I think this is their master plan. Their making it so hard to root that at&t and samsung are just making us get worn out waiting for root. Eventually people won't care anymore and just put up with all their bloat and tactics turning us into sheep like the apple people are. I am even getting wore out checking 7 times a day in these threads only to hear of all the ways that don't work to root. There is a 12K bounty to be paid. U think that someone would spend every second trying to root to get 12K. Something is up with this. Maybe they were contacted and paid more not to do this. If there is a way they can PM me it and I will post it and give them the bounty so they don't get in trouble.
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You make it seem like a 12k bounty is a ton of money for someone who has to put in hundreds of hours of effort to look for an exploit. You have to realize the people capable of doing this probably isn't sitting at home without other sources of income most likely exceeding the dollar per hour gain from the bounty searching for an exploit.
I get that you are just venting but this doesn't contribute much. Yeah, it is their plan. Once rooting was deemed legal by the FCC they knew they would have to make it much harder to achieve root. The phone has been out for what a month? Most of the devs on here have families and jobs. This is what they do in their spare time. If this phone can't be rooted I won't buy it and I'd advise anyone else to do the same. If enthusiastic users like all of us don't buy unrootable devices maybe it will send a message. Probably not, but maybe.
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You make it seem like a 12k bounty is a ton of money for someone who has to put in hundreds of hours of effort to look for an exploit. You have to realize the people capable of doing this probably isn't sitting at home without other sources of income most likely exceeding the dollar per hour gain from the bounty searching for an exploit.
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Ok....if they dedicate 1 month..it's 12k.. the ratio to a year would be 144k...if you make that then great but 80% of America doesnt. I get your point they have other careers and family..I'm just saying..most every other phone has been rooted. All other variety of the S5 even before they got released except Verizon and att werent. I get your point. Just saying.
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I think a bigger issue is everyone whining and complaining about this whole root problem and the devs who work on stuff like this are not really giving a rat's a$$ as much because they're not getting respect and being pressured too much by these whiners.
We all just need to wait patiently and respectfully. People ARE working on this, they just aren't giving updates because if they give the tiniest of updates, again, the whiners and other people are going to be then asking a million more questions about their new find.
Yeah, 12k is a lot, but as stated above, this is dev's hobbies, not their job, and with how rooting is becoming more difficult, a lot of them don't think it's worth the time, hassle and effort just to be treated like crap by the people on here who have done nothing but constantly ask for updates while not contributing. And besides, the bounty is just a verbal agreement. They'll be lucky that 75%+ will even fully pay out.
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another pointless posting lol. stop trolling the forums. of course they dont want us rooting our phone and of course there are ppl working on it.. not everyone cares about money n last i checked the bounty was up to 15k not 12k.. just wait like everyone else and see what happens.. we will get root eventually im sure but might not be tomorrow lol
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Obviously the time out on the bounty thread isn't being understood.
Guys, take a break on the topic for a bit. I'm locking this thread as well.
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Like the iPhone, when you jailbreak it, people who cracked the app can download it for free. Can we also do same?
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Support your devs, apps and roms. You have no clue how much time goes into either, the least you can do is pay/donate for their hundreds of hours of work. Its possible but me/or probably anyone else that knows how to do it isnt gonna tell you. I've even donated to developers who do good work, and I'm a developer.
Nada broski. It's illegal and unethical.
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mods please close.
google...
Bestandroiddownloads.com
applanet
I dont condone either but they are out there...
We don't discuss Wares, pirated software, etc. here on XDA. Read the sticky. Please close this thread!
sorry. guys...
Anyone immoral and unethical enough to crack and post "free" apps on the internet is also immoral and unethical enough to include a virus, steal your identity info, or anything else. One way or another, you end up paying for that kind of stuff. It is much cheaper and easier in the long run to support the developers so that they have the incentive to continue to develop.
God forbid you don't spend $.99-$5
Skip the Big Mac for one week and pay for your app.
Support the community.
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the only place i used pirated software with apps is on my iPhone, but i would only try them for no more than a day and then i would choose to buy it or not due to the fact that theirs no refund policy with ios
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When I got my first android phone almost 2 years ago, I [plead the fifth]. Within 20 minutes I felt so guilty that I immediately bought the app and donated an extra $10 to the developer. I don't understand how you can do such a thing, Android even lets you return the app if it wasn't what you were looking for!
Thread closed, this is illegal.
I want to make sure I'm understanding what's all been going on here the past few days:
A dev releases an alpha radio to the community, along with all the usual disclaimers, etc. (Name not used to protect the innocent).
People start flashing this new "alpha" radio.
Some people start to experience very odd issues which does not allow them to even get back to a stock state (like what worked with every other type of phone).
The dev becomes a little concerned - Since the dev released the radio to the community, he feels it is his duty to inform people that it may be a good idea to revert back to a non "alpha" radio release, because this alpha release may make you not be able to use your phone anymore - again this is an "alpha" release, so no telling what could be causing the issue, but since he is a respected member of the dev community, his reputation may be at stake. So he posts here on XDA.
Next thing you know...Pitchforks and torches.
Go figure.
There're pichforks and torches for jcase? Well I guessed I missed something.
Obviously it's not jcases fault, he couldn't predict that for whatever reason 1 in 20-50 phones would die for no reason.
Agree, JCase has had too long of a history being supportive and on the right side of the line and in this community to be at some fault. **** happens and accidents are unpredictable for a reason. Anyone that tries to roast him doesn't appreciate the work and effort these guys spend making our devices a little bit closer to heaven.
At least he warned us before 90% of the community had bricked phones.
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There're pichforks and torches for jcase? Well I guessed I missed something.
Obviously it's not jcases fault, he couldn't predict that for whatever reason 1 in 20-50 phones would die for no reason.
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Id say more like 1 in a few hundred, or even thousand, but agreed. Devs are doing a great job.
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Ya, it still amazes me that people are getting all mad and "demand" to know what, why , who, where, how, when, etc.
I'm just glad there are devs out there who can provide solutions, so that I don't have to try and create my own.
The Dev's Rock!
Yeah people need to understand the inherent risks in flashing things to their phones, even more so when its clearly stated that the leaked GB radio was an ALPHA release.
I have nothing but respect for devs who work hard to make our phones even better than what they already are.
Thanks!!!!
jcase is not to blame... it is the modders who run alpha software knowing it may brick their phones then they have to get mad at someone... rather than looking in the mirror.
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Yah I agree I mean isn't the whole rooting, custom rom an "at your own risk" anyway.. I don't get it but goes with half the crap going on these days.. No self responsibility. You flashed it you risked it..! WTF
I would really like to know why, I'm not asking for it though. I am just curious. Really I just want gb to be working safely again.
Jcase and the others have done nothing but provide excellent updates, service and everything else. I am truly impressed by their level of commitment. As others have mentioned in other threads... People get paid decent cash to do what jcase does for free. Thank you, truly.
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Well, he's got a big ego, that matches his reputation. Some people are irritated by that. But no matter what you think of him personally, he's given a lot to the bolt community and that should be respected.
I thought there were some people on here with childish attitudes. I finally realized why...some of them are....Some are younger than my own kids.
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Is Jcase really taking heat? I mean, come on people, we know going in that we can gank our phones by flashing unapproved stuff on them. We brick, we only have ourselves to blame, simple as that. I for one applaud Jcase for alerting us so quickly to the problem.
What does any of this have to do with an ego?
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What does any of this have to do with an ego?
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The haters of jcase are using this as a reason to hate on him. Not saying it's justified, just where it comes from.
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Right. IMO, if anyone complains about a bricked device, they should be banned. The minute you root your device, the responsibility for bricking lies with you.
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"Innocent " not guilty of crime or offense. These devs keep on giving so much to us and this is how we try to repay them by persecution ,instead of the being " behind you " approach we should stand side by side with them, and after all we all practice freewill by flashing.
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Some people are stupid. Simple as that.
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I never knew who JCase was before the Thunderbolt, but I have to say he is a pretty cool dood, and it is awesome to see Devs getting leaks like he does. Never saw any of this with the Evo 4G. We never got to have new radios/roms of new firmware versions until after then had been out a week or two and devs had gotten a hold of them. Here we have them weeks if not months in advance, and I applaud him, and other devs for that.
And just think, they do this all without expecting anything.
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I haven't really been following the story, so I didn't know a dev was taking heat. Lame. Had my phone ended up bricked, I'd blame myself.
Dear fellow XDA-ers,
What do you think of the following link:
www.ebay.co.uk/itm/270904716829?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
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Dear fellow XDA-ers,
What do you think of the following link:
www.ebay.co.uk/itm/270904716829?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
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Personally, I'd never send my phone to anyone. I'd say thats a reasonable charge for the service, but what if he bricks it? Better yet, what if he KEEPS it?
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Personally, I'd never send my phone to anyone. I'd say thats a reasonable charge for the service, but what if he bricks it? Better yet, what if he KEEPS it?
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Actually, is it right to give this kinda service?? Its like making money off all the hard work of devs and chefs for yourself.
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WTF
he got positve feedback too!!!!!
how lazy are ppl to send a phone to an unknown android developer to root them phone???
he could even be fair in asking money to unleash the beast... but DA**! it's so easy and cool o it yourself...
by the way.. that's the world
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he got positve feedback too!!!!!
how lazy are ppl to send a phone to an unknown android developer to root them phone???
he could even be fair in asking money to unleash the beast... but DA**! it's so easy and cool o it yourself...
by the way.. that's the world
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Yes this is one weird world..
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Well, he's just offering a service. I don't see why we should blame him. I'm the kind of hacker interested in tweaking my phone. I'm sure other people don't care.
In other field (cooking for example), I'm sure I'd be considered as a lazy bastard. I bet many people around here are in the exact same situation.
In economics, we call that preferences and we take those as data, we don't judge them. Let them be free.
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Well, he's just offering a service. I don't see why we should blame him. I'm the kind of hacker interested in tweaking my phone. I'm sure other people don't care.
In other field (cooking for example), I'm sure I'd be considered as a lazy bastard. I bet many people around here are in the exact same situation.
In economics, we call that preferences and we take those as data, we don't judge them. Let them be free.
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The problem is he is making money off of work that is not his. This right here is the main reason developers are starting to keep things to themselfs and select freinds and not releasing it to the public.
Guys when you see something like this just report it to the site.
Meh...as long as they offer a legit service, why not?
How many times a day do you pay someone else to do something for you?
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I wonder how Stallman would answer to that...
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This is pretty much the same as people paying to get their PSPs, DSes, PS3s, Xboxes or anything else, hacked/modified. He's not selling the mods and roms, he's just selling his service. I feel that it's okay.
This reminds me of people who sell instructions with rooting tools or xbox, wii, psp mod files that they have found online for free but this guy isn't actually selling the free software he made sure he mentioned you are buying his services which would be rooting and hooking up the phones for lazy asses who don't want to take the few extra minutes to google the stuff they need (which I think is half the fun; getting to know about my phone and seeing it do stuff that the manufacturer says can't be done...) but anyway it's their money if they want to pay for something that can be easily done I guess that's on them. BUT I would think better of the seller if these tools he is using were developed by him instead of using the tools that other developers had put alot of time and work into and the developers themselves give it away because that's what they love to do and aren't getting a dime for all of the work they've done and then the help they freely give when answering our questions over and over for people like him to turn around and profit off of their hard work that they aren't even profiting off of. It makes me so grateful that most people are not like this seller. He really is profiting off of other people's hard work that he got for free which is totally greedy and all of that kind of stuff.
Thank you to all of our devs who put alot of time into helping us make our phones beyond awsome!
I was thinking of sending him a message and ask him which rom and tools does he use or if would he use or a screenshot for a specific phone just to be nosy.
People make money off others hard work every day. It's called Capitalism.
Don't hate because this guy is making money off of others ignorance.
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People make money off others hard work every day. It's called Capitalism.
Don't hate because this guy is making money off of others ignorance.
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Yeah well it doesn't fly here. You use the work of others and charge for it and things happen. One should never steal a hackers work lol
And a great example of why some of the greatest mods are no longer posted publicly and only shared privately between trusted developers.
As far as I know, developers usually allow such uses. I'm sure they are well aware of the possibilties offered by their licences. I personnaly use a BSD licence for most of my programs and encourage those behaviors.
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Yeah well it doesn't fly here. You use the work of others and charge for it and things happen.
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When your car breaks down, do you bring it to a mechanic?
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When your car breaks down, do you bring it to a mechanic?
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No I don't personally. There is a big difference. They are not using someone else hardworking that is given away for free. There are rules you agree to when you join the site. And that includes asking to use the work of others. And no developer will allow someone to make money off of a tool they give away for free
the ONLY way i could see what he is doing as ok is if he was donating a portion of the profits to the devs of the work he uses.
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And no developer will allow someone to make money off of a tool they give away for free
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This is just wrong. You should learn what free software is (not as in free beer but as in free speech).
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Shrat said:
This is just wrong. You should learn what free software is (not as in free beer but as in free speech).
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I know what it means. Been doing this for many years. You should learn what respect is. That is what developers deserve and it is not given when you steal their free software to charge for.
In the end this has been covered many times. If someone is charging for the work of others then report them and they will be banned from here. As for other sites just report them as these devices are released with free licences charging for them is illegal.
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There are many smart folks out there creating stuff for our phone, ROMs, Themes, Kernals, etc, all deserving of some cha-ching. I can think of 4 or 5 people I would like to support. However, I can't afford to properly give to them all. ,
What if there was a pool of money that us thankful receivers put into. Then, the developers themselves could decide how that money is distributed, sort of like a dividend from profits. But it would have to be phone/carrier specific. I don't want my funds going to AT&T phone guys....but the Verizon Samsung Galaxy S3 Development Consortium could decide that for themselves.
VSGS3DC....what you think?
I think this isn't development lol. And doesn't sound like a good idea. I say just donate to each developer u think helped out, even if it's a dollar or two, it will help them all.
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Not development and a good way to ruin a good thing, really if you want to make anything complicated attach sex or money to it and watch the drama unfold.
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Fail x2
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Can anyone think of even a worse idea and then post it in the dev section? lol
Way too confusing. Now the devs have to figure out how much in donations they get? Your just giving more work to the Devs. And it's going to lead to arguments and just suck...
Moved die to this not being development
I am willing to give a reward of a bonafide Windows 8 Pro x86/x64 retail license to the person who successfully solves the problem of getting the G2X Qualcomm mdm6600 radio/modem fully working with the CM10.1 or stock LG ICS kernel or the kernel that is being worked on by AdamPK, Mazout360, etc. If I determine that more than one person has made a significant contribution to achieving that, I will give the same reward to them too. But, before I make that official, I want opinions about doing that.
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The code required to achieve success must be fully documented and publicly available to enable others to use it successfully too.
UPDATE
The poll ended overwhelmingly in favour of me rewarding development which gets the Qualcomm mdm6600 modem/radio working fully with an ICS/CM9/JB/CM10.1 ROM and Kernel.
There's no expectation or obligation of anyone to accept the reward of a bonafide Windows 8 Pro x86/x64 license for accomplishing the development goal.
The reward will be awarded after the goal is accomplished which is proven by the full/complete operation of the G2X and its Qualcomm mdm6600 radio/modem with an ICS/CM9/JB/CM10.1 ROM and Kernel and the submission, to me, of documentation of the method used, in the form of fully commented source code which can be understood by a person competent in the programming language used so that it can be used for verification and for further development.
If there is a dispute as to who ultimately accomplished the goal of getting the Qualcomm mdm6600 modem/radio working fully with an ICS/CM9/JB/CM10.1 ROM and Kernel, it will be resolved by examination of relevant documentation which I will use to determine the reward recipient(s). If more than one person, determined by me exclusively, contributed substantially to achieving the goal, each of those persons will be eligible to receive the same reward. If anyone who is eligible to receive the reward doesn't want it they may forego receiving it.
The content of this post is subject to change due to errors and/or ommissions and/or illegality.
37 views so far and only 2 votes? WTH! Apathy?
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37 views so far and only 2 votes? WTH! Apathy?
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Well, you're essentially spamming people. What did you expect?
This won't incentivize cooperation which looks necessary to me.
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im about ready to just buy another g2x and send tonyp my old one lol
In another phone section [Galaxy S Blaze] everyone chipped in to buy a developer a phone. I would totally do it for a seasoned developer who can likely fix the radio issue. A G2x isn't really that expensive.
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I voted no just because i think it will take more than one person on the other hand if a random badass dev wants to just make it happen really quick then ill change my vote. P. S Ali ba your signature is pretty freaking funny
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In another phone section [Galaxy S Blaze] everyone chipped in to buy a developer a phone. I would totally do it for a seasoned developer who can likely fix the radio issue. A G2x isn't really that expensive.
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i agree. they go for around 150 on craigslist, so if we had 6 people donate $25 just one time out of their friday paycheck, we might be able to really get somewhere with our phone developmentally, AND we could say we did it as a community which i think would be pretty freakin cool.:good:
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I voted no just because i think it will take more than one person on the other hand if a random badass dev wants to just make it happen really quick then ill change my vote. P. S Ali ba your signature is pretty freaking funny
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No changing votes.
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i agree. they go for around 150 on craigslist, so if we had 6 people donate $25 just one time out of their friday paycheck, we might be able to really get somewhere with our phone developmentally, AND we could say we did it as a community which i think would be pretty freakin cool.:good:
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That would be helpful but how would that be accomplished? Regardless, I have decided what my contribution will be and how it will be awarded.
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Well, you're essentially spamming people. What did you expect?
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A thread that people can post to is not spam but off-topic posts to a thread are.
Does anyone know
if buying a dev a phone would even work? Are there devs willing to work for phones like that?
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if buying a dev a phone would even work? Are there devs willing to work for phones like that?
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I suppose that, if the developer is already doing it, but they don't have a G2X such as tonyp, they would welcome getting one to enable them to do their development much more easily. I think tonyp well deserves getting a G2X for his effort. I don't know about anyone else who doesn't have a G2X who is contributing as much as he has and still is. Wouldn't it be helpful to ask him and, if he wants one, easiest to donate to him directly so that he can buy the phone? I am certain that, if that happened, he would be very pleased.
Unfortunately you can't count me in. I'm lacking the time and probably kernel knowledge to do that.
You need someone who got deep Linux kernel experience and skills.
Btw, offering someone like that a windows license is a little strange
(and just to brag about it: I got plenty of free win 8 licenses thanks to Microsoft MSDN aa ).
A potential dev has to have the phone. It won't work without one, that would take way more time.
The problem with donating a phone upfront is that it introduces expectations. If the dev fails it's always a bad feeling for both sides, that's why there are many devs who don't really like receiving phones.
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I'll throw in the $5 that was donated to me lately.
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Unfortunately you can't count me in. I'm lacking the time and probably kernel knowledge to do that.
You need someone who got deep Linux kernel experience and skills.
Btw, offering someone like that a windows license is a little strange
(and just to brag about it: I got plenty of free win 8 licenses thanks to Microsoft MSDN aa ).
A potential dev has to have the phone. It won't work without one, that would take way more time.
The problem with donating a phone upfront is that it introduces expectations. If the dev fails it's always a bad feeling for both sides, that's why there are many devs who don't really like receiving phones.
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Offering a Windows 8 license isn't that strange even in the Android/Linux community as many use Windows for some purposes that Android/Linux don't fulfil. The reward wouldn't be given until it was "earned". (And, also, but not to brag about it, I was also a member of MSDNAA but I've retired from that now.)
Kernel development/hacking is very difficult so anyone who would do it would have to have the phone anyway so getting the phone one already owns isn't an incentive. You're correct about giving a phone upfront implies that there is the expectation of a beneficial payback to whomever donates the phone which is a good reason not to give one and not to want one.
I am still committed to the reward I am considering offering. So far, the majority are in favour of it. When the poll is over, I will do what the majority wants.
We'd probably need some dev who already works for LG or some other company to get the radio working.. or as stated before, some who understands android coding extremely well such.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't RC work with LG? If so can't he try to contact them about the kernel not supporting the G2x. I refuse to give up even though it seems hopeless at this point lol
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I sent an email asking for assistance to someone at NVIDIA who does supervisory work with Tegra and Linux programming. I hope he replies.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't RC work with LG? If so can't he try to contact them about the kernel not supporting the G2x. I refuse to give up even though it seems hopeless at this point lol
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He doesn't work for LG but he is in good terms with the developers at LG.
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