Greetings fellow Infinity owners! I am a new owner of this amazing tablet ever since I bought it from my friend for $250 this evening. I don't know if it's a good deal but as for now I'm pretty happy with it, and looking forward to be even more happier when I install custom ROM in it.
I have been a loyal user of CyanogenMod ROMs, but considering this device is unique (mainly because of its dock), I would like to know whether CM ROMs are compatible to use with the dock. Or maybe there's even better ROM out there for this tablet? As for now I don't have the dock but I'm thinking of buying it next month.
Please share your thoughts and suggestions (if any)!
The only rom fully compatible with the dock is CROMi-X 5.4 since it's based on the Asus stock rom.
The CM based roms like CM11 and CROMBi-KK work with most dock functions, but there are bugs, e.g.
If you use the Volume buttons on the dock, the tablet's power button stops working.
If you close the lid of the tablet/dock combo the screen does not turn off as it would with CROMi-X.
Development on CROmi-X is stuck since Asus did not release new firmware after JB 4.2.1.
CM and CROMbi-KK are at JB 4.4.3
berndblb said:
The only rom fully compatible with the dock is CROMi-X 5.4 since it's based on the Asus stock rom.
The CM based roms like CM11 and CROMBi-KK work with most dock functions, but there are bugs, e.g.
If you use the Volume buttons on the dock, the tablet's power button stops working.
If you close the lid of the tablet/dock combo the screen does not turn off as it would with CROMi-X.
Development on CROmi-X is stuck since Asus did not release new firmware after JB 4.2.1.
CM and CROMbi-KK are at JB 4.4.3
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If you had to pick one of those 3, what would be the most stable in terms of performance?
I flashed mine to the latest snapshot version of CM11 last night. Though it's newer, it's not necessarily faster than the stock Asus 4.2.1 firmware, I can say the performance has been very bad. So I went on and try the nightly version, which did not change anything in the big picture: it's still sluggish.
I haven't tried CROMi or CROMbi, but assuming CROMbi is based on CM11, is it safe to say that it's just as sluggish as CM11 itself?
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If you had to pick one of those 3, what would be the most stable in terms of performance?
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Usually there is a trade-off between stable and fast.
Anggrian said:
I flashed mine to the latest snapshot version of CM11 last night. Though it's newer, it's not necessarily faster than the stock Asus 4.2.1 firmware, I can say the performance has been very bad. So I went on and try the nightly version, which did not change anything in the big picture: it's still sluggish.
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Details? How do you measure performance?
_that said:
Usually there is a trade-off between stable and fast.
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With that consideration, which is the fastest and most pleasant to use?
_that said:
Details? How do you measure performance?
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I measure performance by how smooth the OS navigation is.
Which in this case, is very poor. First off, swiping pages in Google Now Launcher is far from smooth, especially swiping the most left to Google Now interface, sometimes it freezes on the way. Capacitive buttons (back, home, recent apps) take 1-3 seconds to react, which is also the same amount of delay needed to open Settings. Lastly, even pulling notification bar isn't always smooth.
If you're interested, I could shoot a quick video to show how painful the navigation is. In a way I also wonder if this level of performance is normal in TF700T.
Anyway, as been told by other threads, I wiped dalvik cache and cache while in CWM recovery, issue remains.
The TF700T has never been the fastest or smoothest of its generation, but it should not be painful to use.
Try installing CROM(b)i - it has a lot of performance tweaks.
Anggrian said:
With that consideration, which is the fastest and most pleasant to use?
I measure performance by how smooth the OS navigation is.
Which in this case, is very poor. First off, swiping pages in Google Now Launcher is far from smooth, especially swiping the most left to Google Now interface, sometimes it freezes on the way. Capacitive buttons (back, home, recent apps) take 1-3 seconds to react, which is also the same amount of delay needed to open Settings. Lastly, even pulling notification bar isn't always smooth.
If you're interested, I could shoot a quick video to show how painful the navigation is. In a way I also wonder if this level of performance is normal in TF700T.
Anyway, as been told by other threads, I wiped dalvik cache and cache while in CWM recovery, issue remains.
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Whenever you switch roms, no matter if they share the same base, wiping of cache and dalvik is not enough. You have to clean install, meaning at least a factory wipe in recovery, if you really want to experience the potential (or lack of thereof) of that rom.
I do not experience the lag you describe on the latest CROMBi-KK install and I did not on CROMi-X either. But then - I don't even install Google Now and other "social" cr*** - so YMMV.
CROMBi-KK is the fastest and smoothest rom I have run on this tablet, but it does have the dock bugs I mentioned earlier.
_that is right - there's always a trade off between reliability and speed.
Try the CROMi roms (either X or KK) and install them with fsync off and I bet most of your complaints will be gone. The biggest performance boost for this tablet (with it's build-in slow memory) is to run it with fsync off or data2sd on a fast microSD. If you want full dock compatability it's CROMi-X, if you want KitKat goodness it's CROMBi-KK.
Have fun testing!
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Whenever you switch roms, no matter if they share the same base, wiping of cache and dalvik is not enough. You have to clean install, meaning at least a factory wipe in recovery, if you really want to experience the potential (or lack of thereof) of that rom.
I do not experience the lag you describe on the latest CROMBi-KK install and I did not on CROMi-X either. But then - I don't even install Google Now and other "social" cr*** - so YMMV.
CROMBi-KK is the fastest and smoothest rom I have run on this tablet, but it does have the dock bugs I mentioned earlier.
_that is right - there's always a trade off between reliability and speed.
Try the CROMi roms (either X or KK) and install them with fsync off and I bet most of your complaints will be gone. The biggest performance boost for this tablet (with it's build-in slow memory) is to run it with fsync off or data2sd on a fast microSD. If you want full dock compatability it's CROMi-X, if you want KitKat goodness it's CROMBi-KK.
Have fun testing!
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Informative! Will try CROMi-X tonight!
Oh 1 more thing, I am currently in CWM recovery, do I need to switch to TWRP recovery to install CROMi or CWM does just well?
Anggrian said:
Informative! Will try CROMi-X tonight!
Oh 1 more thing, I am currently in CWM recovery, do I need to switch to TWRP recovery to install CROMi or CWM does just well?
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As long as it is CWM 6.0.4.6. or later (and you don't want to try the f2fs file system on /data) you're ok.
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As long as it is CWM 6.0.4.6. or later (and you don't want to try the f2fs file system on /data) you're ok.
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Edit: I do run the rom with internal data formatted to f2fs. It does make a difference.... For f2fs you need TWRP 2.7.1.1
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I had no idea what f2fs is so I went on and googled it. According to this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2681775, it can cause data loss on the exchange of performance gain.
Based on your experience on f2fs, what do you have to say about that?
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I had no idea what f2fs is so I went on and googled it. According to this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2681775, it can cause data loss on the exchange of performance gain.
Based on your experience on f2fs, what do you have to say about that?
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I can confirm the performance gain (subjectively - hard to really measure it except with benchmarks. And I don't believe in those...) and I haven't had any data loss - yet
I treat any data on a mobile device as being just one step away from going down the drain - it happens often enough. If you want to try anything experimental, a solid backup/sync routine is a must in my book.
f2fs and also fsync off both fall into that category. I have run my tablets with fsync off for more than a year without any problem, but I have less experience with f2fs.
You just gotta be careful. I wouldn't try, let's say, ART runtime AND flash the new Asus apps package on CROMBi-KK with /data formatted to f2fs - risks grow exponentially if you combine them.....
Anggrian said:
Greetings fellow Infinity owners! I am a new owner of this amazing tablet ever since I bought it from my friend for $250 this evening. I don't know if it's a good deal but as for now I'm pretty happy with it, and looking forward to be even more happier when I install custom ROM in it.
I have been a loyal user of CyanogenMod ROMs, but considering this device is unique (mainly because of its dock), I would like to know whether CM ROMs are compatible to use with the dock. Or maybe there's even better ROM out there for this tablet? As for now I don't have the dock but I'm thinking of buying it next month.
Please share your thoughts and suggestions (if any)!
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Try the Techfusion+ Rom and install Asus keyboard and Keyboard Manager manually. It is 4.4.3, very fast and doesnt get laggy over time. Best thing us Battery life, which is far better than on the other ROMs
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Someone may be able answer but i doubt but i have to ask the question...
Had my tf since november - the business on it as soon as it was out of the box. But no matter what image ive loaded onto it its always been slow ( i think ive tried them all) ie my nexus4 runs greasy smooth compared to my tf, almost to the point that a guy at work gave me a 300 to unlock and his seemed a lot better/smoother/faster than mine....is it just mine or is it the norm
currently im on cyanogen 10.1 latest nightly with the bryce overclocked kernel running at 1.9gb if i was a betting man i would say the nova launcher was running about 10fps with all the special effects off...as a guide...
ps especially the browser - no matter which one it always takes ages to load pages....
Thanks to anyone that can shed any light on it....
I must admit I struggle with your story language-wise, but I think I do get your general statement. CROMI, for example, should run smoothly, no matter what, UNLESS your device is faulty.
I'd recommend wiping EVERYTHING -- so you do not run into remnants form earlier ROMs/installations -- and starting anew with CROMI, just to be sure. Update your bootloader (to the JB version), and then try data2SD if it is still not to your liking.
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I must admit I struggle with your story language-wise, but I think I do get your general statement. CROMI, for example, should run smoothly, no matter what, UNLESS your device is faulty.
I'd recommend wiping EVERYTHING -- so you do not run into remnants form earlier ROMs/installations -- and starting anew with CROMI, just to be sure. Update your bootloader (to the JB version), and then try data2SD if it is still not to your liking.
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And to add to Marty's efforts what ever you do if flashisg from a custom recovery with JB 4.1 or later do not use an older version of any recovery!
Hi - which rom is that...?
I must say im kind of trying that right now....complete wipe, factory reset and then a factory reset from the recovery screen....its auto loading the apps at the moment....thanks for the reply all the same....ive never tried that bit of software that goes on the memory card...is there a walkthrough somewhere?
im pretty sure im on the jb bootloader but is there a way to check??
You can flash the latest bootloader form page 2 of the CleanRom Inheritance thread And CROMI from page 1
Mr read PLZ
As far as I know stock TF700 related ROMs are laggy and require a custom Over clocked kernel such as Clemsyn which is rubbish and even with this performance is sluggish. But her is a way to get rid of the lag once and for all. Unlock and root the TF700. Then install Cyanogenmod 10.1 latest build and then when you boot into it set the IO as CFQ permenantly and then use Seeder with the settings on aggressive and the IO extend option unticked but all the rest of the options ticked. Also use lightning browser or Browser2RAM which enhances the stock Android browsers performance.
After that enjoy a super fast transformer like never before. Don't use any other rom . My transformer got nearly 150000 on Antutu which is really good and I got nearly 5500 on Quadrant with it on performance mode (I didn't use the custom CM10.1 customs kernel or any other one just the stock CM10.1 kernel). My transformer in balanced seems to be on par with an iPad 2, 3 and better than a normal Asus transformer Prime or TF300 and I have over 40 applications with several games with 1+GB data. The IO problem is still there as it is hardware based although with this their is nearly no lag for the first time. Beautiful TF700 CyanogenMod developers. I read the commit log and checked the code many gerrit optimisations for the IO and Armv7 cores. Enjoy!!!!! Wohoo Project Butter!!!!!
Continue Cyanogenmod providing better support than Asus. One reason to jailbreak (Root) is because of this.
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As far as I know stock TF700 related ROMs are laggy and require a custom Over clocked kernel such as Clemsyn which is rubbish and even with this performance is sluggish. But her is a way to get rid of the lag once and for all. Unlock and root the TF700. Then install Cyanogenmod 10.1 latest build and then when you boot into it set the IO as CFQ permenantly and then use Seeder with the settings on aggressive and the IO extend option unticked but all the rest of the options ticked. Also use lightning browser or Browser2RAM which enhances the stock Android browsers performance.
After that enjoy a super fast transformer like never before. Don't use any other rom . My transformer got nearly 150000 on Antutu which is really good and I got nearly 5500 on Quadrant with it on performance mode (I didn't use the custom CM10.1 customs kernel or any other one just the stock CM10.1 kernel). My transformer in balanced seems to be on par with an iPad 2, 3 and better than a normal Asus transformer Prime or TF300 and I have over 40 applications with several games with 1+GB data. The IO problem is still there as it is hardware based although with this their is nearly no lag for the first time. Beautiful TF700 CyanogenMod developers. I read the commit log and checked the code many gerrit optimisations for the IO and Armv7 cores. Enjoy!!!!! Wohoo Project Butter!!!!!
Continue Cyanogenmod providing better support than Asus. One reason to jailbreak (Root) is because of this.
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Well not to brag but flash CROMI which is based on stock and you can achieve 17000 on antutu and over 7000 on quadrant. So much for stock ROMs being laggy eh?
Now with no overclocking you are looking at 5500 - 6000 on quadrant so would seem to be on par with CM based ROMs. I do like CM but you lose some functionality whilst gaining others and you have to suffer some stability issues especially if doing nightlies. Also they never seem to finish them.....
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2164090
This user posted the same response in the above thread also.
Looks to me like someone has an agenda.
Thats OK said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2164090
This user posted the same response in the above thread also.
Looks to me like someone has an agenda.
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Don't you? I know I have!
MartyHulskemper said:
Don't you? I know I have!
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Yes I do
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Yes I do
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Me three!
I've had my tf700 for about a year now but have struggled making it usable due to the awful lag it always tends to have, I have rooted, unlocked, and rommed it with cm 10.1. i also have tried using apps such as seeder and autokiller memory optimizer as they help a lot with my razr maxx but nothing seems to help it. ive done countless factory resets and done every combination of performance options baked into CM 10.1.
is there another rom i should try? or any way to allow it to use different I/O schedulers (thinking SIO) or cpu governers? (thinking smartass or interactivex) or should i try to overclock it somehow??
i just find it very sad that my OG Xoom performs superior to this "super tablet" in every single way.
i absolutely love all ASUS products and love the tf700! i just need help!
thanks for any advice
-b
bschmidy10 said:
I've had my tf700 for about a year now but have struggled making it usable due to the awful lag it always tends to have, I have rooted, unlocked, and rommed it with cm 10.1. i also have tried using apps such as seeder and autokiller memory optimizer as they help a lot with my razr maxx but nothing seems to help it. ive done countless factory resets and done every combination of performance options baked into CM 10.1.
is there another rom i should try? or any way to allow it to use different I/O schedulers (thinking SIO) or cpu governers? (thinking smartass or interactivex) or should i try to overclock it somehow??
i just find it very sad that my OG Xoom performs superior to this "super tablet" in every single way.
i absolutely love all ASUS products and love the tf700! i just need help!
thanks for any advice
-b
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you could upgrade to cm 10.2 and see if that works for you.
or just go with cromi-x rom. lots of tweaks and options, great performance and multiple kernels to choose from (with cpu governor options and overclock)
in my opinion autokiller and the so called ram optimizers dont help. sometimes i feel like they lower the performance... cromi-x already has most of these tweaks aniway.
the lag transcends all the roms I've tried so far ( stock, cm 10.1 , 10.1.2 both stable and nightlies) I don't believe 10.2 is ready for the tf700 yet? I will try chromi x soon I guess. Any special requirements? Or just flash thru twrp?
Thank for the help.
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bschmidy10 said:
the lag transcends all the roms I've tried so far ( stock, cm 10.1 , 10.1.2 both stable and nightlies) I don't believe 10.2 is ready for the tf700 yet? I will try chromi x soon I guess. Any special requirements? Or just flash thru twrp?
Thank for the help.
-b
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You need to do a factory reset and flash with TWRP. Good luck.. :fingers-crossed:
thanks!! i'll let you know how it went tomorrow
*** should i just flash the deodexed rom itself? or any additional zips as well? I.E. gapps, "kernel installer 4.0.3?"
thanks again for the help guys
-b
bschmidy10 said:
thanks!! i'll let you know how it went tomorrow
*** should i just flash the deodexed rom itself? or any additional zips as well? I.E. gapps, "kernel installer 4.0.3?"
thanks again for the help guys
-b
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ODEX, DEODEX - doesn't really matter after the first apps updating. sbdags, the dev, reports DEODEX to tend to slow down after some time. I tend to stick with ODEX.
No need to flash anything else as long as you are on the 10.6.1.14.4 or .8 bootloader and TWRP 2.5 or 2.6.
The kernel installer is optional, makes it fast and easy to try different kernels.
But as mentioned before, you have to do a clean install coming from CM.
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ODEX, DEODEX - doesn't really matter after the first apps updating. sbdags, the dev, reports DEODEX to tend to slow down after some time. I tend to stick with ODEX.
No need to flash anything else as long as you are on the 10.6.1.14.4 or .8 bootloader and TWRP 2.5 or 2.6.
The kernel installer is optional, makes it fast and easy to try different kernels.
But as mentioned before, you have to do a clean install coming from CM.
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sorry if im being lazy... but how do i know what bootloader im on? i know i have twrp 2.5.0.0 installed and the device is unlocked but im not sure about bootloader.
doing a clean install is no problem, but do you mean do a factory reset from TWRP or entirely wipe the whole rom slot?
and does the kernel installer flash just like the rom? and also, are GAPPS included?
thanks for the great help
-b
bschmidy10 said:
sorry if im being lazy... but how do i know what bootloader im on? i know i have twrp 2.5.0.0 installed and the device is unlocked but im not sure about bootloader.
doing a clean install is no problem, but do you mean do a factory reset from TWRP or entirely wipe the whole rom slot?
and does the kernel installer flash just like the rom? and also, are GAPPS included?
thanks for the great help
-b
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You hold the power button + volume down to boot into the bootlooader menu. In the upper left corner, you can see your bootloader version.
A clean install is mean to wipe Dalvik, Cache, Data, and system. A factory reset is mean to wipe Dalvik, Cache, and data but during the Cromi x installation, a default setting is to wipe a system which are very much the same process. Yes, a kernel installer is a very similar process except it only has kernels and no others apps.
bschmidy10 said:
sorry if im being lazy... but how do i know what bootloader im on? i know i have twrp 2.5.0.0 installed and the device is unlocked but im not sure about bootloader.
doing a clean install is no problem, but do you mean do a factory reset from TWRP or entirely wipe the whole rom slot?
and does the kernel installer flash just like the rom? and also, are GAPPS included?
thanks for the great help
-b
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I can tell - you have been firmly in the CM world so far
There are no gapps packages to flash with this rom, when you flash you will be walked through installation options in the Aroma installer. Part of that is also which apps you want to install to /system (Google maps, Gmail etc).
No rom slots either - just partitions.
No need to wipe system - it's part of the installation process.
No need to wipe Dalvik/cache - it's the default in the Aroma installer
A factory reset in TWRP wipes the data partition except for /data/media/ and that should leave your user data intact. Naturally you will backup anyway before flashing, right?
And don't forget to make a nandroid of your old rom.
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You hold the power button + volume down to boot into the bootlooader menu. In the upper left corner, you can see your bootloader version.
A clean install is mean to wipe Dalvik, Cache, Data, and system. A factory reset is mean to wipe Dalvik, Cache, and data but during the Cromi x installation, a default setting is to wipe a system which are very much the same process. Yes, a kernel installer is a very similar process except it only has kernels and no others apps.
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Thanks!, I am already on the right edition so that's very good news for me haha.
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I can tell - you have been firmly in the CM world so far
There are no gapps packages to flash with this rom, when you flash you will be walked through installation options in the Aroma installer. Part of that is also which apps you want to install to /system (Google maps, Gmail etc).
No rom slots either - just partitions.
No need to wipe system - it's part of the installation process.
No need to wipe Dalvik/cache - it's the default in the Aroma installer
A factory reset in TWRP wipes the data partition except for /data/media/ and that should leave your user data intact. Naturally you will backup anyway before flashing, right?
And don't forget to make a nandroid of your old rom.
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haha yeah I have been mostly loyal to CM... ive also been on touchwiz, AOKP and some other random roms for some of my older phones but when CM 10.1 came out i just switched everything over (DROID, D2G, RAZR MAXX, XOOM, TF700)
but this is sounding pretty easy to me! i am very familiar with nandroid backups as i have a passion for messing with things i shouldnt mess with on my devices
random question: are kernels flashed when roms are flashed? so like does each different rom have its own kernel? (obviously some would use similar/same kernels)
another random question: I have a growing collection of old androids laying around and am not sure what to do with them? do you/anyone have any good uses/ideas to share? im sure i could look thru each devices subsection but as just a general thing. i obviously could use them for "ipods" but i have unlimited data still :good: and no battery life troubles, so streaming works great for me.
- i use my xoom as a kind of party device, with a locked down "user profile" to let people pick the music at parties (im in college at ole miss) or decide what to show on the tv etc so that has a little purpose but was wondering about other things.
-my OG droid mostly just sits in my drawer except for every once in awhile i give rooting it another shot (had same problem with xoom until i SBFed it so i think thats the solution) but it has an extended battery and runs well. same thing goes for my beloved D2G (when it isnt off as a temp phone with someone from my family of various friends)
any ideas??
and once again THANK YOU to everyone for the amazing/ super speedy help, im being sure to "thank" each and every one of you.
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haha yeah I have been mostly loyal to CM... ive also been on touchwiz, AOKP and some other random roms for some of my older phones but when CM 10.1 came out i just switched everything over (DROID, D2G, RAZR MAXX, XOOM, TF700)
but this is sounding pretty easy to me! i am very familiar with nandroid backups as i have a passion for messing with things i shouldnt mess with on my devices
random question: are kernels flashed when roms are flashed? so like does each different rom have its own kernel? (obviously some would use similar/same kernels)
another random question: I have a growing collection of old androids laying around and am not sure what to do with them? do you/anyone have any good uses/ideas to share? im sure i could look thru each devices subsection but as just a general thing. i obviously could use them for "ipods" but i have unlimited data still :good: and no battery life troubles, so streaming works great for me.
- i use my xoom as a kind of party device, with a locked down "user profile" to let people pick the music at parties (im in college at ole miss) or decide what to show on the tv etc so that has a little purpose but was wondering about other things.
-my OG droid mostly just sits in my drawer except for every once in awhile i give rooting it another shot (had same problem with xoom until i SBFed it so i think thats the solution) but it has an extended battery and runs well. same thing goes for my beloved D2G (when it isnt off as a temp phone with someone from my family of various friends)
any ideas??
and once again THANK YOU to everyone for the amazing/ super speedy help, im being sure to "thank" each and every one of you.
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How is Cromi X treating you?
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How is Cromi X treating you?
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currently installing now.... WOWED by the install process. unlike anything ive seen on android thus far. i have very high hopes that this will fix my problem of lag as my best guess was that it was caused by the I/O scheduling and this "fixes" that weak point.
if you have any thoughts regarding my previous post; please share!
ill edit this in a little bit once its installed and i play around a bit.
thanks again for all the help!
:good:
-b
AWESOME! its finally working how it should be!
super fast and clean. not a lot of customizing from what i see though :/
and its working fast for now even with the same I/O setup as before (interactive/cfq) but are there more performance options buried somewhere i just am not seeing?? or is that perhaps relating to a specific kernel i should have chosen? if thats the case, would you recommend the best kernel for me?? thanks so much for the help once again
bschmidy10 said:
currently installing now.... WOWED by the install process. unlike anything ive seen on android thus far. i have very high hopes that this will fix my problem of lag as my best guess was that it was caused by the I/O scheduling and this "fixes" that weak point.
if you have any thoughts regarding my previous post; please share!
ill edit this in a little bit once its installed and i play around a bit.
thanks again for all the help!
:good:
-b
AWESOME! its finally working how it should be!
super fast and clean. not a lot of customizing from what i see though :/
and its working fast for now even with the same I/O setup as before (interactive/cfq) but are there more performance options buried somewhere i just am not seeing?? or is that perhaps relating to a specific kernel i should have chosen? if thats the case, would you recommend the best kernel for me?? thanks so much for the help once again
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Yeah, the Aroma installer is slick
Cromi-X is based on the stock rom and supposed to have a "stock only much better' feel. So no, not that many options for customizing. I love pjc21's color mod - wouldn't live without it.
CM is about customizing, this one is about stability...
The kernel installer makes it easy to switch and try kernels (no wipes necessary).
I go for _that's v4 kernel because I crave and look for stability.
The two other most popular kernels for this tab are Max's and Hund's.
Max's runs great but supports only FAT32 formatted external cards. So you have to have movies (large files) on your internal.
Hund's probably has the most tweaking and OC options and seems to be loved by gamers. Just tends to run pretty hot.
I would recommend you browse the relevant threads in the development section to get an idea about them.
Your idea about exchanging ideas on how to make old Android devices useful is a great one and would warrant it's own thread. Would be kinda off-topic here and tough to find for anybody else.
Don't know where the best section would be on XDA, but I would love to brainstorm on that topic.
I'm using my old Droid 1 as a navigation device/music player in my car. On longer trips I use my current phone to create a hotspot and stream radio and provide internet connectivity for it. But the D1 lives in the car (and is old enough not to attract thieves - I hope).
My old Droid 4 lives in it's dock on the kitchen counter, is connected to Bluetooth speakers and functions as internet radio/music/picture streaming device/shopping list taker (in Evernote and synced to my other devices) and a quick "check something on the web" go-to.
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currently installing now.... WOWED by the install process. unlike anything ive seen on android thus far. i have very high hopes that this will fix my problem of lag as my best guess was that it was caused by the I/O scheduling and this "fixes" that weak point.
if you have any thoughts regarding my previous post; please share!
ill edit this in a little bit once its installed and i play around a bit.
thanks again for all the help!
:good:
-b
AWESOME! its finally working how it should be!
super fast and clean. not a lot of customizing from what i see though :/
and its working fast for now even with the same I/O setup as before (interactive/cfq) but are there more performance options buried somewhere i just am not seeing?? or is that perhaps relating to a specific kernel i should have chosen? if thats the case, would you recommend the best kernel for me?? thanks so much for the help once again
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It looks like that you like it so far with what you have. About the kernel, it would be depended what do you want to do with it or what do you want to use it for.. About the performance, you still can optimize them a little bit more to what you want to use it for most of the time.
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Yeah, the Aroma installer is slick
Cromi-X is based on the stock rom and supposed to have a "stock only much better' feel. So no, not that many options for customizing. I love pjc21's color mod - wouldn't live without it.
CM is about customizing, this one is about stability...
The kernel installer makes it easy to switch and try kernels (no wipes necessary).
I go for _that's v4 kernel because I crave and look for stability.
The two other most popular kernels for this tab are Max's and Hund's.
Max's runs great but supports only FAT32 formatted external cards. So you have to have movies (large files) on your internal.
Hund's probably has the most tweaking and OC options and seems to be loved by gamers. Just tends to run pretty hot.
I would recommend you browse the relevant threads in the development section to get an idea about them.
Your idea about exchanging ideas on how to make old Android devices useful is a great one and would warrant it's own thread. Would be kinda off-topic here and tough to find for anybody else.
Don't know where the best section would be on XDA, but I would love to brainstorm on that topic.
I'm using my old Droid 1 as a navigation device/music player in my car. On longer trips I use my current phone to create a hotspot and stream radio and provide internet connectivity for it. But the D1 lives in the car (and is old enough not to attract thieves - I hope).
My old Droid 4 lives in it's dock on the kitchen counter, is connected to Bluetooth speakers and functions as internet radio/music/picture streaming device/shopping list taker (in Evernote and synced to my other devices) and a quick "check something on the web" go-to.
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Wow! thank you so much for all the help. im really liking the performance/stability. much more important than pretty colors haha. if this kernel (_that's v4) doesnt ever seem slow to me then it has my vote!.
you're absolutely right about this not being the right place to ask about alternate android uses... i will start a thread in the general android section? kind of confusing on where to put it...
those are great ideas though! thanks for the knowledge. ill look into mounting my D1 in my car somehow in a way to provide power to it constantly without looking ugly haha. although i assume ill just give up and use my razr maxx as there is no downside of losing battery life pains.. i wish i could just set these devices up somewhere and be able to control them from another device/location.. getting docks for phones with such small screens seems pointless especially when the key feature (having a slide out keyboard on the D1 and D2G) would require being taken off the dock anyways.
thanks again
-b
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It looks like that you like it so far with what you have. About the kernel, it would be depended what do you want to do with it or what do you want to use it for.. About the performance, you still can optimize them a little bit more to what you want to use it for most of the time.
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regarding the kernel... i have no idea why the device is now running like butter being on the same settings as it was before the change in roms. i know roms change...well... everything.. but i thought pure performance was heavily related to the schedulers and other related settings having to do with the components.
what do you mean regarding the performance? is there a built in tweaking menu? or are you referring to the usual array of tweaking "apps" such as memory optimizing, seeder, set cpu..etc.?
thanks!
-b
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regarding the kernel... i have no idea why the device is now running like butter being on the same settings as it was before the change in roms. i know roms change...well... everything.. but i thought pure performance was heavily related to the schedulers and other related settings having to do with the components.
what do you mean regarding the performance? is there a built in tweaking menu? or are you referring to the usual array of tweaking "apps" such as memory optimizing, seeder, set cpu..etc.?
thanks!
-b
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The reason it's running like butter is that sbdags & co optimized all the settings, schedulers etc with this hardware the Asus engineers missed.
Seeder causes issues with this rom, don't use it. And seriously - I doubt there is much left to improve on it.
Feel free to try - but I would make sure you have a nandroid if things go haywire. I think CROMi-X with your choice of kernel is as good as it gets on the TF700.
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berndblb said:
The reason it's running like butter is that sbdags & co optimized all the settings, schedulers etc with this hardware the Asus engineers missed.
Seeder causes issues with this rom, don't use it. And seriously - I doubt there is much left to improve on it.
Feel free to try - but I would make sure you have a nandroid if things go haywire. I think CROMi-X with your choice of kernel is as good as it gets on the TF700.
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i will heed your advice and not attempt to "optimize" it any farther than it already is. from the looks of things, luckily i wont have to!!
thanks for all the help from you and 'LetMeKnow'.
-b
bschmidy10;4470297berndblb7 said:
regarding the kernel... i have no idea why the device is now running like butter being on the same settings as it was before the change in roms. i know roms change...well... everything.. but i thought pure performance was heavily related to the schedulers and other related settings having to do with the components.
what do you mean regarding the performance? is there a built in tweaking menu? or are you referring to the usual array of tweaking "apps" such as memory optimizing, seeder, set cpu..etc.?
thanks!
-b
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If you read the post explaining by berndblb, Cromi x is already tweaked. Sbdags is very good in updating his rom with new tweaks to make the rom runnig as smooth as posible.. However, you still can optimize them the ways that you like.. Let me trying to answer your questions. For the performance, there is still room for you to get more out of it by optimize those tweaks from the rom and kernel. Second, I don't think there is a tweaking menu during installing except for the Fsync option. I personally like to disable the Fsync because it improves the speed a lot. Third, I don't like using tweaking apps as all. Sometime, they do more harm than good. If you really want to mess around with your device, you have to get dirty to dive deep in your system and play with it. With the custom rom and kernel, they have created a certain folders that you can modify the values that you like. However, you must back up your device before messing arounnd with your system. I have so many bootloops when I apply wrong tweaks but you can restore your back up and back running again without any problem. However, if you know the new tweaks that others are using without problems, then normally you are safe to use them. I hope that helps clear a few things for you..
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bschmidy10 said:
i will heed your advice and not attempt to "optimize" it any farther than it already is. from the looks of things, luckily i wont have to!!
thanks for all the help from you and 'LetMeKnow'.
-b
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We all are here to help each others out and glad that you are happy with your new set up..
I want to start experimenting with custom ROMs, and figured CROMi-X or Cyanogenmod would be a good place to start. What would be a good one to start with, and what are the benefits of one over the other?
I can't speak to the differences but i recently did my first root and flash and really like CROMi-X, the performance is leaps and bounds better than stock and its easy to install
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I'm thinking CROMi-X will be the way to go since it's close to what I'm used to. I just don't want to get one set up the way I like it, and then change ROMs because I find out I like the features of the one I didn't install.
Milkdudengr said:
I'm thinking CROMi-X will be the way to go since it's close to what I'm used to. I just don't want to get one set up the way I like it, and then change ROMs because I find out I like the features of the one I didn't install.
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If you are looking for a look and feel close to stock, just much, much faster, go for CROMi-X. It's also more stable than CM because it based on the Asus framework.
If you want to customize to the wazoo and don't mind the occasional hiccup, go for CM. It is build from the ground up and offers way more options to personalize the tablet.
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Unfortunately, I have to say that CM is even slower than stock. Very annoying. CROMi is way better and faster. Did not try the X version yet but it should be fast a well. Please let us know about you experience either way.
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berndblb said:
If you are looking for a look and feel close to stock, just much, much faster, go for CROMi-X. It's also more stable than CM because it based on the Asus framework.
If you want to customize to the wazoo and don't mind the occasional hiccup, go for CM. It is build from the ground up and offers way more options to personalize the tablet.
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Other than customizing how it looks, what are some of the other options that can be customized?
jackdbr said:
Unfortunately, I have to say that CM is even slower than stock. Very annoying. CROMi is way better and faster. Did not try the X version yet but it should be fast a well. Please let us know about you experience either way.
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That is one thing I was wanting to get away from. It drives me nuts how slow the stock ROM can be!
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Other than customizing how it looks, what are some of the other options that can be customized?
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Er....
Kernel - 5 choices now I think
DPI - Pixel definiton
Resolution 1080p or 720p
Which Asus Apps you want / don't want
Which Google Apps you want / don't want
5 different boot animations
Loads of performance tweaks incluing overclocking, underclocking, over volting, under volting
Additional options and menus
Full theme support through the excellent Colour Theme Mod (Change colours of almost anything and battery icons etc)
And loads more.
In fact I probably went a bit mad on the number of permutations I offer! It's a wonder they all work!
NTFS supported kernel?
Which of the cromi-x kernels support a 1Tb external drive? I flashed the ROM but I can't remember which kernel I picked during the installation. It couldn't read my external drive or a new 64 Gb microSD. I flashed back to stock which does support both BUT it is too darned slow!!!! Which should I pick next time?
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Er....
Kernel - 5 choices now I think
DPI - Pixel definiton
Resolution 1080p or 720p
Which Asus Apps you want / don't want
Which Google Apps you want / don't want
5 different boot animations
Loads of performance tweaks incluing overclocking, underclocking, over volting, under volting
Additional options and menus
Full theme support through the excellent Colour Theme Mod (Change colours of almost anything and battery icons etc)
And loads more.
In fact I probably went a bit mad on the number of permutations I offer! It's a wonder they all work!
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I went ahead and installed CROMi-X, and I have to say I'm glad I did! I like being able to customize my electronics, so all the options are great! Thanks for the excellent work!
grammageek said:
Which of the cromi-x kernels support a 1Tb external drive? I flashed the ROM but I can't remember which kernel I picked during the installation. It couldn't read my external drive or a new 64 Gb microSD. I flashed back to stock which does support both BUT it is too darned slow!!!! Which should I pick next time?
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Try that's OC variant
Went Cromi and very happy with speed, stability and overall performance.
Can you move from Cyanogen to CROMi-X?
Milkdudengr said:
I went ahead and installed CROMi-X, and I have to say I'm glad I did! I like being able to customize my electronics, so all the options are great! Thanks for the excellent work!
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I am on Cyanogen - how do i move to CROMi-X - not sure what are the steps.
I am unlocked with Clockwors Mod recovery...
Thanks
Massi
ghislandi said:
I am on Cyanogen - how do i move to CROMi-X - not sure what are the steps.
I am unlocked with Clockwors Mod recovery...
Thanks
Massi
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When I installed CROMi-X, I just followed the steps here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2425383
I have to say, I'm glad I did!
CROMi-X
berndblb probably summed it up the best in Post #4 but for me the only customROM choice is CROMi-X!!!
There are plenty of options and choices from rock solid stable to flying out of your hand fast but the most significant reason is you get a personalized team devoted to CROMi development, From the Master sbdags to the kernel developers, the software contributors as well as the testers. They seem like one big family... You basically get a bonus feature of an "Android Classroom" with this ROM. I have learned more about my TF700 from just following along with the OP's for all the CROMi-X versions.
Good luck and have fun with CROMi-X
I've been using CROMi-X since I got my tablet last christmas. I love all of the customizations that they make available, plus all of the kernal options that they include.
Cromi-x 5 is awesome very smoothe. Would recommend anytime
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Cromi-x 5 is awesome very smoothe. Would recommend anytime
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I do like CROMi-X, using 5.1a. But I must have something not tweaked right. I still get it being bogged down when a software update from the Play Store is downloading. Also Lookout software checks everyone, so I guess that could be the culprit. But other than that, I do see some speed improvements over stock. I still have all but 3 of the Asus Apps installed. Just rooted and unlocked this week. So need to figure out what I really don't need in terms of apps.
optimizing loop
Upgraded to 5.1a odex and on every reboot go thru optimizing applications. Installed 5.1a deodex and it boots just fine. Reinstated 5.1a odex and does the same optimizing loop on every boot.
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Upgraded to 5.1a odex and on every reboot go thru optimizing applications. Installed 5.1a deodex and it boots just fine. Reinstated 5.1a odex and does the same optimizing loop on every boot.
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Choose a different kernel.
As the TF101 has been around for a LONG time and much dev has gone into ROMs, Apps, and mods, I would like to know what is the most optimized setup for this device. I want to get the most out of my TF101 and I am wondering what the fastest most stable configuration is? Also what are cool uses for this tablet...i.e. any cool ways to unlock it? Any cool ways to use the sensors inside?
I am currently running KatKiss 4.2.2 #226 with the built in kernel.
OCed to 1504 and running SmartAss V2 and Noop governors.
Antutu Benchmarks at 9566 today.
Id say you have the best config already
Be sure to run in a terminal the two optimize scripts from time to time.
su
/etc/kat/optimizedb
/etc/kat/optimizestorage
That will keep it running in tip top shape.
frederuco said:
Be sure to run in a terminal the two optimize scripts from time to time.
su
/etc/kat/optimizedb
/etc/kat/optimizestorage
That will keep it running in tip top shape.
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I just add it to crontab, too forgetful :s
Is there any reason to go to 4.3? I don't see much improvement except for the automated DB/storage optimization.
http://www.transformerforums.com/fo...f101-roms/38407-rom-jb-4-3-katkiss-tf101.html
polishfly said:
Is there any reason to go to 4.3? I don't see much improvement except for the automated DB/storage optimization.
http://www.transformerforums.com/fo...f101-roms/38407-rom-jb-4-3-katkiss-tf101.html
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Depends where you are. 4.0.3 to 4.1 is a HUGE step in performance and smoothness. 4.2 is slightly faster and 4.3 is even faster feeling to me.
Most users who go from 4.0.3 to 4.2 or 4.3 are AMAZED how it feels like a brand new updated tablet.
I am actually already on KatKiss 4.2.2 so I'm wondering if it's worth it.
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I am actually alread on KatKiss 4.2.2 so I'm wondering if it's worth it.
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I feel like it is faster.
My suggestion - backup KatKiss 4.2.2 in TWRP.
Dirty flash to 4.3 (you can dirty flash from 4.2.2 to 4.3 but cannot dirty flash from 4.3 to 4.2.2)
See if you like it better.
If not, restore 4.2.2.
Also, many of the customizations in the Control Center are not implemented yet (mostly status bar and nav bar customizations like different color buttons, glass, different battery icons, etc)
If you live by these, stick with 4.2.2.
I may wait until there is a more mature stable version with less "things that don't work" I just ran the cleanup tasks suggested above and ran AnTuTu again and scored 14000+ so I'm pretty happy where I'm at =)
I find a good total wipe(minus sdcard) with a fresh rom once in a while speeds things up. Don't you find? I've been sticking with katkiss latest 4.3.1. Going from 4.2.2 to 4.3 had storage path issues. Not sure what else. Maybe stick with 4.2.2 for now if your satisfied. 4.3.1 is fine though. Then when its ready possibly switch to Katkiss 4.3.1 v27 with split screen. That might be cool.
Katkiss V27 if you want split screen and easy swap between apps which I love. I have been running Team EOS and then Katkiss for over a year (when including both) and pretty much upgrading my rom weekly whenever a new nightly came out. The Katkiss 4.3 v25 and up has not only been the best rom I have ever used on this hardware, they have also been the most stable without a doubt and even overclocked. I think 25 has been the most stable ever but I have not done a factory reset in awhile. It may be awhile for v27 to be stable since some apps really have issues with split screen. I think it is more an issue with the apps and not the rom.
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CROMI-X 5.2.4 vs Cyanogen Mod 11 nightlies vs Omni Rom 4.4.2 vs CMB beta vs Paranoid Android 3.6 vs PAC- Man 3.99
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I'm sticking with Omni. Smoothest and kitkat. Tried cm11 and cromi-x 5.2 with various kernels
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CalPolyRock said:
I'm sticking with Omni. Smoothest and kitkat. Tried cm11 and cromi-x 5.2 with various kernels
Sent from my ASUS TF700T running OmniROM on Kit Kat!
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Do you have any benchmarks?
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Do you have any benchmarks?
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I used to play with benchmarks, trying out Hunds' & _that's various kernels. But, as most people say, benchmarks don't matter in the long run.
I used to match some of the same benchmarks posted in those threads, but things would still feel slugglish over time or during transitions.
I don't want to wait a few seconds for my keyboard to pop up every time, of for me to switch back to the home screen.
So for me, I want a tablet (and phone) that I don't have to reboot every day. I want it to wake up instantly. Keyboard pop up instantly. Multitask smoothly.
CM11 & Omni seem to do that, while Cromi-X seems to lag no matter that I try or whatever sbdags & co do to tweak the hell out of 4.2.x. Sure, a the IO lag has a lot to do with it, and if I'm downloading a big file or have something installing in the background I will always have lag with this tablet.
But, for now, I'm on Omni and pretty happy. If not, I'd say CM11 is very smooth too.
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So it's just me who finds omni rom extremely laggy? What kernel and mods and stuff are you using???
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I have found all the cm11 based ROMs very laggy so far. They don't seem to be optimised for the tf700t yet. Maybe need a bit more time?
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I used to play with benchmarks, trying out Hunds' & _that's various kernels. But, as most people say, benchmarks don't matter in the long run.
I used to match some of the same benchmarks posted in those threads, but things would still feel slugglish over time or during transitions.
I don't want to wait a few seconds for my keyboard to pop up every time, of for me to switch back to the home screen.
So for me, I want a tablet (and phone) that I don't have to reboot every day. I want it to wake up instantly. Keyboard pop up instantly. Multitask smoothly.
CM11 & Omni seem to do that, while Cromi-X seems to lag no matter that I try or whatever sbdags & co do to tweak the hell out of 4.2.x. Sure, a the IO lag has a lot to do with it, and if I'm downloading a big file or have something installing in the background I will always have lag with this tablet.
But, for now, I'm on Omni and pretty happy. If not, I'd say CM11 is very smooth too.
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I've made a lot of improvements in CROMi-X 5.3 to combat the lag when something is using the disk in the background. It's a lot better now than it was on the last few versions.
There's never going to be a definite answer on this. How do you define "lag"?
What are you looking for in your rom?
How do you use your tablet?
You just have to try them all and decide for yourself...
I'm always like: ???????????? when someone reports lag on CROMi-X. I just don't get it, because I don't have it.....
I tried CM 10.2 and CM 11 on this tablet and I found them to be slower and (to me more importantly) a hell of a lot buggier than CROMi-X!
But again: I guess not only beauty but also lag and performance is in the eye of the beholder....
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I have found all the cm11 based ROMs very laggy so far. They don't seem to be optimised for the tf700t yet. Maybe need a bit more time?
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I've made a lot of improvements in CROMi-X 5.3 to combat the lag when something is using the disk in the background. It's a lot better now than it was on the last few versions.
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@sbdags did an amazing job with 4.2. So did hunds and _that. No disrespect. Just after running 4.2 for a long time, I'd like to run something newer as long as it's responsive. I don't care about benchmarks as I said before.
I'm hoping sbdags have the chance to do the same with 4.3 or 4.4 if Asus releases it for the 700, or 701 and then back port to the 700.
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@sbdags did an amazing job with 4.2. So did hunds and _that. No disrespect. Just after running 4.2 for a long time, I'd like to run something newer as long as it's responsive. I don't care about benchmarks as I said before.
I'm hoping sbdags have the chance to do the same with 4.3 or 4.4 if Asus releases it for the 700, or 701 and then back port to the 700.
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Newer and frankenrom'd doesn't translate into "better" IMHO.. But everybody rolls differently...
sbdags released his beta for the TF701 on 4.3 already. There won't be much porting back though - Tegra4 framework is just too different. But I bet the roms for the Tf701 will be even better because he has so much experience with tweaking the Asus roms
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There's never going to be a definite answer on this. How do you define "lag"?
What are you looking for in your rom?
How do you use your tablet?
You just have to try them all and decide for yourself...
I'm always like: ???????????? when someone reports lag on CROMi-X. I just don't get it, because I don't have it.....
I tried CM 10.2 and CM 11 on this tablet and I found them to be slower and (to me more importantly) a hell of a lot buggier than CROMi-X!
But again: I guess not only beauty but also lag and performance is in the eye of the beholder....
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Have you watched the Google's 2012 I/O keynote where Google introduced Android 4.1 and Project Butter? Google has clearly defined what they perceive as lag in Android as situations where the UI's frame rate drops below 60 fps and you can clearly see stutter in animation, which is why Google also introduced Systrace to profile app performance. If the frame rate drops significantly below 60 fps (which I always encounter in the stock app drawer), you will see things like transition effect stutters when swiping between pages or the laggy fly-in effect when you open the app drawer. If you have a Nexus 10 to compare, the difference in terms of frame rate is so apparent that it is almost impossible not to notice. If someone had a high-end camera that can capture 60 fps or 120fps videos like the one Google used to demo Android 4.1, we could easily capture all these instances of lags on videos and had a more scientific discussion. To me, the Nexus 10 is the gold standard of 10-inch tablet performance and I have yet to see another non-Nexus 10-inch tablet (besides the iPad, if I may) that deliver the same level of performance, regardless of ROMs being used.
Moreover, not to discount the work that the xda community has put into improving performance, there are simply too many ways that you can make an Android device drop frames here and there. Even powerful devices like the Note 3 can fail to deliver constant 60 fps UI frame rate. I'm sure with the right combination of widgets and apps, you can also make the Nexus 10 stutter. Or simply, you can just fill up 90% of the internal storage and watch how the performance degrades. To be honest, it is much harder to believe that there is no lag at all, regardless of devices and ROMs that you use. Even Google said that Project Butter is not perfect and still an ongoing effort.
Lastly, workload can also dramatically affect performance and make instances of lags more noticeable, so your usage pattern is a factor. Personally, even on CROMI-X, my tablet could become really laggy if I used it for my work like the other day, even with only 3 apps in my recent apps list: Adobe Reader to read a big pdf file (a 100-page annual report of a company, with a lot of text and images), the stock Browser to research relevant information with around 10 tabs, one being facebook desktop site (seriously, the facebook desktop site is really terrible on Android), Merriam Webster Dictionary app to look up certain words, all in landscape mode. In that scenario, my tf700 performed just like a big slide show.
+1 all the way.
BUT reg the Nexus: No external storage - no deal. For me......
berndblb said:
+1 all the way.
BUT reg the Nexus: No external storage - no deal. For me......
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I am in the same boat as you, which is why I am very excited to see more of those Google Play Edition devices. I highly doubt that there will ever be a Google Play Edition Transformer tablet, but it would be fantastic to have one.
CMB
I switched from CROMi-X to CMB (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2577165) a couple of days ago and I am really happy with it.
@lj50036 has done a great job and so far I haven't had any issues/sluggishness although it is based off CM11. The dock works like a charm as well
The only thing that did not work was being able to use ART on CMB for me.