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Excuse my complete noobishness, but I have to know.
If I root, but keep the stock ROM (basically, I just want root to get MarketEnabler at this stage) will I still be able to get OTA updates from Google?
The way I understand it, the answer is yes, but I'd like some confirmation from someone who definitely knows more than me.
no.....no.....no.....
Why ? There is any limitation for unlocked devices ? I think problems with ota only for custom rom.
I think so long as your on stock rom you get updates despite su and root. However if it is a major update you will lose root.
Once you root, you won't WANT the OTA update because you will get it from the forums long before it hits your device from Google.
This is a common question asked but its really irrelevant. Just root, the instant the update is released everyone gets it long before Google pushes it to you. Sure you could load a stock ROM and sit there waiting for a week till it pushes meanwhile everyone else just manually grabs it
Hi,
The link below mentions that rooting prevents OTA updates.
businessinsider.com /best-android-security-apps-and-tricks-2011-3#dont-root-your-android-device-8
Is it possible to root the phone and still enable the updates? Are these the same updates as seen under Settings-> About Phone ->System Updates.
word of advice is once development really takes off for this phone it will be just like all the others in regards to ota updates. Never take ota updates as it might break root ability let the devs get the updates and explore them first they will almost alsways make a flashable zip of the updates later with any crap motorola or att might have slid in the update just wait and be patient
ok so how do I disable the OTA updates to prevent them from getting installed?
Also I haven't seen the individual app updates in a few days. They used to appear in the Notification area. Is this coz of rooting the phone?
(Still new to Android)
The phone will not auto install the OTA files. It will ask you to download to ask at a later time. If you download them, it will still ask to install or remind at a later time.
It looks like another Cheesecake leak may be bound to happen soon....I was checking Cheesecake this morning at around 5:30 AM EST (out of my insomnia-wracked sleep cycle) and very briefly saw an update notification for an update on one of the QA servers. For all reading, I am on the AT&T-branded MB865. Due to my stupidity (and frantic excitement), I accidentally declined.
The server the update (very briefly) showed up on was master-qa2.blurdev.com under QA. I would recommend everyone to keep checking frantically over the next couple of days/weeks - it would seem that most leaked updates come from the Dev & QA server groups (the staging servers would appear to be for pushing updates to people in the Motorola Tester Network, though I may be wrong about that).
IT IS IMPORTANT THAT EVERYONE KEEP CHECKING ON CHEESECAKE DAILY!!!
So, if rooted, and we see an update on Cheesecake for ICS v4.0 do we install? Would this be an "official" (so to speak OTA) update to 4.0, or a version created from the official 4.0 update from AT&T? I'm sorta confused...
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So, if rooted, and we see an update on Cheesecake for ICS v4.0 do we install? Would this be an "official" (so to speak OTA) update to 4.0, or a version created from the official 4.0 update from AT&T? I'm sorta confused...
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NNNNNNOOOOO!!!!!
sorry, had to make that clear. Do not install it. It may not be complete and may brick your phone. let it download, then deny it when it asks to install. pull it off the phone and upload it for us to take a look at in my ics work thread, or your own. if you need more help getting it off your phone tell us after you download it. you have to do that quick or it might go away before you get back to it.
lkrasner said:
NNNNNNOOOOO!!!!!
sorry, had to make that clear. Do not install it. It may not be complete and may brick your phone. let it download, then deny it when it asks to install. pull it off the phone and upload it for us to take a look at in my ics work thread, or your own. if you need more help getting it off your phone tell us after you download it. you have to do that quick or it might go away before you get back to it.
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That's what I thought, but just wanted to be uber certain. If I find an update (which with my luck I wouldn't) I'll be sure to pass the update file on to someone with the know how to pick it apart for the rest of us!...
If found, downloaded, it goes to cache folder on sd card, right? Or if not, where would I find it to pull it from?
I've been on cheesecake twice so far today, and it seems links more servers than normal up, thought I got a hit like twice but eventually got the no update needed message.
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hi guys,
i read somewhere in this site that you have to unroot to get the 4.4.1 OTA... does this mean that stock android will never get updated?...or is this update not officially launched by google to the masses but just to the developers? pls im new to android and would like to know what the deal is here.
also i have no problem unrooting but i heard that you will stop getting OTA's and will have to side load all new updates everytime and you will also void your warranty...which im in two minds about
No you dont need to be unrooted to update your android version.
You need to have the stock recovery and rom. The update isnt available for everyone yet
you will get a update notification just wait
ayush88 said:
hi guys,
i read somewhere in this site that you have to unroot to get the 4.4.1 OTA... does this mean that stock android will never get updated?...or is this update not officially launched by google to the masses but just to the developers? pls im new to android and would like to know what the deal is here.
also i have no problem unrooting but i heard that you will stop getting OTA's and will have to side load all new updates everytime and you will also void your warranty...which im in two minds about
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You technically voided your warranty when you rooted. But no big deal.
You can download the update and sideload on your own, or wait for the OTA to come to you. If all you have is root, stock recovery and no system mods it will update on its own.
ayush88 said:
hi guys,
i read somewhere in this site that you have to unroot to get the 4.4.1 OTA... does this mean that stock android will never get updated?...or is this update not officially launched by google to the masses but just to the developers? pls im new to android and would like to know what the deal is here.
also i have no problem unrooting but i heard that you will stop getting OTA's and will have to side load all new updates everytime and you will also void your warranty...which im in two minds about
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Hi do not worry. Those posts really do not apply to you yet. You have a phone that is stock meaning, you bought it and using it. If you keep it like that you never have to worry about update. Google will automatically push the update to your phone by next week. Incidentally the phone is also a developer phone, so people usually play around with it. Root, custom roms, kernels etc. Now for these enthusiasts to get the update, they have to unroot, ,to stock just like your phone. After getting the update they will start messing with it again:laugh: this forum being the developers forum of the Internet is the reason why you are seeing all those posts.
Now you are sitting on a Ferrari phone, using it as a Honda. Some day in the future you will let it run at indy500
ayush88 said:
hi guys,
i read somewhere in this site that you have to unroot to get the 4.4.1 OTA... does this mean that stock android will never get updated?...or is this update not officially launched by google to the masses but just to the developers? pls im new to android and would like to know what the deal is here.
also i have no problem unrooting but i heard that you will stop getting OTA's and will have to side load all new updates everytime and you will also void your warranty...which im in two minds about
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Did you mean to ask "do you need to root to get the 4.4.1 OTA"?? If not, your question doesn't seem to add up....
You definitely do NOT need to root to get the OTA. You can wait for the update to be pushed out, or, if you are impatient, you can sideload using ADB or install from recovery.
If you are rooted, as the other folks explained, you may need to get back to stock before you can install 4.4.1
To add to this, I only rooted my Nexus 5 so I could use BetterBatteryStats and some other monitoring apps. Is there any way to go back from TWRP to stock recovery without wiping data/losing root?
I'm quite happy with everything stock and don't plan on doing any mods.
Also, I sideloaded 4.4.1, but would I have gotten the OTA with TWRP?
mmmmBACON said:
To add to this, I only rooted my Nexus 5 so I could use BetterBatteryStats and some other monitoring apps. Is there any way to go back from TWRP to stock recovery without wiping data/losing root?
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Yes, get the recovery.img from the factory image and: fastboot flash recovery recovery.img. That'll put the stock recovery back on your device
donentl are
thnks alot you guys!!
this really helped me out!
i know i am new to android right now and dont know the ins and outs of this os completely... i really liked a reply which said i am sitting on a ferrarri and using it like a honda..lol...i will run it like a veyron in some time but for now my car comes with a "L" sign and a speed limiter on it
thnks again you guys!
Anyone get this yet?
Someone that gets the update notification AND is rooted.. can you pull the update zip and send it to me?
This needs to be done BEFORE you run the update.
File should be in the /cache partition.
Need to know if root changed.. also wanna see if they blocked the loki exploit. Thx :good:
I ws at work today with no WiFi on, and when I pulled the phone out of my pocket this update had already applied itself. I have knock knock on so that could have allowed my nether regions to authorize the update. Anywho, if I can still safely use lg flash tool to go back to 80010d then I can flash back and see if the server will push 10q again. Nothing in stone but it be nice to have some clue from someone with greater understanding if i can flash back to 10d without creating problems from this new update. The AT&T variants have Carrier IQ installed. Is it possible LG is aware of my flashing back and forth from Cymod to stock and forced the update without a prerequisite consent toast popup?
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I ws at work today with no WiFi on, and when I pulled the phone out of my pocket this update had already applied itself. I have knock knock on so that could have allowed my nether regions to authorize the update. Anywho, if I can still safely use lg flash tool to go back to 80010d then I can flash back and see if the server will push 10q again. Nothing in stone but it be nice to have some clue from someone with greater understanding if i can flash back to 10d without creating problems from this new update. The AT&T variants have Carrier IQ installed. Is it possible LG is aware of my flashing back and forth from Cymod to stock and forced the update without a prerequisite consent toast popup?
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you can certainly downgrade back to 10d using LG Flash without causing issues. That may not ALWAYS be the case with future OTA updates but LG has not yet enforced "anti-rollback"
As for the update being installed.. I have read that you can only delay the update install so many times.. but after a certain amount of time the update is forced. Now I've only read this and can't say from first hand experience.. but maybe thats what happened to you. If that is the case and updates are being forced after a set time.. the only way to get around the update would be to freeze or remove the apk responsible for updates.. not even sure which apk is responsible offhand.
HERE's the link to where I read about the update.
"You can delay the update up to three times for four hours each time. After the fourth delay, the update will automatically get installed on the phone."
The fact that it auto installs at all is worrisome
Thanks for that. The responses in your link indicate they were not asked permission explicitly to apply the update. The fact that this, "paves the way for future updates," worries me that the bootloader has changed. I can confirm the radio has not. I work odd hours. When I'm off in the AM I'll see if i can't warm up LG Flash Tools and revert to 10d from download mode. If so I'll see whats up with root and pulling the update. Considering multiple sources are stating there was no confirmation it gives me a hunch this may have something to do with patching loki exoloit, though I have no emperical evidence of prior statement.
Soooo, if you Google "lg d80010q" there are three entries now. One of which is this
http://csmg.lgmobile.com:9002/csmg/b2c/client/agent_phonesw_notice_list.jsp?country=US
Not being a deepweb database expert I wonder if this might allow the update to be retrieved directly from LG.
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Soooo, if you Google "lg d80010q" there are three entries now. One of which is this
http://csmg.lgmobile.com:9002/csmg/b2c/client/agent_phonesw_notice_list.jsp?country=US
Not being a deepweb database expert I wonder if this might allow the update to be retrieved directly from LG.
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nope just notifies LG service centers whats newly available.
Was running stock. Used LGFlashTool to go back to 10d and 10o and can't get the server to push the update even after trying to check for it from both cellular data and several different IP's while on WiFi. No dice. Software update 10q simply hasn't come to me yet. Out of time and energy at the moment. Sorry.
This update put my phone into a recovery loop and was unusable. I finally got it back to stock and about 48 hours later it just updated itself . There is barely any warning, a box pops up saying its updating and it does it! I dont like this at all ,any update should require some kind of approval from the user . But at least my phone runs great now!
Anyone with new "q" update....can you confirm that root works? I got stuck in bootloop when it installed and ended up restoring nandroid backup before I fixed it so i'm still on "o" for now.
Thanks,
The other afternoon I was busy pecking away at my laptop with my phone on the charger. All of the sudden my phone has the pretty blue sky over a green, grassy field and it's updating! I did not have the device on WiFi and I did not confirm this update. This update is being forced upon us AT&T users without any confirmation. I suppose it's small size and their over confidence in SHA/CRC checks make them think installing an update loaded over a cellular connection is a good idea. Heck, at least this is rumored to be paving the way for some official form of KitKat. The folks that work on this phone and produce such things as Cyanogenmod and other Android Remixes are amazing! I simply like the clip tray, knock-knock, my back LED working and better bench numbers to much to be swayed from stock. That is just my preference. Y'all still rock chicks off socks with the "ROMs"!
COMROM said:
The other afternoon I was busy pecking away at my laptop with my phone on the charger. All of the sudden my phone has the pretty blue sky over a green, grassy field and it's updating! I did not have the device on WiFi and I did not confirm this update. This update is being forced upon us AT&T users without any confirmation. I suppose it's small size and their over confidence in SHA/CRC checks make them think installing an update loaded over a cellular connection is a good idea. Heck, at least this is rumored to be paving the way for some official form of KitKat. The folks that work on this phone and produce such things as Cyanogenmod and other Android Remixes are amazing! I simply like the clip tray, knock-knock, my back LED working and better bench numbers to much to be swayed from stock. That is just my preference. Y'all still rock chicks off socks with the "ROMs"!
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Not sure if this helps at all...
I had this update (d80010q) installed and tried to root (for the first time). I was unable to. Superuser was transferred, but did not have root access. Looks like I may have to downgrade before rooting. Is this correct? Thanks!
Can anyone provide tot for the d80010q
Root not working.
I can attest to not being able root my G2 with D80010q on it. Hop4efully a fix soon?
lostangelintx said:
I can attest to not being able root my G2 with D80010q on it. Hop4efully a fix soon?
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manual iotroot steps for the att 10o update should work just fine.
Hmm
I have Lg G2 (Att) & hours b4 I have reflash'd back 2 stock and applied root about an hour later i got OTA so I click'd 2 recieve OTA it came back sayin Cant download OTA on rooted device if that helps and thatt was almost 24\hrs ago n still runnin smoothly but file was only like 16MB
This is n another thead then I start'd readin here so I thought this should b post's here 2
So will a bigger OTA push current root'd stock rom out n brick my fone¿
autoprime said:
manual iotroot steps for the att 10o update should work just fine.
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Should I change the command to d80010q on the copy / paste command for this phone? or leave it at d80010o?
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Should I change the command to d80010q on the copy / paste command for this phone? or leave it at d80010o?
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d80010o isnt part of the command. it starts at "adb"
I got this update few days ago.. I was rooted on "d", it went to "o" after i postponed it 4 times, and it went to "q" automatically without asking.
I use pattern as my screen lock, at random times, phone will reboot from AT&T logo.. it's very annoying, and i'm not sure what to do about it.. I can go back to "d" but ATT will eventually update it.
Anyone get TWRP to install after root on this? I used FreeGee with mine. Says installed successfully, but TWRP app is nowhere to be found.
Also, Root Browser never asks for SU access, as the other root apps do, and the apps I can supposedly safely remove are not in the /system/app folder. Very confused now.
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Root. Checker and terminal emulater both show me to have root access.
However root explorer doesn't show any of the apps that are supposed to be safe to remove, and it never asks for su permission like the other root apps do.
Also there is no/ system/apps folder. There is only/ system/app. Are these folders hidden somehow?
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Sent from my LG-D800 using xda app-developers app
My phone tried to install this automatically with root the other day, and soft-bricked... Had to delete the files via adb and got back in relatively scot-free. Anyway apparently there is actually a 4.4 update being pushed right now for the d800. I would go for it but I am still rooted and would like to keep my root... And am also waiting for Aospa so I may let it settle before I jump in
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