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I took several indoor and outdoor pictures yesterday, and the setting was on 5mp. The results were very disappointing. I looked at the files, and it was obvious why. They were 1mb or less. I did not find any other setting (like"fine") as on other devices (N1)?
Pictures on my N1, which has a lower mp rating, are much better. I smell a rat here.
I also took some 720p videos. A 5 minute file is 275 mb, which seems a bit lite. I will see how it looks on HD TV. Similar files from still camera with 720p HD mode look pretty good.
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I took several indoor and outdoor pictures yesterday, and the setting was on 5mp. The results were very disappointing. I looked at the files, and it was obvious why. They were 1mb or less. I did not find any other setting (like"fine") as on other devices (N1)?
Pictures on my N1, which has a lower mp rating, are much better. I smell a rat here.
I also took some 720p videos. A 5 minute file is 275 mb, which seems a bit lite. I will see how it looks on HD TV. Similar files from still camera with 720p HD mode look pretty good.
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I think the quality is pretty good but the autofocus or shutter is a bit laggy. Reminds me of digital cameras 10 years ago....
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I think the quality is pretty good but the autofocus or shutter is a bit laggy. Reminds me of digital cameras 10 years ago....
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They don't look bad on the MT4G screen, but on computer - (especially if you zoom even a little) - not as good as N1...
Update - I checked settings and the the camera was set to wide, so it apparently just crops the pictures to fit, so what you get is about 3.3 mp. Change to to 4:3, and the resolution goes up to 5mp.
I will take a few pictures set this way and see how they compare.
How about we start posting pics in this thread to see what everyone is talking about.
Seeing is believing!
Here is a pic I took yesterday while watching bad boys 2.
*Edit* this pic is 2592 x 1456 which = 3.8 mp and it's set to widescreen, setting it to 4:3 standard gives you 2592 x 1952 which = 5.1 mp
That looks pretty good! No? Or can it be better?
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i dont think its bad at all
i went to the air show yesterday
and my dogs
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqOdSWy7YK0&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Enough said.
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I don't know... I would easily trade ease of use (nice functions, dedicated shutter button, face recognition, LED flash) over many of the cameras, which may take slightly better photos.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqOdSWy7YK0&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Enough said.
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+1
I watched that video last night and I agree that the video and picture capability of the MT4G is great!
I think people just have to "try" to find something to complain about.
I LOVE THIS PHONE!!!
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I took several indoor and outdoor pictures yesterday, and the setting was on 5mp. The results were very disappointing. I looked at the files, and it was obvious why. They were 1mb or less. I did not find any other setting (like"fine") as on other devices (N1)?
Pictures on my N1, which has a lower mp rating, are much better. I smell a rat here.
I also took some 720p videos. A 5 minute file is 275 mb, which seems a bit lite. I will see how it looks on HD TV. Similar files from still camera with 720p HD mode look pretty good.
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now i believe u lose some quality when u have widescreen mode on. uncheck it take a picture and compare the 2 pictures.
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now i believe u lose some quality when u have widescreen mode on. uncheck it take a picture and compare the 2 pictures.
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There wouldn't be any difference in quality. Widescreen is simply a normal 4:3 that is digitally cropped on the top and bottom. Therefore, of course there are few pixels (lower resolution).
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqOdSWy7YK0&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Enough said.
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Get better camera quality in the light. So that looked great...
myTouch4G (Glacier)
Has anyone connected their phone to an HDTv yet, to see what video quality/pictures look like?
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There wouldn't be any difference in quality. Widescreen is simply a normal 4:3 that is digitally cropped on the top and bottom. Therefore, of course there are few pixels (lower resolution).
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yeah but some people complained about the hd2 when it would tale widescreen mode pics that it isnt true 5mp it was 4mp and if u took off widescreen mode then it was true 5mp. so thats what i am going based off of. but i still think the pictures i take in widescreen mode on the mt4g are great in widescreen mode. i have no complaints
Is there any way to boost the frames per second for the video? I've been comparing photo and video quality pretty heavily with an iPhone 4, and overall the MT4G would be "better" IF the autofocus lag was fixed, and the fps for video was 30 fps.
I find the colors and auto-levels to be superior on the MT4G, but the fps thing is really annoying.
Looks like this camera has the same problem the G2 camera has.
Download the trial of Camera 360 and set the JPEG compression to a more reasonable level. The default camera app on the G2 compresses the everloving CRAP out of the pics and makes them look TERRIBLE.
I've taken some pics with the G2 camera via Camera360 that were remarkably improved over the stock Camera app.
The pictures at 4:3 were better, but the camera 360 pictures and features are better still. Can it be set up to open with the camera button?
Update - it must be the compression in the OEM camera app - would be nice if it could be turned off. The uncompressed Camera 360 shots are twice the size at the same resolution settings. When you look at them on computer screen and zoom in - big difference!
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This thread is dedicated to user photos, videos and discussion, ImageBam and DropBox is recommended for full-size photo sharing. I also gathered a bunch of samples made by reviewers and divided those into two categories, Exynos 5 Octa (I9500, I9502, SHV-E300S) and Snapdragon 600 (I9505, SPH-L720 etc.) as there are minor differences such as a little more detail and less saturation on the Exnos 5 version.
- use Sport Mode or higher ISO to capture fast motion
- tap on focus and release upon the right moment for fast shutter response
- use Night Mode in dark for brighter results (needs steady hands)
- take multiple images or use burst mode and choose the best result later
- set volume keys for comfortable zooming
- hold the phone with two hands for steady shots, index fingers on top left and right, thumbs on bottom (left on volume keys), middle fingers parallel on the sides (landscape)
- hold the phone steady after shutter sound for a few seconds to make sure there is no shake upon capture
- use voice command function so there is no shake coming from tap
- use rich tone (HDR) mode when there's big brightness difference in the foreground and background or when the sky burns out
- do NOT use HDR when you want to capture high contrast images or when the sky is not burnt out, your result will be washed out
- use flash in daylight when there's strong light behind people
- geotag your photos to save location (drains battery)
- please, for the love of god, don't shoot videos in portrait mode
Samples taken with the Exynos Octa version (includng this post):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=39803805&postcount=29 Daylight outside and in hotel
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=39809588&postcount=31 Night shots in various ISO modes
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=39853177&postcount=43 Daylight and some insides
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=39879818&postcount=44 Sunset and night
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=39915727&postcount=49 Daylight and macro
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=39988910&postcount=56 Panorama shots (Exynos, Snapdragon)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=40001853&postcount=62 Various conditions
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=40096363&postcount=69 Studio shots
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=40140757&postcount=73 Food macros
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=40200900&postcount=74 Various shots
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=40250108&postcount=80 Photos and videos
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=40359369&postcount=93 Thai indoors and low-lights
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=40424324&postcount=101 Indoors and outdoors in good conditions
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=40542257&postcount=113 Bad weather, night
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=40701266&postcount=172 Hong Kong at night
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=40725770&postcount=175 Panoramas
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=40805475&postcount=197 Korean samples
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=40956057&postcount=248 HDR, night shots, inside
Samples taken with the Snapdragon 600 version:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=39751521&postcount=9 Daylight, sunset and low-light shots
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=39887623&postcount=48 HDR vs. normal
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=40310570&postcount=89 Drama shot mode
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=40336531&postcount=92 Day and night
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=40384077&postcount=98 Daytime
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=40457560&postcount=103 Daytime, panorama on retail version
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=40661953&postcount=152 US version samples, daytime. nighttime, indoors
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=40688873&postcount=169 US samples, outdoors
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=40725770&postcount=175 Panoramas
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=40765409&postcount=184 More US samples
Nice samples.
S4 photo quality is more than enough for me.
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Pictures look far superior than what the Sony Xperia Z can produce!
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Pictures look far superior than what the Sony Xperia Z can produce!
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Which is very strange as the Oppo Find 5 (also Sony Exmor RS, and like the S4, F2,2) also beats the Xperia Z in details, noise amount, post-processing (or lack of it)... I suspect most troubles are coming from the IP57 certified F2.4 lens, which is different to Sony's original IU135F3-Z (Exmore RS sensor + F2.2 lens).
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Which is very strange as the Oppo Find 5 (also Sony Exmor RS, and like the S4, F2,2) also beats the Xperia Z in details, noise amount, post-processing (or lack of it)... I suspect most troubles are coming from the IP57 certified F2.4 lens, which is different to Sony's original IU135F3-Z (Exmore RS sensor + F2.2 lens).
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Sony applies overcompression algorithms to its camera modules.
As a result the final picture has small size and low details.
Xperia Z is around 3 mb maximum.
very good
they look very good.....:good:
WOW they looks great! Very happy with suit. Can't wait to get my hands on this BIG.little beauty
i know someone already got S4 and send me a recorded video with it
here's the properties of the video if it could help
Snapdragon 600 samples:
http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Samsung-Galaxy-S4-Review_id3280/page/3
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Samsung-Galaxy-S-4-camera-samples-vs-iPhone-5_id40873#7-Galaxy-S-4
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s4_vs_htc_one-review-913p8.php
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s4-review-910p6.php
Strong light, medium light, low light, flash, low light face shot, low light late afternoon:
I'll bite if Samsung gives me a Galaxy S4 - Aluminum Edition. Don't care about removable battery or storage. Why can't Samsung give options? The plastic build is probably the biggest complaint people have for all Samsung phones. They do make niche metal phones (e.g. Samsung Wave, Omnia) and plenty in the past, so its not a matter of lack of experience. They are luring me back in with Adobe RGB mode. Now how about a metal version? If its the problem of yields, you can make it a slight premium and sell it online only. Everyone else who doesn't care about the plastic build can be happy with their GS4, while those of us who want a premium metal phone can eat our cake too!
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The reason for the lack of aluminum build is simple and Samsung has explained this is in the past. The HTC One takes 200 minutes to machine the aluminum for one device, now think about the amount of devices Samsung Ships, requiring 200 minutes for a device is simply not a viable option for Samsung. If they did produce an aluminum body device, expect there to be plenty of shortages.
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Camera is one the biggest improvements for me to move from note 2 to s4.
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Those photos look really good. My s3 had a horrible camera. noise Noise everywhere. The s4 seems to have gotten rid of that "feature"!
Very good photo's
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I'll bite if Samsung gives me a Galaxy S4 - Aluminum Edition. Don't care about removable battery or storage. Why can't Samsung give options? The plastic build is probably the biggest complaint people have for all Samsung phones. They do make niche metal phones (e.g. Samsung Wave, Omnia) and plenty in the past, so its not a matter of lack of experience. They are luring me back in with Adobe RGB mode. Now how about a metal version? If its the problem of yields, you can make it a slight premium and sell it online only. Everyone else who doesn't care about the plastic build can be happy with their GS4, while those of us who want a premium metal phone can eat our cake too!
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The "premium metal build" of the HTC One failed the AndroidAuthority drop test losing the top front part on the smallest drop which cannot be clicked just glued back, and was heavily dented with a broken screen on the highest drop. It also got the worst repairability score of all times by ifixit cause the glued body is impossible to open without effectively destroying the back panel, so if the smallest issue appears or your battery dies, it's weeks in repair and easily a $100 once warranty's over.
In comparison the latest Samsung flagship AA tested passed all 3 drops with small scratches and no broken parts, and the battery which sooner or later loses half the power or dies, is 5 seconds to replace. Mind too that the polycarbonate Lumia 920 is the toughest flagship out there, so while aluminum looks nice, it is ABSOLUTELY NOT an advantage in terms of build and far less practical cause you give things up you'll miss when trouble kicks in. Plus you'll put the metal beauty in an ugly case on day one. Slip metal body doesn't make premium requirements.
katamari201 said:
I'll bite if Samsung gives me a Galaxy S4 - Aluminum Edition. Don't care about removable battery or storage. Why can't Samsung give options? The plastic build is probably the biggest complaint people have for all Samsung phones. They do make niche metal phones (e.g. Samsung Wave, Omnia) and plenty in the past, so its not a matter of lack of experience. They are luring me back in with Adobe RGB mode. Now how about a metal version? If its the problem of yields, you can make it a slight premium and sell it online only. Everyone else who doesn't care about the plastic build can be happy with their GS4, while those of us who want a premium metal phone can eat our cake too!
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Why ranting all over the place, your post is way out of topic and just inappropriate for this thread. There are in fact other threads for such complaints. This is Android world of options bro, if Samsung device doesn't meet your needs, I think you will be better with other competing devices.
Thanks.
@OP, sorry for the off topic.
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Could someone here advise re camera please.
I originally had a 3gs and now had a GS2 since release and prefer android but I have missed some things from apple.
1. When I make a video from video camera for what ever length and I want to email or mms it it would say video too long and then let you trim it to an acceptable size file to send. So far I cannot see any android phone that does this including SGS4 ? The htc one does have a clever trim option and was wondering what gs4 has as still on the fence
Forgot the other thing ?
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I found it here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23nQyOpixiU&feature=youtube_gdata_player
but am hoping samsung can do this too ? Anyone know as my wife has s3 I have s2 and they don't have this feature
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the Vid rec On GS4 seems suck
lets hope the final version will be better
http://www.gsmarena.com/vidcmp.php3?idType=3&idPhone1=5125&idPhone2=3621&idPhone3=4238
http://www.gsmarena.com/vidcmp.php3?idType=3&idPhone1=5125&idPhone2=5204&idPhone3=4238
nice !!
It would be nice to hear some opinions on this following thoughts I've had, ever since I upgraded my phone last year from an iPhone 3G (2.5mp camera I think) to an Xperia Arc S, which at the time was the highest quality / size MP camera on a phone at 8MP, which is still a decent size for a phone camera today, as mid-ranged phones usually start at around 5-8MP and the super smart phones these days are running upward of 10MP, I think 13MP is the highest, at least on Android, that Nokia Symbian phone was like... 42MP? Or at least the fidelity / quality resembled that due to its massive lens housing, god knows what was in there, but if I remember rightly it was only 5MP images... Someone correct me.
Anyway, with my Arc S at 8MP, the images are fairly decent, I mean they're never going to be used for print, so it doesn't really need to be higher. However, as an art graduate, I spend time when I can taking photographs, and I have a 14MP Sony NEX 5, which as standard is already a better quality sensor than the tiny ones that make it into a phone.
My first point is it's still only 1MP higher than these smartphones, which makes me think; say I upgrade my phone in 1 year when 16MP is the highest, now we've gone over, for me I'm reluctant to go higher than my camera because I'd probably be swayed to using the phone more for photography, though the phones would probably have to be double the MP of a decent camera to really compare.
Secondly, Lenses, well the one on my Arc S is fairly standard, though probably more complex than some others as I think it has 7 layers of various shaped pieces of glass. But when it comes down to it, any photographer will tell you it's almost 100% the lens that really makes a photograph what it is, the phones are getting better quality, but the lenses probably aren't, the phones are constantly trying to get thinner which doesn't help matters, but phones have actually gotten fatter sue to bigger screens needing bigger battery, so I'm unsure on this part of the topic.
The lenses I use on my NEX are Canon FD mounts, a format from the early to mid 70's all the way up to about 1994, they are manual lenses because of their age and incompatibility with modern auto-focus, but the quality is superb, and I'm not just saying it, one of the lenses is a 1.4 50mm prime, and can do some great shots, though the camera isn't full frame so the lens works out at 75mm, but I also have a 28mm 2.2 (I think?) prime, which works out around 42mm and is really good.
Both lenses are dated between 1972 and 1982, and no current phone could replicate the fidelity, bokeh and colour, which is one of the reasons why proper cameras will always have the advantage. (The NEX doesn't have a mirror inside so can replicate the original setup of older cameras easily, meaning a huge number of adaptors allows tons of different lenses to become available)
However with the Nokia pureview phone (still don't remember its name... 850?...) It had a body capable of housing some very interesting tech, that hasn't really been used since, at least to my knowledge. Seeing some pictures online really showed you what this phone was capable of, I think the resolution of the images were in the ten thousands X whatever, and remained really sharp, for a phone at least. Maybe it's lack of success is due to it been on a non-leading OS at the time, I can imagine people would want a camera with maybe an Android phone? (Which apparently, Nokia are working on) so maybe it will see it's true colours shine on a larger base OS. If this tech is worth the larger body size of a phone, people are going to want it...
And lastly, Convenience. One of the main points of having a camera is to be able to capture moments WHENEVER, and having a decent camera on a phone has been a growing trend over the past few years, with the growth of social networks, YouTube and Instagram. And you're more likely to have a phone with you than a camera for a situation that's spontaneous.
So what are peoples thoughts? A few months back Jessops one of the leading camera sales company in the UK went into administration, with only a few stores been saved;
Will we see a heightening trend amongst phones been used instead of standalone cameras?
Will they (DSLR's etc) be phased out completely?
Are you an avid photographer with your phone, or do you use a standalone camera?
Am I wrong?
I'd like to hear some opinions, hopefuly some educated ones on the subject will give a sense on the spectrum of issues.
Another point to consider, Smart-Cameras, the new trend of cameras running Android, though I don't think any have interchangeable lenses.
Thanks for reading, also... You may need to change some 'if's to 'of's because my phone has a habit of changing my words.
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I use my phone for everyday rubbish shots (whatsapp and such) and storing information (bustimes, lists, important stuff i take a snapshot of.) .
It will NEVER replace my DSLR.
It simply lacks the functionalities of one. So long as I can't set aperture and change lenses, it's not a real camera. I need my telezoom and macro lenses.
You can't seriously expect a phone, even that 42mp one to be as high - quality as a dslr. Too many pixels crammed into way too small a sensor. As it has always been with phones.
Not to mention, phones lack the power of a dslr. Ever tried taking nightshots with a phone? They're bad. Very bad. Or high speed shots. Nuhuh, they cant. Or far-zoom?
Lets face it, cameras on phones are not meant for professionals. They're meant for people on facebook, twitter and instagram.
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I use my phone for everyday rubbish shots (whatsapp and such) and storing information (bustimes, lists, important stuff i take a snapshot of.) .
It will NEVER replace my DSLR.
It simply lacks the functionalities of one. So long as I can't set aperture and change lenses, it's not a real camera. I need my telezoom and macro lenses.
You can't seriously expect a phone, even that 42mp one to be as high - quality as a dslr. Too many pixels crammed into way too small a sensor. As it has always been with phones.
Not to mention, phones lack the power of a dslr. Ever tried taking nightshots with a phone? They're bad. Very bad. Or high speed shots. Nuhuh, they cant. Or far-zoom?
Lets face it, cameras on phones are not meant for professionals. They're meant for people on facebook, twitter and instagram.
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Man how can you compare a DSLR with a smartphone camera??, a DSLR is a camera with an awesome quality and the smartphone camera is only a phone with a decent camera and not for pro- photographers.. i would always choose a DLSR over a smartphone camera. And by the way i agree with ShadowLea that you can't cram 42mp in a small lens!!! it is outrageous!
Well, it's to do with trends, if you agree or not is a different matter, but lots of pro photographers and teachers will tell you if you ask, about how important this new revolution is, the quality you can get is pretty good, even compared to digital cameras less than 10 years ago.
If it can take photographs then it's a valid form, there are pro photographers then spend lots of their time using phones for photography, 5MP and decent light is enough, some of these phones are better quality than the point and shoot cameras of recent past.
Instagram, though trendy is a very valid post processing tool, just because the majority of people use it recreationaly it doesn't diminish its power, and usage.
People use Polaroid cameras all the time, and they're quite limited, and the quality can vary greatly. You can't change the lens, and you can't really adjust any settings.
Polaroid is probably most comparable to the quality of the mid range smartphones.
As for the Nokia 41MP camera phone, if you actually look at the images you can get a good sense of the quality. The short article can be found here:
http://www.extremetech.com/electron...review-camera-finally-coming-to-windows-phone
You can also easily find examples by doing an image search on Nokia Pureview.
The convenience of a very good quality camera phone can allow for great photos, which is why it's really taking off as a trend.
Denying it is the same arguments as saying Digital is better than Film, though there are still counter arguments, benefits and people still use film cameras and Polaroid.
There's a statistic recently that goes something like; there have been more photographs taken in 2012 than all previous years since photography's invention combined.
I'm not sure if that's word for word correct, but I think it was on a Vsauce YouTube video not long back.
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I think you need to understand that Professional stands for "getting paid for your work" or "being an accomplished/awarded photographer" and not "I can hold a camera!".
Yes, there have been more photo's taken in the last year than since the invention of the photograph. I do hope you are also aware that this includes every halfbrained moron on Instagram and Facebook posting their friday-night drunk shots.
No selfrespecting real photographer uses a phone's camera for his or her work. The only ones that do are either A, doing an experiment, or B, people on the internet fooling themselves into thinking they're photographers.
PHONE CAMERAS DO NOT HAVE APERATURE SETTINGS. And that's where it all ends. There isn't a single pro or semi-pro who uses a fixed aperature camera.
42MP doesn't make a bloody difference if the sensor is meant for 2MP. The photo's may look fine on the internet, but newsflash: Your monitor is 72DPI, not 300. And a 6000x6000 pixel image is always going to look amazing when downsized to 1920x1080 or lower. (which is what every website does.)
As for trends, they're for the common cattle, not semi/professionals. People with knowledge and experience pay attention to specs, not to hypes.
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I think you need to understand that Professional stands for "getting paid for your work" or "being an accomplished/awarded photographer" and not "I can hold a camera!".
Yes, there have been more photo's taken in the last year than since the invention of the photograph. I do hope you are also aware that this includes every halfbrained moron on Instagram and Facebook posting their friday-night drunk shots.
No selfrespecting real photographer uses a phone's camera for his or her work. The only ones that do are either A, doing an experiment, or B, people on the internet fooling themselves into thinking they're photographers.
PHONE CAMERAS DO NOT HAVE APERATURE SETTINGS. And that's where it all ends. There isn't a single pro or semi-pro who uses a fixed aperature camera.
42MP doesn't make a bloody difference if the sensor is meant for 2MP. The photo's may look fine on the internet, but newsflash: Your monitor is 72DPI, not 300. And a 6000x6000 pixel image is always going to look amazing when downsized to 1920x1080 or lower. (which is what every website does.)
As for trends, they're for the common cattle, not semi/professionals. People with knowledge and experience pay attention to specs, not to hypes.
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I think you're missing my point, I meant professional photographers that use iPhones for photography for non print, recreation, street photography etc.
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For those interested in hearing a pro talk about it, I present, Chase Jarvis.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buDa-m65RyA&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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Must watch.
http://mblog.gsmarena.com/galaxy-note-3-faces-canon-5d-mark-iii-video-comparison/
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Must watch.
http://mblog.gsmarena.com/galaxy-note-3-faces-canon-5d-mark-iii-video-comparison/
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Very interesting indeed. Still haven't bothered capturing at 4k as I don't have a display to do it justice. Might start recording and archive so come the time for a new TV I have some bright sharp memories to view.
I spend a full 20 minutes staring and laughing hysterically at the thread title. :laugh: Thought it was about photo's, as opposed to video. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Wasn't expecting that from the Note 3, actually. Not bad at all, for such a tiny sensor.
Honestly though, comparing 4K against 1080p? Even if you downsize, that's an unfair comparison as 4K records more data than 1080p at the raw source. It's like shooting in Jpeg directly, or converting a RAWfile to Jpeg. (Which only makes sense if you know photography.)
I am, however, in doubt. An old classmate of mine shoots entire films with his 5D MKIII, and the quality is significantly better than what we're seeing in the video.
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I spend a full 20 minutes staring and laughing hysterically at the thread title. :laugh: Thought it was about photo's, as opposed to video. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Wasn't expecting that from the Note 3, actually. Not bad at all, for such a tiny sensor.
Honestly though, comparing 4K against 1080p? Even if you downsize, that's an unfair comparison as 4K records more data than 1080p at the raw source. It's like shooting in Jpeg directly, or converting a RAWfile to Jpeg. (Which only makes sense if you know photography.)
I am, however, in doubt. An old classmate of mine shoots entire films with his 5D MKIII, and the quality is significantly better than what we're seeing in the video.
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I'm sorry but you're wrong, the comparison is as valid as any comparison between 2 devices. It would be like saying you can't compare benchmarks between Note 3 and GS5, because GS 5 has CPU running at higher frequency.
The fact is Note 3 can record 4k video out of the box and can record higher resolution, sharper video, than any DSLR currently on the market, period. Of course those were done in full sun/ good light, in low light Canon would win hands down. You could also see blown highlights in Note 3 video, but never the less our phone has excellent video recording capabilities I bet a lot of people are not even aware off and you have to remember Canon 5D mark III has probably one of the best video recording capabilities among DSLR and was used in quiet few commercial video recordings you see on TV. Even thought some people dismiss this as useless gimmick, it was one of the reasons I got Note 3 and I record all video in 4k, mostly of my kids, for the future memories. Right now none of my computers can play 4k video smoothly and I don't even have 4k display yet, but all this will be rectified before end of this year. Funny thing is, it is Samsung pushing the envelope, where the hell is Sony, commercial and consumer video leader?
arhhh the Pixel Myth.... Just like the Megahertz Myth! Bigger numbers doesn't always mean better. The N3 is a complete waste of time in low light despite being able to record @ 4k. I'd like to have seen the guy walking around (camera movement) with both devices as this would have shown which device was better when watching both playbacks.
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arhhh the Pixel Myth.... Just like the Megahertz Myth! Bigger numbers doesn't always mean better. The N3 is a complete waste of time in low light despite being able to record @ 4k. I'd like to have seen the guy walking around (camera movement) with both devices as this would have shown which device was better when watching both playbacks.
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Apparently you didn't see the video comparison, which clearly shows Note 3 video is much sharper, even on low resolution screen and apparently you never looked at benchmarks, clearly showing that everything else being equal, phone running at higher GHz will run faster most of the time, otherwise you wouldn't call it a myth. As far as low light goes, every camera sucks, it just a matter of how little is not enough. Canon 5d has full size sensor, which is almost as big as half width of the phone and this size sensor could not be fitted in a small phone and forget about optics required, never the less, with huge handicap in sensor size, much, much lower price and basic optics, Note 3 is competitive in good light. In low light it is much worse, but if you ever went to the movie set, just about half of the equipment is lights to improve exposure and they have cameras costing more than most people house, so yeah, good light is required for all cameras if you want good video.
hi GPpro7 users,
I would love to have your answers as users about this :
I have had two old Samsungs (A5 and S8), and they have "old" 12mp cameras...and I have been thinking that nowadays, that's 5 years later, cameras had gotten amazing and I would buy myself one of those, reading about your device the pixel pro 7, about the iPhone, the xiaomi mi11 ultra, the honour magic 4 ultimate, the S22 ultra, the iPhone 14 etc...
I went mad when I read about affordable 48mp, even 64mp and 108 mp cameras that are affordable...and completely puzzled when I read the reviews. Only to end up comparing my own shots to the sample images I could find online, understanding that to my knowledge those cameras produce plain 12mp at all, and any attempt to enlarge them to the claimed say 64 or 108mp size will just give me an unusable image with atrocious quality, whatever the phone.
Then I found about this tool that lets you compare cameras for real after I had read the complete commercial nonsense fuelled reviews online:
Camera comparison tool
see for yourselves how supposedly camera of the year doesn't look 1200€ less cheap than my S8...it is just amazing...no phone really beats others, even old phones...it's all low-quality 12Mp jpegs, that's about not an even decent 8mp jpeg...
And I wanted to buy one because I photoshop for a living, and last camera I had was around 2005, it produced good 8mp raw images, so I could make them great quality material for photo-montages, and therefore produce prints that'd be larger than A4.
It seems I wouldn't even be able to do that with nowadays top-level smartphones that claim they offer 108Mp...and I'm asking because the online info, or basic science, about it online is just misleading.
Please, I would love your own feeling-experience with your device that is supposed to bear awesome 50mp cameras, rather than trust anything that was posted online from reviews to camera samples that could be anything. When they say 50mp, the quality of raw files is the one of average enlarged 8-12mp compressed jpegs, or not ?
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You get way better pictures on newer phones.
The only time you might see similar results are with perfect lighting.
Thats it.
The sensors are better.
Its one of the few things that actually evolve on phones.
I've had Xiaomi phones with 'AMAZING MEGAPIXELS'.
Its never amazing.
In low light they are so bad compared to flagships from Sony, Samsung and Google.
thank you you summed it up, I couldn't find any info anywhere behind the advertising techniques, I wonder if I can get pro quality , that's actual 50mp fine results, for using it professionally, so I'll be waiting for further replies.
Everything they advertise looks like nothing but better looking -less noisy and all - 12mp jpegs at all, plus good zooming abilities in a few cases, but not as the name suggests, high end pro cameras at all.
I take photos for work on fabrics and carpets. I need an excellent camera phone that takes photos with colors as similar to real colors as possible.
What is the best android phone for my needs?
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I take photos for work on fabrics and carpets. I need an excellent camera phone that takes photos with colors as similar to real colors as possible.
What is the best android phone for my needs?
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None, get yourself a DSLR or a mirrorless camera if you need "accurate" colors. All of the phones have their own way of post-processing the photos and almost none of them result in accurate colors.
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thank you you summed it up, I couldn't find any info anywhere behind the advertising techniques, I wonder if I can get pro quality , that's actual 50mp fine results, for using it professionally, so I'll be waiting for further replies.
Everything they advertise looks like nothing but better looking -less noisy and all - 12mp jpegs at all, plus good zooming abilities in a few cases, but not as the name suggests, high end pro cameras at all.
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If you're talking about RAW, not none of the OEMs offer non-binned images in RAW. You always get the binned output even when shooting RAW photos.
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If you're talking about RAW, not none of the OEMs offer non-binned images in RAW. You always get the binned output even when shooting RAW photos.
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thank you, yes from the advertisement or product description, one hopes for a say 108 mp good quality camera, that will offer you PLENTY of sharp details in every photograph, like...can zoom anywhere and get a new A4 to exploit. And I'm very disappointed...
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None, get yourself a DSLR or a mirrorless camera if you need "accurate" colors. All of the phones have their own way of post-processing the photos and almost none of them result in accurate colors.
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Thanks but I know. My question is about camera phones
There are some really good YT Vids comparing phone cameras.
Marques Brownlee did a few really involved comparisons of various modes and features of the newest phones. The Pixel Devices, 6 Pro, 6A and 7 Pro were the top picks
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Thanks but I know. My question is about camera phones
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check the comparison tool link I posted in the first post. Recent Xiaomi phones seem interesting regarding colour fidelity.
but anyway it relies on the ambient light as you shoot too , an app like Color Grabber may help
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There are some really good YT Vids comparing phone cameras.
Marques Brownlee did a few really involved comparisons of various modes and features of the newest phones. The Pixel Devices, 6 Pro, 6A and 7 Pro were the top picks
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I dont need best camera phone, i need best camera phone with realistic and natural colors
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I dont need best camera phone, i need best camera phone with realistic and natural colors
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I get that, but this is a phone first, not a camera and you're not going to get everything you would with an actual camera, at least at this point, although Phone cameras have come a long, long way.
I think people need to be reminded this is a communications device, primarily.
The point of the videos is that those things are taken into consideration in the comparisons.
The sensor is 48 MP, but it blends groups of 4 pixels together resulting in a 12 MP image. You can't blow the image up and recover those additional pixels.
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The sensor is 48 MP, but it blends groups of 4 pixels together resulting in a 12 MP image. You can't blow the image up and recover those additional pixels.
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50mp binned to 12.5mp on the primary
Thank you very much because everything online is VERY misleading, regarding 500 - 1500 euros investments.
I am flabbergasted because the ads and product descriptions pretend it's 50mp or more pro cameras, and they happen to be plain okay (not even but...) 12mp digicams. Nothing worth spending 1500 euros it seems. I just expected I could invest like 800 and get a pro camera too that would just let me shoot a photo, get awesome 50mp quality, zoom on the raw file and get another A4 size good cropped shot etc...on top of the disappointment, the misleading info and product description is truly disgusting
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50mp binned to 12.5mp on the primary
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Is the pixel binning process performed by hardware or software? Is it theoretically possible to have the option of full-resolution images as a future software update?
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Is the pixel binning process performed by hardware or software? Is it theoretically possible to have the option of full-resolution images as a future software update?
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The same sensor does produce 50mp images on other phones so presumably it is handled by software, personally I don't think Google will allow it.
It's definitely a software thing as my OnePlus 9's stock camera software does enable you to disable the pixel binning and take a full 50MP photo. The results are pretty terrible though because OnePlus' camera just leaves a lot to be desired.
Yes ! it's all about that, and about the availability of non-binned therefore 48mp or more images online for comparison, it took me ages to find only one of those from a Xiaomi 12s phone, so the actual quality of the camera is actually visible !!! (and not that great !) although the Xiaomi 12t pro and maybe 12s ultra are the best ones I've found so far.
The thing is they show 12mp shots shrunk to our phones' dimensions, or as a shrunk jpeg so that looks good, but that's nothing like the actual camera"s quality that only gets visible on those original non-binned shots, that's a pic that's about an iMac's screen size and it seems very little progress has occurred in five years, the best cam gives okay to good enough results in daylight but that goes with manual retouching. Unless someone proves me wrong...
Personally i don't see what the fuss is about, 12.5mp is more than adequate for printing even at A3 and as they say the best camera is the one you have in your hand, the megapixel myth seems alive and well.
My first DSLR was only 8MP and i did plenty of (paid) weddings and air shows with that.