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Mobile Dual booting - Android/WinXP

This is the first time I have seen something like this. The mobile phone can run both Android AND winXP. Think of all the possibilities! Hopefully, we can see a version of this for our G1's in the near future. Too bad there hasnt been much news on this lately.
video of VMware seen here.

That is for running android on a computer. They just mention this method can be used to install WinXP, Ubuntu, Linux, etc on a computer. Then they mention using a Virtual Machine running both Windows CE and Android on a mobile phone. Windows CE is not WindowsXP.
That's neat but if you already have Android on your phone, why have Windows CE also? I thought the openness for Android was the "bees knees".

Kinda speechless. The words that comes to mind are "Why God, Why?!"

Interesting...
Even though I can't see it happening, unless you VNC onto a WinXP remote PC (which isn't dual-booting), I would -still- install WinXP behind Android, just to see what it is like.
Question: if ARM support was ever hacked into XP, couldn't we use a Debian-type solution, using VNC, to get access?

That's neat but if you already have Android on your phone, why have Windows CE also? I thought the openness for Android was the "bees knees".
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opps my bad, its not winxp. Nonetheless, there still is alot of potential.
You are right, the openness of Android is one of it's the selling point, but if you can intregrate decades of already made and proven software into your phone system, why not? There will be no need for any porting of your favorite non-main stream software.

Maybe this is off point n im sorry but i can't wait for Android which really is going to be called Chrome OS to come to lap tops/net books so i can just give my life to Google already. Honestly i've grown tired of Microsoft except for the 360. However i see maybe 10-15 years down the lime people accusing Google of pulling a Microsoft when it comes to things But like my sig says, LONG LIVE GOOGLE!!!

imbonez9 said:
Maybe this is off point n im sorry but i can't wait for Android which really is going to be called Chrome OS to come to lap tops/net books so i can just give my life to Google already. Honestly i've grown tired of Microsoft except for the 360. However i see maybe 10-15 years down the lime people accusing Google of pulling a Microsoft when it comes to things But like my sig says, LONG LIVE GOOGLE!!!
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Actually chrome os is not Android. They may be similar being that they are both linux based but they are not the same. Android OS is being aimed at netbooks which should be hitting shelves before the end of the year, but Chrome OS is being made for all types of PC's.
"Android is first and foremost a smartphone operating system, found on products such as the new MyTouch, the older G1, and others scattered around the world. But companies such as Acer and Asus are planning to put Android on Netbooks later this year, and several others are rumored to be following suit.
Chrome OS, however, is supposedly going to arrive on Netbooks first when it's scheduled to be ready in the second half of 2010. So how should companies thinking about alternatives to Windows on Netbooks navigate about Google's operating system strategy?
Google's blog post announcing Chrome OS acknowledged the overlap. "Android was designed from the beginning to work across a variety of devices from phones to set-top boxes to Netbooks. Google Chrome OS is being created for people who spend most of their time on the Web, and is being designed to power computers ranging from small Netbooks to full-size desktop systems.""
-CNET

shaolinx said:
This is the first time I have seen something like this. The mobile phone can run both Android AND winXP. Think of all the possibilities! Hopefully, we can see a version of this for our G1's in the near future. Too bad there hasnt been much news on this lately.
video of VMware seen here.
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You should check out our thread under the Vogue section. We are able to boot into WinMo then from there boot into a modified Android Kernal. I know we dont have the cool hardware like you guys do but we have the option of flipping back and forth if need be.

tallnerd1985 said:
You should check out our thread under the Vogue section. We are able to boot into WinMo then from there boot into a modified Android Kernal. I know we dont have the cool hardware like you guys do but we have the option of flipping back and forth if need be.
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Interesting, but can you switch to android?
Actually chrome os is not Android. They may be similar being that they are both linux based but they are not the same. Android OS is being aimed at netbooks which should be hitting shelves before the end of the year, but Chrome OS is being made for all types of PC's.
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I don't think the Chrome will become the next big thing. The primary use is for netbooks, which are slow and have limited functionality. People want to be able to do more then just surf the web on their computers. AND the big question that arises: if everything was browser based, what if you didnt have access to the net? ? Personally, I like the idea of the Android better on PCs and netbooks

Yea I would like to have Android on my pc, hopefully it will be possible when they start releasing it on netbooks. I have no idea what exactly chrome os will be like because I have yet to see any video of it in action.
I was only trying to point out that they are not the same OS and are being aimed at different machines, wether they are being aimed at the right machines I am not so sure. If you read the full article on cnet Android is mentioned of as being designed to run on a wide range of devices from, get this, refrigerators, tv set-top boxes, and I have heard from other articles some car companies are considering using it on the touch screen displays they use. How sweet would it be to program your fridges icemaker from android, hahaha I wonder what it could do when you root it and flash some sweet cyan or jac rom lol.

shaolinx said:
This is the first time I have seen something like this. The mobile phone can run both Android AND winXP. Think of all the possibilities! Hopefully, we can see a version of this for our G1's in the near future. Too bad there hasnt been much news on this lately.
video of VMware seen here.
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That's been around for a while, but hasn't been released, yet.
I wonder what kind of overhead there would be, though... I can't imagine it being very speedy.
tallnerd1985 said:
You should check out our thread under the Vogue section. We are able to boot into WinMo then from there boot into a modified Android Kernal. I know we dont have the cool hardware like you guys do but we have the option of flipping back and forth if need be.
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That's different. What that does is execute the linux kernel and kick WM out of memory. You can't switch back and forth without restarting the phone. (It's available to a lot of phones.) But if we could figure out a similar way to do the same on an Android phone, that would be awesome.

crpercodani said:
Yea I would like to have Android on my pc, hopefully it will be possible when they start releasing it on netbooks. I have no idea what exactly chrome os will be like because I have yet to see any video of it in action.
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You can have the Android on your PC, the steps are in the link on the first post. but right now... its not very practical to use it as an actual OS. Theres too many stuff lacking (flash 10 for example).

Ubuntu to make mobile os version. Phone/tablet

Didn't see this anywhere, if it is sorry. This would be awesome though. I love android but ububtu if done correctly would be awesome.
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/ubuntu-linux-heads-to-smartphones-tablets-and-smart-tvs/9834
(let's hope a couple of trolls don't jack this thread with "let's hope they don't steal from apple like android" or some other android hater rants.)
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I'm interested in this too!

That could be interesting. I'm a long time Ubuntu user but I recently stopped using it due to Gnome 3 / Unity- really not my cup of tea. I remember thinking at the time that it was better suited to smaller screens/tablets, so maybe that was the plan all along

Don't know how close android is to linux, think it uses a linux kernel, but it would be awesome if it could use android apps like I think blackberry's playback.
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I've kinda lost faith in them since the 11.10 update. But maybe they will redeem themselves.
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Of course.
I am already trying to get Ubuntu (console version) running on my already existing mobile phones.
For phones they would need to create a suitable gui and phone apps of course (phone book, dialer, etc.). Could be nice.

Don't see Ubuntu on my smartphone but it'll be awesome to install it on tablet.

This looks awesome! I can't wait to see the final product.

Looks nice, a good mobile Linux build not made by Nokia... Epic. I know many who want a real Linux phone.

Kailkti said:
I've kinda lost faith in them since the 11.10 update. But maybe they will redeem themselves.
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i hate ubuntu 11.10.
and ubuntu would be cool on a phone. they would have to cut a deal with a phone company in order to do it, however. and HTC, samsung, LG... etc... they are already running a linux OS with android. it will be a long time before it is mainstream, and it would not have google supporting it (which would obviously have pros and cons) but i would stick with android simply because it is what i am used to at this point. ubuntu is more of a developer platform and it would basically just be bare bones on a phone. no market, hardly any apps, etc... it wouldn't give me the same experience i would want on a phone.

Kailkti said:
I've kinda lost faith in them since the 11.10 update. But maybe they will redeem themselves.
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You can change unity (the Ugly UI) with other things. XFCE & KDE are booth good choices.
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I hope ubuntu can take the lead of Meego and bring something good for real. Having a real linux with X11 is so practical. At lest for me.

neuTrue said:
You can change unity (the Ugly UI) with other things. XFCE & KDE are booth good choices.
Back to topic:
I hope ubuntu can take the lead of Meego and bring something good for real. Having a real linux with X11 is so practical. At lest for me.
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Oh no i am fine with the ui. Well not so much for it to be the reason I am disappointed. I am disappointed because the update brought many bugs and the system got slower, Atleast for me. It's just not efficient or functional as it should have been.
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And please bring freedom to our phones:
free to install any other operating system / mod
open bootloader of course
no way to brick it by flashing something wrong (simply as you can not brick your computer by installing linux)

Me too that is what open source is about anyway.

Kailkti said:
Oh no i am fine with the ui. Well not so much for it to be the reason I am disappointed. I am disappointed because the update brought many bugs and the system got slower, Atleast for me. It's just not efficient or functional as it should have been.
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I suggest you go with Archlinux or Gentoo (if you got more time) and no more you need to wait for upgrading your distro. Simple update and you are done.

neuTrue said:
I suggest you go with Archlinux or Gentoo (if you got more time) and no more you need to wait for upgrading your distro. Simple update and you are done.
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Thanks for the answer. But I just downgraded back to 11.04 when I experienced 11.10.

Kailkti said:
Thanks for the answer. But I just downgraded back to 11.04 when I experienced 11.10.
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Well, good luck in whatever you pick

bagers said:
And please bring freedom to our phones:
free to install any other operating system / mod
open bootloader of course
no way to brick it by flashing something wrong (simply as you can not brick your computer by installing linux)
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There's so much fail in this post. OS's are dependent on supported hardware, so you'll never have total freedom on OS choice. Bootloaders are always opened up within a month or two of a device being released, private party or otherwise. And yes, you can "brick" your PC if you are a numbskull and improperly load an OS or wipe critical files, it's just much simpler to recover. Phones lack an external keyboard, cd-rom drives, etc, so loading external recovery media or getting to a recovery point is more difficult.
FYI: One reason why carriers don't like users messing with mobile devices is because the majority are on contract extensions, so basically you pay a lowered subsidized cost on the phone in return for your business. This means that they have a vested financial interest in your mobile device. PC's, you buy outright. You don't go under contract to buy a new PC (except for credit card or financing, but they don't care what you buy, you just need to pay back).
As far as Ubuntu mobile, it's a great idea, but it's a pipe dream for at least the next 5 years. There's just too little support and mainstream use for that, and you have Ubuntu backing it, not "household" names like Google, Apple, Microsoft, etc. PC's is a completely different target market than mobile devices.

more recent ubuntu isn't coded for armv6 but runs on armv7.
I read anything from lucid on up is only for armv7 or better.
my armv6 optimus v does a lovely job of running the full desktop armel debian squeeze (or sid) in a chroot; it just needs hardware drivers to straight-up boot debian instead of running it with android at the same time.
it wouldn't be that hard to release it as a mobile os, except for the proprietary drivers on all the different phones and tablets.

i hope we can install it on older WinMo hardware

How "free" is your android?

I bought my first android, a galaxy 3, about a year and a half ago... I was so excited I had a "mobile Linux" in my hand... Being a Linux user for some time I thought that I would have (almost) the same capabilities with my mobile....
After a one week I came down to earth. The only thing in common with Linux in android, is the Linux kernel. Let me explain:
In my pc, I can compile any Linux distro, or kernel, from the source, install it on my hardware, reboot, and have it working just as I want, with all the features I enabled/disabled during the build. When I started thinking of buying an adroid phone, I thought I could do exactly the same. Well, I was mistaken.
It's ok with me now. I discovered how android and Google works. But still something is not right.
The biggest "advantages" android has to offer were, and still are, that it is free (as in free speech, not free beer - thank you Mr. Stallman) and open.
Well IS it?
Google is giving away the source code, thus making it available for anyone to build it. Ok. The real problem is what you can do with the resulting build. In theory, if you flash a generic build to a phone, it should boot up and make calls. And that's it. Forget about GPS, wifi, Bluetooth. If you want to use them, you have to build a kernel with the source code provided by the OEMs and the best part is that the source has to be for the same version you are building. Thus it is almost impossible for an average user to build android for their device, if the OEM won't provide an official update to the version they want to build.
You'll say that the drivers are proprietary and OEMs don't give them. I can understand that, but what I really can't understand is why proprietary blobs for 2.3 won't work with android 4. I mean drivers are the same, aren't they? Yes, the kernels are different BUT hardware remains the same...
You'll say "get a Nexus". Yes, you as right it seems to be the best solution, but nexus one has the same fate as other phones.
A new android build only works in an emulator. I just wish it could work the same on every model. The OEMs don't have to open source drivers, just give us blobs that work with every android version. One other problem with some OEMs is the locked bootloader. I build android for a device, but due to locked bootloader I can't flash it....wait what? It is MY phone you piece of ****!!
So imo android is neither "free", nor "open". Where is freedom and openess when I can't flash any given device with any given android version? Sorry, but customisability and theming are just not enough.
Google also claims that android comes free of charge. Well, the source is, but the source alone, without being able to use it on a device, is useless. So, in order to have the latest android I have to pay roughly €500-€600 each year... (maybe once in two years if I choose nexus). Only I see a rip-off here? Google should work with OEMs and make generic builds to run on every device, just like Linux. Android is capable of this for sure.
I still like android, and continue to use it. It can't be compared to wp or ios. But I strongly believe that since we paid our devices we should be able to do whatever we want with it.
Thanks for reading guys and girls. These thoughts wee in my head for some time and I wanted to let them out...
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You got point there, but nothing in this world is for free. Everybody needs to make money somehow. And that is the way of Google. I am glad with what is Android capable of and the extras we got from them. Compared to the other OS we can say that we are free

Well its pretty much the most "versatile" CELL OS outthere
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Although OP is right, I consider Andorid much more 'Open' then iOS. Just the sheer number of people developing ROMs, kernels, etc. shows how much easier it is to develop for Android then iOS. How many custom ROMs are there for iOS? The answer is none. So while the separation of versions, different vendors, and different providers may be holding the platform back, nothing is perfect, and from a development perspective, we have to realize that Android id much more 'Free" then iOS.

Jeteroll said:
Although OP is right, I consider Andorid much more 'Open' then iOS. Just the sheer number of people developing ROMs, kernels, etc. shows how much easier it is to develop for Android then iOS. How many custom ROMs are there for iOS? The answer is none. So while the separation of versions, different vendors, and different providers may be holding the platform back, nothing is perfect, and from a development perspective, we have to realize that Android id much more 'Free" then iOS.
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Yes! That's absolutely right. I just wanted to point out that it would be best if we could treat android just like our Linux distros. Oh well, I'd like to believe that the time when we will have a trully open source phone is close...
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Panos_dm said:
Yes! That's absolutely right. I just wanted to point out that it would be best if we could treat android just like our Linux distros. Oh well, I'd like to believe that the time when we will have a trully open source phone is close...
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But what about Android users who never used desktop Linux before?

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But what about Android users who never used desktop Linux before?
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I never said anything about changing the ui or the interaction with the phone. Just expanding its capabilities.
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Android is definitely freeer than say iOS. However that comes at a price. The sheer amount of android devices and versions makes it harder for developers to work with it compared to iOS which is limited to a couple of devices.
It just depends on what you are happy to put up with as a user. Wiht Android you are not restricted to what you can do with the phone, whereas on iOS you are serverely restricted.

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But what about Android users who never used desktop Linux before?
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Looks like its time to put on your learning cap.
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Ubuntu for phones

So, the news spreads fast. The first phone to get it will be GNex. Hoping developers will make me (and many others) happy and let us give it a try...
http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/phone

This raises a question right away in my head: Why? Whats the point?
We already have a working linux-based, open source OS - Android

Luckily, Ubuntu is supported from our HTC One S. So when the Ubuntu's image for Galaxy Nexus will be released, which good developer will take/port it to our phones ? On web people say that will be very easy port/take Ubuntu's Image for Galaxy Nexus to Mobile Phones with 1GB of Ram and Dual Core.

This would be awesome because Ubuntu doesnt give a **** about the Java vm and we could have native apps like wp8 and ios

Gonna follow this thread. Interesting !

Goatshocker said:
This raises a question right away in my head: Why? Whats the point?
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So that you can have a different version for every chipset and phone with incompatible drivers and incomprehensible instructions, just what the Linux community love.
"You want to what? make a phone call? that functionality won't be available until version 10.0.4.9.6.3.1 spangly-sugababe on your chipset."

Goatshocker said:
This raises a question right away in my head: Why? Whats the point?
We already have a working linux-based, open source OS - Android
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I didn't understood the answer above, so here's mine - because Android is far from a pocket PC, in what will Ubuntu turn it in. And for all the people who know why they are here - "curiosity" and experimenting is the right answer.

This looks good for people who don't use many apps.. Which allows the clean interface.. Maybe good for the older crowd.
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sudo apt-get install angry_birds

seozone said:
This looks good for people who don't use many apps.. Which allows the clean interface.. Maybe good for the older crowd.
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Yeah, android started a few years ago with 3000000 apps in the store
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having a full OS is nice, docking it and connecting to a monitor will transform your phone in a Desktop PC but, unfortunatelly, at least for now the system is veeery laggy and they don't have any release plans till 2014, by then Android and iOS will evolve even more and the 'need' for this kind of OS will no longer exist. Just MHO.

wildmaiden said:
sudo apt-get install angry_birds
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The following files are incompatible with Angry Birds and will be uninstalled.
Kernel
File system

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The following files are incompatible with Angry Birds and will be uninstalled.
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Lol I love seeing some people who know Linux. While we giggle at these jokes others are like "huh?" Lol.
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The thing is, unless they plan on only releasing it on x86 devices, the compability will be terrible. So you will have a full desktop OS, with no "easy" way to install programs.
Its the same as Win8 ARM-version. Its not like you can install PC-games on it etc...
I really dont see the point in bringing in another mobile OS at this point. Android and iOS have had years to develop within the communities, and both OS's hosts a huge amount of apps.
The only thing android is missing for being a "laptop replacement", imo, is better multitasking, and ability to run every app in a small window instead of fullscreen (like OverSkreen and AirCalc).
And, of course, a taskbar to quickly change between windows.
Implement those things and I'll throw my laptop out of the window lol.

It will be compatible with both ARM and x86. And if it is using the resources more wisely - then give it to me. I miss many of the PC OS's functions on Android. And if Android one day gets windowed style apps - it will need 16GB or RAM and 24 core CPU and a truck sized battery to feed this.

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And if Android one day gets windowed style apps - it will need 16GB or RAM and 24 core CPU and a truck sized battery to feed this.
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No it wont.
Edit: well obviously if you insist of having 10 million programs open at once like on a PC, then yes.

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It will be compatible with both ARM and x86.
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Ah but which ARM chips? if it's anything like the support for current ARM products it will be only a very small selection of devices and even then getting it to work on a device with this graphics chip and that camera will be a difficult task, but that's for devs to worry about. What joe public will see is every phone with a completely different GUI and no 'standard' between them, which is what manufacturers want, so they can tie us into their own product line as per IOS.
Somebody posted elsewhere that Samsung were going to come up with their own OS, I disagreed but if Linux Mobile becomes a reality I may be proved wrong.

They said that will use even the same drivers as android. Both are linux based. So don't worry. Just wait, if you aare interested.
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Ubuntu will run fine. If it's something you're interested in having then it didn't be a long wait. Rumor was the image for the nexus would be out real soon. So if some good devs still working on the one s wanted to they could get it going in our phones.
I'd like to run Ubuntu on my phone only because I use it on my pc and its so nice and light. Boots fast and is so light weight
Hope we get to taste it real soon!
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I am looking forward to this as well can't wait to run it. I'm a big supporter of the Ubuntu software.
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[DISCUSSION] next OEM OS?

Sorry i got if i got the Title wrong but pretty much what im trying to get at is what is everyone's opinion on what the next OS from a Phone OEM? (HTC LG Samsung) it could have been that Samsung was jealous of Motorola's spotlight when google bought Moto back in (2012 was it? seems like a long time ago) and Samsung decided to make android less "Android" with the Galaxy notePRO 12.1 Launcher. Samsung also made the the new Samsung Gear 2 / neo (note that they dropped the galaxy name) With their own Ti zen OS instead of android like the previous model (there are reports of that new Tizen phone coming out aswell, it could be that they are just trying to try something new). what i'm trying to get at is does anyone else think HTC or LG or Motorola or Lenovo or whoever produces android phones/tablets make Slap android in the face with their own OS? i think this "Could" be the beginning of androids downfall
please Bark at me i want to see everyone's opinion!

To me it looks like Android is the first mobile OS to be so widely used by so many different manufacturers. And the OEM operating systems are the ones that usually fade. So to me, anything is possible. Nokia had Symbian, only one or two phones for other brands were ever made. Each had their own locked in operating system.. Windows mobile was always around but never got anywhere without Nokia and that is probably where it will stay..
Basically, things are different now. I have a feeling this new Samsung OS will be lower end? The only way Android would lose its place I think, is if another OEM independent OS came to challenge it.

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To me it looks like Android is the first mobile OS to be so widely used by so many different manufacturers. And the OEM operating systems are the ones that usually fade. So to me, anything is possible. Nokia had Symbian, only one or two phones for other brands were ever made. Each had their own locked in operating system.. Windows mobile was always around but never got anywhere without Nokia and that is probably where it will stay..
Basically, things are different now. I have a feeling this new Samsung OS will be lower end? The only way Android would lose its place I think, is if another OEM independent OS came to challenge it.
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interesting thought, its obvious that it will take lots of effort to make android lose its place but i was only wanting to see other peoples thought on it, i agree with Tizen OS being low end, its supposed to be able to run android apps like Jolla and the newest blackberry tablet, for now all tizen looks like is a run down version of Touchwiz UX. hopefully nothing special, if its open source? hell yeah im going to get one. i am really interested how XDA is going to take on it.

I highly doubt it would be open source! To most of these companies that are truly focussed on money making that sort of thing is an abomination. Nokia planned to make Symbian open source, unfortunately there werea couple of other companies who had been involved in it's creation who blocked this at the last minute. I have a feeling Samsung might have been one of those companies but I might be wrong.. (I really miss Symbian by the way, nothing could multitask and do hard work like it, not even my S4 mini. And it ran on such low end specs! If it could have been used with today's hardware they would have had dynamite. I believe Nokia were trying to give a gift to their community before their demise and they were halted by greed, now Symbian is gone anyway)
All that said, I really don't think it will be open source, I believe it's true purpose is the opposite of that. Phone manufacturers don't seem to like their buyers actually truly owning their devices for some reason. I would love to try all these things out but Nokia was all I could ever afford, my S4 mini was a gift.

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I highly doubt it would be open source! To most of these companies that are truly focussed on money making that sort of thing is an abomination. Nokia planned to make Symbian open source, unfortunately there werea couple of other companies who had been involved in it's creation who blocked this at the last minute. I have a feeling Samsung might have been one of those companies but I might be wrong.. (I really miss Symbian by the way, nothing could multitask and do hard work like it, not even my S4 mini. And it ran on such low end specs! If it could have been used with today's hardware they would have had dynamite. I believe Nokia were trying to give a gift to their community before their demise and they were halted by greed, now Symbian is gone anyway)
All that said, I really don't think it will be open source, I believe it's true purpose is the opposite of that. Phone manufacturers don't seem to like their buyers actually truly owning their devices for some reason. I would love to try all these things out but Nokia was all I could ever afford, my S4 mini was a gift.
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did a little research https://www.tizen.org/ your saying at last moment tizen will also become closed?

You are right, I was actually talking without really knowing. I had the impression it was a Samsung made OS but I see on the website it is by the 'Linux Foundation', interesting.
My cynical nature thinks they will go closed source upon release, once they have had all the help in the world from the community. But I do not know. If it comes to more devices then just Samsung, maybe there is hope.
Maybe it depends on who ends up with licensing.

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You are right, I was actually talking without really knowing. I had the impression it was a Samsung made OS but I see on the website it is by the 'Linux Foundation', interesting.
My cynical nature thinks they will go closed source upon release, once they have had all the help in the world from the community. But I do not know. If it comes to more devices then just Samsung, maybe there is hope.
Maybe it depends on who ends up with licensing.
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i doubt it would come upon other OEM devices, but so far since its open source and based on Linux, does that mean they are going to try to copy android (samsung can never think up of their own things huh? lots of apple lawsuits.)? if it will stay open source, does that mean we get some kind of control with flashing New OS's? (custom roms) i cant wait for it xD, samsungs old Bada OS was a great start.

It would be a pity if it was a knock off of Android or even resembled the Touchwiz UI. Those law suits were stupid because this is how phones have looked and behaved for years and years.
I would like to see a more pure Linux for mobile phones. There are so many Linux desktop environments that would be great on a phone. Enlightenment, Gnome 3 and of course Ubuntu's own Unity (at least they have the right idea). And there is no reason it shouldn't be able to run the same programs as on desktop Linux, many phones out power older Linux compatible PCs these days.
If Tizen was pure Linux with a completely fresh UI for a phone that has not been done before and completely open to the user, I would make every plan possible to get hold of one. It sounds so much like a dream that I think we will just be disappointed.
We need more open devices around first before we can have more open OSs and choices, as far as I see it.

Phenom2122 said:
It would be a pity if it was a knock off of Android or even resembled the Touchwiz UI. Those law suits were stupid because this is how phones have looked and behaved for years and years.
I would like to see a more pure Linux for mobile phones. There are so many Linux desktop environments that would be great on a phone. Enlightenment, Gnome 3 and of course Ubuntu's own Unity (at least they have the right idea). And there is no reason it shouldn't be able to run the same programs as on desktop Linux, many phones out power older Linux compatible PCs these days.
If Tizen was pure Linux with a completely fresh UI for a phone that has not been done before and completely open to the user, I would make every plan possible to get hold of one. It sounds so much like a dream that I think we will just be disappointed.
We need more open devices around first before we can have more open OSs and choices, as far as I see it.
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Right? im surprised a developer has not started a kick-starter to help with making a Open source Phone with most likely pure linux running atop. Bada OS (samsungs old OS, pretty much what tizen is now) has lots of common areas with touchwiz UI http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bada probably around the Galaxy s2 look though. and they changed from touchwiz on tizen because intel is working with them. cant wait to see how Jolla sailfish and nemo mobile will do.