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HTC ThunderBolt And Incredable s (BUILD TO BE LOCKED DOWN)

THE REASON WE ARE HAVING SO MANY ISSUES PORTING DIFFERENT ROMS FOR THIS DEVICE IS BECCAUSE OURS AND THE I.S HAS HIDDEN SECURITY FEATURES. Read ME: http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/24/htc-locks-down-incredible-s-against-custom-roms-too-starts-a-fi/
HTC's goal was to give us a hard time developing for this device!
READ ME:http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...-bootloader-and-recovery-are-signed-as-well/:

Your second link is dead but I agree that HTC is building their own coffin at this point. That's one of the main reasons why i returned my Atrix. If we buy your device we should be able to freely modify as we see fit!

How does this affect the TB now? Aren't we already past this security with S-OFF and CWM installed?

R.I.P H.T.C
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YES BUT A SOURCE FROM HTC THAT WILL REMAIN UN NAMED. TOLD ME THERE ARE MANY HIDDEN SECURITY FEATURES IN THIS DEVICE THAT'S WHY WE CAN'T KEEP SU RUNNING SMOOTH...
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Jaywan said:
THE REASON WE ARE HAVING SO MANY ISSUES PORTING DIFFERENT ROMS FOR THIS DEVICE IS BECCAUSE OURS AND THE I.S HAS HIDDEN SECURITY FEATURES. Read ME: http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/24/htc-locks-down-incredible-s-against-custom-roms-too-starts-a-fi/
HTC's goal was to give us a hard time developing for this device!
READ ME:http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...-bootloader-and-recovery-are-signed-as-well/:
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I'm sure it's Verizon behind this, and not HTC doing it by choice. It is in HTC's best interest to just follow Big Red's wishes, and it doesn't appear that they are locking things down in the same way that Motorola is these days. Aside from the "locked" bootloader and memory, what hidden security features are we running into?

Probably not HTC at all.. They are probably just filling a requirement. Its probably the carriers in reality and they need to create products that meet their customers requests.... Verizon, ATT etc and we are their customers. After all they want to make $20 for tethering etc. More they can lock down more they can charge..

So much for Android being "open" forever....

The bootloader hasn't been an issue since basically day 1.
I have a hard time believing there's mysterious secret features in the phone that give us a hard time modding it.
HTC could have gone the Motorola route and encrypted the bootloader, but they didn't.
I haven't had any issues with su.

Jaywan said:
YES BUT A SOURCE FROM HTC THAT WILL REMAIN UN NAMED. TOLD ME THERE ARE MANY HIDDEN SECURITY FEATURES IN THIS DEVICE THAT'S WHY WE CAN'T KEEP SU RUNNING SMOOTH...
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Hardware based? I'm not an expert but once the kernel source is available wont we have access the all the code meaning we would see any hidden landmines?

Jaywan said:
YES BUT A SOURCE FROM HTC THAT WILL REMAIN UN NAMED. TOLD ME THERE ARE MANY HIDDEN SECURITY FEATURES IN THIS DEVICE THAT'S WHY WE CAN'T KEEP SU RUNNING SMOOTH...
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I've ran 4 ROM's on my Thunderbolt and since updating to the newest SU I have not had 1 issue with it running smooth...

Boss428man said:
Probably not HTC at all.. They are probably just filling a requirement. Its probably the carriers in reality and they need to create products that meet their customers requests.... Verizon, ATT etc and we are their customers. After all they want to make $20 for tethering etc. More they can lock down more they can charge..
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Ive seen the tethering argument made before but I don't see how that would affect anything. Even devices with high security and a signed bootloader can be rooted to allow free tethering, a custom rom is not needed for this. Are there any devices that haven't been at least rooted?

bp328i said:
I've ran 4 ROM's on my Thunderbolt and since updating to the newest SU I have not had 1 issue with it running smooth...
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+1 I waited to root until the new su was available and I have yet to lose root on any rom.
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Yep nor have I had a single issue with su. Its to Vee expected the first week that you have su issues.
That being said i have yet to have a permissions issue. I have changed my rom i have already edited my framework and so fourth with no problems. S off. Stands for security off incase you were wondering
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Look at who Engadget and AndroidPolice sources for those articles (us, TeamAndIRC). So take this comment based on that.
This posting is utterly inaccurate.
We have removed all those cited "security features" in the thunderbolt.
This thread is in the wrong section as well.

Jaywan said:
YES BUT A SOURCE FROM HTC THAT WILL REMAIN UN NAMED. TOLD ME THERE ARE MANY HIDDEN SECURITY FEATURES IN THIS DEVICE THAT'S WHY WE CAN'T KEEP SU RUNNING SMOOTH...
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SU runs great on my device. Tell your source to hit me up if he wants his su fixed.

jcase said:
Look at who Engadget and AndroidPolice sources for those articles (us, TeamAndIRC). So take this comment based on that.
This posting is utterly inaccurate.
We have removed all those cited "security features" in the thunderbolt, and they don't exist in the incredible.
This thread is in the wrong section as well.
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Bring the HAMMER down Thanks for the info.

Jaywan said:
YES BUT A SOURCE FROM HTC THAT WILL REMAIN UN NAMED. TOLD ME THERE ARE MANY HIDDEN SECURITY FEATURES IN THIS DEVICE THAT'S WHY WE CAN'T KEEP SU RUNNING SMOOTH...
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The superuser issues stem from sqlite db handling, and were addressed before this device launched. The first rooting threads were just distributing older files.
Locking down of devices is likely more carrier influenced than manufacturer, as they have considerably more reasons to want customers locked out of their hardware.
The security mechanisms have been owned, at this point theres not much to worry about (for shipped devices anyways). They could always update the hw to a.newer more secure revision, but that would be quite costly and not likely to happen at all.
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SU runs great on my device. Tell your source to hit me up if he wants his su fixed.
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LOL....awesome post!!!

Wasn't the su issues just from the change made in Sense more than anything else? And I'll join the chorus saying I've had no issues since the updated su.

Which Anti-Virus are you using?

hey guys, which anti-virus u r using. and any pros and cons of that AV.
and do we actually need an AV?
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I have been using my phone for two months and havent installed any antivirus..i didnt have any problem..
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I don't think smartphone really need AV app in this time.
Anti-theft is better, such as "Android lost"

I don't use one now but avast is pretty good

so, we need not use any anti virus???
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Super_Commando said:
so, we need not use any anti virus???
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Nope..unless you are paranoid
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Super_Commando said:
hey guys, which anti-virus u r using. and any pros and cons of that AV.
and do we actually need an AV?
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Open source does not mean there will be more security holes. The collective efforts ensure more bugs are sniffed out and patches produced more quickly. When we consider the history of viruses with Windows servers versus Linux, the argument above faultily asserts that Linux loses. However the fact is the the Open Source Linux OS is the one that is more secure. The collective efforts all have a high concern for security of their efforts. Also, although the Android OS is Open Source, what we get on our devices, that code is not immediately made open to the public. The OEMs release that code months later, anyone who was truly "savvy" about this industry would know that.
The question of the OP whether you need anti-virus software for Android, and the answer is no. The fact that because the Android browser accepts cookies, doesn't somehow mean all Android devices are at risk of a virus that has never yet been developed. Fact is, that issues with Android come via applications that are installed, especially when they physically enable a setting to side load apps, the device owner is able to see fully what rights that application wants to use before installing it and they install anyway. This is not an issue of visiting a certain web page and suddenly you're infected, that's not how Android works and it is not comparable to Windows.
On my Windows PC, I just had to install well over 10 patches and there are always so many Microsoft has to roll them out in monthly batches. So it's certainly requiring a heck of a lot of frequent updates.
So, to recap: you do NOT need an anti virus application. Android OS is unlike Windows, and you'll just be using unnecessary storage space and battery usage with that sucker searching your system for "suspects". Don't bother with them, you'll be just fine without...
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If you do a fair amount of passing attachments back and forth to windows users, especially windows users who might not keep their own antivirus up to date, it might be a good idea to have it installed. At least you won't be infecting others or perpetuating viruses.
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Open source does not mean there will be more security holes. The collective efforts ensure more bugs are sniffed out and patches produced more quickly. When we consider the history of viruses with Windows servers versus Linux, the argument above faultily asserts that Linux loses. However the fact is the the Open Source Linux OS is the one that is more secure. The collective efforts all have a high concern for security of their efforts. Also, although the Android OS is Open Source, what we get on our devices, that code is not immediately made open to the public. The OEMs release that code months later, anyone who was truly "savvy" about this industry would know that.
The question of the OP whether you need anti-virus software for Android, and the answer is no...
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While I agree with the no, I don't agree with the Linux argument.... A relatively small percentage of people actually run Linux, and those that do tend to be computer savy. That means last small, maybe even minscule, 'reward' to the virus makers. Apple, on the other hand, does a good job of keeping security holes out of their computers. While I like my mac book pro and will prolly buy another, there is a reason I'm on Android. Mainly because it rocks. =)
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cowenby said:
While I agree with the no, I don't agree with the Linux argument.... A relatively small percentage of people actually run Linux, and those that do tend to be computer savy. That means last small, maybe even minscule, 'reward' to the virus makers. Apple, on the other hand, does a good job of keeping security holes out of their computers. While I like my mac book pro and will prolly buy another, there is a reason I'm on Android. Mainly because it rocks. =)
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If you've ever run a Linux distro, any of them, comparatively alongside a Windows machine, you'll notice one of many fundamental differences: security updates. While Windows seemingly pushes out several 'patches' weekly and more frequently monthly, Linux OS machines simply do not see these near as often. Why? Because of the reasons I listed above. You don't have to agree, and certainly if you've never had any real experience running a Linux distro, but nonetheless, the differences and signifiers of security (or lack thereof) dynamics are quite categorical...

Anti virus / Malware / Firewall

I am looking for real world users with knowledge to suggest, recommend, or advise me in my quest of needing or not needing a Anti virus / Malware / Firewall application on my Android device. With consideration of cost not to be a factor.
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To know. Android has no viruses. Yo dont have a need to a n antivirus app. Its just for tracking you phone if Its lost or for paying attention to the opened usb drbbuging. Or for the high risk apps on the mobile .
Hit Thanks if I helped you.
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Android has vulnerabilities. Anti virus apps will do nothing except slow your phone down. If you want to avoid vulnerabilities, don't download cracked apps, and only download from Google play store, or another trusted source, like f-droid. As long as you do this, you'll be very safe. If you'd like lost phone tracking, I'd recommend Cerberus.

I personally use kaspersky antivirus wich is great And simple to use !
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It's not needed because android is based on Linux and Linux has a better security model and system.
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why not
As a very computer savvy 'dude', I would say that some of the free security apps are not such a bad thing to install. Linux is very good, however it is open source which means every update that comes out is because a bunch of people found vulnerabilities in the code, so it needs to be patched. I am a Net +, Security +, and Certified Ethical Hacker certified (although the Ethical is usually "X"ed out )) but many in my 'field' run some type of AV --even on their home linux computer, not just the droid. heck, most of us password secure our phones. we are pretty paranoid as a rule of thumb, but it certainly only adds a level of confidence that you are protected.
Like I said, their are plenty of good freeware, just google it, and try em out!!
But I will say the android is more secure than iCrap.

Kaspersky mobile security is the best..
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most of the antivirus apps are bloatware/malware themselves. Don't install suspicious apps and keep an eye on your resources, you should be fine.

The AVG has a decent app tp android... But i guess it´s useless, because those antivirus app does not anything!

Most anti virus also have anti theft and loss prevention capabilities ... it's not a bad idea to grab one ... lookout has some nice free features

How does android have no viruses? You are saying that there is no one out there that codes maliciously for android devices.... should I also believe that all dogs boys and all cats are girls?
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Dear XDA memebers I found a Backdoor on all Androids Frimeware :'( NoBody believe me
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I've used Lookout for a couple of years. Seems to serve it's purpose.
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Mohamed Khaled Mk said:
To know. Android has no viruses. Yo dont have a need to a n antivirus app. Its just for tracking you phone if Its lost or for paying attention to the opened usb drbbuging. Or for the high risk apps on the mobile .
Hit Thanks if I helped you.
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Wrong.... Virus on android exist! And the real problems with Android (vs iOS), it that you can install .apk without rooting your.phone! 80% of the infect stuff come from apk and about 20% from ads in free apps!
For the initial question, I personally use AVG Pro ($9.99). Antivirus, anti-malware and anti-spyware. You have a privacy protection include and safe web browsing.
Oh, there's an lost device option too... You can find it on a Google Map!
Chris
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I use avast antivirus and I am fine. It has many features including firewall protection app and could also operate as an alarm. This function, however I still do not know how to use.

Best combinations for Non-rooted users
Antivirus : Avast
Firewall: Mobiwol Firewall
Try it and see!
GL

Mohamed Khaled Mk said:
To know. Android has no viruses. Yo dont have a need to a n antivirus app.
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Well, there are about 300 distinct families of viruses for Android, and about 60,000 variants (if not more). All the markets, both official and unoffical, have been affected at some point.
According to Google's last talk at VB2013, if you run an unmodified ROM with App Verify enabled and you download apps only from the Google Play Store, you have 0.1% probability of getting infected. Nevertheless, there are about 100 antivirus apps which, in addition to detecting known viruses, help the user to track a lost phone (for instance).
I believe it's quite incorrect to say that "Android has no viruses".

I agree that anti-virus app will slow down your phone if your phone's cpu is not strong.

CyanogenMod comes with as built in permission manager. When you install any app, you can see the permissions the app uses. If something is suspicious, just block that permission using permission manager.
And for firewall there is droid wall which is dead simple but works spot on!
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uniquesky said:
I agree that anti-virus app will slow down your phone if your phone's cpu is not strong.
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It is true, my phone became slow when I installed Kaspersky for Android.

Cellebrite Pwning Android

I was originally going to pm this link to a few but figured others might still have never seen these. This particular vid is the cellebrite removing lock screens on Samsung devices. Have not yet done any research into their software or hardware but it might be of use to some current projects here.
http://youtu.be/6-ND_hAPkwI
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AlchemicalVibrations said:
I was originally going to pm this link to a few but figured others might still have never seen these. This particular vid is the cellebrite removing lock screens on Samsung devices. Have not yet done any research into their software or hardware but it might be of use to some current projects here.
http://youtu.be/6-ND_hAPkwI
@jcase @E:V:A @SecUpwN
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It is an old, and now patched, vulnerability. I ended up with a call recently from a drug taskforce, because it no longer worked.

I would like to revisit this thread to access the current state of cellibrite UFED features against android.
Does any1 know of a working strategy against cellebrite UFEDs? Disabling MTP app and KIES USB / USB settings would be enough (owner of an Edge+ here)? I don´t have access to a cellebrite unit, but I would like to hear from you guys if there is anything that I can do to keep my cellphone private. Please consider stock rom and no rooting... (if possible).
So far, I have disabled more than 170 packages, including USB related ones. USB debbuging is off. The whole idea is to keep phone data inaccessible to external access through the USB, considering that the phone itself is locked with a complex password.
Thanks in advance!

Do Android malwares exist?

Some say they don't some (including FBI) say they do.
Who is right???
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Some say they don't some (including FBI) say they do.
Who is right???
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they do exists but very less as compare to Windows.

Do anti-virus can help this problem?
Some say Android anti-virus is useless though...
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they do exists but very less as compare to Windows.
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Are you sure? In about 20 years I never saw malwares on Linux, Android and OSX. Windows only!

Yes but unless you're an idiot you won't get them

You need it though because antivirus app have safe browsing option and can help find your device if lost. Less malware though but it can detect the risk of having a kind of app. Im using lookout.
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To my experience, I've never gotten a virus. None of my phones have issues. Nor have I ever heard of it. Linux is complex system, though viruses exist everywhere. And in many forms you have a slight chance of getting a virus.
Using anti-virus apps are worthless and don't really work. They slow your device down allot, and usually ruin your experience.
Its hard to get viruses on android devices. So you shouldn't be worried.

Have fun
don't u worry child these malwares are not that harmful.
if u get any problem just reset ur device and have fun

Don't worry about them the latest Google Play Services has a lot of virus security patches

i have heard of virus on android but still have yet to get one, if you do get one, i fixed my friends chinese tablet by just factory resetting it, the only harm it does is spam adds and gets apps on your device and slows down.

Trozzul said:
i have heard of virus on android but still have yet to get one, if you do get one, i fixed my friends chinese tablet by just factory resetting it, the only harm it does is spam adds and gets apps on your device and slows down.
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Yeap, so some refer to anti virus apps and that makes it worse.