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[Q] Move from MaximusHD 10.0 to CM 11

Hello everyone,
After a few month with the maximus rom i wanted to test out the new Cyanogenmod rom 11 on my htc one s.
But when i try flashing it with the recovery, it fails. I heard, that i have to downgrade something in order to get the new Rom installed. What must I do?
I have been reading a lot of topics without finding a concrete answer.
I am S-ON (No superCID) and I have TWRP 2.4.1 and Hboot 2.16
How can I install CM11 successfully ?
Thx :laugh:

Installing CM 11
kc6992 said:
Hello everyone,
After a few month with the maximus rom i wanted to test out the new Cyanogenmod rom 11 on my htc one s.
But when i try flashing it with the recovery, it fails. I heard, that i have to downgrade something in order to get the new Rom installed. What must I do?
I have been reading a lot of topics without finding a concrete answer.
I am S-ON (No superCID) and I have TWRP 2.4.1 and Hboot 1.16
How can I install CM11 successfully ?
Thx :laugh:
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Aquire S-Off and SuperCID . This makes things ten times more easier . There are recent thread posts in Android development that show you how .
You will have to actually update your hboot to 2.15 and implement a twrp that supports SElinux.
1 ) http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2322755
Use that to upgrade your hboot.
2 ) http://flemmard.net/recoveries/openrecovery-twrp-2.6.3.0-ville-selinux.img
Download and flash this recovery.
3 ) http://download.cyanogenmod.org/?device=ville
Get the latest nightly from the get.cm
... and flash away
---------- Post added at 11:11 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:06 PM ----------
If you need specifics, Let me know.
I've been down your path and I hopefully can help you out on each step.
Happy flashing

S-Off
Thanks for the fast reply.
Is it better to do S Off before superCID ?
To make it s-off which méthode should i use? Facepalm or moonshine?

kc6992 said:
Thanks for the fast reply.
Is it better to do S Off before superCID ?
To make it s-off which méthode should i use? Facepalm or moonshine?
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S-Off First, Cause that's what enables you to install different RUU's and update/downgrade firmware.
Try Facepalm
.. and for superCID, use one of the toolkit's. that one's a bit easier

kc6992 said:
Hello everyone,
After a few month with the maximus rom i wanted to test out the new Cyanogenmod rom 11 on my htc one s.
But when i try flashing it with the recovery, it fails. I heard, that i have to downgrade something in order to get the new Rom installed. What must I do?
I have been reading a lot of topics without finding a concrete answer.
I am S-ON (No superCID) and I have TWRP 2.4.1 and Hboot 1.16
How can I install CM11 successfully ?
Thx :laugh:
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You have hboot 2.16 not 1.16. What I suggest is before downgrading, try one of CM11 builds for 2.16. They're compiled by RockR172 for 2.16 and they're based on official builds. Latest available is the one from 20/12 and you'll find it in the second post from the CM11 thread. If you find then CM11 comfortable to use, you could downgrade your hboot to 2.15 and start using the official nightlies.
Sent from nowhere over the air...

Hboot
Rapier said:
You have hboot 2.16 not 1.16. What I suggest is before downgrading, try one of CM11 builds for 2.16. They're compiled by RockR172 for 2.16 and they're based on official builds. Latest available is the one from 20/12 and you'll find it in the second post from the CM11 thread. If you find then CM11 comfortable to use, you could downgrade your hboot to 2.15 and start using the official nightlies.
Sent from nowhere over the air...
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You right i have hboot 2.16 ...
This unofficial Rom will also work with s-off if i use "Incase you don't have S-OFF, fastboot flash boot boot.img" or won't it?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2528113
For the next step:
How can I downgrade hboot then? must i have to lock and then unlock it again with HTCdev?
Must i be s-off and supercid?

kc6992 said:
You right i have hboot 2.16 ...
This unofficial Rom will also work with s-off if i use "Incase you don't have S-OFF, fastboot flash boot boot.img" or won't it?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2528113
For the next step:
How can I downgrade hboot then? must i have to lock and then unlock it again with HTCdev?
Must i be s-off and supercid?
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Yes. That was the one I told you about. In the second post, you'll find links to the 2.16 builds. The latest one is THIS. That step for flashing kernel in fastboot is mandatory for anyone that's S-On, for any ROM and for any hboot higher than 1.09. So after you flash that ROM, reboot to fastboot and flash the boot.img (that you have previously extracted from the ROM zip) using that command.
For downgrade, there a couple of threads describing the procedure in the Dev section, there's no need to repeat all this at this point. Fist flash this CM and see if you are OK with it...not to find later that you've downgraded and now you want MaximusHd back. Going from sense based ROMs to non-sense based ROMs was a challenge for many and there are alot of things that differs. That's why I said you might want to check first and only after take such decision

I just compiled a recent CM11 version (0109-nightly) for hboot 2.16. You can download it from
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0ajti88ZAFzYkZqNEVydkZwSzg/edit?usp=sharing
if you want. Its compiled from the official CM11 sources where additionally two cherry picks
are necessary to support the new hboot and TWRP recovery
http://review.cyanogenmod.org/#/c/53647/
http://review.cyanogenmod.org/#/c/53559/
Edit: Note that this build is ONLY for HBOOT 2.16 !!!
If you are s-on you still have to extract the kernel (boot.img) from the archive and flash it via fastboot after
flashing the zip. Alternatively you can use the FlashImageGUI app (from play store). In this case flash the boot.img BEFORE
you flash the rom zip. Worked great for me when I was still s-on and you don't need a computer to flash a
new rom.
kc6992 said:
You right i have hboot 2.16 ...
This unofficial Rom will also work with s-off if i use "Incase you don't have S-OFF, fastboot flash boot boot.img" or won't it?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2528113
For the next step:
How can I downgrade hboot then? must i have to lock and then unlock it again with HTCdev?
Must i be s-off and supercid?
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Hey Bro How Did U managed to install Maximus Hd on S on and without supercid...plzz tell me m tired of this Tmobile Rom.....thankx.

I believe Twistedkat ROM works on hboot 2.16. Check it out in dev forum
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2584591&page=37

Nobody?????

Hemantgits said:
Nobody?????
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What Hboot are you on ?

kc6992 said:
Hello everyone,
After a few month with the maximus rom i wanted to test out the new Cyanogenmod rom 11 on my htc one s.
But when i try flashing it with the recovery, it fails. I heard, that i have to downgrade something in order to get the new Rom installed. What must I do?
I have been reading a lot of topics without finding a concrete answer.
I am S-ON (No superCID) and I have TWRP 2.4.1 and Hboot 1.16
How can I install CM11 successfully ?
Thx :laugh:
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This thread is very confusing!
Firstly the OP must be S-Off to flash the 2.16 firmware in order to run MaximusHD with the right storage etc, no? Might be confused thinking superCID is S-Off? Also, TWRP version must be 2.6.1.0 not 2.4.1?
drkxyz said:
I just compiled a recent CM11 version (0109-nightly) for hboot 2.16. You can download it from
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0ajti88ZAFzYkZqNEVydkZwSzg/edit?usp=sharing
if you want. Its compiled from the official CM11 sources where additionally two cherry picks
are necessary to support the new hboot and TWRP recovery
http://review.cyanogenmod.org/#/c/53647/
http://review.cyanogenmod.org/#/c/53559/
Edit: Note that this build is ONLY for HBOOT 2.16 !!!
If you are s-on you still have to extract the kernel (boot.img) from the archive and flash it via fastboot after
flashing the zip. Alternatively you can use the FlashImageGUI app (from play store). In this case flash the boot.img BEFORE
you flash the rom zip. Worked great for me when I was still s-on and you don't need a computer to flash a
new rom.
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Did the CM 0109-nightly for 2.16 hboot you compiled flash ok? Are you running it now? I think most of the dev's have had problems getting it to install properly. I don't think you can be S-On and on 2.16 hboot, unless I'm missing something?
fatboyslimerr said:
I believe Twistedkat ROM works on hboot 2.16. Check it out in dev forum
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2584591&page=37
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I tried to flash the latest version of Twistedkat ROM the other night and it wouldn't flash with any recovery that I tried on 2.16 hboot.

rom
rosswhite said:
This thread is very confusing!
Firstly the OP must be S-Off to flash the 2.16 firmware in order to run MaximusHD with the right storage etc, no? Might be confused thinking superCID is S-Off? Also, TWRP version must be 2.6.1.0 not 2.4.1?
Did the CM 0109-nightly for 2.16 hboot you compiled flash ok? Are you running it now? I think most of the dev's have had problems getting it to install properly. I don't think you can be S-On and on 2.16 hboot, unless I'm missing something?
I tried to flash the latest version of Twistedkat ROM the other night and it wouldn't flash with any recovery that I tried on 2.16 hboot.
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I wasn't confused. I really was S-On with twrp 2.4.1 and it worked well
Now i'am back on hboot 2.15 and i flashed CWM in order to flash CM11.
For maximusHD on hboot 2.16 and S-ON I just followed the tutorial : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2445392
I know it may sound confusing, but maximusHD worked for me on S-ON, and it has been my daily Rom for over 3 months.
When i installed it, I just couldnt run the firmware.zip (i had a fail) but it worked correctly without.

kc6992 said:
I wasn't confused. I really was S-On with twrp 2.4.1 and it worked well
Now i'am back on hboot 2.15 and i flashed CWM in order to flash CM11.
For maximusHD on hboot 2.16 and S-ON I just followed the tutorial : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2445392
I know it may sound confusing, but maximusHD worked for me on S-ON, and it has been my daily Rom for over 3 months.
When i installed it, I just couldnt run the firmware.zip (i had a fail) but it worked correctly without.
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Ok, the thing is it's the firmware.zip that gives you a hboot version of 2.16. So if you didn't flash that, you were on a lower hboot, you can still flash the ROM I believe but you only have 2gb of storage available. Anyway, It doesn't matter now. Enjoy CM11.

CM nightly on 2.16 firmware works great for me. Updated to 0110 in the meanwhile and I only have the known bugs like backlight not coming
up after a phone call and very rare reboots (indeed no reboot on 0110 since now :fingers-crossed: )
There are indeed lots of people who installed MaximusHD on hboot 2.16 with s-on over in the MaximusHD thread. It's very dangerous though
and may lead to bricked devices ...
rosswhite said:
This thread is very confusing!
Firstly the OP must be S-Off to flash the 2.16 firmware in order to run MaximusHD with the right storage etc, no? Might be confused thinking superCID is S-Off? Also, TWRP version must be 2.6.1.0 not 2.4.1?
Did the CM 0109-nightly for 2.16 hboot you compiled flash ok? Are you running it now? I think most of the dev's have had problems getting it to install properly. I don't think you can be S-On and on 2.16 hboot, unless I'm missing something?
I tried to flash the latest version of Twistedkat ROM the other night and it wouldn't flash with any recovery that I tried on 2.16 hboot.
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Here is an updated CM11 build for hboot 2.16, containing the latest patch for the backlight bug. Its been built from the
original CM11 sources.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0ajti88ZAFzRmV3Mi1aM2lxY0E/edit?usp=sharing
Works great and I haven't had any backlight problems or reboots yet !!!
kc6992 said:
Hello everyone,
After a few month with the maximus rom i wanted to test out the new Cyanogenmod rom 11 on my htc one s.
But when i try flashing it with the recovery, it fails. I heard, that i have to downgrade something in order to get the new Rom installed. What must I do?
I have been reading a lot of topics without finding a concrete answer.
I am S-ON (No superCID) and I have TWRP 2.4.1 and Hboot 1.16
How can I install CM11 successfully ?
Thx :laugh:
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Mozziliac said:
What Hboot are you on ?
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Hboot 2.15

New CM11 built 140115 for hboot 2.16 for anyone who is interested
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0ajti88ZAFzMDl4TW1Oc2tVQVE/edit?usp=sharing
Can anyone post/link this into the CM11 development section?
Have fun ...

drkxyz said:
New CM11 built 140115 for hboot 2.16 for anyone who is interested
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0ajti88ZAFzMDl4TW1Oc2tVQVE/edit?usp=sharing
Can anyone post/link this into the CM11 development section?
Have fun ...
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Now you can post it yourself.

[Q] MaximusHD+Hboot S-OFF

i just recently S-OFF through Rumrunner and i was wondering if im able to install maximusHD 10 (sense 5 + android 4.2). I'm not sure if hboot 2.16 is required, since im S-OFF with hboot 2.15. thanks.

xPhrosty said:
i just recently S-OFF through Rumrunner and i was wondering if im able to install maximusHD 10 (sense 5 + android 4.2). I'm not sure if hboot 2.16 is required, since im S-OFF with hboot 2.15. thanks.
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Part of the install instructions for MaximusHD is updating your hboot version from 2.15 to 2.16. So yes, 2.15 is correct for now. When you go to download the ROM there are 2 files, the ROM and the installer package. The installer package contains the firmware (this is what updates the hboot to 2.16) and the recovery. This is why the instructions are a little complicated. Basically you have to flash the rom first, then flash the firmware, then flash the recovery, then flash the ROM again. Just note, you can not mount storage in TWRP recovery for 2.16. Also, if you are a stock android fan then stay on 2.15 if you want to have a greater choice of ROM's. Currently I think the only AOSP based ROM that supports the 2.16 hboot is CM11.
Sent from my Nexus 7 using XDA Premium 4 mobile app

rosswhite said:
Part of the install instructions for MaximusHD is updating your hboot version from 2.15 to 2.16. So yes, 2.15 is correct for now. When you go to download the ROM there are 2 files, the ROM and the installer package. The installer package contains the firmware (this is what updates the hboot to 2.16) and the recovery. This is why the instructions are a little complicated. Basically you have to flash the rom first, then flash the firmware, then flash the recovery, then flash the ROM again. Just note, you can not mount storage in TWRP recovery for 2.16. Also, if you are a stock android fan then stay on 2.15 if you want to have a greater choice of ROM's. Currently I think the only AOSP based ROM that supports the 2.16 hboot is CM11.
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okay, that makes much more sense now. thanks a lot!

[Q] Problems with Viper Rom

Hello,
i'm having a lot of trouble with the viper made rom ( http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2667758). I'm new here, so i cannot post it there.
My problems began when i try to install the updates. I have installed the original rom version 3.0.0. i get the OTA message, but when i try to install it in recovery, the phone can't mount the sd card, and the installation doesn't continu. I tried to do it manually (using the download link i found in one of the posts) and that seemed to work.
Then i got another OTA notification, to upgrade to version 3.1.0, but when i tried to boot after the installation, i couldn't enter my sim pincode, and when i reboot, the phone keeps looping. I have to install the original rom twice (once with and one time without wiping) before the ROM boots normally.
What am i doing wrong?
i'm on Hboot 1.25 and radio:1.15.50.05.29
I'm S-on (RL)

It seems that viper made a fll rom, with the updates included.

Wrong Hboot?
Martin_Weterholt said:
Hello,
What am i doing wrong?
i'm on Hboot 1.25 and radio:1.15.50.05.29
I'm S-on (RL)
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I'm not sure but i think it starts with your Hboot, maybe one of the older members can verify, but according to the rom it requires Hboot version 2.15 or 2.16.
I am in the process of updating my Hboot by downloading and flashing the RUU as well as achieving S-OFF status

fidodaj said:
I'm not sure but i think it starts with your Hboot, maybe one of the older members can verify, but according to the rom it requires Hboot version 2.15 or 2.16.
I am in the process of updating my Hboot by downloading and flashing the RUU as well as achieving S-OFF status
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You need to update hboot first
2.15 is most compatible i suppose

LS.xD said:
You need to update hboot first
2.15 is most compatible i suppose
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Question. Is there a way for me to upgrade the hboot without the ruu wiping everything? Or will I just have to make a backup. I plan to go s-off before upgrading the hboot.

fidodaj said:
Question. Is there a way for me to upgrade the hboot without the ruu wiping everything? Or will I just have to make a backup. I plan to go s-off before upgrading the hboot.
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If you're S-OFF ist possible I think

No, you don't need to update the hboot. I am on 1.06 and Viper works fine...in fact any ROM works fine for me but that's another story. The updated firmware (2.13 or 2.15) is required only for Android 4.4.x KitKat due to a check present in the updater-script. There's no such check nor requirement for previous Android versions and Viper 3.x is based on Android 4.2.2
The problems first could come from not being S-Off...this makes impossible to flash the kernel from recovery so any OTA that has a kernel is not flashed properly. I remember that 3.1.0 has also a full ROM ZIP, maybe is good if you flash that one from recovery and flash the kernel after that in fastboot. Also it could matter the recovery you're using, I would recommend latest TWRP
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Rapier said:
No, you don't need to update the hboot. I am on 1.06 and Viper works fine...in fact any ROM works fine for me but that's another story. The updated firmware (2.13 or 2.15) is required only for Android 4.4.x KitKat due to a check present in the updater-script. There's no such check nor requirement for previous Android versions and Viper 3.x is based on Android 4.2.2
..
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In the viper rom forum post it says ROM firmware required hboot 2.15/2.16.. Am I to j just ignore tha? Or is it that it is only required that hboot (2.15/2.16) if you are s-on and s-off can do whatever you like? Lol

You need hboot 2.16 for Radio 1.20
And to Flash hboot 2.16 you will need S-OFF
Sent from my loved HTC One S using (most time buggy) Tapatalk

LS.xD said:
You need hboot 2.16 for Radio 1.20
And to Flash hboot 2.16 you will need S-OFF
Sent from my loved HTC One S using (most time buggy) Tapatalk
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Actually I'm on hboot 2.15 with Radio 1.20.XX
I know this doesn't help... just saying..
To contribute smth. To get the most out of the Viper 3 Rom, everyone should upgrade their Radio to 1.20.XX. And this is actually why you need to S-OFF.

Questions about unlocking

hello, i am new to HTC One S and my device is completely stock now. I have hboot 2.15..
I want to lock the bootloader, install a custom recovery, s-off and install a custom rom.
I have some questions now:
1. Is it possible to install a 4.4.2 rom with this hboot?
2. Why do i need s-off for sense 5.x?
3. Why do i have to flash boot.img? And why do i not have to flash a boot.img with s-off? Where do i get the boot.img for the rom i flashed?

MICH_** said:
hello, i am new to HTC One S and my device is completely stock now. I have hboot 2.15..
I want to lock the bootloader, install a custom recovery, s-off and install a custom rom.
I have some questions now:
1. Is it possible to install a 4.4.2 rom with this hboot?
2. Why do i need s-off for sense 5.x?
3. Why do i have to flash boot.img? And why do i not have to flash a boot.img with s-off? Where do i get the boot.img for the rom i flashed?
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1: I run CM11 which is 4.4.
2: Don't know but not sure if there is a 4.4 ROM with Sense 5.
3: The boot.img is in the ROM zip - just unzip it and the boot.img is there. When you are S-OFF the boot.img is flashed with the zip. Otherwise you have to do it manually if you are not S-OFF.
I am no expert but one thing I know - life got a lot easier being S-OFF with the HTC ONE S.

808phone said:
1: I run CM11 which is 4.4.
2: Don't know but not sure if there is a 4.4 ROM with Sense 5.
3: The boot.img is in the ROM zip - just unzip it and the boot.img is there. When you are S-OFF the boot.img is flashed with the zip. Otherwise you have to do it manually if you are not S-OFF.
I am no expert but one thing I know - life got a lot easier being S-OFF with the HTC ONE S.
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Are you on hboot 2.15 too? Did you update your firmware?
No but there are sense 5.5 roms with android 4.3....
How did you get S-OFF? And which tutorial did you use to unlock etc?

MICH_** said:
hello, i am new to HTC One S and my device is completely stock now. I have hboot 2.15..
I want to lock the bootloader, install a custom recovery, s-off and install a custom rom.
I have some questions now:
1. Is it possible to install a 4.4.2 rom with this hboot?
2. Why do i need s-off for sense 5.x?
3. Why do i have to flash boot.img? And why do i not have to flash a boot.img with s-off? Where do i get the boot.img for the rom i flashed?
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Let's take one by one...
1. Yes. Currently only AOSP ROMs are with Android 4.4.2, there's no Sense based one (but it's been working on it)
2. Well, that's a tricky question...You don't need S-Off for sense 5.x BUT...only ROM with sense 5.5 is Liberty (by bilal_liberty). If you're not S-Off you can't flash radios. If you can't flash radios, you will not have HSPA/HSPA+ mobile data connection with that ROM (and probably with sense 6 and 4.4.2 ROM also). You will get maximum 3G (UMTS) mobile data with your current radio. On the other hand, if you decide to try an AOSP ROM, you won't have that problem there. You can be S-On and have everything working
3. You have to flash boot.img only if you're S-On. Maybe it's better if you read what S-On/S-Off means. On short, if you're S-On, some partitions are read only and you cannot write to them in recovery...most important the radio partition and the kernel/boot partition. So if you're S-On you can't flash the radio and you can't flash the kernel. Kernel has several components (I try to make a simple explanation not entering in the details): modules, ramdisk and the kernel itself. I'll take them one by one:
- modules: most are incorporated in the ROM and have the extension .so. These files are flashed on the device in the /system partition along with the ROM, in recovery. You don't need to be S-Off to have those installed
- ramdisk & kernel: they're both packed in that boot.img and they're generically referred to as "kernel". These are written in a special partition that is read-only for S-On devices while in recovery. Kernel partition is in write-mode only in fastboot. Therefore you must be S-Off to be able to write kernel from recovery OR, you have to write it from fastboot if you're S-On
So, when you flash a ROM ZIP, the install script writes the modules along with the rest of the ROM since those resides on the /system partition then tries to write also the boot.img. But in case you're S-On, it can't. So the only way to do it is from fastboot where you separately flash the boot.img
Now as I give you some info, take some time and read it (TWICE). Then take some time and look for the tutorials here. First thing you should do is to unlock your bootloader via HTC Dev site. Then you can install a recovery and make S-Off (I personally used for that Rumrunner but it's your call)
Before doing anything, install Android SDK and make sure it's properly installed and the drivers are working. You should have a functional ADB/fastboot for any of the above.

Rapier said:
Let's take one by one...
1. Yes. Currently only AOSP ROMs are with Android 4.4.2, there's no Sense based one (but it's been working on it)
2. Well, that's a tricky question...You don't need S-Off for sense 5.x BUT...only ROM with sense 5.5 is Liberty (by bilal_liberty). If you're not S-Off you can't flash radios. If you can't flash radios, you will not have HSPA/HSPA+ mobile data connection with that ROM (and probably with sense 6 and 4.4.2 ROM also). You will get maximum 3G (UMTS) mobile data with your current radio. On the other hand, if you decide to try an AOSP ROM, you won't have that problem there. You can be S-On and have everything working
3. You have to flash boot.img only if you're S-On. Maybe it's better if you read what S-On/S-Off means. On short, if you're S-On, some partitions are read only and you cannot write to them in recovery...most important the radio partition and the kernel/boot partition. So if you're S-On you can't flash the radio and you can't flash the kernel. Kernel has several components (I try to make a simple explanation not entering in the details): modules, ramdisk and the kernel itself. I'll take them one by one:
- modules: most are incorporated in the ROM and have the extension .so. These files are flashed on the device in the /system partition along with the ROM, in recovery. You don't need to be S-Off to have those installed
- ramdisk & kernel: they're both packed in that boot.img and they're generically referred to as "kernel". These are written in a special partition that is read-only for S-On devices while in recovery. Kernel partition is in write-mode only in fastboot. Therefore you must be S-Off to be able to write kernel from recovery OR, you have to write it from fastboot if you're S-On
So, when you flash a ROM ZIP, the install script writes the modules along with the rest of the ROM since those resides on the /system partition then tries to write also the boot.img. But in case you're S-On, it can't. So the only way to do it is from fastboot where you separately flash the boot.img
Now as I give you some info, take some time and read it (TWICE). Then take some time and look for the tutorials here. First thing you should do is to unlock your bootloader via HTC Dev site. Then you can install a recovery and make S-Off (I personally used for that Rumrunner but it's your call)
Before doing anything, install Android SDK and make sure it's properly installed and the drivers are working. You should have a functional ADB/fastboot for any of the above.
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2. So i have to update my firmware, right?
3. okay, i understood everything.. thank you
Why do i need the complete SDK? Doesn´t it work just with the adb and fastboot drivers?

MICH_** said:
2. So i have to update my firmware, right?
3. okay, i understood everything.. thank you
Why do i need the complete SDK? Doesn´t it work just with the adb and fastboot drivers?
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You don't have to upgrade the firmware since you're on the latest official one. 2.16 is an unofficial leaked firmware and you only need it if you want to flash MaximusHD or MagioRom
You don't need entire SDK but I thought it's easier since is an install package for that. Of course, if you don't build for Android, you don't need the libraries, just the tools
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Rapier said:
You don't have to upgrade the firmware since you're on the latest official one. 2.16 is an unofficial leaked firmware and you only need it if you want to flash MaximusHD or MagioRom
You don't need entire SDK but I thought it's easier since is an install package for that. Of course, if you don't build for Android, you don't need the libraries, just the tools
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could you give me a good tutorial for unlocking the bootloader, s-off, flash this leaked firmware and super-CID please?
Okay, i unlocked the bootloader, installed TWRP, flashed a custom rom and now i am trying to get s-off...

MICH_** said:
could you give me a good tutorial for unlocking the bootloader, s-off, flash this leaked firmware and super-CID please?
Okay, i unlocked the bootloader, installed TWRP, flashed a custom rom and now i am trying to get s-off...
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For firmware ZIPs you can flash in recovery AFTER you make S-Off, check HERE. For S-Off I used Rumrunner cause it seems to me much easier and without so many steps...it's something like a one-click operation

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For firmware ZIPs you can flash in recovery AFTER you make S-Off, check HERE. For S-Off I used Rumrunner cause it seems to me much easier and without so many steps...it's something like a one-click operation
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Rumrunner is running now
I will update my firmware tomorrow i think..
If i update the firmware with this tutorial from Maxiums 10.0 rom. Do i have hboot 2.16? Am i still able to run roms for 2.15 hboot?

MICH_** said:
Rumrunner is running now
I will update my firmware tomorrow i think..
If i update the firmware with this tutorial from Maxiums 10.0 rom. Do i have hboot 2.16? Am i still able to run roms for 2.15 hboot?
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I didn't checked the MaximusHD tutorial but I strongly suggest you to just flash the firmware zip if you want to do an upgrade/downgrade of the firmware. Most tutorials assume you're initial S-Off and include also some steps for how to acquire this or going through RUUs.
OK..I've read the MaximusHD tutorial, it's pretty much identical with the one made by Flashalot...so the answer is YES, you can use it and after that you would have hboot 2.16. Please also note that a different recovery must be used with 2.16 ROMs. But you'll have that in the MaximusHD instructions as well
NO, you can't run or flash ROMs made for 2.15 firmware after doing this. You should downgrade the firmware to 2.15 first, by using the instructions and the firmware ZIP from the thread I've linked

Rapier said:
I didn't checked the MaximusHD tutorial but I strongly suggest you to just flash the firmware zip if you want to do an upgrade/downgrade of the firmware. Most tutorials assume you're initial S-Off and include also some steps for how to acquire this or going through RUUs.
OK..I've read the MaximusHD tutorial, it's pretty much identical with the one made by Flashalot...so the answer is YES, you can use it and after that you would have hboot 2.16. Please also note that a different recovery must be used with 2.16 ROMs. But you'll have that in the MaximusHD instructions as well
NO, you can't run or flash ROMs made for 2.15 firmware after doing this. You should downgrade the firmware to 2.15 first, by using the instructions and the firmware ZIP from the thread I've linked
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could you please give me a link to a recovery that is compatible with 2.16? TWRP would be perfect
After installing the new hboot i have still a rom for 2.15 running on my phone. does this work? Does updating the firmware wipe internal storage?
Why do some sense 5 roms work with hboot 2.15 and others not?

MICH_** said:
could you please give me a link to a recovery that is compatible with 2.16? TWRP would be perfect
After installing the new hboot i have still a rom for 2.15 running on my phone. does this work? Does updating the firmware wipe internal storage?
Why do some sense 5 roms work with hboot 2.15 and others not?
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Oh...you like to ask soo many questions don't you? All these questions are already answered in the threads, why don't you check them?
The main difference between 2.15 and 2.16 hboot/firmware is the partition map. On 2.16 there is no separation between the sdcard and data and you get a single big space for both. This makes more space available to data and sdcard looks bigger (12 GB instead of 10 GB). That's a brief description not entering in details. ROMs made for 2.15 will work on 2.16 and the other way around BUT with issues. Mainly it is about the sdcard size that is not available at all or has an incorect size (48 MB instead of 12/10 GB). So even if your 2.15 ROM is working...try to check if the sdcard is mounted and what space you have on it
So all these being said, your understanding of the word "works" is different from the one of the devs. For them (or for anyone else), a "working" ROM does not mean only it boots, but it's also have all the parts available including sdcard mountable and available on it's entire space, not truncated to 48 MB or not mountable at all.
Now about why some sense 5 ROMs work with 2.15 and some don't. Because some ROMs are based on the leaked 2.16 firmware and those ROMs need the new partition map to properly work. The ones that are working on 2.15 are usually ports or builds made for the standard official HTC firmware.
Link for recoveries compatible with 2.16 hboot you can find in the OP of each 2.16 ROM

Rapier said:
Oh...you like to ask soo many questions don't you? All these questions are already answered in the threads, why don't you check them?
The main difference between 2.15 and 2.16 hboot/firmware is the partition map. On 2.16 there is no separation between the sdcard and data and you get a single big space for both. This makes more space available to data and sdcard looks bigger (12 GB instead of 10 GB). That's a brief description not entering in details. ROMs made for 2.15 will work on 2.16 and the other way around BUT with issues. Mainly it is about the sdcard size that is not available at all or has an incorect size (48 MB instead of 12/10 GB). So even if your 2.15 ROM is working...try to check if the sdcard is mounted and what space you have on it
So all these being said, your understanding of the word "works" is different from the one of the devs. For them (or for anyone else), a "working" ROM does not mean only it boots, but it's also have all the parts available including sdcard mountable and available on it's entire space, not truncated to 48 MB or not mountable at all.
Now about why some sense 5 ROMs work with 2.15 and some don't. Because some ROMs are based on the leaked 2.16 firmware and those ROMs need the new partition map to properly work. The ones that are working on 2.15 are usually ports or builds made for the standard official HTC firmware.
Link for recoveries compatible with 2.16 hboot you can find in the OP of each 2.16 ROM
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now i have everything i wanted to know tanks
I think i will stay on 2.15 and install ViperOne S 3.1.3 now. This will work on my current setup, right?
I will update the radio. Should i just flash the one attached in the ViperOne S thread in recovery?

MICH_** said:
now i have everything i wanted to know tanks
I think i will stay on 2.15 and install ViperOne S 3.1.3 now. This will work on my current setup, right?
I will update the radio. Should i just flash the one attached in the ViperOne S thread in recovery?
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Good choice, Viper is a fine ROM and close to the original since it's sense based...also has extra customization that the original ROM doesn't have.
For the radio, well I've answered to you in the Viper thread. I would advice not to flash another radio just now. Flash the ROM, play with it for a few days then decide. If you have no issues with signal reception, wifi and so on, you don't have real reasons to change it.
I had initially (when I bought the device) radio 1.06es (I think)...since then alot of newer versions came out including the 1.20 from the leaked 2.16 firmware and the newest 1.35a from the One XL. To be honest, after several days with each, I've switched back to 1.15 that was the best radio for me.
The only ROM for which you MUST flash a different radio will be Liberty by bilal_liberty. That is based on Android 4.3 and Sense 5.5 and the newest 1.35a radio is needed in order to get H/H+ (HSPA) mobile data connection. If you don't use that radio you'll get maximum 3G (UMTS) connection. The rest will work tho

I still don't understand why I had so many problems with Viper. Dropped calls, random reboots etc...
Once I got CM11 running - never looked back in terms of reliability.

[S4] HBOOT Comparison | 2.15 vs 2.16

This is a comparison between the older Jellybean HBOOT 2.15 and the leaked HBOOT 2.16​
HBOOT 2.15 Pros​
Supported by about 95% of the HTC One S ROMs around
Ability to mount storage as Mass Storage. TWRP 2.7.x.x and lower
Going S-ON with this HBOOT won't corrupt your SD Card
HBOOT 2.15 Cons​
Smaller SD Card partition - 10 GB of Storage
Smaller System partition - 1 GB-ish (Not sure what exact size is)
Older Radio, ADSP, WCNSS and other firmware elements
HBOOT 2.16 Pros​
Bigger SD Card Partition - 12.9 GB of Storage
Bigger System Partition - About 1.5 GB - Useful for ported Sense ROMs
Updated Radio and other firmware elements - Better Radio performance, battery life, etc.
Growing support for HBOOT 2.16 ROMs
HBOOT 2.16 Cons​
Requires S-OFF to instal
Supported by about 30% of the HTC One S ROMs around
Going S-ON will corrupt your SD Card (Trust me!)
Installation NOT recommended for first time users
As you can see here there is no real advantage of upgrading to HBOOT 2.16 other than the increased partition sizes, but there is not really any disadvantage other than the S-ON SD Card corruption, it does give you slightly better Radio performance though. Anyway, hopefully this will help users decide whether or not to upgrade to HBOOT 2.16
Please tell me more of your pros and cons of each HBOOT that are NOT already listed here and I will include them​

Very useful, great idea

Well I'm on HBOOT 2.15.4444 (moonshine hboot) and I have the full set of fastboot oem flash commands. I also manually upgraded to the newer Radio 1.20, with matching WCNSS and ASDP so I'm fine that way. I use CM 11 M10 atm, got to update my signature, and it doesn't support HBOOT 2.16 yet. I dont need the bigger partition sizes, i'm doing just fine for now so I'm sticking with HBOOT 2.15.4444 for the foreseeable future.

This is a good thread idea. But to help users interested I would add a definition of what is an HBOOT...
As I read your post, I see 2 possibilities :
you're talking about the firmware: boot loader + partition layout + recovery + radio + other partitions
or just the boot loader and partition layout
I would say number 2 but this is arguable...

kdd998 said:
This is a good thread idea. But to help users interested I would add a definition of what is an HBOOT...
As I read your post, I see 2 possibilities :
you're talking about the firmware: boot loader + partition layout + recovery + radio + other partitions
or just the boot loader and partition layout
I would say number 2 but this is arguable...
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Mainy people on this thread refer to hboot 2.16 as the whole firmware (radio, bootloader, adsp, wcnss and parition scemes)

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Mainy people on this thread refer to hboot 2.16 as the whole firmware (radio, bootloader, adsp, wcnss and parition scemes)
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Well the more technically inclined don't. When they think HBOOT 2.16, they think HBOOT 2.16 firmware that @LlabTooFeR leaked

javelinanddart said:
Well the more technically inclined don't. When they think HBOOT 2.16, they think HBOOT 2.16 firmware that @LlabTooFeR leaked
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yes thats what im talking about

dd98 said:
HBOOT 2.16 Cons​Need to downgrade to HBOOT 2.15 to run an RUU
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I have previously run an RUU to downgrade from 2.16 to 2.15. Why would you not be able to run it? I thought it would be the safest method.

rosswhite said:
I have previously run an RUU to downgrade from 2.16 to 2.15. Why would you not be able to run it? I thought it would be the safest method.
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strangely enough whenever i ran an ruu, i had to re-install hboot 2.15

dd98 said:
strangely enough whenever i ran an ruu, i had to re-install hboot 2.15
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That's really odd. That shouldn't happen. I can always RUU over HBOOT 2.16 (well not ALWAYS, my computer is broken so....)
Also, as far as I know, only flash Radio, WCNSS, and ASDP from HBOOT 2.16 firmware on 2.15. I've run into issues before.

ability to mount mass storage in TWRP 2.7.1.2 , it works fine on my phone

kingofsurf said:
ability to mount mass storage in TWRP 2.7.1.2 , it works fine on my phone
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thats only for hboot 2.15 though

dd98 said:
thats only for hboot 2.15 though
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No it works on 2.16 also

Flashalot said:
No it works on 2.16 also
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im thinking of modified twrp 2.6.1.0 then

I don't see older radios as a con since the one that come with jb was the best for me plus with s-off you can have any radio.
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I would like to try to go back to 2.15 because the call quality issue with sense6 drives me crazy. How to do? What ruu should I flash?

kingofsurf said:
I would like to try to go back to 2.15 because the call quality issue with sense6 drives me crazy. How to do? What ruu should I flash?
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im assuming its a european one s, like mine. just flash this ruu
you need one of the following cids
11111111
HTC__001

How to install hboot 2.16
Can you help me how to install HBOOT 2:16 ???
Plzz...

ShkodranY said:
Can you help me how to install HBOOT 2:16 ???
Plzz...
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There is a whole Q&A bit just for that or the one thread that has everything you need to flash it.
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ShkodranY said:
Can you help me how to install HBOOT 2:16 ???
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You can try my guide here