This thread is a starting point for Galaxy Note 3 owners.
So, well, let's get started.
What is my phone called in these forums?
International Variant - Snapdragon Processor - Quad Core (Unless you know otherwise, this is the one you most probably have)
SM-N9005
hltexx
hlte
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International Variant - Exynos Processor - Octa Core (Launched in markets where 4G is not very prevalent)
SM-N900
SM-N9000
ha3g
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Carrier Variant - Snapdragon Processor
hltetmo - SM-N900T - T-Mobile US
hltespr - SM-N900P - Sprint
hlteusc - SM-N900R4 - US Cellular
hltecan/hlteub - SM-N900W8 - Canada
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NOTE- If you bought your device from Europe or the American continent, it might be region locked. This would typically be depicted by a sticker on the side of the box that your device came in. This means that you cannot use it in another region.
Samsung claims that this restriction is lifted after you use the device in the home region for 5 minutes worth of calling, but many users have complained that this did not work.
My shiny new phone came with Android 4.3 but the moment I booted it up, it wanted to update itself.
In mid January, Kitkat (Android 4.4.2) was released for the Galaxy Note 3. If you update your phone, you will probably get to this version.
Should you upgrade to Kitkat?
The only reason to not upgrade your phone would be if you want to root you phone while keeping your knox warranty intact. (We will come to these terms in a minute).
If you don't want to root your phone, or you don't care about the knox warranty, there is no harm in upgrading.
The upgrade brings with it some noticeable improvement in speed and slightly improved multi-window and recoloured status bar icons. If there were any other visible changes, I have forgotten.
What is root?
Root is basically an administrator user in linux environment.
Cool. What does it have to do with my phone?
Hey, no need to get snarky.
Android is basically a Java Interface running on top of a linux environment.
So rooting your device gives you unparalleled access on your device.
You get to modify the system files, play with the CPU speed and the lot.
A million different ways to screw up your phone, basically.
What is KNOX?
KNOX is a proprietary software developed by Samsung. It was released with the Note 3 and even backported to other Samsung devices.
It allows you to run a separate environment for some particular apps on your phone. This adds a layer of security as it allows you to keep your sensitive data in a separate environment.
If you tamper with the phone's OS files (by rooting and such), the bootloader marks your Knox Warranty to be void.
This can also be used by Samsung to deny you warranty.
Once your KNOX is tripped, there is absolutely no way to go back.
How do I root my phone?
There are two ways.
Root De La Vega - This allows you to root without tripping your knox. But it doesn't work on newer firmwares. Visit the link to get more details.
CF-Auto-Root - Works on all devices and all firmwares but trips the knox.
There are a couple more methods of obtaining root, namely Klingo and vRoot, but they are both under suspicion of being malware designed to steal your personal data.
Which is the best ROM for this phone?
Asking such questions. Shame on you.
If there is anything else that you think should be added here, let me know.
First of all, it ships with 4.3, not 4.2.2. Next, there are other root options, like Kingo root. Where you talk about what the phones are called on these forums, you forgot a major distinction: quad-core versus octa-core. Also, it's extremely misleading to say that those are the only reasons not to upgrade to 4.4. Haven't you seen all that drama about apps not being able to access the SD card?!
Please edit this information in quickly. I don't want to see this well-intentioned post doing more harm than good.
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The only significant drawback of KitKat on N9005 - no call recording program works without root.
rossiza said:
The only significant drawback of KitKat on N9005 - no call recording program works without root.
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So media players not being able to access media files on the SD card is not a "significant issue?!"
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CZroe said:
So media players not being able to access media files on the SD card is not a "significant issue?!"
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I think no, because the developers app just need to update their app to KK to access SD card again...
But that call recorder problem... I didn't know about that. And I didn't like it too. You never know when you need to record a carrier, boss or even family call to proof something.
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I think no, because the developers app just need to update their app to KK to access SD card again...
But that call recorder problem... I didn't know about that. And I didn't like it too. You never know when you need to record a carrier, boss or even family call to proof something.
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Even when they do, they can only access their own data on the SD cards. If I have four media players then I need four DUPLICATE media libraries on my card, which is ridiculous. Actually, they can access it in read-only, which means you need a file manager to create the shared directory and then... OOPS! There's no way to manage the media and make a directory and move them together without a PC because AOSP and stock Android do not have system app file managers. This is a MAJOR oversight.
My last phone was an Xperia with barely any internal storage. When my Amazon MP3 app downloads my purchased albums, Google Play Music can't find or play it because it wasn't included as a system app on my Xperia phone. Furthermore, there is no stock file manager on Timescape. Have you ever tried to use the one included with TouchWiz?! It's laughable! They actually broke functionality with ICS that they STILL haven't fixed (no way to make home screen shortcuts to folders)!
KitKat's problems run a lot deeper than no call recording without root, which was something you were not supposed to be able to do in the first place.
Few people use or expect call recording. Almost everyone with a phone has video and audio players, especially those with a large external SD card.
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Another incorrect piece of info:
NOTE- If you bought your device from Europe or the American continent, it might be region locked. This would typically be depicted by a sticker on the side of the box that your device came in. This means that you cannot use it in another country.
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You can use it in another country without issue... So long as that country is part of the region your phone is meant for!
You can use a German Note 3 in France without any fear of region lock issues. Just don't try to use it in the US.
Alright, OP: if we are going to make this thread work, we've got a lot of editing to do.
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CZroe said:
So media players not being able to access media files on the SD card is not a "significant issue?!"
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I am on kitkat on my N9005 stock and unrooted, i never had this issue. Just took my SD card off my 9100 and plugged it in and i was playing all my songs/vids off my SD all the way from shipped 4.3 to kitkat...
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I am on kitkat on my N9005 stock and unrooted, i never had this issue. Just took my SD card off my 9100 and plugged it in and i was playing all my songs/vids off my SD all the way from shipped 4.3 to kitkat...
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Like I said, it works with existing files as read-only but doesn't work for cloud downloads. For example, Google Play Music and Amazon MP3 can't share downloaded media libraries unless one is a system app. They can share what's already on the card but they can only download to their protected folders which the other app can't see/access.
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First of all, it ships with 4.3, not 4.2.2. Next, there are other root options, like Kingo root. Where you talk about what the phone's are called on these forums, you forgot a major distinction: quad-core versus octa-core. Also, it's extremely misleading to say that those are the only reasons not to upgrade to 4.4. Haven't you seen all that drama about apps not being able to access the SD card?!
Please edit this information in quickly. As it stands, I think this post is doing more harm than good.
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Updated the CPU cores part, the root part (Though Klingo and vroot are still banned from XDA for being malware)
The SD card issue was sorted in the OTA updates of Kitkat.
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Alright, OP: if we are going to make this thread work, we've got a lot of editing to do.
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Corrected.
The combination of KNOX, Kitkat 4.4.2 Symmy negative features, the apparent region-lock issue not resolved and the inability to revert back to 4.3 is a pretty big reason to look for another brand, anybody agree? What do I need a Ferrari for if the speed limit is 50 Km/h ?
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The combination of KNOX, Kitkat 4.4.2 Symmy negative features, the apparent region-lock issue not resolved and the inability to revert back to 4.3 is a pretty big reason to look for another brand, anybody agree? What do I need a Ferrari for if the speed limit is 50 Km/h ?
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Switching to another brand won't help reverting to 4.3 with Sony or LG is the same thing I know cause I own both of those phones along with my note 3
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Why isn't anybody discussing about this and future prospectives? OK maybe there's nothing to talk about before the actual release but maybe we can hope for a leak?
Personally I CANNOT WAIT for the release so that I can turn my slow touchwiz ROM to pure android with everything working right away done by the amazing Google's coders
I bought the S4 last minute just for this reason!
From what I understand we would only need to flash a different modem to get it working on other variants and international version right?
no one really knows anything about it until the device is released - not a huge amount to talk about.
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I really hope the firmware from the Google Edition is flashable on my i9505. Would love to have an official pure Google experience on this phone.
Guess my fear is how many features I'll loose on a GE version. Will all the various sensors work? Going to wait and see what the GE looks like 1st.
-Airax
There is a great chance that it would share the same hardware as 9505 , so yes, probably it will be easy portable
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One thing is for sure, we will lose the Move To SD feature MEA introduced as Google doesn't believed in external SD storage.
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Pagnell said:
One thing is for sure, we will lose the Move To SD feature MEA introduced as Google doesn't believed in external SD storage.
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i think all the custom roms will be based on the GE version then and they will bring that feature back FOR SURE!!!
Well if it is an official Google rom, then i can't imagine the sensors not working. Hope they keep the ir port! But i guess we would lose air view, smart stay, split screen etc. The Sammy features just wouldn't work.
Let's just wait & see. I like the new ElGoog strategy though
Anything to beat them crApple lovers
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dashrink said:
Well if it is an official Google rom, then i can't imagine the sensors not working. Hope they keep the ir port! But i guess we would lose air view, smart stay, split screen etc. The Sammy features just wouldn't work.
Let's just wait & see. I like the new ElGoog strategy though
Anything to beat them crApple lovers
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I don't care about the Samsung crap to be honest, and I doubt Google would care to modify the Android framework to make airview work!
The only thing I would like to retain is the thermo/hygro sensor!
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I don't care about the Samsung crap to be honest, and I doubt Google would care to modify the Android framework to make airview work!
The only thing I would like to retain is the thermo/hygro sensor!
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Tbh this Google version is a masterstroke - as an OG SGS [1] owner I grew tired of having to rely on Developers/Custom ROMS for updates & I found that a vast majority of the Samsung features were just bloat/gimmicks that I very rarely used - if at all.
I still don't know if I would buy this Google version as after 2 years I personally wanted something that looked very different & with Samsung keeping the same Home, Back & Menu key (though the shape of the Home button has changed I like the minimalist look without a button) I wanted a complete change.
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Most importantly ...will Google Wallet work on the google edition gs4 using ATT?
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One thing is for sure, we will lose the Move To SD feature MEA introduced as Google doesn't believed in external SD storage.
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I believe Google's stock firmwares aren't as huge as Samsung's editions.
So there might not be a need for moving apps to extsd.
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One thing is for sure, we will lose the Move To SD feature MEA introduced as Google doesn't believed in external SD storage.
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I think it's time they wake up and get with the times.
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Will the AOSP source code from Google be available the day it comes out? June 26.
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Most importantly ...will Google Wallet work on the google edition gs4 using ATT?
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Don't see why not. I would imagine that Wallet will come in the software as standard - it was there in my Nexus⁴ despite it not being usable in UK [officially ]
As for working on ATT I'm not sure as I'm not familiar with the strange shenanigans that go on with US networks - I've heard the demands & stipulations & one of those is that some networks don't allow Wallet as they have their own version similar.
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I just hope that it will be able to port to normal 9505
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This. How likely is that we get proper sources for stable cm / other port of this rom?
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Well if it is an official Google rom, then i can't imagine the sensors not working. Hope they keep the ir port! But i guess we would lose air view, smart stay, split screen etc. The Sammy features just wouldn't work.
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I read somewhere that Air View exists in the Google Android framework as Hover events. Hope we see those start to appear in more non-Samsung apps.
Smart Stay could perhaps exist as an app service as I don't think it would need specialised kernel stuff.
I am worried about the IR support mostly too.
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I would be running CM but I unfortunately love the S-View case too much.
I am curious to see how that will go when Samsung releases the GE. If they don't have a way too support it (whether by an app or otherwise) I feel sorry for the people who will buy the phone thinking it will support the accessories...
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- 14 days
anyway really cool if they can still use the sensors included, I also wonder if they'll post a presentation website like the nexus 4 or they'll just sell it on the Google Store.
For everyone with the S4 google edition. As you know the ability of many apps to be able to write to the sd card was busted with the 4.3 update. Just got off the phone with Samsung and explained the situation and they said they have not received any other calls on this and basically nothing will be done until they receive more calls. So please let them know. their number is 1 800 726 7864 Thank you!
Please dont take it personal but don't be naive
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Please dont take it personal but don't be naive
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Please don't take it personal but don't be a anus
Heard another user using this Samsung number can escalate the issue quicker
You can contact our voice support at 1-888-987-4357, Mon-Fri: 7 AM - 9 PM (CST), Sat: 9 AM - 6 PM (CST).
I will call on Monday and urge others to as well.
In the meantime, it there anyway to go back to stock 4.2.2 on the GT-I9505G? Everything was so good!
http://www.sammobile.com/2013/08/11...-breaks-sd-card-writing-for-apps-heres-a-fix/
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I will call on Monday and urge others to as well.
In the meantime, it there anyway to go back to stock 4.2.2 on the GT-I9505G? Everything was so good!
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If like me you don't want to root no. Some apps that could save to SD card(camera JB+)developers are working on a fix but from what I read today it doesn't sound good. One program that still works is ES File Explorer to move files to SD card. But not the greatest solution. Hopefully Samsung will put out a fix if we make some noise.
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If like me you don't want to root no. Some apps that could save to SD card(camera JB+)developers are working on a fix but from what I read today it doesn't sound good. One program that still works is ES File Explorer to move files to SD card. But not the greatest solution. Hopefully Samsung will put out a fix if we make some noise.
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Dude, just root the phone, install Busybox and use Foldermount to move apps to the sdcard
These threads are funny. Everyone *****es about Samsung's apps, framework, overlay and customizations so they release a phone that's as AOSP as possible. Then people ***** about not having access to Samsung's customizations. OP, Google's adamantly against external storage which is why Nexus devices don't have it. Be lucky the SGS4 GE supports it at all which is a customization to AOSP in itself. There are two SGS4s - pick the one that works for you. Expecting Samsung to continue to add their own features to a phone intentionally kept as "pure" as possible is a bit nuts and goes against why GE edition phones exist in the first place. The post above this one is the answer to your problem. Not spamming Samsung.
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Expecting Samsung to continue to add their own features to a phone intentionally kept as "pure" as possible is a bit nuts and goes against why GE edition phones exist in the first place.
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Uhhh, you're a little misinformed. We can't write to the SD card at all. Not just apps2sd is broken. I don't care about that. I can't create a folder on my SD Card with Solid Explorer without rooting my phone and modifying a system file. That's bull****. The phone is advertised on play.google.com as supporting expandable storage. They need to fix it.
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Uhhh, you're a little misinformed. We can't write to the SD card at all. Not just apps2sd is broken. I don't care about that. I can't create a folder on my SD Card with Solid Explorer without rooting my phone and modifying a system file. That's bull****. The phone is advertised on play.google.com as supporting expandable storage. They need to fix it.
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You're right. I am. But you guys looking for people's help in getting the problem fixed also did a crappy job of explaining it. Let me help.
http://www.ubergizmo.com/2013/08/ga...-android-4-3-breaks-sd-card-writing-for-apps/
Since it's an identified problem that's been picked up by the media you can pretty much assume a fix is in the works. Relying on low-paid third party call center agents as a source of info ("Samsung's not aware of the problem") isn't really that wise as they are typically the last to know about both problems and their solutions.
Hope it gets fixed soon.
I called this morning to the mobile services number. They did ask me for my IMEI number he repeated the issue back to me and he understood it as a SD writing issue not apps to SD issue.
I also requested he put in to Google "4.3 issue with s4 Google edition" and they will see several post explaining the issue.
He said he would forward to technical support.
To those with a GT-I9505G please call even if you do not care about the issue.
Although ES file explorer work to move pics and video to the Ext SD card, this should be fixed for this model since it is about the only pure android OS with an SD card.
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running my i9505g stock rooted on 4.3
ive been getting ALOT of force closes since the the update. unrooted the device/factory reset and still getting alot of FC's
Google Play music
Candy crush
Feedly
flipboard
Facebook
etc etc
almost every app
about to go back to 4.2.2
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running my i9505g stock rooted on 4.3
ive been getting ALOT of force closes since the the update. unrooted the device/factory reset and still getting alot of FC's
Google Play music
Candy crush
Feedly
flipboard
Facebook
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almost every app
about to go back to 4.2.2
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4.2.2 was great! of the apps you mentioned I only use Google Play music and have not had any force closes. The only issue for my is the ext sd card writing bug in which my camera apps, JB+ camera, Procapture and Zoom camera FX cannot save pictures to the ext SD card like they could on 4.2.2!
You people expect an answer by calling samsung? Seriously?
Let me tell you this- they don't care. They got away with your $$$ and don't give a rat's poop.
They release updates and put what they want on it when they feel like it (or a court order forces them).
That's why XDA exists so we won't have to be so reliant on samsung regarding features that we want.
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You people expect an answer by calling samsung? Seriously?
Let me tell you this- they don't care. They got away with your $$$ and don't give a rat's poop.
They release updates and put what they want on it when they feel like it (or a court order forces them).
That's why XDA exists so we won't have to be so reliant on samsung regarding features that we want.
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They apparently listened on the low available space on the S4 and brought back apps to SD for the S4 in a fairly quick update. In the case of the S4 Google Edition, we are taking about one line of code in the platform.xml file. I do expect them to issue a fix. Why wouldn't they if it is a legitimate bug? If not, they may as well stop making the S4 GPe because nobody will buy them if this is not fixed. Many people that buy the s4 GPe want their apps to have write access the ext SD card.
The Samsung email address page is a little tricky to find here it is
https://contactus.samsung.com/custom....jsp?SITE_ID=1
This is what I wrote feel free to use all or part
I have a recently purchased Samsung s4 google edition i9505G from the Google play store. After the 4.3 android update my apps have lost the ability to write to the sd card. This has been documented in many articles on the web.
I have talked to Google and they told me a fix for this would be your responsibility.
Are you aware of this problem? Are you working on a fix? Thanks!
I'm sure this will be patched eventually but I don't think bugging them will make it any quicker lol
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Because the squeaky wheel doesn't get the grease?
Did you see where Google refunded the shipping cost on the Nexus 7 sleeve because of the uproar on the outrageous shipping cost. These companies listen and respond once you let them know. At $649 a pop for this device they should fix this.
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They apparently listened on the low available space on the S4 and brought back apps to SD for the S4 in a fairly quick update. In the case of the S4 Google Edition, we are taking about one line of code in the platform.xml file. I do expect them to issue a fix. Why wouldn't they if it is a legitimate bug? If not, they may as well stop making the S4 GPe because nobody will buy them if this is not fixed. Many people that buy the s4 GPe want their apps to have write access the ext SD card.
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Why not download a tool from the market that allows this ? problem solved
Hello everyone,
I've been hopping around, trying to do some research on this but decided to make a post to confirm and also in hopes of informing others.
Is it true that once rooting the Note 5, we permanently lose Samsung Pay abilities due to tripping the KNOX meter?
Thanks!
Yes, the way Samsung designed Samsung pay is to make it as secure as possible, and unfortunately that includes blocking access on modded devices. Is there a way around this? I belive it would have to involve tricking Knox and I don't think it will be easy.
With that said, the galaxy s6 had a root that didn't trip knox. Even still, had to be extremely careful after that with flashing roms and such but it was b possible.
It's really the only thing that's going to make me think twice about rooting.
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Indeed. I know there are alternatives like PayPal but what about Android Pay? Will we still be able to use that as an alternative, after root?
I dug around the Korean Samsung pay apk that's floating around and I found where it's doing that check, it's just a matter of disabling it and seeing it it works. Also, the string says something to the effect of "this application won't work on rooted devices for security, please unroot your device to use Samsung pay". Notice it says unroot. We'll see what the reality is when we get our hands on the final US apk.
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This is my only concern at this point. While I don't know for sure how much if at all I'll be using Samsung Pay, I don't want to root and trip Knox quite yet so I can at least try it when it's released.
You guys are exactly in my situation. I want root but i think samsung pay might be a nice feature.. speacially sonce it works anywhere eith a card reader, not just tap and go.. only if they swipe only. Some how samsung pay still works... thats awesome
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You guys are exactly in my situation. I want root but i think samsung pay might be a nice feature.. speacially sonce it works anywhere eith a card reader, not just tap and go.. only if they swipe only. Some how samsung pay still works... thats awesome
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It has a magnet that emukayes your cards magnetic strip
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It has a magnet that emukayes your cards magnetic strip
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All i know is thats awsome
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What about if we used root cloak and or Xprivacy on xposed to hide detection of root or somthing? Maybe somone needs to create an app like root cloak that his the detection of it checking if you tripped Knox? Also why is everyone so worried about Samsung Pay Google Wallet allows you to use the app on rooted debices and it does the NFC paying and they send you a physical debit card. You can even send money to people through the app too.
Does Samsung Pay have some extra cool feature that Google Wallet Doesn't? I'm just asking cause I haven't looked into Samsung Pay. In my opinion if a pay system app can't be used on r root I'm not sure if I trust the app because they might think it will be hacked but they need to make it secure on all aspects.
I've been accepted into Samsung Pay beta testing and unfortunately since I've tripped knox this is what happens. I have the apk files for both the app and framework.
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What about if we used root cloak and or Xprivacy on xposed to hide detection of root or somthing? Maybe somone needs to create an app like root cloak that his the detection of it checking if you tripped Knox? Also why is everyone so worried about Samsung Pay Google Wallet allows you to use the app on rooted debices and it does the NFC paying and they send you a physical debit card. You can even send money to people through the app too.
Does Samsung Pay have some extra cool feature that Google Wallet Doesn't? I'm just asking cause I haven't looked into Samsung Pay. In my opinion if a pay system app can't be used on r root I'm not sure if I trust the app because they might think it will be hacked but they need to make it secure on all aspects.
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I agree 1,000%. Google Wallet is accepted at a lot of places and works well while rooted. If I have to part with Samsung Pay to 1) Turn the camera shutter sound off on my phone via Root Explorer...2) Disable a bunch of Samsung bloat I don't use...3) Have the ability to back up my apps and data as well as restore them...4)Customize my phone using XPosed and Wanam on a deodexed stock rom...etc, then it's not even a close trade off. I'm going with root 3 times out of 4.
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Does Samsung Pay have some extra cool feature that Google Wallet Doesn't? I'm just asking cause I haven't looked into Samsung Pay. In my opinion if a pay system app can't be used on r root I'm not sure if I trust the app because they might think it will be hacked but they need to make it secure on all aspects.
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Yes, Samsung Pay uses MST (magnetic secure transmission), aka the tech they acquired from LoopPay. This allows you to use your phone to pay at terminals, even if they don't have NFC. It'll emulate the magnetic field created when you physically swipe your card. So, basically it'll work in most places that Google Wallet (or Apple Pay) won't.
Sure, you can just use the Google Wallet card, but if you have it connected to multiple accounts, it's not always easy to remember which one is set as default or to change on the fly the one you want to use. At least with Samsung Pay & the Wallet app, I can choose my card on the fly.
I'm in the beta and raring to go. Sadly my BoA debit card was compromised earlier in the week and so I have to wait for the new one to arrive before I can test.
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I've been accepted into Samsung Pay beta testing and unfortunately since I've tripped knox this is what happens. I have the apk files for both the app and framework.
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Did you try odin back to stock and activating Samsung Pay? If not, can you try it out and let us know the results?
I got into Samsung Pay today but too sick to go try it out somewhere.
RMXO said:
Did you try odin back to stock and activating Samsung Pay? If not, can you try it out and let us know the results?
I got into Samsung Pay today but too sick to go try it out somewhere.
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Any update? Did you ever try it?
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LaRosa217 said:
Yes, Samsung Pay uses MST (magnetic secure transmission), aka the tech they acquired from LoopPay. This allows you to use your phone to pay at terminals, even if they don't have NFC. It'll emulate the magnetic field created when you physically swipe your card. So, basically it'll work in most places that Google Wallet (or Apple Pay) won't.
Sure, you can just use the Google Wallet card, but if you have it connected to multiple accounts, it's not always easy to remember which one is set as default or to change on the fly the one you want to use. At least with Samsung Pay & the Wallet app, I can choose my card on the fly.
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So I too have been accepted to the beta for Samsung pay. The only issue is I don't have any qualifying debit or credit cards to add because they don't have that many the day except at this time which is kind of dumb. But you spoke of LoopPay and I had also read that Samsung had acquired that or something like that so I checked in Google Play and sure enough LoopPay is still there so I thought hey if they have this cool feature where you can just use existing card readers and phone acts as a magnetic strip and seeing how the new Samsung phones have a feature built in and that it's possible that it works if you're rooted or if it doesn't it probably just checks for root and in theory you could just use root cloak to hide your route for the app so I thought why not download LoopPay.
So I downloaded Lupe installed it I'm verified my information but then when I go to add cards it says you currently don't have a connecting device to add a card because with LoopPay it requires you to buy a fob that plugs in to where the 3.5 mm or you can also use a card reader in the 3.5 mm which costs around 40 or 50 bucks. If the LoopPay hardware is built into our devices why does it ask me to have these add ons hooked into the 3.5 mm? Why would they do this? that seems pretty stupid if you ask me.
Maybe they can update LoopPay to not have to have the additional hardware that you need to buy. As far as what I've been saying about the app there's no information in Google Play saying that they are emerging over the Samsung pay for that the apps closing but I could be or they just haven't released anything yet. But it would be kind of a stupid move to murder / to Samsung pay for everyone because not everybody has a Samsung device and won't be able to use samsung pay so maybe that's why is not changing or merging.
travisw0204 said:
I agree 1,000%. Google Wallet is accepted at a lot of places and works well while rooted. If I have to part with Samsung Pay to 1) Turn the camera shutter sound off on my phone via Root Explorer...2) Disable a bunch of Samsung bloat I don't use...3) Have the ability to back up my apps and data as well as restore them...4)Customize my phone using XPosed and Wanam on a deodexed stock rom...etc, then it's not even a close trade off. I'm going with root 3 times out of 4.
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Just wanted to give you a heads up that you can disable the camera shutter sound even if your bone stock or rooted just by going into the camera settings scrolling to the bottom and tapping the disable shutter sound button. Atleast Its def been in my camera app since the day I purchased my phone. Any who just wanted to point that out. Thanks
veritasaequita said:
Just wanted to give you a heads up that you can disable the camera shutter sound even if your bone stock or rooted just by going into the camera settings scrolling to the bottom and tapping the disable shutter sound button. Atleast Its def been in my camera app since the day I purchased my phone. Any who just wanted to point that out. Thanks
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I definitely don't have it. Its all good though. I have the Sprint variant of the phone.
travisw0204 said:
I definitely don't have it. Its all good though. I have the Sprint variant of the phone.
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Oh that makes sense, bring your Sprint device into a T-Mobile thread and complain
On a serious note, it seems like Sprint takes out quite a few features, kinda sucks. A simple feature for muting the shutter sound? Why remove?
leo9891 said:
Oh that makes sense, bring your Sprint device into a T-Mobile thread and complain [emoji14]
On a serious note, it seems like Sprint takes out quite a few features, kinda sucks. A simple feature for muting the shutter sound? Why remove?
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Actually I was just speaking in general as far as people justifying why they root. Its pretty universal as far as what you can and can't do. ?
I actually haven't owned a Samsung device where you could turn the shutter sound off for Sprint. The last one I could was the HTC EVO LTE. Its an easy fix once rooted though. My Gear 2 had no shutter sound option either. I had to root it in order to turn it off. Its something about privacy or something like that. I can easily turn the volume on my Ringer to silent and it will remedy that problem.
This guy got me all excited like some big rooting exploit was found :crying:. Since being dumb and updating my phone in mid-summer to 5.0.2, I've been waiting and waiting and waiting for a chance to root my phone. Unfortunately, Verizon ignores the FCC's ruling that they can't disallow the user from doing what they want with their device. Should I keep waiting for someone to find an exploit or should I just give up my dream?
Here's my phone stats just in case someone knows of a way:
Model: SM-G920V
Version: 5.0.2
Kernel Version: 3.10.61
Build ID: LRX22G.G920VVRU2AOF1
Just update your missing out on wifi calling this phone won't be rooted
Does Marshmallow give us a chance?
Taking a different angle, is there a greater or lesser chance of having our phone rooted once Marshmallow is available? Will the newer OS introduce exploits that can affect root? Thanks for any insight you smarter folks can provide
I personally updated to 5.1.1 in the last 4 months, but in all honesty I didn't really utilize root very much, it was more of a play thing for me. I was rooted on all my previous devices though in the last 5 years, so it's not super easy for me to simply drop root on a whim.
I know some people use tethering as they still have unlimited data, which my buddy has a unrooted device and uses FoxFi for, which still works unrooted.
I have to say though that 5.1.1 runs much better than any of the previous rooted roms. I really like the wifi calling because the signal in my apartment isn't too hot (1 bar of 4G) and thus the phone doesn't eat battery at home like it used to. The OS feels a lot more responsive (though the sluggishness is not fully fixed it's much better) and overall it's just a better experience at the moment.
If you need to turn off apps you still can for the most part. There aren't too many you can't disable.
Who knows, maybe once we get Marshmallow there will be a new hole and then we can have the best of both worlds. Here's to hoping.
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matt1733 said:
Just update your missing out on wifi calling this phone won't be rooted
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Why wifi calling? Whats the point of it, really?
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aceof89 said:
Taking a different angle, is there a greater or lesser chance of having our phone rooted once Marshmallow is available? Will the newer OS introduce exploits that can affect root? Thanks for any insight you smarter folks can provide
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It will likely be harder to root. There have been significant changes to 6.0.* to improve "security". I wouldn't really expect root on this device to be widely available.
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Why wifi calling? Whats the point of it, really?
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It will likely be harder to root. There have been significant changes to 6.0.* to improve "security". I wouldn't really expect root on this device to be widely available.
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WiFi calling allows you much clearer calling than normal calls. Even more so when talking to another Verizon customer with the same feature. You don't get locked into bad cell towers (like the places I go) and allows you to VPN where needed - even your calls. It seems like a level more of privacy but it might be that "V" might be listening (ala Microsoft Skype). Don't know about that one.
The upgrades also allow you to video chat with another Verizon customer but it works exceptionally poorly and consumes loads of bandwidth that some networks (and 4G/LTE networks) can't handle.
If we don't have an unlocked bootloader by the time 6.0 rolls out I'll probably just flash that and deal with not being rooted.
skeltonh said:
WiFi calling allows you much clearer calling than normal calls. Even more so when talking to another Verizon customer with the same feature. You don't get locked into bad cell towers (like the places I go) and allows you to VPN where needed - even your calls. It seems like a level more of privacy but it might be that "V" might be listening (ala Microsoft Skype). Don't know about that one.
The upgrades also allow you to video chat with another Verizon customer but it works exceptionally poorly and consumes loads of bandwidth that some networks (and 4G/LTE networks) can't handle.
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You're conflating wifi calling (just the ability to call over wifi - which is not available on 5.02) with HD Voice/Video aka Advanced Calling (which is higher quality voice over LTE, which is available on 5.02). Personally, I've seen 0 instances of having voice over wifi kick in except for the time I forced it on by connecting wifi while having the phone in airplane mode. I have a feeling Verizon doesn't activate it unless there's absolutely zero 4g coverage.
So, I just downloaded the latest king root and it looks as though it worked. Installed root checker and titanium Backup. Everything working as expected. Can anyone confirm, or maybe explain to me how this is too good you be true?
Running build OF1
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I'm a little confused. This thread implies that we don't have root or an unlocked bootloader but the Verizon Galaxy s6 forum seems to be full of threads talking about custom ROMs and rooted devices. Can I root my Verizon Galaxy s6 running lollipop or not?
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PrinceCorwin said:
I'm a little confused. This thread implication that we don't have root or an unlocked bootloader get the Verizon Galaxy s6 forum seems to be full of threads talking about custom ROMs and rooted devices. Can I root my Verizon Galaxy s6 running lollipop or not?
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Read those threads carefully, as any custom ROM and root method only works on older Verizon S6, phones that updated cant be rooted or install ROMs. I believe the cutoff was OE2, but i have taken all updates so i quit keeping track, so check other threads to find out for sure.
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Read those threads carefully, as any custom ROM and root method only works on older Verizon S6, phones that updated cant be rooted or install ROMs. I believe the cutoff was OE2, but i have taken all updates so i quit keeping track, so check other threads to find out for sure.
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So there is no way to flash older firmware and root?
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PrinceCorwin said:
So there is no way to flash older firmware and root?
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To the best of my knowledge no but as I mentioned before you are best to research and unless you are certain what you're doing its best to not try.
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So, I just downloaded the latest king root and it looks as though it worked. Installed root checker and titanium Backup. Everything working as expected. Can anyone confirm, or maybe explain to me how this is too good you be true?
Running build OF1
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Hey does King Root trip Knox? I want to try but would like to not risk tripping Knox if I can.
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Hey does King Root trip Knox? I want to try but would like to not risk tripping Knox if I can.
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I don't believe so. Knox still shows 0x0.
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I don't believe so. Knox still shows 0x0.
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Sweet. I'll go ahead and give KingRoot a shot then. Never had a Samsung Phone before. Do I need to unroot before software updates?
Nevermind: I have build OK7. Oh well.
cschuck320 said:
Here's my phone stats just in case someone knows of a way:
Model: SM-G920V
Version: 5.0.2
Kernel Version: 3.10.61
Build ID: LRX22G.G920VVRU2AOF1
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OF1 already patched the rooting exploit.
Don't worry. I was pretty pissed off because I accidentally pressed "Install Now" on my phone even though I was intentionally trying to press Messages on my phone, and my phone became unrootable. I'm just waiting if theres any rooted roms available as staying with OG7
You're going to be waiting a long time
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does any know if s8 or s8+ can be rooted?
are there plans to do this or does samsung now block this?
some tools titanium backup et.al. need root access
Yeah I also want to root it. Plz anyone tell the method.
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Won't be a method until it's released, then I'm certain the devs here will start cracking on it. Give time, the guys here are pretty good at what they do but there's still no guarantee root will be achieved (US models that is).
waninae39 said:
does any know if s8 or s8+ can be rooted?
are there plans to do this or does samsung now block this?
some tools titanium backup et.al. need root access
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Root will happen
(If not I'll be suprised)
Look at s7 edge (exynos) if you want to have the approximate method.
Once twrp is released, I bet around the beginning of Mai, you will be able to install it using Odin (breaks knox, s pay, etc)
From there you'll be able to flash whatever you want (magisk, SuperSU, etc)
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Although I just stumbled over this:
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Finally, the Exynos 8895 also includes what Samsung is calling an “enhanced security sub-system with a separate security processing unit” for use with user authentication, mobile payments, and the like. Based on Samsung’s description this sounds a heck of a lot like Apple’s Secure Enclave, which would be a very welcome development, as in Apple’s case it has made their phones a lot harder to break into.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/11149/...-8895-soc-10nm
yeah, saw on their website that encryption layers are going to be a lot stronger. I still think it'll be cracked. It's a large enough phone. just might take longer than normal.
Even root on Verizon's locked bootloader?
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Yea root not enough for me, also need unlocked bootloader
geez the phones not even out yet. Gotta give the devs time to get there hands on the phone, then time to actually find a way to root it.
Would it be wise to right off the bat unenable automatic downloads of "Security Update: Improves Performance and Battery" in case someone finds a way to Root and they slip in an irreversible Firmware Update?
I bought this phone knowing it's going to be at least a year before at minimum root being achieved
if at all ,so I'm not getting my hopes up at all
This phone might be the straw the breaks the developers backs
I only needed a rooted phone for ARU unchained anyway ,but since the area51 got it to work unrooted
I can afford to wait
The Phone Company said:
Would it be wise to right off the bat unenable automatic downloads of "Security Update: Improves Performance and Battery" in case someone finds a way to Root and they slip in an irreversible Firmware Update?
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i mean yea, kinda, but your not gonna get updates. Personally I am just gonna update my phone, and hopefully they find a way to root. My biggest concern is using samsung pay with my Gear S3, while having my phone rooted. idk if that will be possible so until then im just gonna wait.
Zeal415 said:
i mean yea, kinda, but your not gonna get updates.
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What do you mean? Even my Note 4 after ages waiting for the newest Android (Lollipop and Marshmallow) and nothing else for some suspicious reason recently they have been pushing updates pretty regular with the exact same description I posted, "improves performance and enhances battery life" or some $h!t which from experience these updates definitely do NOT do anything of the sort so it makes you wonder…
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i mean yea, kinda, but your not gonna get updates. Personally I am just gonna update my phone, and hopefully they find a way to root. My biggest concern is using samsung pay with my Gear S3, while having my phone rooted. idk if that will be possible so until then im just gonna wait.
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I use Samsung pay with my gear S3 and it's linked to my rooted 6p.
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What do you mean? Even my Note 4 after ages waiting for the newest Android (Lollipop and Marshmallow) and nothing else for some suspicious reason recently they have been pushing updates pretty regular with the exact same description I posted, "improves performance and enhances battery life" or some $h!t which from experience these updates definitely do NOT do anything of the sort so it makes you wonder…
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I hear you, preference I guess, I just like being up to date. I find that sometimes you are unable to use certain features without the updates.
I have the note 4 myself, and the only update that was a problem with that phone was MM, you could not downgrade from it. I have the AT&T variant so, no root access, and the current temp root that they have listed on the forums is not viable because your only temp rooted on experimental testing firmware.
The main feature you'll be missing out on is Bixby most likely, idk how good it will be or how bad, but you'll be behind that, apparently Bixby is not finished yet, and will not be shipped with the phone, at least not the complete version.
bryce850 said:
I use Samsung pay with my gear S3 and it's linked to my rooted 6p.
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Thanks! Now I know.
Zeal415 said:
The main feature you'll be missing out on is Bixby most likely, idk how good it will be or how bad, but you'll be behind that, apparently Bixby is not finished yet, and will not be shipped with the phone, at least not the complete version.
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Haha, Buzby (as I call it) is the one INTRUSION I do NOT want!! Never asked for it, just forced upon us. This would be great, but I suspect the Phone already has Bixby embedded into it, what with all the hype (publicity for it) about it not functioning at launch I believe is a marketing ploy to bring attention to it. The part that is not being made available at launch is their end, nothing to do with needing an update for it to work (for those who blindly want it).
See, you watch, they will make such a big deal, like a major announcement when it is made to function and they "switch on their Bixby servers" it'll be posted all over the web like when the Note 7 fiasco (supposedly) happened.
Stop for second. And think. THINK. For yourself. That right there is invaluable advice. Bixby is not your friend.
bryce850 said:
I use Samsung pay with my gear S3 and it's linked to my rooted 6p.
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I use it also from my S7 Edge. Works just fine. I have the BT version of the Gear S3 tho. Pay dont work with international(the one on amazon) version of the S3.