I recently bought an Xperia Play specifically to use for emulators.
This has been great, as I got it cheap ($27 shipped) and I've had reasonably good luck with finding good emulators for the systems that I want.
I also have an Ouya, which I again bought with the express intention of using just for emulators, and that has been reasonably successful too.
Playing the Xperia Play on the go is nice, but when I'm on my lunch break in the office, I'd like something with a bigger screen and less hand-cramping controls. You might say that it is TOO portable, ie the small size that makes it so good for the pocket is too much of a compromise where pocket-ability is not the main priority.
Enter the Shield.
I first thought that the shield was rather ugly, and that its size would make it cumbersome, but I have now come to appreciate function over form, and since I always have a bag with me at work, the bulkiness isn't so much of a problem.
Like most people right now, I can't just pull a couple of hundred bucks out of my ***, so if I'm going to spend that amount of money on a toy, I need to make sure that it's going to suit my needs.
I'd like to get some opinions about what the shield is like as an emulation device, specifically the lack of a menu button.
All of the emulators that I currently use make heavy use of the menu button, so I'm curious about how to get around this.
Do the emulators have to be specific to the shield, or will the ones I currently use on my Xperia Play and Ouya work ok with some button mapping?
Also, since I often emulate computer-based machines such as the ZX Spectrum, C64 and Atari ST, would it be easy enough to use a bluetooth or usb keyboard with the shield?
The Shield is a superb emulating device. You won't need to worry about menu button, if you have been keeping up with stock Android, you will know that it does not come with dedicated menu button by design. Menu button is something manufacturers added .
Generally when you press the back button on the Shield, it will bring up the pop up menu, or pause the game and bring you back to the app menu.
All the well made emulators are smart and can auto detect controller, so they will all automatically detect the nVidia Shield and assign the buttons.
Normally, the A and B buttons on the Shield are used for Cancel and Accept, but while in the game, it will be disabled and follow the app's assigned function.
eksasol said:
The Shield is a superb emulating device. You won't need to worry about menu button, if you have been keeping up with stock Android, you will know that it does not come with dedicated menu button by design. Menu button is something manufacturers added .
Generally when you press the back button on the Shield, it will bring up the pop up menu, or pause the game and bring you back to the app menu.
All the well made emulators are smart and can auto detect controller, so they will all automatically detect the nVidia Shield and assign the buttons.
Normally, the A and B buttons on the Shield are used for Cancel and Accept, but while in the game, it will be disabled and follow the app's assigned function.
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Thanks for the info.
I have a couple of emulators on my Xperia Play that just close when the back button is pressed. I can't remember offhand, but I know for sure that Marvin (ZX Spectrum emulator) does, because I sometimes accidentally hit the back button while playing.
That may well be due to the way the emulator is set up for the Xperia Play in particular, or it could be something that I can remap.
I can't check right now because I left the thing at work!
It's mostly the ZX Spectrum, BBC Micro, and Amstrad CPC emulators that I am concerned about.
The problem is that, although I am English, I now live in America. This means that I have a strong desire to be able to emulate those three machines, but they are practically unheard of here in the States. Since the Shield hasn't been released in the UK, there won't be any Brits developing emulators with dedicated Shield support.
Machines such as the C64, NES, SNES, Genesis Playstation an N64 should be a breeze, as they are well known and loved this side of the pond.
Thank you again for your reply.
I think I now have the confidence to go ahead and buy a Shield despite my concerns. I'll get those emulators working one way or another!
If you take out the A and B buttons, you still have 8 other ones, by pressing down on the analog sticks, Y and X, L1 and 2 and R1 and 2. A few emulators can't detect L2 and R2 though.
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eksasol said:
If you take out the A and B buttons, you still have 8 other ones, by pressing down on the analog sticks, Y and X, L1 and 2 and R1 and 2. A few emulators can't detect L2 and R2 though.
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Are you saying that any button can be mapped to function as a menu button?
I know not all emulators allow for this, but I think I read that the Shield has sone kind of mapping feature.
As you can probably tell, I'm quite new to Android, and even the differences between different Android devices (eg. my Ouya and my Xperia Play) can be quite dramatic.
I've been using Linux on all of my computers for nearly a decade, so I should be used to these types of differences by now!
You can remap the console's menu button to any buttons, but not the Android OS menu button.
The only reason you find a dramatic difference between the Play and the Ouya is because they both use their own custom UI. Stock Android UI is a consistent experience across all devices that uses it. If you want to get used to how stock Android actually work then you need to accept that there is no physical menu buttons, in fact no menu button in the onscreen navigational bar either. Menu buttons are usually a 3 dots button in a corner of an app. Though you could use custom roms that let you assign menu buttons like CyanogenMod, which is not available for this device, but it is for the Play and Ouya.
The Shield have an integrated button mapping system that let you map a part of the screen to the controller's buttons. It won't help you create a system wide menu button though.
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eksasol said:
You can remap the console's menu button to any buttons, but not the Android OS menu button.
The only reason you find a dramatic difference between the Play and the Ouya is because they both use their own custom UI. Stock Android UI is a consistent experience across all devices that uses it. If you want to get used to how stock Android actually work then you need to accept that there is no physical menu buttons, in fact no menu button in the onscreen navigational bar either. Menu buttons are usually a 3 dots button in a corner of an app. Though you could use custom roms that let you assign menu buttons like CyanogenMod, which is not available for this device, but it is for the Play and Ouya.
The Shield have an integrated button mapping system that let you map a part of the screen to the controller's buttons. It won't help you create a system wide menu button though.
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Right, I think I understand now.
I'm not really bothered about a system-wide menu button, so long as I can access the features of the emulators. If that requires individual mapping with each emulator, that's fine.
Can't wait to get my Shield!
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Hello all,
I need a Little assistance getting a Wii mote hooked up to my G tablet for gaming with emulators. I got the program from the market that uses blue-tooth to hook up to the Gtab. It does hook up but i cant get it to work in the emulator. I try to map the buttons which it does but it wont work on the actual game. Anyone know the settings I am supposed to use within the wii mote program and the emulator? I would really appreciate any help.
Thanks, Rob
I'm to much of a newbie here to post links, but this should be easy to figure out...
xxx.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ia9eXgGXzk
I use simplewiicontroller.
Open the app hit the connect wii controlled button...you should get a message to sync it (make sure blue tooth is on) by pressing both buttons at the same time. Now hit the use simple wii controller another box will pop up select it again....loan up your emu app of choice then map the buttons. Works for me have fun. When you are done playing open the app back up an select android keyboard or tapntap keyboard. Otherwise you wont have a keyboard.
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I know emulators like snesdroid have an additional option in settings to enable Bluetooth control that needs to be set even after mapping keys.
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I use simplewiicontroller.
Open the app hit the connect wii controlled button...you should get a message to sync it (make sure blue tooth is on) by pressing both buttons at the same time. Now hit the use simple wii controller another box will pop up select it again....loan up your emu app of choice then map the buttons. Works for me have fun. When you are done playing open the app back up an select android keyboard or tapntap keyboard. Otherwise you wont have a keyboard.
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Thanks! That streamlined my seach for the right app and the propper steps. On my phone the on screan keys are perfect distance appart, on the Gtab its a different story. Playing anything faster paced than final fantasy tactics advance was difficult. This makes playing games a dream.
Hi everyone.
For those of you who keep up with gaming news, a huge breakthrough in Android gaming has arrived today: the addition of the alpha version of Minecraft has been added to the Marketplace.
However, it only shows up if you are on an Xperia Play phone. Of course, this does not mean you cannot get it and/or its Demo in other ways (which I will not link here), but there's a problem...
It does not play on anything else but the Xperia Play.
I have downloaded the Minecraft Demo for Android and successfully installed it onto my Transformer. It runs, albeit in a small window (and does not give me the option added in 3.2 to make it full screen.
The game does NOT have touch controls. In order to move to other options, you have to have either A. the keyboard dock or B. a controller plugged in through USB.
I have tried both methods. I can use the arrow keys and/or d-pad to select different options. However, I cannot actually choose those options to start the game up. I would assume the X button or the Start button would work, but neither of them do.
Has anyone else tried to get Minecraft working on their tablet and had better luck than me?
Doesn't matter, even if you get into the game (which I have), you cannot do anything. No moving, no dropping blocks, etc. It only works on Xperia Play for the moment.
Decompile the apk and change the controls, then remove device restrictions.
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Doesn't matter, even if you get into the game (which I have), you cannot do anything. No moving, no dropping blocks, etc. It only works on Xperia Play for the moment.
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How did you manage this? I don't understand why the arrow keys would work for the menu, but wouldn't work for moving around in the game.
Moving isn't enough, you have no way to control the camera. You might be able to move, but without being able to look up/down the game is still pointless, not to mention lacking controls so you can't drop blocks/use items/etc.
Good to know. They did say that it would be available to more devices asap... and no intention of iOS support (which is funny to me but stupid financially)
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Minecraft would be awesome. I don't have the dock though, so no touchpad or mouse for me.
Do bluetooth mice work with the transformer without the dock?
right now its a Xperia Only app for a limited time, probably for a month or so then they will allow it to go to other tablets. Im sure a modder can mod the controls in for touch screen.
I have just started using Free Minecraft Pocket Demo with my sixaxis controller. You need to use a controller because the game requires physical buttons as its made for the sony experia. Works pretty well there are a few bugs but nothing major.
Here are the links if interested.
Minecraft Pocket Demo apk: http://www.apktop.com/minecraft-pocket-edition-0-1.html
Sixaxis Controller App: http://dancingpixelstudios.com/sixaxiscontroller/instructions.html
Doesn't work on Inc1 so what's the point of this?
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Doesn't work on Inc1 so what's the point of this?
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It's working fine on my Incredible.
When I tried that app to get the six axis working its said no. So you must have some magical Inc that allowed it to work, tell us what you did. I had a whole topic on this in the q+a section cuz I want to use my six axis for emulators. I had no responses of how to get it to work.
How do you map "enter" or whatever it takes to smash blocks? Also have you played around with the full version? Minecraft Pocket?
I'm using miui....not sure if it makes a difference. I am running a slcd Droid Inc with .92 hboot. I installed the app turned on Bluetooth and no issues. I contacted the sixaxis dev to see if I could get more info on mapping the input commands for 360 movement and smashing blocks. He hasn't emailed me yet but I will update the post when he does. I can't seem to find the paid app in the market does anyone else have luck finding it?
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When I tried that app to get the six axis working its said no. So you must have some magical Inc that allowed it to work, tell us what you did. I had a whole topic on this in the q+a section cuz I want to use my six axis for emulators. I had no responses of how to get it to work.
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Are you running a sense based rom? I remember that the wiimote Bluetooth wouldn't work with sense based roms so I assume that its the same for the sixaxis. You might want to try switching to an AOSP rom (CM7, MIUI, OMGB) to use the sixaxis app.
Also we won't be able to see the paid version in the market. It only appears for xperia play devices.
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Running sense, can't live without it. Oh well.
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Doesn't work on Inc1 so what's the point of this?
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Use the apk provided in this thread. It is fixed to work on the inc
I must have the only one it doesn't work on
This is just too funny my kids are into Minecraft. I better not let on that it can be played on my phone I would lose it. LOL!
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I must have the only one it doesn't work on
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Unfortunately, Sense framework's Bluetooth driver doesn't support connecting Human Interface Devices (HID) like a controller or keyboard.
You'll need to run an AOSP based rom, as they have a different Bluetooth stack that does support HID connections.
Also, another fun fact: TV-out only works on Sense based roms, so if you're like me and dream of playing emulator games on you DINC with a wiimote and watching the video on the TV, that'll have to stay a dream.
Ignore me. I just realized that even though I selected "Search within Incredible 2" I still wound up in the Incredible 1 page. Sorry about that.
I have the paid version of Minecraft PE, got it when Google had the $0.10 app sale last fall. I am running CM7 and can use my six axis controller with SNES and NES emulators. I am having no luck with Minecraft PE though. How do you get the controller to work with Minecraft PE?
Edit: I downloaded the demo in the OP and the six axis functions in the game. However, L3 and R3 both run. I can only run and jump. Am I missing something here?
What I need:
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So.. what happens when this is turned off? Do I have to pair again with the computer?
I don't normally have a computer to get a hold of so I'm curious what would happen if I synced it to my ps3 after using it on my phone, could I just keep the address and sync it back?
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So long as it's not paired with any other device again (PS3 or computer) it will still work with your phone. It would be great if I could pair the remote with the phone over USB.
-Mooney
I found the touch profiles and created one for Minecraft PE. I have the analog_left walking and cross controls the block placement/removal. I cannot get analog_right to work correctly. When trying to turn it only turns as far as a touch from the center of the screen to the right/left of the screen.
The app is listening for a touch and the analog_rght provides a touch for that amount of screen space and when the analog_right goes back to center, the guy goes back looking forward too. As if a finger was moved from center -> side of screen -> center. That's my theory.
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So long as it's not paired with any other device again (PS3 or computer) it will still work with your phone. It would be great if I could pair the remote with the phone over USB.
-Mooney
I found the touch profiles and created one for Minecraft PE. I have the analog_left walking and cross controls the block placement/removal. I cannot get analog_right to work correctly. When trying to turn it only turns as far as a touch from the center of the screen to the right/left of the screen.
The app is listening for a touch and the analog_rght provides a touch for that amount of screen space and when the analog_right goes back to center, the guy goes back looking forward too. As if a finger was moved from center -> side of screen -> center. That's my theory.
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I actually got this work.. although its still buggy..
I don't think this will work for this game. It requires a lot of pressing the controller don't have. In general it works perfect. But the GUI and crafting and closing are the problem makers.
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I will be able to play it. I emailed the dev of the six axis app and he told me how to fix my analog_right problem. All you do is set the button to relative touch. To do this select analog_right Menu -> Button Properties -> Relative Touch. Now it works. I set the sensitivity to about 75-80%.
-Mooney
So close!
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I have just started using Free Minecraft Pocket Demo with my sixaxis controller. You need to use a controller because the game requires physical buttons as its made for the sony experia. Works pretty well there are a few bugs but nothing major.
Here are the links if interested.
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I came very close to getting this figured out. I had the left controls set with the D-pad because if you set it with the analog you would hop around randomly. I set the minecraft options to Split controls, then set an area on the right to the right analog...this is where I came into my trouble, I will inform later on. I set my brick inventory to circle and jump to X. Then I set in the middle of the screen R1 to break and place blocks. Everything was find except for the right analog. It would sense a touch, making it place and break blocks when using the right analog, plus it would reach all the way over to the left controls and just freak out. So if you came up with a solution to this problem please let me know what you found out. Thanks.
I'm sorry to bump this, but is anyone still interested? I've mapped my left analog for the movement( I just changed some button properties) and right analog for view(and building blacks and stuff). Its not complete, but you can play with your controller. My only hindrance is mapping to your block selection. I've mapped triangle as the inventory, but you have to use the touch screen from there. If anyone's interested, send me a PM and I'll send you my mappings.
Chao.
I feel this is unique enough to merit its own thread and I looked at the first 30 pages for anything similar and found nothing.
What do you think would make the dock more worth it? Not necessarily more of a netbook, because if you want a netbook then buy a netbook, but more along the lines of functionality that should be there or is already there but needs improving. This is not really a gripe session, more of a brainstorm and also helping to make suggestions to other people if a solution already exists/comes into existence. But do try to keep it reasonable; keep your expectations realistic of an Android-running device.
I'm mainly talking about Android, since as far as I know, no other OS is stable just yet, but hardware is also a determining factor. Also, since a lot of Android is the apps, I think it would be alright to list an app functionality that would be nice (i.e., a video player, an SSH client, etc.)
And hopefully it would be nice if we followed the format of
What: What it is
Why: Why you believe it is necessary.
I'll start with a few I've noticed (I run Prime 1.6 [I think] currently):
Keyboard should provide all basic functionality
I found it odd that there's a menu button, but no app-switcher key on the keyboard. I find it strange that that core piece of functionality still requires the use of the touch screen.
Word processor should focus on keyboard
Just a bunch of stupid things that make it incredibly annoying to use and would never fly in a desktop processor.
-Ctrl+S should save
-Shift should be able to select
-Bullet indenting is horrid; should use tab
Dock-friendly SSH client is desperately needed
(Hear me out. I don't expect a full IDE at all, but a simple SSH client really is not too much to ask. Again, it works perfectly, just not at all designed for the dock.)
ConnectBot is ok, but it just fails if you have a full keyboard and want to use it as a simple SSH client. Shift acts as capslock, there is no way to do many shortcuts such as Ctrl+O (save in GNU Nano), and many characters like * can't be typed directly into the console.
That's what I've noticed so far. Hopefully you guys will think this is a good idea and chip in your opinions.
-notbryant.
I want to jump around in a document if possible.
I use the regular arrow keys way more than I do in Windows.
Also I'd like to see more Ctrl+combinations available.
notbryant said:
I feel this is unique enough to merit its own thread and I looked at the first 30 pages for anything similar and found nothing.
What do you think would make the dock more worth it? Not necessarily more of a netbook, because if you want a netbook then buy a netbook, but more along the lines of functionality that should be there or is already there but needs improving. This is not really a gripe session, more of a brainstorm and also helping to make suggestions to other people if a solution already exists/comes into existence. But do try to keep it reasonable; keep your expectations realistic of an Android-running device.
I'm mainly talking about Android, since as far as I know, no other OS is stable just yet, but hardware is also a determining factor. Also, since a lot of Android is the apps, I think it would be alright to list an app functionality that would be nice (i.e., a video player, an SSH client, etc.)
And hopefully it would be nice if we followed the format of
What: What it is
Why: Why you believe it is necessary.
I'll start with a few I've noticed (I run Prime 1.6 [I think] currently):
Keyboard should provide all basic functionality
I found it odd that there's a menu button, but no app-switcher key on the keyboard. I find it strange that that core piece of functionality still requires the use of the touch screen.
Word processor should focus on keyboard
Just a bunch of stupid things that make it incredibly annoying to use and would never fly in a desktop processor.
-Ctrl+S should save
-Shift should be able to select
-Bullet indenting is horrid; should use tab
Dock-friendly SSH client is desperately needed
(Hear me out. I don't expect a full IDE at all, but a simple SSH client really is not too much to ask. Again, it works perfectly, just not at all designed for the dock.)
ConnectBot is ok, but it just fails if you have a full keyboard and want to use it as a simple SSH client. Shift acts as capslock, there is no way to do many shortcuts such as Ctrl+O (save in GNU Nano), and many characters like * can't be typed directly into the console.
That's what I've noticed so far. Hopefully you guys will think this is a good idea and chip in your opinions.
-notbryant.
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Alt+Tab works as an app switcher in the newer firmwares. They also added Shift+Arrow Keys to highlight text easier. This pretty much made the keyboard usable for me.
The more Windows shortcuts they implement the happier I will be.
Required dock features:
What: Crap load more battery. 11000mAh minimum.
Why: Useful
What: Programmable Hot Keys, menu hooks for any application.
Why: Speed. Touch is faster than mouse, hot keys would be faster than menu.
What: Hardware NIC port
Why: Sometimes wired wins over wireless.
What: Screen Orientation Controls (options - see Orientation Control app)
Why: Dock screws with orientation. Unscrew it.
What: Barrel charging vs ASUS 40 pin cable nightmare
Why: Fu*k proprietary charging.
I could think of more, but this is a start.
I'd love it if ctrl-w or ctrl-t in the Browser didn't sometimes "double-tap" and close (or open) two tabs at once. Maybe they should fix the dock keyboard problems before adding any more shortcuts. Though I would fully support and use more of the "standard" keyboard shortcuts if they implemented them.
Also, it would be nice if the apps that "lock" into portrait mode (I'm looking at YOU, ESPN, among others) could be "unlocked" when it's docked.
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Alt+Tab works as an app switcher in the newer firmwares. They also added Shift+Arrow Keys to highlight text easier. This pretty much made the keyboard usable for me.
The more Windows shortcuts they implement the happier I will be.
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I did not know that, thanks for the info. Does it work the same way as the app switcher button on the screen? Also, isn't the only Alt key on the right of the spacebar? Maybe I'm just being picky, but I use my Thumb+Ring Finger for my traditional keyboard.
As for the Shift+Arrow keys, I just used it the other day in class running Prime 1.6 and Shift+Arrow didn't work for me in Polaris.
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I would like some hotkeys; There were 2 on my Eee netbook and I found those pretty useful, and on Android it would be more so. They should have done that instead of the Camera, Browser, and Settings buttons.
Wired seems a bit beyond the scope of an Android powered device, IMO.
I concur about proprietary charging.
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I did not know that, thanks for the info. Does it work the same way as the app switcher button on the screen? Also, isn't the only Alt key on the right of the spacebar? Maybe I'm just being picky, but I use my Thumb+Ring Finger for my traditional keyboard.
As for the Shift+Arrow keys, I just used it the other day in class running Prime 1.6 and Shift+Arrow didn't work for me in Polaris.
@Bob Smith42
I would like some hotkeys; There were 2 on my Eee netbook and I found those pretty useful, and on Android it would be more so. They should have done that instead of the Camera, Browser, and Settings buttons.
Wired seems a bit beyond the scope of an Android powered device, IMO.
I concur about proprietary charging.
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Yeah you have to use the right Alt which sucks for a little while til you get used to it. If the Alt and search keys were switched it would be better. If you root I think someone could easily remap the search key to alt also, but I am not 100% on this.
I am not sure if the shift+arrow keys thing is an OS thing or an application dependant thing. I do it in the email app primarily and never really tried it anywhere else yet.
For those wanting a wired ethernet port; one of the guys around here got a USB to ethernet adapter to work, but some applications don't use it correctly but I think someone will work it out. Not sure if you need root for it though.
The first thing we would need is the hotkeys for our devices, and other ways to use the keyboard. then we could worry about added functionality. does anybody know where one of tose lists could be found
found one that is being worked on
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1071739
What: Language switching (Alt+LShift)
Why: For those of us who are multi-lingual switching between languages also affects dictionary and spell check features in applications. Being able to do that with a keyboard switch rather than tapping ths screen and selecting from a menu would be more efficient.
Ability to swap functionality around a bit.
I'd love to be able to set the '<-' back button to ESCAPE (without using the root tricks to remap). Perhaps FUNCTION-'<-' is escape (or remapped to back)
More controllable key bindings
That whole top line of shortcuts should be more configurable. When using VNC/RDP, they'd be more use to me as standard windows function keys. Ability to quickly select them would be great.
The rest? Not too fussed, works great for everything else.
Asus were /really/ smart doing what they did. Hopefully they keep this standard (or even license the connector out).
Docking station variations
I'd still like to see variations of the keyboard. I might buy 2 with different functionality. Need the standard keyboard? Chuck the TF in and go. Doing a lot of remote work today? Drop it into the 'windows key compatibility' dock and use that.
Bigger/Heavier dock with bigger (and I mean monstrous!) keyboard.
One with RFID reader in/biometric scanners. (ok, getting niche here, but you're after what WE want!)
Keyboard dock that's another screen. TF drops into it, gets the extra battery life, but there's another display there, like the new Sony one appears to work. More screen real estate, on-screen keyboard if needed.
Game-board. stub joysticks, arcade quality fire buttons, nice trackpad area in middle. Would make an awesome portable MAME device.
Heck, can see a market for JUST a battery pack, no keys, trackpad, just a battery pack for the tablet screen.
Highend dock
Larger battery,
another few USB ports, maybe even a firewire port,
CD/DVD (if they get a linux kernal with the support compiled in).
Backlit keyboard
Turn it into a full on netbook. 250ish bucks.
Can't get over how cool a concept the docking is, sure there's a market for more flexibility. They just /really/ need to license it. Could be a long term money earner for them if there's others paying to make these things.
Oh, and whilst going off the point, might as well really go for it;
A new keyboard dock with (or a slot for) a HUGE HD(well, SSD preferred, power considerations really). Take the TF around, take some pics, small vids, drop into the dock, do some simple video work with a 200gb SSD to save to.
(and/or use that huge HD for some serious film/music/mame roms storage)
Something very important to me that I would like to see implemented is better text selection.
The cursors selection is good for touch screen, but it kinda defeats the point of having a touch pad.
I'd like to be able to select text with the touch pad cursor, just like you do on a regular PC with drag and drop...
It's really something mandatory for me as I copy paste very often between browsers, terminals and so on ..
Also a way to deactivate page scrolling with the touch pad, for example it's currently impossible to do a drag and drop of something on the screen , without triggering the scrolling of the page.
(usefull for cropping pictures in a web browser and such for example, or any other operation that requires drag and drop)
Alt+tab works ok in the latests firmwares, but it only works while being on the home screen, which is kinda a pain.
It's usefull to switch between applications, but it doesn't work that way.
Portrait
It would really smart if you had two connector sides on the tablet so you could choose between landscape (the present) or portrait mode if you want to use the Transformer for more serious writing assignments.
@Bjd223
I think things like shift-arrows are application dependent, which is why it's that much more of a disappointment that Polaris doesn't have it since it is supposed to be centered around manipulating text.
@Jyveafk
You should really try to use the format that I suggested; your post looks like a wall of text.
@Kumabjorn
If you really wanted that, a bluetooth keyboad might be more up your alley.
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@Kumabjorn
If you really wanted that, a bluetooth keyboad might be more up your alley.
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I actually have a BT keyboard as well, just not any stand for the Eee Pad yet. It would just be nice to carry it around as one unit and then take it out of the dock and reinsert it in portrait mode. This is after all a wish list, and I'm sure people from ASUS lurk around here.
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What: Language switching (Alt+LShift)
Why: For those of us who are multi-lingual switching between languages also affects dictionary and spell check features in applications.
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It seems to be there for Russian, only the shortcut is Ctrl+Space.
The way this works is quite tricky, though. First, you need to use the keyboard icon in notification area to switch to the keyboard to "ASUS Russian" (if needed, adding it as an option in Input Settings). After that, Ctrl+Space can be used to switch between that and English. I don't know if that is there for all non-English layouts, or only non-Latin ones, though.
Also, Ctrl+Shift will pop up the usual keyboard selector menu, which can then be navigated using arrow keys. Still too verbose, but at least you don't have to take your hands off the keys to tap the screen.
I don't ask for much, just a...
backlit keyboard...
Kumabjorn said:
It would really smart if you had two connector sides on the tablet so you could choose between landscape (the present) or portrait mode if you want to use the Transformer for more serious writing assignments.
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Hmm, interesting. I think having a 'universal' connector, for keyboards and other things is viable, and if 'other' things to plug in, having a base/side port to 'plug' to could work well. For keyboards (and the rotating around view IS great for writing), and... other devices we've not thought of yet.
Here http://code.google.com/p/connectbot/issues/detail?id=459 you can find a patched version of connectbot ssh app with correct support for dock keys (control, tab etc).
I like it very much..
Kumabjorn said:
What: Language switching (Alt+LShift)
Why: For those of us who are multi-lingual switching between languages also affects dictionary and spell check features in applications. Being able to do that with a keyboard switch rather than tapping ths screen and selecting from a menu would be more efficient.
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Spell check? MY transformer doesn't seem to do any spell checking at all when docked. Am I missing a setting? If not I vote for some type of spell check.
I don't know what idiot made the decision to make the right trackpad button to work as "back" but he needs to be fired from his job. The transformer already has atleast 2 back buttons, and probably a few shortcuts for back that I don't know about. Why make the right mouse button also "back"?
The transformer would be a full laptop replacement, if I had a right mouse button like every other computer I've ever owned in my entire life. Do I need to write a letter to my congressman or something to make this happen? Hell, I'd be willing to learn to solder and rewire the keyboard just to make it work (not really, once I learn to solder I'll be moding my electric motorcycle, but that's not the point). Honestly, if someone makes an app to fix this, I will buy it, then send a nice letter to google/asus telling them to offer that person a job for being smarter than one of their current employees.
lol i completely agree. It would be great if the right click was the equvalent of a press and hold. would make everything so much easier
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I don't know what idiot made the decision to make the right trackpad button to work as "back" but he needs to be fired from his job. The transformer already has atleast 2 back buttons, and probably a few shortcuts for back that I don't know about. Why make the right mouse button also "back"?
The transformer would be a full laptop replacement, if I had a right mouse button like every other computer I've ever owned in my entire life. Do I need to write a letter to my congressman or something to make this happen? Hell, I'd be willing to learn to solder and rewire the keyboard just to make it work (not really, once I learn to solder I'll be moding my electric motorcycle, but that's not the point). Honestly, if someone makes an app to fix this, I will buy it, then send a nice letter to google/asus telling them to offer that person a job for being smarter than one of their current employees.
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+1!!!!!!
Don't know if its possible to change that. Kinda unfortunate
seems like every app has a different "hold" duration and not all apps have this feature
so implementation would be inconsistent
Could you exagerate or be any more of an asshole at all? Merely because you do not understand why it was made as a back button instead of *whatever you want it to be* does not give you the right to sit there and type a two paragraph rant about how ASUS is full of idiots. Talk about self-entitlement and impatiance.
It does not function as a "right click" (I don't know how the hell it could) because Android doesn't have a right click. It simply doesn't exist. A longpress is a lot different from a right click, and it isn't possibly/trivial to just map the right click button to be a long press.
hmm... I wonder if it would be possible for 2x or other RDP/vnc clients to "capture" the right-click on the pad and send it as a right-mouse button to windows/linux/etc that actually does make use...
That would be nice rather than me hunting for where the options in windows are without right-click..
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Personally, I like the right button being back button! In Andoid, you use the back button alot. If using the trackpad, it makes perfect sense to have teh right button be a back button - otherwise you'd be reaching up all of the time to press the on-screen or on-keyboard back button.
At least that my opinon! Same if using an external mouse... I use the right button constantly.
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Far more configurations would be great here.
Under the keyboard/input settings where the mouse control is, and the keyboard 'do I want auto capitalisation', having an advanced button that takes you to;
Top Row AndroidControl|Function Keys
Back Button Back|Escape
Right Mouse Back|RightHold
And allow you to select the functionality/remap, without having to mess about with root, would be /really/ useful. We can change the cursor to a pointer/gestures, but can't remap the right click?
And as an aside, I can't find through googling, but does anyone know what the 1 and 6 numbers are highlighted?
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Personally, I like the right button being back button! In Andoid, you use the back button alot. If using the trackpad, it makes perfect sense to have teh right button be a back button - otherwise you'd be reaching up all of the time to press the on-screen or on-keyboard back button.
At least that my opinon! Same if using an external mouse... I use the right button constantly.
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Remote RDP lite does this. Emailed him and he did it. Quite fast too.
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Remote RDP lite does this. Emailed him and he did it. Quite fast too.
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I was about to suggest Remote RDP Lite as well, my problem with that over 2x though is Remote RDP Lite doesn't seem to fit perfectly on my tablet screen while 2x does running at the same resolution. Not to Threadjack, but have you noticed this as well?
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I was about to suggest Remote RDP Lite as well, my problem with that over 2x though is Remote RDP Lite doesn't seem to fit perfectly on my tablet screen while 2x does running at the same resolution. Not to Threadjack, but have you noticed this as well?
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Well I have Remote RDP Enterprise, And in each computer settings, you can change the screen resolution (1280x750) or try fit device (at bottom). Not sure if RDP lite has it. Fits my screen perfect.
Long answer: Seeing how the Transformer is the only tablet with a keyboard dock that has a trackpad, the answer is no. Issue is too small for Google to address it and it would only effect 1 device. Asus probably won't do it either since they didn't intend for the Transformer to run different OS's, such as Ubuntu where a right click would be necessary.
Simple and sweet answer: No, if you don't like it, buy a laptop
EDIT: After reading your original post again, you're the idiot. Why would a touch screen operation system need a right click? Android's right click is the long press. Asus decided to make a nice keyboard dock but like I said earlier, it was made for Android, not Ubuntu/Windows/etc.
FTR if you actually use a mouse plugged into the dock the middle mouse button is the Menu key. I agree with the back button being the right click. I use primary (left click), back and menu keys a lot more than I use long press [even without a mouse]
I may be an idiot, but i use "long press" often enough that it would be exceptionally useful to have a button on the trackpad that has the same function. Far more useful than another back button. Also when useing the trackpad/mouse, "long click" is really slow. Having an equivalent "right click" button would also make Android a more competitive operating system. Instead of having a laptop and a tablet, i can have tablet that transforms into a laptop. I'm pretty sure that was Asus's original idea, hence the name "transformer." Also, It's intuitive, a right button brings up additional options, like "back." It's how it works on every other computer.
actually, the right click button is always a back button in android. I have run android in an emulator before and right click was the back button (this was an eclair build as well). I think it's been in there for so long that it would be harder to fix than you would think. And, as mentioned before, the long press on items is inconsistent in different apps. Sure, it would be usefull for newbies to the transformer (my sister wanted to try it out and told me that the browser kept going back a page whenever she wanted to right click on a link to open it in another tab) but I am personally used to it when using an external mouse
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Remote RDP lite does this. Emailed him and he did it. Quite fast too.
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Very Nice! Thanks for pointing out Remote RDP lite. I also manually typed in a resolution of 1280x753 and it fits the transformer screen perfectly.
In addition to using the right-click as a right-click on the windows RDP, it also tracks your mouse cursor as you move it, not just when you click, so mouse-overs Work!!! Very Nice!
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I may be an idiot, but i use "long press" often enough that it would be exceptionally useful to have a button on the trackpad that has the same function. Far more useful than another back button. Also when useing the trackpad/mouse, "long click" is really slow. Having an equivalent "right click" button would also make Android a more competitive operating system. Instead of having a laptop and a tablet, i can have tablet that transforms into a laptop. I'm pretty sure that was Asus's original idea, hence the name "transformer." Also, It's intuitive, a right button brings up additional options, like "back." It's how it works on every other computer.
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The Transformer isn't every other computer now is it? Stop looking at it as a laptop replacement, that's not what it's meant for. Tablets are extensions of your phone.
Yes it's called the Transformer because of the dock, but it transforms into an ANDROID laptop, not another OS. You really think Asus is gonna spend time hardcoding a right click into a OS that is pretty much based around the long press?
Having a right click button doesn't make Android any more competitive than it already is. You really think someone is going to say "Oh this has a right click but that has a nice flashly OS and it's made by Apple!!!" If you really think a right click is going to be a deciding factor for purchasing a tablet, you are just ....
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Having a right click button doesn't make Android any more competitive than it already is. You really think someone is going to say "Oh this has a right click but that has a nice flashly OS and it's made by Apple!!!"
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Watch as apple comes out with a dock for their tablet saying "It's magic!! When I plug in the dock it becomes a computer complete with right mouse button support."
You show me a tablet with dock that will function just like a netbook/laptop and doesn't have Windows or Apple on it, and I'll definitely give it a try. If it works well, I'll buy it.
The transformer is the number one selling Android tablet right now, and I'm pretty sure it's not because of the tablet. It's probably because of the full keyboard with track pad. I take that as a pretty clear sign that people are expecting more than just an extension of their phone. They are looking for a tablet that can do more.
Tablet's are now competing with netbooks, and soon with laptops. There are plenty of threads here about people wanting to use their transformer for school, business, and work. To do these things require functionality. Functionality requires input options that are easy to use. Currently, for anything other movies, music and games, the transformer is a bit of a pain to use. Even browsing the internet isn't that great. Sure it can do these things, but not gracefully.
Google needs to step up their game. If they didn't plan to compete with laptops/netbooks, then I'm wrong. But I have a feeling this Android thing is going to go way past phones and extensions of phones, and Google was planning that. These recent updates of adding support for multiple SD cards and screen scaling after the hardware comes out is crap. Think ahead Goggle, and build your OS for the hardware that will come out next year, not what was released last month.
Don't defend Google because it's difficult to change their software. Challenge them to make the difficult changes now, so that when we buy new hardware next year, we don't have to wait for updates to make it functional and user friendly.
I think Asus or someone else from their company said that when google android 4.0 comes out they will port it to the tf and of course their future tablets.. so i hope android 4.0 will bring the big changes we expect..
I didn't know that it would've been an issue of the inability of an OS, I'm using a Prime and there is a thread in the forums that gives the ability to remap each individual keys of the dock. So I had a thought that wouldn't it be possible to map the right click button to the command 'bring up context menu' just like how long pressing brings up the context menu