better then touchwiz IMHO. Hope that helps.
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Just use the stock kernals that come packed in cm 4.2 or 4.3.. And battery like in 4.2 is on par if not better than stock touchwiz.. 4.3 has a bit to go in that category
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Tunderpimp said:
I'm grabbing one for my daughter today and she is going to want me to root, and flash a custom rom.
How stable is 4.2 and 4.3?
What roms/kernel combinations give the best battery life?
It's been a long time since I've used Odin "I think it was my galaxy s4g" since I've used it. The YouTube video under the how to post makes it look pretty easy.
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What you're asking is a very subjective question. I'd say most of the roms are nice to run and it really matters what features you and your daughter are looking for. AOSP offers a pure Google experience, but you're missing out on some great features touchwiz has to offer. There are good things associated with both options that might weigh you to one side or another.
Basically, I think factors that affect battery life the most aren't rom and kernel related, but applications running on your phone. I find any custom kernel you run will operate more efficiently than a stock kernel. You may notice a slight increase in battery life, but you'll definitely notice a boost in performance.
I'd recommend not relying on what people tell you are good roms, because everyone is going to have a different experience as to which is the best, you're basically going to get a bunch of answers to the same question. Even though our phones are the same, minor hardware and cpu differences could make one rom spectacular on one phone, and cause lag and frustration on another. Trying out roms and playing with them is part of the experience of finding the perfect balance between battery life and performance for your phone.
Odin is extremely easy to use, just follow the directions exactly as stated and you shouldn't have any issues.
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I understand what you're saying I know with my phone Franco kernel only runs one core when the phone is a sleep and two with the ui and trinity is full performance. I wasn't sure if there was something like that here.
How stable stuff is really isn't a opinion.
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Tunderpimp said:
I understand what you're saying I know with my phone Franco kernel only runs one core when the phone is a sleep and two with the ui and trinity is full performance. I wasn't sure if there was something like that here.
How stable stuff is really isn't a opinion.
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You have a good premise, but stability is also linked to user error most of the time, unless you're talking about AOSP nightlies. If someone tells you they had a horrible experience on a certain rom, it's hard to take their word for it because you have no idea what other modifications they made to a rom, or if they followed flashing procedures correctly. It's not fair to the developer of a rom to have somebody who messed up their phone talk badly about it. It steers away a potential user from a rom choice and frustrates developers who put countless hours into their rom.
As far as your kernel question goes, I would look at the governor options available as that's what controls your cpu. You can gear any kernel to be more efficient or battery friendly with an app like set cpu. Ktoonsez and zues kernel have many governor choices available, as lean kernel would be much more stock like, but leaner. A governor such as pegasusq will control both your cores and only turn your second on if needed.
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Franco Kernel vs Stock?

I am debating on whether to buy the pro version and flash Franco's Kernel for my Nexus 5 and 7 (2013). I just want to know what I bits of extra I can really do with it.. And if its worth it. I'm more worried about stability than anything I guess. I don't want to run into little issues whether it be audio, video, whatever it may be. Also I have never flashed a kernel or another ROM, I've always stuck with stock. I am running 4.4.2 right now utilizing Gravity Box and Wanam Kit, and a few other modules. Any input would be greatly appreciated. If this thread has been done before, my apologies. I am a brand new forum user, never really get on the computer.
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wardawgmalvicious said:
I am debating on whether to buy the pro version and flash Franco's Kernel for my Nexus 5 and 7 (2013). I just want to know what I bits of extra I can really do with it.. And if its worth it. I'm more worried about stability than anything I guess. I don't want to run into little issues whether it be audio, video, whatever it may be. Also I have never flashed a kernel or another ROM, I've always stuck with stock. I am running 4.4.2 right now utilizing Gravity Box and Wanam Kit, and a few other modules. Any input would be greatly appreciated. If this thread has been done before, my apologies. I am a brand new forum user, never really get on the computer.
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Well to be honest the stock kernel allready is very good, the only downsides of it are batterylife/screenontime and colors are not very vibrant. These 2 aspects are substantialy better with Franco kernel. Screenontime and batterylife is improved by at least 50% or more for some (check out the Franco thread). Also you can raise the speaker/mic/in-call volume as you wish and load a color profile for better and more vibrant colors.

if you want stability stick with stock

gee2012 said:
Well to be honest the stock kernel allready is very good, the only downsides of it are batterylife/screenontime and colors are not very vibrant. These 2 issues are substantialy better with Franco kernel. Screenontime and batterylife is improved by at least 50% or more for some (check out the Franco thread). Also you can raise the speaker/mic/in-call volume as you wish and load a color profile for better and more vibrant colors.
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I have been getting fantastic battery life with my setup now, I just leave brightness at auto, and from my bit of research, that seems to be the big culprit of battery life. I'm always looking to improve my phone in terms of performance and cosmetic, keeps me busy at negative 60 out here in North Dakota lol.
But 50% overall more battery life?! That's pretty friggin good. Would definitely pay for it for that kind of power.
I'm also assuming based on your post that the color control is not for LED control but the screen itself. Any idea if the Xposed LED module works well? I know its off topic just a quick question.
Not sure about the volumes, I usually don't mess with call volumes, but I'll look into it more.
Thanks for your post! Also please post the link to the Franco Thread.
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wardawgmalvicious said:
I have been getting fantastic battery life with my setup now, I just leave brightness at auto, and from my bit of research, that seems to be the big culprit of battery life. I'm always looking to improve my phone in terms of performance and cosmetic, keeps me busy at negative 60 out here in North Dakota lol.
But 50% overall more battery life?! That's pretty friggin good. Would definitely pay for it for that kind of power.
I'm also assuming based on your post that the color control is not for LED control but the screen itself. Any idea if the Xposed LED module works well? I know its off topic just a quick question.
Not sure about the volumes, I usually don't mess with call volumes, but I'll look into it more.
Thanks for your post! Also please post the link to the Franco Thread.
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If you are having trouble making a decision... just flash the kernel with fastboot and give it a test run. Can the free version of FKU auto flash? I'm not sure, you would have to investigate.
If you decide you like it (and the updates that go along with it), then maybe consider buying the app.
But yes, screen on time is better with FK due to the way the clock speeds scale. A lot better. Even with the stock settings, though I find even those to be a bit aggressive.

wardawgmalvicious said:
I have been getting fantastic battery life with my setup now, I just leave brightness at auto, and from my bit of research, that seems to be the big culprit of battery life. I'm always looking to improve my phone in terms of performance and cosmetic, keeps me busy at negative 60 out here in North Dakota lol.
But 50% overall more battery life?! That's pretty friggin good. Would definitely pay for it for that kind of power.
I'm also assuming based on your post that the color control is not for LED control but the screen itself. Any idea if the Xposed LED module works well? I know its off topic just a quick question.
Not sure about the volumes, I usually don't mess with call volumes, but I'll look into it more.
Thanks for your post! Also please post the link to the Franco Thread.
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Most users report a screenontime of about 5-7 hours while stock is about 3,5 hours. Don`t know about the Xposed module but color controll in the Franco kernel updater app is realy good and there are various preloaded settings available. Link thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2508284. Backup your current kernel in the FKU before you flash a Franco kernel, so you can restore it if need be.

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If you are having trouble making a decision... just flash the kernel with fastboot and give it a test run. Can the free version of FKU auto flash? I'm not sure, you would have to investigate.
If you decide you like it (and the updates that go along with it), then maybe consider buying the app.
But yes, screen on time is better with FK due to the way the clock speeds scale. A lot better. Even with the stock settings, though I find even those to be a bit aggressive.
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I believe you can, I'll look into when I get home.
So do you underclock or undervolt? I don't know the differences between the two, my apologies. If I do get Franco I think I will just leave it at the stock settings it comes with before I make any changes, still got learning to do. Thank you for sharing your knowledge!
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Most users report a screenontime of about 5-7 hours while stock is about 3,5 hours. Don`t know about the Xposed module but color controll in the Franco kernel updater app is realy good and there are various preloaded settings available. Link thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2508284. Backup your current kernel in the FKU before you flash a Franco kernel, so you can restore it if need be.
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That's pretty awesome, definitely gonna try it out. I have a backup somewhere on my device, I think in Flashify, but I'll make another, can never hurt lol.
And thanks for the thread and all the other info!
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Stick with stock for at least long enough to give yourself a baseline to judge other ROMs/kernels against.

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Stick with stock for at least long enough to give yourself a baseline to judge other ROMs/kernels against.
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I've had my Nexus 5 for roughly 2 months now I think, are you saying I should wait it out or do more research first? It is very scary for me lol. I'm always afraid to be making major internal changes without some form of consultation and research.
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Also quick question, I don't need to back anything else up correct? Flashing a kernel does not mess with anything else does it?
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wardawgmalvicious said:
I've had my Nexus 5 for roughly 2 months now I think, are you saying I should wait it out or do more research first? It is very scary for me lol. I'm always afraid to be making major internal changes without some form of consultation and research.
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I wouldn`t mess with the kernel settings like UV/OC besides color and sound optimisations. The stock settings are allready good enough for most users, only xperienced users should do that imo.
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wardawgmalvicious said:
Also quick question, I don't need to back anything else up correct? Flashing a kernel does not mess with anything else does it?
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No, flashing kernels or recovery`s don`t wipe data.

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I wouldn`t mess with the kernel settings like UV/OC besides color and sound optimisations. The stock settings are allready good enough for most users, only xperienced users should do that imo.
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That's what I'll do then, what kind of sound optimizations are there? Just the mic volume and whatnot? Or are there some for playing music, I have poweramp and use that equalizer, so just wondering.
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wardawgmalvicious said:
That's what I'll do then, what kind of sound optimizations are there? Just the mic volume and whatnot? Or are there some for playing music, I have poweramp and use that equalizer, so just wondering.
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You can only raise the volume levels (no EQ settings), this should not interfere with PowerAmp.

gee2012 said:
You can only raise the volume levels (no EQ settings), this should not interfere with PowerAmp.
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Alright guess I'll just have to carefully play around with a bit. Thanks for your help!
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gee2012 said:
You can only raise the volume levels (no EQ settings), this should not interfere with PowerAmp.
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Oh last question, do you know of any stability issues with Franco Kernel? That is my number one concern, so just checking with you real quick before I go with it finally.
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Oh last question, do you know of any stability issues with Franco Kernel? That is my number one concern, so just checking with you real quick before I go with it finally.
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I haven`t had FC`s when i used the kernel, most issues of users we`re caused by undervolting too much.

gee2012 said:
I haven`t had FC`s when i used the kernel, most issues of users we`re caused by undervolting too much.
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Alright sounds good! I'll let you know how it goes!
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wardawgmalvicious said:
Alright sounds good! I'll let you know how it goes!
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Oke, good luck and enjoy

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Oke, good luck and enjoy
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OK maybe a stupid question, should I use auto flash or flash via recovery?
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