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* I love the color orange.HTC Evo 2.3.3 Gingerbread Root Collaboration
The Lowdown on Everything
FASTBOOT
HTC's RUU releases basically run the adb reboot bootloader code, reconnect to the phone, verify the version and run a series of fastboot commands to install the contents of the PC36IMG (detailed below). In the same way it may be possible to run fastboot commands from command prompt with the SDK installed if you can time it just right in the flashing process, or not. The bootloader can be quite picky when it comes to letting anyone or anything flash anything lower than the version on the phone, or unsigned.
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PC36IMG
The PC36IMG is what is flashed in the bootloader. The contents of the zip include the radio, system, and more. As long as S-ON is present the bootloader won't flash any PC36IMG that isn't signed by HTC themeselves, however with S-OFF you can flash custom PC36IMGs as well as downgrade, because the bootloader doesn't check the firmware version to see if it's newer or not. If someone was however to be a sneaky awesome ninja and steal HTC's secret sauce then we could simply sign any PC36IMG we wanted to and fake a newer version in the android info txt.
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RECOVERY
From my understanding the stock recovery references alot with the bootloader to check for most of the same checks it looks for in the PC36IMG, but in the update.zip HTC includes for updates. The stock recovery won't flash anything but signed HTC update.zips either, which again you need the special sauce to sign. Custom recoveries like Amon RA or Clockwork remove the security and don't reference with the bootloader (since your phone has to be S-OFF anyways to flash a custom recovery.) A custom recovery is the key in flashing customs roms and kernels, if you can achieve it with the security on (S-ON) the you won't even have to worry about achieving S-OFF. However, that's near impossible due to the security in the bootloader HTC implements with updates. Which is why the bootloader has to be cracked to install anything.
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RUU
The RUU is an official tool HTC puts out so people can reflash there phone with a stock firmware just like if it is brand new and your turning it on for the first time. The files included inside of the RUU frontend include the PC36IMG which is essentially what is flashed in the process, but in a fancy way I guess you could put it. The same security applies to the RUU, you can't downgrade versions without S-OFF because the bootloader still checks the version on the phone currently to see if it can flash the PC36IMG or not (when security is on [S-ON] )
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APKS
I'm sure alot of you know of applications such as Visionary or Z4Root, they both use common exploits to root your phone in a simple application, first temp root then permanent root. They push the approiate resources, Superuser, su, busybox, set the permissions for everything to run, and clean up everything in the blink of an eye thanks to simple scripts. The same thing is still quite possible with any exploit, the exploit just has to be found in the software. You find the exploit you gain root. You have root you can do almost anything to your phone, but S-OFF still plays a role in everything with what you can and cannot flash. Sigh. I know right..
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Our Mission
The whole purpose of this thread is to collaborate on possible ways to obtain S-OFF and/or root on 2.3.3, either update. We are community, thus we must act like one, and not bash each other for trying. If you have a truthful idea or any questions feel free to post them. You never know, you could very well help with rooting the latest update. This has gone on far to long it's been almost 2 months and no root. This is our time to free each other from the chains of security because we all like to be dangerous sometimes.
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Possible Rooting Ideas
What Works What Doesn't
I encourage everyone to try previous rooting methods, and methods to obtain S-OFF and experiment as much as they feel comfortable with, you never know what you might find. We could be overlooking something.
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There is no right or wrong answer only better ones than others. Please do not bash users, or slander them for there ideas, everyone has a right to post, but please stay on topic. /end
Am I missing something?
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Am I missing something?
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Just give me a few, I'm still typing.
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<words>I'll be back on tomorrow, I'm going to go lay down and talk to my friend. Feel free to comment with any ideas. I, myself, am looking into and working very hard to achieve S-OFF and root for the 2.3.3 update, it will come in time. That's just the key; time.</words>
What other phones have you developed, alone or with a group, a rooting and/or s-off type process for? And I don't mean an app that uses an already known exploit such as rageagainstthecage.
I guess at least we have a fancy thread now. Best of luck to everyone.
ill jsut post a small snippet of thanks for thaking this initiative, i dont know about android os myself one bit, so i can hardly contribute, but would there be a way to "fool" the hboot or Ruu version number ?
either fooling the hboot into thinking the ruu one is trying to flash ( to downgrade of course) is a higher version one, or to somehow change the RUU itself to report a different version number? i realize this may sound incredibly stupid as my programming knowledge is very limited, but jst throwing it out there...
once again, thanks for taking this initiative for the evo 4g community
I was wondering if you could force the RUU update. We know it verifies the version on the phone, but surely to could still flash if it was forced. Sort of like doing an nvflash on the tablets. You'd just need to hack the RUU updater to skip the version check and flash anyway. Unfortunately, I'm not a cracker, so...
This should take off
There's a whole thread in Evo General full of ideas due to some kind of "bounty" to whomever achieves root on 2.3.3. At least we could get a start on what does/doesn't work. (This is not meant to deter traffic from this brainstorming thread)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1162671
skatrwannabe3 said:
There's a whole thread in Evo General full of ideas due to some kind of "bounty" to whomever achieves root on 2.3.3. At least we could get a start on what does/doesn't work. (This is not meant to deter traffic from this brainstorming thread)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1162671
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Hey, great idea. Just so you know, there is no "bounty" on rooting the ota. I dont even know where that term came from. I just started a thread to say that I am desperate for root, I will pay for someone to figure it out. I never asked anyone or expected anyone else to throw money in on it too. It has since grown into a 600+ dollar pot, and I think that its a good thing. The people that take the time to root it should get a pat on the back.
On topic: I see a bunch of people saying to downgrade, isnt temp root gonna come before that? Shouldnt temp root be the thing to focus on first?
I'm not much of a programmer but ill brick my phone as many times as needed lol
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github said:
What other phones have you developed, alone or with a group, a rooting and/or s-off type process for? And I don't mean an app that uses an already known exploit such as rageagainstthecage.
I guess at least we have a fancy thread now. Best of luck to everyone.
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I've personally never been the leader of a rooting or S-OFF project before, but my knowledge of Android on a whole is pretty vast. I do develop roms and kernels as well as themes and apps for Android in general, so I guess I'm pretty qualified?
fldash said:
I was wondering if you could force the RUU update. We know it verifies the version on the phone, but surely to could still flash if it was forced. Sort of like doing an nvflash on the tablets. You'd just need to hack the RUU updater to skip the version check and flash anyway. Unfortunately, I'm not a cracker, so...
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I'm not sure that the RUU is anything but a front end user interface for the process, the actual flashing and everything involves the bootloader, which is why it still pushes the PC36IMG temp. to the sdcard. It might however be in the RUU itself and using fastboot flashes? I'll look into it. Good idea, thanks.
Who rated the thread bad?
bubby323 said:
I'm not sure that the RUU is anything but a front end user interface for the process, the actual flashing and everything involves the bootloader, which is why it still pushes the PC36IMG temp. to the sdcard. It might however be in the RUU itself and using fastboot flashes? I'll look into it. Good idea, thanks.
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but does the RUU update the hboot itself?
the point is , older hboots and android software are already rooted, if we can get back to those , the end result is the same, we get root, then upgrade using a stock rooted rom, problem solved
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What Works What Doesn't
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My recent failures attempts while on 4.24 S-On:
Amon_Ra Recovery PC36IMG.zip flashed from Hboot
Signed 3.70 PC36IMG.zip flashed from Hboot
Signed 4.24 PC36IMG.zip flashed from Hboot (it loads/updates, but is basically a factory reset)
3.70 RUU exe
UnrEVOked3
some chucklehead
bubby323 said:
Who rated the thread bad?
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Eh, I put in a 5 star vote to make it up, also to show the uselessness of voting.
Has anyone looked at the contents of a PC36IMG.zip? I am still decompliling one, but its a fun task to decipher all of the code. Another thing I need is for someone to tell me which files I should be looking for as far as HTC signing. What I would like to do is maybe strip it from the stock one, and insert it into a custom image.
Sent from the land of motorcycles!
Hi guys. I'm hoping my post hasn't broken any forum rules... but anyway, i am very new to android, and i'm still trying to read up on/learn about rooting a phone + flashing a ROM to it. I have a few questions that i'm hoping some experienced people could answer for me =]
1. Does my HTC sensation need to have a certain update before i can try archieve S-Off? (I'm on the Three network [UK] and my software number is 1.34.771.1)
2. How easy is it to brick a device? Im good with computers, and can follow instructions, but seeing as i have no past experience with android, i'm anxious to try flash new ROMs to my phone without insurance - as £500 for a new device would kill me... =P
3. When flashing a new custom ROM to my phone, what kind of 'wipe' do i need to perform? I've read a few articles, all of which say to perform different wipes.
4. I dont understand ' Radio Flashing' could someone kindly explain that to me please?
5. What exactly does CWM backup? =P
I hope i'm not wasting anyones time here, i have read through the articles for noobs, just need some clarification =]
Thanks for everyones time.
~Tbestie~
tbestie said:
Hi guys. I'm hoping my post hasn't broken any forum rules... but anyway, i am very new to android, and i'm still trying to read up on/learn about rooting a phone + flashing a ROM to it. I have a few questions that i'm hoping some experienced people could answer for me =]
1. Does my HTC sensation need to have a certain update before i can try archieve S-Off? (I'm on the Three network [UK] and my software number is 1.34.771.1)
2. How easy is it to brick a device? Im good with computers, and can follow instructions, but seeing as i have no past experience with android, i'm anxious to try flash new ROMs to my phone without insurance - as £500 for a new device would kill me... =P
3. When flashing a new custom ROM to my phone, what kind of 'wipe' do i need to perform? I've read a few articles, all of which say to perform different wipes.
4. I dont understand ' Radio Flashing' could someone kindly explain that to me please?
5. What exactly does CWM backup? =P
I hope i'm not wasting anyones time here, i have read through the articles for noobs, just need some clarification =]
Thanks for everyones time.
~Tbestie~
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1. As long as you are on Android 2.3.3 there shouldnt be a problem. 2.3.4 donesnt have a S=off just yet, i think
2. Bricking is actually very hard to do, if u follow instructions you should be good
3. all you need to wip is the system data, cache, and i reccomend wiping the battery status too
4. Radio flashing is chaning your radio number. this is actually a very easy process. Dont worry about this, all you do is put a zip on ur sd card, and the phone does the rest.
5. ClockWork Mod backs up quite literally everytrhing. Think "Macrium Reflect" for a PC. Or a "Ghost Backup" for a PC.
6. I just added this. don worry about wasting peoples time. We are here to help each other like a community. Let me know if u have any other questions.
I am following this thread, and when u reply i will answer you again. So feel free to ask any more questions.
If you feel like ur ready to root just go to the Development forum and see the 1st sticky thread. Or if u ask i will send u a few links on how to root.
Alankrut said:
1. As long as you are on Android 2.3.3 there shouldnt be a problem. 2.3.4 donesnt have a S=off just yet, i think
2. Bricking is actually very hard to do, if u follow instructions you should be good
3. all you need to wip is the system data, cache, and i reccomend wiping the battery status too
4. Radio flashing is chaning your radio number. this is actually a very easy process. Dont worry about this, all you do is put a zip on ur sd card, and the phone does the rest.
5. ClockWork Mod backs up quite literally everytrhing. Think "Macrium Reflect" for a PC. Or a "Ghost Backup" for a PC.
6. I just added this. don worry about wasting peoples time. We are here to help each other like a community. Let me know if u have any other questions.
I am following this thread, and when u reply i will answer you again. So feel free to ask any more questions.
If you feel like ur ready to root just go to the Development forum and see the 1st sticky thread. Or if u ask i will send u a few links on how to root.
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Thank you very much =] Think i'll give rooting a go within the next week... just want to make my sensation that much faster and improve the battery life!
If you don't mind me asking;
What exactly is a Radio number for?
I am on android 2.3.3 , just my software number seemed different to other peoples phones =P
So if i use this 'Clockwork Mod' to backup everything, once the new ROM has installed, will everything just be the same (apart from the changes on the ROM obv) such as app placements on homescreens etc. Or will i have to put everything back?
Also, say android releases 2.3.5 , im assuming i would just flash an updated ROM over the top of an older 2.3.4 ROM when it is released?
I've read through the 1st sticky a few times already, just to familiarise myself with certain words/actions =]
Finally, what is hboot =]
Thanks again for your time!
~Tbestie~
tbestie said:
So if i use this 'Clockwork Mod' to backup everything, once the new ROM has installed, will everything just be the same (apart from the changes on the ROM obv) such as app placements on homescreens etc. Or will i have to put everything back?
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Clockwork Mod is just a recovery program to allow you to install new ROMs to your device, but most importantly, to let you backup and restore your current device configuration (like a sort of time machine). Most developers recommend Clockwork Mod (CWM) because it is so good at what it does. If anything fails, and you need to use your phone in a pinch, just revert to a CWM backup, and all's well!
So, to answer your question, unfortunately, no. One of the only ways to do that is with Titanium Backup, a program from the Android Market.
CWM is for reverting to previous incarnations of your phone's software and firmware.
Sorry I only answered one question, but it was the only one I knew how to in an effective manner.
Sorry, I can answer another!
tbestie said:
What exactly is a Radio number for?
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A radio is the way that your device communicates with your mobile networking. (wifi, 3G/4G, etc) Different Radio versions (numbers) work better for different people. Most developers will release a matched radio with their ROMs, which is usually what works best for them. Depending on your area, different radios may work better for you. Ultimately concerning radios, Your Mileage WILL vary. it's one of the other big trial and error pieces to flashing custom ROMs.
tbestie said:
Thank you very much =] Think i'll give rooting a go within the next week... just want to make my sensation that much faster and improve the battery life!
If you don't mind me asking;
What exactly is a Radio number for?
I am on android 2.3.3 , just my software number seemed different to other peoples phones =P
So if i use this 'Clockwork Mod' to backup everything, once the new ROM has installed, will everything just be the same (apart from the changes on the ROM obv) such as app placements on homescreens etc. Or will i have to put everything back?
Also, say android releases 2.3.5 , im assuming i would just flash an updated ROM over the top of an older 2.3.4 ROM when it is released?
I've read through the 1st sticky a few times already, just to familiarise myself with certain words/actions =]
Finally, what is hboot =]
Thanks again for your time!
~Tbestie~
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Radio Number/Version is the version of ur radio. This is signal related.
So when updates come out they typically update the
radio and make the signal strength better.
This is something to be careful with, when changing ROMs
make sure that the some you are about to change into
supports ur radio version.
When u use ClockWork Mod to backup it will backup your current settings. So if u backup it consists of your rom , apps, settings, etc. so if u restore that then everything would be like the old one. So Yes, u would have the set everything back on the homescreen. Its ok, u will get used to that.
When they release android 2.3.5 you might have to "wipe" your phone and do it again. Maybe, depending on your rom, you might be able to flash on top of 2.3.4
H-Boot is similar to the Bios of the computer. And you know how carefully you have to be to change that.
But the H-Boot version that the 1st sticky says allows changing of certain things, thus allowing you to have root.
Feel free to ask away, im here to help you
Andresehn said:
Sorry, I can answer another!
A radio is the way that your device communicates with your mobile networking. (wifi, 3G/4G, etc) Different Radio versions (numbers) work better for different people. Most developers will release a matched radio with their ROMs, which is usually what works best for them. Depending on your area, different radios may work better for you. Ultimately concerning radios, Your Mileage WILL vary. it's one of the other big trial and error pieces to flashing custom ROMs.
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lol. you posted both while i was writing up my response.
Its good though, because then the OP will get to read 2 times as much, which will make him even better at the terminology and the process
Lol. I'm just trying to be helpful so i can get to posting on the Dev. forums. There are plenty of easy questions there...
Appreciating the help guys =] Starting to understand a bit better!
So when i flash a new ROM, i must flash a new Radio? If i flash the recommended radio, how likely am i to get a good signal? And if im getting poor signal, i just have to keep trying new Radios? ( I Heard flashing radios is one of the ways you can brick your device)
Also with CWM - When the backup is made... do i have to keep it on the Sd card? Or can i move it to the computer so it takes up less space?
And if i understand correctly - CWM basically creates a backup just incase things go wrong you can always revert back?
... If i use titanium backup, what benefits does that bring over CWM? - Is it worth the money?
Thanks again
~Tbestie~
Also, how do i find my hboot version?
Ive started trying to get S-Off... just be reading ahead, it says that Custom ROMs come with root already? Does that mean i just need CWM with S-Off to flash a ROM? Or do i need to Root + Do the Super-Cid thing?
tbestie said:
Also, how do i find my hboot version?
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- Hold the power button, untill you get Shut Down, Airplane Mode or Restart.
- Click on Restart then Yes.
- Wait until all the lights on your device turn off.
- Hold the Vol. Down Button until a white screen shows.
There you'll find HBOOT-XXXXXX
This is your HBOOT version.
To get to your OS again:
- Make sure FASTBOOT is hightlighted.
- Press the <Power> button.
- Go to REBOOT by pressing Vol. Down.
- Press the <Power> button.
Hope it helps
tbestie said:
Ive started trying to get S-Off... just be reading ahead, it says that Custom ROMs come with root already? Does that mean i just need CWM with S-Off to flash a ROM? Or do i need to Root + Do the Super-Cid thing?
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You don't need Root to install a custom Root.
Just S-OFF, CWM and SuperCID I believe..
Just note down your old CID before writing the new SuperCID as you may need it later if you want to flash RUU and afraid of doing something wrong
Later on, if you want to flash RUU (Rom Upgrade Utility) without the fear of flashing a wrong one, you can just write the old CID to your device again
Check this post to know more
Sorry for the silly amount of posts... i cant find how to delete them!
Just so you know - I've archieved S-Off now , and installed CWM successfully.
Am i ready to flash a ROM?
-Also i have save files in games... such as FF7 - FPse , which a really dont want to lose... is their anyway i can copy them/save them somewhere ?
claudenegm said:
You don't need Root to install a custom Root.
Just S-OFF, CWM and SuperCID I believe..
Just note down your old CID before writing the new SuperCID as you may need it later if you want to flash RUU and afraid of doing something wrong
Later on, if you want to flash RUU (Rom Upgrade Utility) without the fear of flashing a wrong one, you can just write the old CID to your device again
Check this post to know more
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How do i find/note down my old cid?
tbestie said:
Sorry for the silly amount of posts... i cant find how to delete them!
Just so you know - I've archieved S-Off now , and installed CWM successfully.
Am i ready to flash a ROM?
-Also i have save files in games... such as FF7 - FPse , which a really dont want to lose... is their anyway i can copy them/save them somewhere ?
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To flash a ROM, you mean Stock ROM (RUU) or Custom ROM?
If Custom Rom, please read my post #13 then do the SuperCID thing as you will need it for custom ROM..
About your saved games, the only way I know you can backup your saved data with is using Titanium Backup, which can be found in the Market.
Obviously, if you still don't know what you're doing, research more and then do whatever you want.
I take no responsibilities about anything that may happen to your phone using any of the methods above.
Good luck
tbestie said:
How do i find/note down my old cid?
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I posted all the instructions in the other link I posted.
You'll find CID: XXXXX, keep this code with you, in-case you need it later for installing RUU and confused about which one to use.
claudenegm said:
To flash a ROM, you mean Stock ROM (RUU) or Custom ROM?
If Custom Rom, please read my post #13 then do the SuperCID thing as you will need it for custom ROM..
About your saved games, the only way I know you can backup your saved data with is using Titanium Backup, which can be found in the Market.
Obviously, if you still don't know what you're doing, research more and then do whatever you want.
I take no responsibilities about anything that may happen to your phone using any of the methods above.
Good luck
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Im going to try install Android Revolution 3.0.0 =]
Starting to understand what im doing. About to make a backup using CWM. =]
*UPDATE* - Performed backup with CWM - Everything seemed to go fine... however i noticed it said ''No sd-ext found, skipping backup of sd-ext''...
Does that mean my SD card isnt backed up?
tbestie said:
Im going to try install Android Revolution 3.0.0 =]
Starting to understand what im doing. About to make a backup using CWM. =]
*UPDATE* - Performed backup with CWM - Everything seemed to go fine... however i noticed it said ''No sd-ext found, skipping backup of sd-ext''...
Does that mean my SD card isn't backed up?
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That's exactly what happened to me when I backed up.
I think you should ignore it, as it is trying to backup an extension in the SD-Card, as you can re-partition your SD-Card using CWM as I understand.
I would be pleased if someone explained to me what exactly sd-ext is and what I'm missing
Good day to you all
claudenegm said:
I would be pleased if someone explained to me what exactly sd-ext is and what I'm missing
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Ignoring it is ok. sd-ext not being backed up is most likely an indicator that an EXT4 formatted portion of your SD card was not found. By default, your SD card is formatted as FAT32 because of its universal acceptance by all OSs. Some users report a performance boost/personal preference toward EXT4, YMMV.
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Does that mean my SD card isnt backed up?
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Most importantly, ClockworkMod does not back up your SD card. that is something you have to do manually on your computer, should you choose to do so. CWM is only responsible for backing up the internal storage of the phone that can be changed or wiped by ROMs (or mike1986's SuperWipe.) ROMs shouldn't change the contents of the SD card.
Hi everybody. I'm starting a new thread because there are quite a few issues on this phone and I wanted your help in understanding them.
I'm using an Orange HTC desire S which I bought from a local market in India. This was about six months back and it picked up my Vodafone sim easily so i presumed it had some kind of Sim unlocker.
PROBLEM 1
Fast forward to a few days back when I thought getting root access would be fun and would enable many more options. I booted into recovery mode and here is where the first problem kicks in.
When I boot using the volume + power button option, my phone tells me it's S-OFF and then proceeds(on its own) to a different menu. It shows two options only.
1. Device info
2. Clean S58 data
There's no way at all to return to the previous screen here on. It gets stuck here because option 1 gives me general data about the phone and option 2 runs what seems like the sim unlock problem, tells me there's no update and returns to the same menu. I'm always(2 attempts) left with only the battery pull option which invariably clears all the data on my phone and works like a hard reset.
I also tried this without the memory card and got stuck at the black screen with the red exclamation mark.
Can someone tell me what's wrong here and what I need to do to get root access.
PROBLEM 2
This is more of a confusion I face. Most of my friends using the Desire S have got the sense 3.0 update but my phone is still running on 2.1 and tells me it is up to date. On the forum, most people seem to have received the 2.3.5 and the 3.0 update. Why am I not getting it?
Is it because i'm not on the orange network or is it something else(like s off)?
What do i need to do to get the updates in India?
Thanks for reading.
Can someone tell me what's wrong and how I should proceed?
sukrit7 said:
Hi everybody. I'm starting a new thread because there are quite a few issues on this phone and I wanted your help in understanding them.
I'm using an Orange HTC desire S which I bought from a local market in India. This was about six months back and it picked up my Vodafone sim easily so i presumed it had some kind of Sim unlocker.
PROBLEM 1
Fast forward to a few days back when I thought getting root access would be fun and would enable many more options. I booted into recovery mode and here is where the first problem kicks in.
When I boot using the volume + power button option, my phone tells me it's S-OFF and then proceeds(on its own) to a different menu. It shows two options only.
1. Device info
2. Clean S58 data
There's no way at all to return to the previous screen here on. It gets stuck here because option 1 gives me general data about the phone and option 2 runs what seems like the sim unlock problem, tells me there's no update and returns to the same menu. I'm always(2 attempts) left with only the battery pull option which invariably clears all the data on my phone and works like a hard reset.
I also tried this without the memory card and got stuck at the black screen with the red exclamation mark.
Can someone tell me what's wrong here and what I need to do to get root access.
PROBLEM 2
This is more of a confusion I face. Most of my friends using the Desire S have got the sense 3.0 update but my phone is still running on 2.1 and tells me it is up to date. On the forum, most people seem to have received the 2.3.5 and the 3.0 update. Why am I not getting it?
Is it because i'm not on the orange network or is it something else(like s off)?
What do i need to do to get the updates in India?
Thanks for reading.
Can someone tell me what's wrong and how I should proceed?
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Sukrit, most of your answers are within your questions. I've highlighted them in Red...
First of all, just because you purchased it in India (Somewhere like Gaffar Market, etc) doesn't mean it's from HTC India. HTC software update doesn't look at what sim card you're using to allot upgrades to your phone... It localises you depending on the software shipped with the phone.
Secondly, your phone is an Orange branded device and unlocking stuff is usually more troublesome and dangerous on branded devices... As for the solution to PROBLEM 1 as posted by you, look inside your sd card for a file named PG88IMG.zip. If you find it, back it up on your pc and delete it from the sd card. See if that helps, as having an update zip on your memory card will force your bootloader to flash it whether you want it to do so or not... Let's call it the phone's "instinct" to flash the PG88IMG.zip if it finds it while in bootloader.
I also suggest you read the Guides in the general section carefully, especially the warning about branded devices... But since you say you're s-off, half the battle is already won and i think you'll be okay to root.
As for the battery pull, it does not reset your phone data my friend... your data will all be safe and all it does is a soft reset, NOT a hard reset. You are more likely to fry your eMMC chip doing that... and that would be a MUCH bigger problem, as i'm kinda sure your phone doesn't even have a distant cousin called "warranty"
Let me know if you found an update zip on your sd card like i mentioned above, and we'll pick it up from there.
Cheers. Hope i can be of help.
Thanks a lot for answering and helping me with my problem.
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Sukrit, most of your answers are within your questions. I've highlighted them in Red...
First of all, just because you purchased it in India (Somewhere like Gaffar Market, etc) doesn't mean it's from HTC India. HTC software update doesn't look at what sim card you're using to allot upgrades to your phone... It localises you depending on the software shipped with the phone.
I've understood this but does it also mean that unless i'm on the Orange network, I won't get the update?
Also, great guess on where I got the phone from
Secondly, your phone is an Orange branded device and unlocking stuff is usually more troublesome and dangerous on branded devices... As for the solution to PROBLEM 1 as posted by you, look inside your sd card for a file named PG88IMG.zip. If you find it, back it up on your pc and delete it from the sd card. See if that helps, as having an update zip on your memory card will force your bootloader to flash it whether you want it to do so or not... Let's call it the phone's "instinct" to flash the PG88IMG.zip if it finds it while in bootloader.
I understand. There are two files that i think are relevant.
1. HTC-ANDROID-GOLD_CARD. I haven't put this in as far as I remember. Size-0 bytes.
2. PG88DIAG.nbh. I'm presuming this is the file you were talking about? There is a slight difference in name,though.
I also suggest you read the Guides in the general section carefully, especially the warning about branded devices... But since you say you're s-off, half the battle is already won and i think you'll be okay to root.
As for the battery pull, it does not reset your phone data my friend... your data will all be safe and all it does is a soft reset, NOT a hard reset. You are more likely to fry your eMMC chip doing that... and that would be a MUCH bigger problem, as i'm kinda sure your phone doesn't even have a distant cousin called "warranty"
This is what is weird,Amit. If I pull the battery when the phone is at the device info and clear s58 data screen, it always hard resets. All software/contacts,basically anything on the phone memory disappears. Why does this happen?
If you think this behavior is normal then i'll remove the file in the memory card and try again.
Thanks a ton!
Let me know if you found an update zip on your sd card like i mentioned above, and we'll pick it up from there.
Cheers. Hope i can be of help.
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Can't I just use the Orange Rom on this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1002506 for the update?
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Can't I just use the Orange Rom on this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1002506 for the update?
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Why don't we start by removing the PG88DIAG file from the sd card (back it up on PC), and also the GOLD CARD file, which obviously was used by the nefarious Gaffar guys to s-off your phone...,
This will hopefully give you access to bootloader and fastboot so you can root and flash a custom recovery. Once you've done that, you can flash whatever ROM you like.
I'd recommend Endymion if you want the best possible sense 3.5 experience...
Let me know if removing those two files allows you to remain in bootloader and access recovery...
Hey Amit. Removing the two files has worked fine. Thanku
What steps should i take now to get root access?
Or, can I just load the orange ROM available on the other thread without rooting?
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Hey Amit. Removing the two files has worked fine. Thanku
What steps should i take now to get root access?
Or, can I just load the orange ROM available on the other thread without rooting?
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Congrats buddy!
Firstly, you cannot flash a custom ROM without a custom recovery...
To obtain root access, you can use Gingerbreak.apk
I suggest you just flash a custom recovery (I personally recommend 4EXT Recovery) via fastboot or you can simply use 4EXT Recovery updater app (free) or 4EXT Recovery Control app (paid, check my signature for link), then take a nandroid backup of your current ROM, and then Flash a Custom ROM.
You don't have to stick to Orange ROMs... you can flash whatever ROM you want... I highly recommend Endymion, but the choice is ultimately yours to make...
Glad you got this far... happy times ahead for you!!
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Before proceeding, i would like to know what hboot version you have... this may save us a lot of trouble later...
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Congrats buddy!
Firstly, you cannot flash a custom ROM without a custom recovery...
To obtain root access, you can use Gingerbreak.apk
This didn't work. I left it on two times for more than 15 minutes.
I suggest you just flash a custom recovery (I personally recommend 4EXT Recovery) via fastboot or you can simply use 4EXT Recovery updater app (free) or 4EXT Recovery Control app (paid, check my signature for link), then take a nandroid backup of your current ROM, and then Flash a Custom ROM.
You don't have to stick to Orange ROMs... you can flash whatever ROM you want... I highly recommend Endymion, but the choice is ultimately yours to make...
I can do this without root too,right?
Glad you got this far... happy times ahead for you!!
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Before proceeding, i would like to know what hboot version you have... this may save us a lot of trouble later...
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android version- 2.3.3
sense - 2.1
SAGA pvt SHIP s-off RL
HBOOT- 0.98. 0002
Radio- 3805. 06. 02. 03_M
Thought i'd give you all the details
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android version- 2.3.3
sense - 2.1
SAGA pvt SHIP s-off RL
HBOOT- 0.98. 0002
Radio- 3805. 06. 02. 03_M
Thought i'd give you all the details
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Yup, everything seems to be fine. Go ahead and root your phone... flash 4EXT Recoery via 4EXT Recovery Updater app, and then after taking a backup, and doing a full wipe, flash whatever ROM you want to...
Read the instructions and guides carefully in the general and Development section prior to this, and remember...DO NOT REMOVE THE BATTERY WHILE THE PHONE IS STILL ON! It's better to try other methods to reboot it, or even let it discharge over time and switch off by itself, rather that attempt to pull battery. Othert than this, i think you're ok to flash a new ROM, and enter the amazing world of custom ROMs...
Hey. I decided to be a little experimental and just couldn't wait either; installed revolutionary and i've got root access. Ha!
Thanks so much for your help.
Now tell me, what ROM should I use?
i've also installed clockwork.
Thanks a ton again!
Edit: I think you missed a part of my reply. Gingerbreak hadn't worked hence i opted for this.
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Hey. I decided to be a little experimental and just couldn't wait either; installed revolutionary and i've got root access. Ha!
Thanks so much for your help.
Now tell me, what ROM should I use?
i've also installed clockwork.
Thanks a ton again!
Edit: I think you missed a part of my reply. Gingerbreak hadn't worked hence i opted for this.
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Congrats!
If you want a Sense 3 ROM, go for Hyperion
For Sense 3.5 (My personal favourite) go for Endymion
For crazy theming options, you can try MIUI from MIUI.us
If you like plain stock look.... Cyanogenmod.
I would however still recommend Endymion (Though i like v2.2 better than v3)
P.S. Just a friendly question... Gaffar me kitne ka pada ye phone? I bought my phone new...but my wife wants one now and i don't want to put in the money for a new phone from a mobile store...
i'll get endymion then, should follow your advise since you've helped so much. Do i need to make any changes to the hboot/radio?
and should i get both 3.1 and the add on package?
yaar, it'll be a lot cheaper now. when i bought it tab market price was around 22.5. I got it for 16.5 with box and accessories. At that time, there were only two shops that had the desire S and this was the only one that functioned properly.
i'm pretty sure you can get it for less than 13k now.
I'll try n get you the shop's name and number. i've bought both the desire and the desire s from him and they've worked well.
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i'll get endymion then, should follow your advise since you've helped so much. Do i need to make any changes to the hboot/radio?
and should i get both 3.1 and the add on package?
yaar, it'll be a lot cheaper now. when i bought it tab market price was around 22.5. I got it for 16.5 with box and accessories. At that time, there were only two shops that had the desire S and this was the only one that functioned properly.
i'm pretty sure you can get it for less than 13k now.
I'll try n get you the shop's name and number. i've bought both the desire and the desire s from him and they've worked well.
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You can get the v3.1 without the addon initially. See how it works for you... Then you can flash the addon package if you feel like Modding the ROM. I'm still on v2.2 because I didn't feel the need to upgrade.
Please do get me the number of your guy in gaffar as I'm planning to get a galaxy note as well as a desire s...
Beamed from the Dark Side using xda premium.
Hey. Looked everywhere for the number but I just can't find it. Awfully sorry,man.
I don't know if you've ever been to Gaffar before but just incase you haven't,do ensure that you buy from a proper shop and not people with cabinets full of phones. These guys will offer you cheaper prices but will also disappear in a couple of days.
There are only 5-6 big shops which sell import phones,most of them are decent and will offer you a week or two worth of hardware guarantee. Enough for you to atleast test the phone out.
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Here is the RUU for the OTA ATT 2.20 update.
Warning if you use this RUU you cannot go back to a lower RUU ( 1.85, etc ) or lower firmware as the HbOOTS are different! This is more for us that have already done the update. This will help us get back to stock if something goes foul.
There is no benefit for anyone to run this RUU as of now until root, etc is sorted out. Like I said for now mainly for us that already updated.
Thanks to scrolser for the link and DvineLord for initial find
Issues:*
1. If you update you will get a newer hboot, you may not be able to use other older ruu's such as 1.85, etc. Recommend immediately making a backup once rooted, unlocked, etc.*
2. Updating results in boot.IMG from custom roms not being flashed again. Have to flash the boot.IMG of custom Rom in fastboot as before.*
3. Radio.img will not flash on new hboot either must be done in fastboot same as boot.img.
HTC One X for AT&T ROM Update | 8.02.2012
Starting August 2nd 2012, HTC will be rolling out a system update for the HTC One X.
This update will only be available for AT&T HTC One X customers and will be sent to the device over the air. Once the release is ready, users will receive a notification on their device advising them of this update and provide instructions to receive and install it. Users can proactively check for this update by going to Home > All Apps > Settings > AT&T Software Update > Check for updates.
As an alternative solution, the system update can be downloaded to a PC and manually applied to the device. See the section at the bottom of these instructions for more information.
This system update includes:
New features:
NFC Capabilities
Additional content added to HTC Hub
Third party music applications accessible from the Car application.
Fixes/Updates:
Wi-Fi connectivity fixes
Improved Bluetooth automobile compatibility
3G/4G connectivity improvements
HTC Sense fixes
Contacts synchronization fix
Network time fix (clock displays 30 minutes off)
WARNING: During the upgrade process the device will reboot multiple times and show software upgrade screens. Do not remove the battery as this will stop the update and your device may be rendered inoperable!
Getting Started
Before you proceed with the update, make sure you have done the following:
Set aside approximately 20 minutes to allow the device to update, possibly longer based on Wi-Fi network speed
Connect the device to a charger
Ensure the battery is charged to at least 30%
Connect to a stable Wi-Fi network to download the software file.
Installation instructions
To manually perform the update, follow these steps below:
From the Home screen, tap All apps and then tap Settings.
Tap AT&T Software Update.
Tap Check for updates.
Tap OK to download the update.
After you select your method of download, you will be prompted with a Wi-Fi or Data fee warning message. If this is acceptable, tap OK to start the upgrade process.
Status of the download can be viewed in the Notifications pull down.
Once the download is complete, the user will be prompted to install from the Notifications pull down. Tap the System update to begin the upgrade process.
Tap OK to begin the update process to software version 2.20.502.7.
Device will reboot and begin installation. Users will not be able to use their device during the installation process (approximately 10 minutes).
System update complete. Tap OK to continue
Manual system update instructions:
If you are outside of AT&T/Wi-Fi coverage, or the update is not found, you may perform a manual system update.
Performing the system update manually will delete all information from the device. Ensure all information is backed up before proceeding. See the Help & How To section of this website for more information on backing up your device contents.
Performing the ROM Update:
Download and save the HTC One X™ for AT&T ROM update to your PC.
Connect your device to your PC via the supplied USB cable. NOTE: You must have HTC Sync Manager installed on your PC in order to run the update.
NOTE: If you do not have HTC Sync Manager installed already, you may download the software from http://www.htc.com/us/support/.
Ensure the device is properly recognized on the PC, then locate the HTC One X™ for AT&T ROM Update that you downloaded. Double-click on the file to launch the system update wizard.
Follow all of the system update wizard instructions shown on your PC.
Once the update is complete, click Finish in the Wizard and the device will reboot.
Once the device reboots, the initial setup wizard will appear.
Once the initial setup process is complete, the device is ready for use.
Download
portions of this post copyright HTC 2012. All rights reserved to them.
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http://dl3.htc.com/application/htc_one_x_RUU_2.20.502.7_att_us_08022012.exe
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Third party music applications accessible from the Car application.
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WOOT.
Thank you for not using File Factory haha
"NFC capabilities"????
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OP really needs to post the warnings that come with the new RUU! Do not flash if you run custom roms
XsMagical said:
OP really needs to post the warnings that come with the new RUU! Do not flash if you run custom roms
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Well, it's not that bad really. As long as you have supercid you can unlock your bootloader again, install twrp recovery, and go back to flashing custom roms. You simply lose the ability to flash kernels within recovery, instead having to revert to doing it in fastboot. Honestly it isn't that much of an inconvenience.
slippers67 said:
Well, it's not that bad really. As long as you have supercid you can unlock your bootloader again, install twrp recovery, and go back to flashing custom roms. You simply lose the ability to flash kernels within recovery, instead having to revert to doing it in fastboot. Honestly it isn't that much of an inconvenience.
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yeah if you know what you're doing, but damn I'm going to miss the one stop flashing we used to have.
eraste said:
Here is the RUU for the OTA ATT 2.20 update.
Warning if you use this RUU you cannot go back to a lower RUU ( 1.85, etc ) or lower firmware as the HbOOTS are different! This is more for us that have already done the update. This will help us get back to stock if something goes foul.
There is no benefit for anyone to run this RUU as of now until root, etc is sorted out. Like I said for now mainly for us that already updated.
Thanks to scrolser for the link and DvineLord for initial find
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I thought that was good?
XsMagical said:
OP really needs to post the warnings that come with the new RUU! Do not flash if you run custom roms
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This was to be helpful for us that already did OTA. I agree tho if one isint literate in the world of android wait to use this until all the things above are worked out.
scribed on my 2.20 HOX
slippers67 said:
Well, it's not that bad really. As long as you have supercid you can unlock your bootloader again, install twrp recovery, and go back to flashing custom roms. You simply lose the ability to flash kernels within recovery, instead having to revert to doing it in fastboot. Honestly it isn't that much of an inconvenience.
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yea thats fine if you know how, but why make everyones life harder when this upgrade is older then the asia 2.23.
its just going to make a lot of un needed posts to developers asking why the rom dont boot and so on. Run this ruu and it will cause more problems then anyone needs. As well as set you back from any S-Off development.
But that is my warning. Just saying, i cant see it from my house, my phone flashes
kernels just fine and always will. One Stop flashing.
I just hope you dev guys are extra super careful with your phones. Get a replacement with 2.20 on it and you're screwed.
gunnyman said:
I just hope you dev guys are extra super careful with your phones. Get a replacement with 2.20 on it and you're screwed.
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I know i am, Ive been down this road several times in the past and i know what to flash and not to flash. That being said, I,m just trying to warn anyone that thinks the ruu is better then the rom alone...
gunnyman said:
I just hope you dev guys are extra super careful with your phones. Get a replacement with 2.20 on it and you're screwed.
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I prefer ATT based things, not racist lol just prefer the ATT stuff it works better for me as I'm in America. I would like to think root, mount points, etc will be available so everyone can benefit. This is important because of your statement. Anyone needing a new phone now for some reason be it broken, screen etc will get this build. Not 1.85 anymore. I definitely don't think it needs to be backseated just because asia is 2.23. Us in America will be screwed as new phones ship with 2.20 not 2.23. I have faith lol who knows new hboot may have a flaw that finally allows s off.
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To be honest I jumped on the update. It fixed a lot of the issues I had with 4.0.3 sense. I still have my unlock and I'm rooted. These times are like mini vacations from flashing. I also happen to have confidence in you devs, and also know that sooner or later (probably later) HTC will release source for this updated kernel and the dev will kick off again.
Although I don't envy you devs having to deal with people who don't read.
Thanks eraste for posting this as well as the guide for updating safely.
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Nrod0784 said:
To be honest I jumped on the update. It fixed a lot of the issues I had with 4.0.3 sense. I still have my unlock and I'm rooted. These times are like mini vacations from flashing. I also happen to have confidence in you devs, and also know that sooner or later (probably later) HTC will release source for this updated kernel and the dev will kick off again.
Although I don't envy you devs having to deal with people who don't read.
Thanks eraste for posting this as well as the guide for updating safely.
Sent from my HTC One X using Tapatalk 2
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Anytime
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eraste said:
I prefer ATT based things, not racist lol just prefer the ATT stuff it works better for me as I'm in America. I would like to think root, mount points, etc will be available so everyone can benefit. This is important because of your statement. Anyone needing a new phone now for some reason be it broken, screen etc will get this build. Not 1.85 anymore. I definitely don't think it needs to be backseated just because asia is 2.23. Us in America will be screwed as new phones ship with 2.20 not 2.23. I have faith lol who knows new hboot may have a flaw that finally allows s off.
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Well I'm in america too! but i thought a warning would be nice, But what do i know
i think his warning was sufficient enough. he stated no benefits of flashing. unless you already did it prior. plus there are other threads who state warnings as well. people dont care or dont read and will flash anyway :laugh:
not taking sides i see what people do here that go against there better judgments or even when told not too :laugh:
Drop box just suspended my public links for excessive traffic lol lame. Changing hosts now sorry guys.
eraste said:
Drop box just suspended my public links for excessive traffic lol lame. Changing hosts now sorry guys.
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whoa and i just downloaded too lol. just in time add to the RUU collection lol
Hi all
I have htc desires s that has been rooted with clockwork recovery mod and virtuous saga v1.0.0
As I am having problems with the phone I would like to set it back to a standard htc rom
Can anyone tell me where I can get one and how to install it as I bought the phone second hand and it was already rooted
Thanks in advance
alphatune said:
Hi all
I have htc desires s that has been rooted with clockwork recovery mod and virtuous saga v1.0.0
As I am having problems with the phone I would like to set it back to a standard htc rom
Can anyone tell me where I can get one and how to install it as I bought the phone second hand and it was already rooted
Thanks in advance
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You came What are the problems you're having with the phone?
SimonTS said:
You came What are the problems you're having with the phone?
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after the phone has had about 10 minutes use the bottom of the screen seems to not work
usually i cant unlock the screen to answer calls, or if it unlocks when i press the phone symbol it changes to green but doesnt open the
application, and i had read some where that this can be caused by the operating system
hence i fancied returning the phone to standard to see
cheers
in Android Development forums, one of the first posts is an INDEX. in it you can find 2 solutions:
Stock pre-rooted rom: i recommend installing this, since it is very easy to do, and it will most likely solve all your problems, without removing root access.
Downgrade guide: you can downgrade your phone to get a factory reset, but it is kind of tricky, and you can mess up easily. Still, if the first option doesn't work, take some time to read and go for it.