some videos of its sloweness.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAy9pN-PyXk
http://youtu.be/443g1m2D9Us
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1Qofo_vybg
so slow its painful
Would a custom rom make this any better?
Had a look at those vids, looks to be about average for the stock ROM and is similar to the performance I was getting on stock.
Any of the custom ROMs will help with the sluggishness.
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some videos of its sloweness.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAy9pN-PyXk
http://youtu.be/443g1m2D9Us
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1Qofo_vybg
so slow its painful
Would a custom rom make this any better?
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Uncheck power saving mode, disable all animations at development tools menu
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Flashed a custom rom and things are much better. 100%not worth its 270 price tag
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Samsung puts only 1gb ram and fills it with all kinds of it's own services that use all the ram and bug down the system:
Solution:
-Replace Touchwiz with Go Launcher HD.
-Root device and freeze all Samsung stuff that boot up with the system which you don't need such Samsung hubs(games, news etc), Yahoo services etc. Titanium backup can be of help to freeze.
-uncheck cpu in power savings option.
-reduce or stop animations in developer options.
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Don't forget to freeze Touchwiz after having replaced it with Go launcher HD. This will prevent it from loading again in the background and hugging your memory. See how your device becomes fast
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Dont mind trying that.but im not sure how to freeze things from start up?
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maybe u got defect tab 3 ,try antutu benchmark and see how much u get score?
I had tab 3 7.0 got so slow with only 8800 score, and its got RMA due to auto shut down motherboard,and they give me new tab3, now its score 12000-13000pts,more faster and smooth.
Root it. It is much faster with a custom ROM
Don't use the Facebook app. It's a bloated mess.
Don't use S-Voice. Worthless. Use Google Now. Much better voice search/assistant
Yup it sucks
I was going to start the same thread before I saw yours. The SGT3 is a horrible tablet, cheaply built, slow, antiquated resolution and overpriced. I bought one after my Asus Infinity 700T was stolen after a visit too a library. When I went into the store to buy a new tablet I asked the sales person what he would recommend, I had a budget of 300. He excitedly showed me the Samsung Galaxy Tab 3 10.1, the demo unit unfortunately wan't able to start, an omen I should have realized. I was impressed by the size and weight, the cheap plastic feel was worrying but the latter two plus's were enough for me to pull the trigger. When I got it home, charged it, setup up all of the user credentials, the first thing I noticed was how cartoonishly big everything looked. I did however like the look of the keyboard, so I pushed on and installed all of my favorite apps, I started to notice a lot of lag when installing apps, okay maybe the Play Store just isn't optimized for the x86 CPU, I continued. When the tablet was finished installing, I rebooted, than the nightmare what is Tab 3 started. First I tried surfing with Chrome but when more than 6 tabs are opened, do to the lack of memory you will loose whatever you have typed in one tab after you switch to another. The system is very sluggish, typing with a Logitech Keyboard in QuickOffice, the screen can't keep up with my typing. I can spend all day going through all of my apps and describing to you how slow each one performed but you get the idea, SLOW. I wanted to comment on the screen, the resolution is ridiculously bad for a 300 dollar 2014 tablet, I am actually shocked as to how bad it is. It's bright enough but man, Samsung has gotten so cocky to think that they can shove this crap down our throats. Not to mention how easy it is to scratch, breath on it and it's scratched. I decided to try installing a custom ROM for giggles, I had already decided to return it, wow slim pickings in that arena. The two I found were also really bad, the tablet was a little faster, memory management improved a little, not sure why the developers thought that changing the look of the color scheme for the notifications tab was a good idea, the ROMs did nothing to improve the overall experience though, nothing.
I returned the Tab 3 after only two days of what I would call the worst experience I have ever had with a gadget and bought a Nexus 10. 100x the better machine, it even cost 30 dollars less and has built in HDML. Oh the HDMI, I forgot about the HDMI, Samsung charges 40 dollars for the HDMI cable, it however doesn't charge the Tab 3 when connected and because the battery is so bad you can maybe watch a movie and a half. It also doesn't output 1080P when your in the desktop, just 720P so everything is fuzzy. Stay away from this tablet people, it's bad, expensive and insulting to the consumer.
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Stay away from this tablet people, it's bad, expensive and insulting to the consumer.
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I'd have to heartily disagree with you on that. I've had mine for a few days now and it's everything I expected and then some. Even before I froze a ton of stuff it was lagfree for me. Yeah the resolution kinda blows but it's a tablet. If you want 1080p look at your monitor, 720 is more than fine for a mid-level tablet. As for the Nexus, well I'd have to say the Tab is better but my opinion is jaded because it has a SD Slot, that's a monumental dealbreaker for me when it comes to the Nexus. You talk about it being 2014 well in that case the Nexus should have an SD Slot, that's an archaic thing do by not including one. Not everyone wants to cloud everything. :good:
Regardless, this tablet is more than competent. There is a reason it has a huge community and such great ratings everywhere, it's probably one of the highest quality tablets for its price.
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I'd have to heartily disagree with you on that. I've had mine for a few days now and it's everything I expected and then some. Even before I froze a ton of stuff it was lagfree for me. Yeah the resolution kinda blows but it's a tablet. If you want 1080p look at your monitor, 720 is more than fine for a mid-level tablet. As for the Nexus, well I'd have to say the Tab is better but my opinion is jaded because it has a SD Slot, that's a monumental dealbreaker for me when it comes to the Nexus. You talk about it being 2014 well in that case the Nexus should have an SD Slot, that's an archaic thing do by not including one. Not everyone wants to cloud everything. :good:
Regardless, this tablet is more than competent. There is a reason it has a huge community and such great ratings everywhere, it's probably one of the highest quality tablets for its price.
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There is some things about this tablet that really irks me but I guess I have high hopes for the KK update helping it out. I also agree with you on the SD slot, that is one main reason I did not buy a Nexus. I also must say that I love the IR blaster and the watchon app, its very convenient and I don't need to find my logitech harmony when I'm on my tablet to mess with the tv. I think I got a good tablet for the price I paid, if I had wanted better then I would of been paying $550+. But I am typing this on my laptop with the tab beside me and my Note 2 and a PS Vita,oh and the ipod touch. I think I have enough devices to connect to the internet and the tab fills its roll well.
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I'd have to heartily disagree with you on that. I've had mine for a few days now and it's everything I expected and then some. Even before I froze a ton of stuff it was lagfree for me. Yeah the resolution kinda blows but it's a tablet. If you want 1080p look at your monitor, 720 is more than fine for a mid-level tablet. As for the Nexus, well I'd have to say the Tab is better but my opinion is jaded because it has a SD Slot, that's a monumental dealbreaker for me when it comes to the Nexus. You talk about it being 2014 well in that case the Nexus should have an SD Slot, that's an archaic thing do by not including one. Not everyone wants to cloud everything. :good:
Regardless, this tablet is more than competent. There is a reason it has a huge community and such great ratings everywhere, it's probably one of the highest quality tablets for its price.
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I'm glad your happy with your purchase. The Samsung Tab 3 10.1 when compared with other tablets actually has one of the smallest followings at XDA. Just compare the previous versions forum with the new one, you have 2 custom ROMs versus 20 plus for the Tab 2. Every single review I have read says the same thing, laggy tablet, obsolete the second it came off of the assembly line. The SD card issue doesn't really bother me because I happen to like cloud storage but I understand your need for it. Can you tell me what you like about it, it's just so slow for me, my Motorola Xoom 1 that is 4 years old feels faster. In fact I get higher frame rates in almost every game that I play vs. the Tab 3. What about the problem of scratching, that doesn't bother you or only having 300mb of memory free for apps, the horrible battery life, 50 dollar HDMI cable that doesn't output 1080p desktop nor does it charge the unit while plugged in, oh my gosh the list goes on. I would have spent the extra 100 and gotten a Sony Xperia Z.
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Can you tell me what you like about it, it's just so slow for me, my Motorola Xoom 1 that is 4 years old feels faster. In fact I get higher frame rates in almost every game that I play vs. the Tab 3. What about the problem of scratching, that doesn't bother you or only having 300mb of memory free for apps, the horrible battery life, 50 dollar HDMI cable that doesn't output 1080p desktop nor does it charge the unit while plugged in, oh my gosh the list goes on. I would have spent the extra 100 and gotten a Sony Xperia Z.
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It's much slower than the Nook Tablet which has been given to my mom since I bought the Tab3 and frankly I've never wanted to go back. As far as speed is concerned if I can multi window a HD video and look at Facebook or the internet at the same time I'd consider the device high speed. Seriously, this guy has done very good for me so far and I'm a major techie(Should be evident by my existence on XDA). I don't really play 3D games on my Tab since i leave major gaming for my PC however FPSE(PS1 Emulator) runs like a champ on this tab. Scratching? All LCD screens have been known to be prone to scratching, if that concerns you so much you can get a case and a screen protector, on my old iPod I bought a infinicase and I took that thing EVERYWHERE, dropped it probably once or twice a day and it was never scratched, having a case that puts the screen at a lifted height from the ground guarantees safety unless it hits at an angle which in that case you're boned. If you're referring to key scratching or something then idk, I've never imagined putting my tablet near things that could ruin it. 300mb of free memory for apps? Taking a quick glance at my storage i have almost 10 gigs of free room on my system storage and plenty on my SD Card, after installing probably a dozen or so various applications. 50$ HDMI cable? I'm not surprised, those suckers ain't cheap. Honestly if you wanted to HDMI it to your TV I would've checked online for more information before making the purchase, the fact that it doesn't charge while being plugged into HDMI in no way surprises me, unless you wanted a charger+HDMI in one sorta thing. Once again I don't personally care about 1080p or 720, I can only see the difference on a monitor, on a TV it's serviceable at worst which is more than enough for a tablet hooked up to a TV.
felt like pitching in here to say that the OP didnt mention what size he got - if it was the 7" model, its specs are basically the same as the tab 2 7.0
my tab 3 8.0 was a lot faster than my tab 2 7.0, and a hella lot faster once it was tweaked/OC'd.
agreed with one users comment about the MHL HDMI being poor - the cable i have allows it to charge while it works, but due to the tablet being 16:10, i get black bars on my 16:9 HDTV. the built in movie app corrects this, but it doesnt make sense for it to not be 16:9 in the first place.
What are you running up there..top left corner...pls list out the apps running in the background
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You talk about it being 2014 well in that case the Nexus should have an SD Slot, that's an archaic thing do by not including one. Not everyone wants to cloud everything. :good:
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Gotta totally agree with you there on not wanting to cloud everything, so the good old SD card is a must IMHO.
But horses for courses as they say.
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Forgot to add that I recently purchased a Samsung Galaxy Tab3 and think it's great and a lot nicer to use than my aging ASUS TF101
gonna just sell mine i think and take a £50 loss. I cant stand how slow it is even with a custom rom.
It can't be thaaat slow (under normal circumstances). I mean there must be something defective or something going wrong in the background. I know that benchmarks are not the most ideal way to measure performance but having a Galaxy Tab 2 7.0 for comparison which performs like 8800 on Antutu and Tab 3 10.1 is in the margin of 20000-22000 it's hard to believe that the device is not capable to offer atleast equaly good performance as the Tab 2 7.0 which is rather good (not the best, but not even near to what your Youtube videos show let's say). I plan to buy it brand new for 210 Euros (~289$) and I HIGHLY DOUBT you can find another tablet for that price with the same screen size and not be from a random Chinese brand or a rebranded Chinese product. My advice would be, wait for KitKat update to come out or try CM11 and then redo a review and if you consider it to be still that bad return it or sell it. Also you don't describe on what usage your were doing with it. I plan to get it for my mother just for surfing and stream some Youtube videos and I doubt it's going to be that bad but feel free to prove me wrong.
im getting 13149 score
it gets to 87% then says test is terminated.
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Hey All--I'm considering getting a Xoom off craigslist at a decent price, but I was hoping for some advice first:
What I really care about is having a device that runs well, that the screen is pretty good on, and that has great developer support.
I will most likely run AOKP on whatever I get (it's what I run on my galaxy nexus).
Is this the tablet for me? What are the benefits, and perhaps more importantly, what are the drawbacks that you see to the xoom?
Thanks!
I really hate the screen on this Xoom, my Samsung fascinates screen at half dim is easier to see out side than my Xoom at 100.
I got mine cheap online also and wish I would have just saved a bit more and got a galaxy tab. Prob will be upgrading to galaxy tab 2.
Before I go, I would like to add that this tablet is a pain to hold, I would prefer a screen that is a bit closer to square such as gal tab or ipad, this Xoom is like widescreen, it's also kinda heavy, I do like a bit of weight but without a case on it, the shell on this thing is very slippery.
Id go hold some different devices to make up your mind on if it's worth saving 100-200 bucks on something you intend to enjoy and use often for some time to come.
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My only real complaint is battery life. I get about 8 -10 hours out of it continous use. Other complaint would be the backlight. If you plan on keeping it stock, there are better options. If you plan on rooting and roming it, there is allot of developmental support that will completely transform it. Add in hdmi port and expandable storage via external sd card slot(xoom can accept the sandisk 64gb micro.)
It really matters, what you will be doing with it, and where will you will be using it.. If out doors during day hours allot, check out other options before getting the xoom. Its glare can be bad and the backlight will barely make up for it... out in the sun, just about forget about it. If it will be indoors allot overcast days or in the shade, and/or very media oriented, the xoom is excellent. Someone else will have to comment on gaming.
If you like to use allot of apps, or a windows like experience of multiple apps or screens at once, there is the cornerstone rom(there is a youtube video.)
I personally am very happy with my xoom, I like music and love movies, price aside(xoom verizon lte, no contract) Resolution is good, tegra2 does everything I ask, on the eos nightly rom there are great customizing options. I have no reason at all to look for some thing else.... if i get sick with what I got, I just switch a rom, the only thing that stays the same is the case.
As for weight, yeah its a little heavier and thicker than most, do a couple pushups once in a while, you'll be fine
Same type of performance, but this screen is freaking awesome. So love this guy. Acer used to remind me of low end crap. Not with guy. Best choice I have made in a long time.
Glad to hear your pleased with the device, with demandarin selling Asus so hard over there I'm surprised you made the switch . Hope you enjoy it as much as I do, backing up my blue rays now with bated breath!
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I currently have Prime and thinking about selling to get either this or Asus Infinity. Haven't made up my my mind yet. The biggest turn off for me with A700 is the lack of any upgrade (except screen) over A510.
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Check out the benchmarks I posted in the general section and make your own decision. The information presented there is as unbiased as it gets
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Agree. Absolutely amazing. Finally back at Android again after having some really bad experiences with the prime. Bought an iPad 3. Was impressed by the screen but missed the Android OS. Feel like I'm back home Impressive screen, nice performance. My only gripes:
Screen sensitivity : even at the highest sensitivity setting it fails sometimes to register some taps .... Guess i need to get accustomed to this and tap a little harder. Then again...
Rendering of web pages: in general web pages look awesome, but on pages with a lot of text and/or graphics you see the dynamic rendering of the fonts/graphics to a higher resolution. Sometimes you need to wait before things are readable.
But all in all, a great tablet.
I'm glad to hear you guys are enjoying it. The one concern I had was screen brightness...any issues there to report? I don't really plan to use it outside.
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I'm glad to hear you guys are enjoying it. The one concern I had was screen brightness...any issues there to report? I don't really plan to use it outside.
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The auto-brightness doesn't seem to work terribly well. Seems to put the screen "dimmer" than I personally care for.
I reset it to a static "30%" brightness or so, and it's fine for me now.
I did go out in direct sunlight (beautiful day out), to test screen readability. Cranked up to 75% and was good to go.
Hope this helps.
I am thrilled with the screen of my acer. I have always hated Acer products, and I have lots of tablets. But this tab is freaking great. Real solid build. Cant say enough about the screen. Just overall, the best Tab I have ever had...
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I am thrilled with the screen of my acer. I have always hated Acer products, and I have lots of tablets. But this tab is freaking great. Real solid build. Cant say enough about the screen. Just overall, the best Tab I have ever had...
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Good to hear. I have a 16GB Gtab 10.1 right now and my biggest gripe is the screen resolution and storage. It sounds like this is a bargain at $450.
What about responsiveness?
Lag?
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I had fears of lag too from the YouTube video that was out pre release. While I was syncing the first 12 hours there was some noticeable delay. Especially with app drawer. But 36 hrs in I can say its as snappy as I would expect it to be, especially for 450 and a 10 to 11 hour battery life. Can't beat the performance for the price
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Hows the cameras?
With a good light situation (outside for example) the cam is fine.
Inside pictures seem to be a little grainy.
I'm noticing a lot of lag using ezPDF Reader Pro. I almost considered returning it to Acer until I saw the 25% restocking fee. I've been using an iPad 1 for the last few weeks to view Army regs in PDF format, and the iPad was much quicker at page-turns, etc.
One of the YouTube reviews talked about a possible update from Acer to optimize performance. Pure speculation, I'm sure, but that would be nice. I also heard that the Andriod OS isn't optimized for quad-core processors yet.
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I'm noticing a lot of lag using ezPDF Reader Pro. I almost considered returning it to Acer until I saw the 25% restocking fee. I've been using an iPad 1 for the last few weeks to view Army regs in PDF format, and the iPad was much quicker at page-turns, etc.
One of the YouTube reviews talked about a possible update from Acer to optimize performance. Pure speculation, I'm sure, but that would be nice. I also heard that the Andriod OS isn't optimized for quad-core processors yet.
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If the reviewer got the test unit from Acer, perhaps that was said to avoid upsetting Acer and future test units? Seems the Tegra 3 gpu was not intended for such high res displays, based on benchmarks compared to the A5X. Not seeing how this can be fixed by software, unless the actual data is downsampled to lower the load on the GPU (defeats the purpose of the high res, but would people really notice?).
Hey Guys,
I'm seriously getting into dev work now for a living and therefore I need a tablet - my next app is going to be a tablet only news reader app (think Flipboard, Feedly etc combined and optimized for a tablet).
Was going to go for the Nexus 7 but I find it just too damn small and ugly. Nexus 10 is sold out and expensive and I can get a Note 10 brand new for about £250. Only things I'm worried about is the screen resolution and performance. Read a couple of reports about lag so just wanted people's opinions. Considering the price I can get it for as well would it be a good choice?
And if anyone can point me in the direction of some news apps they use on their Note would be appreciated
I do not feel any problem with resolution, It's enough even for watching movies. Reading is more than a good on this devices. Laging in multiscreen is solved upgrading from ICS to JB so it's not necessary to worry about it. You should not see any lags during reading of course.
I'm satisfied with this devices, but there is a lot of another cheaper solution of course. I can recommend SGN10.1 without doubts.
Well forget the resolution for a minute and go watch HD movie on the note and then tell me how the screen is
Honestly, screen resolution is fine unless you've read stuff / browsed on a nexus 10 or iPad 3/4. As for lag, I have come to the conclusion that certain builds released by samsung have lag while others don't. I personally don't and I'm on Build IMM76D.N8010XWALG4 which is android 4.0.4 (there are other 4.0.4 builds floating around as well).
Either that or you just can't satisfy some people...
Honestly with 2gb of ram I have never experienced lag except when I have a few things open, am downloading and installing apps and want to watch a movie.... What do you expect, even the PC slows down when you have a large amount of processing happening and ram being exhausted...
The resolution should not bother you unless you are one of the people who hovers about 5 inches from the display..
Other than that, the real concern for possible buyers would be the plastic casing. Are you fine with that, or do you really need that aluminium "premium" feel? Having played with various tablets (including the Infinity), I can say I honestly don't care because I'd put it in a case anyway, but if it bothers you, you probably won't be happy with this tablet.
Finally, while this tablet is really good, I think in terms of price and specs, you'd be better off with a Nexus 10 if you don't care about the stylus. You're guaranteed updates more quickly and for longer than if you got this tablet. Really, the biggest strength of this tablet is the stylus and its stylus-based application so if that's not even on your list.. I don't think you really want to get this.. (Although how much cheaper is the Nexus 10 for you? JW)
About the plastic case - From reading posts, most people seem to put their note into a case anyway... Whether its a folder style case, jell case, leather or silicone you'll find that the note is lighter than if you had the metal case....
As for the HD screen, I find the note screen is excellant to watch media on, as was stated previuosly, unless you sit with your face pressed up against the screen you won't really notice the difference. I like that Samsung really got the best out of what they gave and it isn't too bad..
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Hey Guys,
I'm seriously getting into dev work now for a living and therefore I need a tablet - my next app is going to be a tablet only news reader app (think Flipboard, Feedly etc combined and optimized for a tablet).
Was going to go for the Nexus 7 but I find it just too damn small and ugly. Nexus 10 is sold out and expensive and I can get a Note 10 brand new for about £250. Only things I'm worried about is the screen resolution and performance. Read a couple of reports about lag so just wanted people's opinions. Considering the price I can get it for as well would it be a good choice?
And if anyone can point me in the direction of some news apps they use on their Note would be appreciated
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Hello everyone. Right now I have an Acer Iconia A100 7" tablet. I really want a 10" tablet but dont have a lot that I can spend for one. Ive been looking at the Xoom for a little while now since I can find them around the $200 range if Im lucky. The question is, with the Nexus 10 out now, is it still worth it to get a Xoom or would it be better to hold out a few months and save for a Nexus 10?
And if it helps, I would be using the tablet for a little of everything. Internet, music, movies, games and a lot of reading (mostly comics).
I greatly appreciate any info that can be provided.
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Hello everyone. Right now I have an Acer Iconia A100 7" tablet. I really want a 10" tablet but dont have a lot that I can spend for one. Ive been looking at the Xoom for a little while now since I can find them around the $200 range if Im lucky. The question is, with the Nexus 10 out now, is it still worth it to get a Xoom or would it be better to hold out a few months and save for a Nexus 10?
And if it helps, I would be using the tablet for a little of everything. Internet, music, movies, games and a lot of reading (mostly comics).
I greatly appreciate any info that can be provided.
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Well, kinda depends on your needs. Xoom is and has always been a strong tablet, but at two years old, it is starting to show it's age.
Xoom is a versatile, solid, all around tablet, 32 gb with expandable storage, bluetooth, hdmi, and usb. It's weakness's mainly are the backlight, it's heft (for some) and it's age. 720p display, and about impossible to see outside during daylight(sunlight and overcast.) Tegra2 is a good processor but dated and unable to take advantage of all the benefits of newer games demanding the power of a quadcore like the tegra3 ( dead trigger.) Right now it is very minor things we are missing out on. Eventually there may be games we can't play at all. More than likely Jelly bean is the last official update the xoom will get. I can't speak for the developers. If you don't care about latest and greatest, but need something fully functional and good bang for the buck...... xoom is a definite option
Nexus 10 has a great display, true 1080p, and the A15 cortex dual core processor destroys the tegra3 quad core in comparison tests from what I have read. It is the closest any tablet has come to being what the xoom was two years ago. The deal breaker for me is no expandable storage.
Hope this helps
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Thanks for the great info Draxin. You have me some things to think about. I can do without the 1080p and thinking about it I'm not sure that running the newest and greatest games matters. On the other hand viewing outside is kind of a big deal.
Decisions decisions.
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Well, kinda depends on your needs. Xoom is and has always been a strong tablet, but at two years old, it is starting to show it's age.
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Lol, sorry Drex - showing its age? La La La La ... not listening. (covering ears) Any device is relative to it's users needs. Newer is not always better. Bigger, faster, lighter most likely (in some aspects, other areas maybe not). Does it really suit my needs? Probably not. The next best thing, will be replaced by the next best thing the following year. Vicious cycle my friend. Marketing is evil and we consumers are its puppets They can always count on that buyer that must have the newest whatever. We are making these guy rich lol.
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Lol, sorry Drex - showing its age? La La La La ... not listening. (covering ears) Any device is relative to it's users needs. Newer is not always better. Bigger, faster, lighter most likely (in some aspects, other areas maybe not). Does it really suit my needs? Probably not. The next best thing, will be replaced by the next best thing the following year. Vicious cycle my friend. Marketing is evil and we consumers are its puppets They can always count on that buyer that must have the newest whatever. We are making these guy rich lol.
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True. But Johnny Danger isnt looking to sell off a xoom, he wants to know if it is a viable option still in the 10 inch market. So he needs to ask himself what he wants from his new tablet before purchasing. Xoom is a fantastic tablet and easily one of the best purchases I have made, but I made my purchase almost a year ago when it was still running honeycomb stock and developers were porting ICS. I Got to watch it make leaps and bounds in functionality, smoothness, and reaching for the limits of it's potential. Now developers are facing the limitations of the space in the system partition for OS. And it sounds like they can't scrape any extra space from the internal sd or make some available on the ext. sd cause it is locked. So if Johnny Danger wants a solid, hard working tablet that can do anything he wants to do now, and should be able to do most(if not all) tasks in the future, the xoom is a perfect fit, he just needs to be aware that what we have now may be close to as good as he will get over the next two years of ownership(not saying it is bad), just saying don't expect much more from Motorola.
If he wants the latest and greatest games at their full potential, see movies in full resolution get OTA's of newer OS's and have a tablet equipped to get the most out of anything coming down the pike in the next two years, he needs to save up and get the nexus 10, conveniently priced at around the same range the xoom was when it first came out
If you asked 3-4 months ago, well yes.. But now there is no reason to buy a 2 years old device (and was out AOSP) with price ~$300.
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So if Johnny Danger wants a solid, hard working tablet that can do anything he wants to do now, and should be able to do most(if not all) tasks in the future, the xoom is a perfect fit, he just needs to be aware that what we have now may be close to as good as he will get over the next two years of ownership(not saying it is bad), just saying don't expect much more from Motorola.
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True, I fully understand the question. Basically the gist was yes it is still worth getting if it suits his needs no argument.
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If you asked 3-4 months ago, well yes.. But now there is no reason to buy a 2 years old device (and was out AOSP) with price ~$300.
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If you asked 3-4 months ago, well yes.. But now there is no reason to buy a 2 years old device (and was out AOSP) with price ~$300.
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I'm fully happy with xoom and this will be long relationship. I had in my hands asus transformer but truelly i cant see any limitations or u want gaming on it - but its not for it.
Well I went ahead and got a xoom. I bought a used one on Craigslist and feel that I got a good deal. I got 32gb xoom, original box and charger, official Motorola xoom cover, and 2 screen protectors for $150.
I absolutely love it. Everything runs great, including the games I play. My son was watching YouTube videos on it and sometimes it hiccups but that doesn't bother me. The thing that really took me by surprise is the battery life. It lasts so long on a charge. Now I understand why people were so upset with the Acer iconia tab a100 battery life. This is one of the fewer purchases I have no regrets about. Just a fantastic tablet.
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Well I went ahead and got a xoom. I bought a used one on Craigslist and feel that I got a good deal. I got 32gb xoom, original box and charger, official Motorola xoom cover, and 2 screen protectors for $150.
I absolutely love it. Everything runs great, including the games I play. My son was watching YouTube videos on it and sometimes it hiccups but that doesn't bother me. The thing that really took me by surprise is the battery life. It lasts so long on a charge. Now I understand why people were so upset with the Acer iconia tab a100 battery life. This is one of the fewer purchases I have no regrets about. Just a fantastic tablet.
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Good on ya! I really don't think you'll have any regrets, it's still a very speedy tablet and the build quality is unsurpassed.
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Good on ya! I really don't think you'll have any regrets, it's still a very speedy tablet and the build quality is unsurpassed.
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You are not lying about the build quality. This thing feels so well made its incredible.
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Lol, sorry Drex - showing its age? La La La La ... not listening. (covering ears) Any device is relative to it's users needs. Newer is not always better. Bigger, faster, lighter most likely (in some aspects, other areas maybe not). Does it really suit my needs? Probably not. The next best thing, will be replaced by the next best thing the following year. Vicious cycle my friend. Marketing is evil and we consumers are its puppets They can always count on that buyer that must have the newest whatever. We are making these guy rich lol.
Happy New Year! Xoom Xoom-
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You're kidding yourself if you think it has anything to do with marketing. The Xoom has been showing its age for a while. Its great that devs continue to bring us the latest firmware but even they have acknowledge that the Xoom's limits are being pushed.
It is as you said, relative to needs, but I think its also good to think about the future. What will a 2 year old device be able to do a year from now? Two years from now?
I'd say save up honestly and hope for a sale on the N10 (tho it looks like the OP already invested v0v)
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Well I went ahead and got a xoom. I bought a used one on Craigslist and feel that I got a good deal. I got 32gb xoom, original box and charger, official Motorola xoom cover, and 2 screen protectors for $150.
I absolutely love it. Everything runs great, including the games I play. My son was watching YouTube videos on it and sometimes it hiccups but that doesn't bother me. The thing that really took me by surprise is the battery life. It lasts so long on a charge. Now I understand why people were so upset with the Acer iconia tab a100 battery life. This is one of the fewer purchases I have no regrets about. Just a fantastic tablet.
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I just made the same switch today I paid 50 more then you but my girl has n7 I did not want same thing so I just got this but I like it actually have not even rooted
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If you want buttery smooth android goodness, put eos 3 nightly # 155 on your xoom, johnny danger. You'll thank me later
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If you want buttery smooth android goodness, put eos 3 nightly # 155 on your xoom, johnny danger. You'll thank me later
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Thanks Alex, I will see about doing that.
@Cubanluke88, Im well aware that a 2 year old device is not going to be on par with the most recent devices, like the N10. But at this point it was a matter of me wanting a 10" tablet that would do what I needed it to do now. I may still get a N10 in a few months and just give my Xoom to one of my kids (I have three, two that are teens). But for right now, its working great and I couldnt be happier. Especially at the price I paid. I might be getting a new job soon and if I do, Im going to be taking a hour train ride to work and back and Im just happy to know that Im going to have a nice big tablet to provide entertainment on those train rides if I do get the job.
Xoom or Xoom II or Xoom II ME?
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Thanks Alex, I will see about doing that.
@Cubanluke88, Im well aware that a 2 year old device is not going to be on par with the most recent devices, like the N10. But at this point it was a matter of me wanting a 10" tablet that would do what I needed it to do now. I may still get a N10 in a few months and just give my Xoom to one of my kids (I have three, two that are teens). But for right now, its working great and I couldnt be happier. Especially at the price I paid. I might be getting a new job soon and if I do, Im going to be taking a hour train ride to work and back and Im just happy to know that Im going to have a nice big tablet to provide entertainment on those train rides if I do get the job.
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Like the OP I'm looking to get a reasonably priced tablet for Browsing, a little eReading and some video watching. It's hard enough to justify what is really a gadget purchase and I certainly can't justify the ~€500 price ranges of the top tablets. My target is around the €200 mark.
I like the look of the Nexus 7, but the small screen bothers me a little. I've a Sony Xperia S and 7 inches doesn't seem to give me enough of a boost over it's 4.3 inches to justify spending €250. So I'm looking at reputable brands which have been discounted (due to age or market forces) rather than the budget trinkets that you can get. I even considered a heavily discounted Playbook (~€170) but that's just too far out of the park in terms of OS, support, etc.
I can get a Xoom II (16 GB, WiFi) for about €280, but thats at the upper end of my target budget. I can get a Xoom (32 GB WiFi) (B-stock, new but damaged/opened packaging) for €200, and that has my attention. But I'm worried about the processor speed and the display. I could also get a new Xoom II ME (16 GB, WiFi) for about the same price, €200. Apart from the newer specs (a faster processor and better screen), the 8.2 inch format strikes me as possibly more portable (for use while commuting). WiFi only is also fine for me as when I'm not in a normal WiFi area I'll use my Xperia S as a hotspot.
So, given my budget limitations and the fact that it's probably for light browsing/reading use (some videos while on holidays perhaps), would the Xoom II ME or the older Xoom be the best bet? Is the new screen a worthwhile upgrade? Thoughts please?
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Thanks for the great info Draxin. You have me some things to think about. I can do without the 1080p and thinking about it I'm not sure that running the newest and greatest games matters. On the other hand viewing outside is kind of a big deal.
Decisions decisions.
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Actually there are quite a few new screen prtectors that dont degrade the quality that allow you to still see your xoom in the sunlight
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Like the OP I'm looking to get a reasonably priced tablet for Browsing, a little eReading and some video watching. It's hard enough to justify what is really a gadget purchase and I certainly can't justify the ~€500 price ranges of the top tablets. My target is around the €200 mark.
I like the look of the Nexus 7, but the small screen bothers me a little. I've a Sony Xperia S and 7 inches doesn't seem to give me enough of a boost over it's 4.3 inches to justify spending €250. So I'm looking at reputable brands which have been discounted (due to age or market forces) rather than the budget trinkets that you can get. I even considered a heavily discounted Playbook (~€170) but that's just too far out of the park in terms of OS, support, etc.
I can get a Xoom II (16 GB, WiFi) for about €280, but thats at the upper end of my target budget. I can get a Xoom (32 GB WiFi) (B-stock, new but damaged/opened packaging) for €200, and that has my attention. But I'm worried about the processor speed and the display. I could also get a new Xoom II ME (16 GB, WiFi) for about the same price, €200. Apart from the newer specs (a faster processor and better screen), the 8.2 inch format strikes me as possibly more portable (for use while commuting). WiFi only is also fine for me as when I'm not in a normal WiFi area I'll use my Xperia S as a hotspot.
So, given my budget limitations and the fact that it's probably for light browsing/reading use (some videos while on holidays perhaps), would the Xoom II ME or the older Xoom be the best bet? Is the new screen a worthwhile upgrade? Thoughts please?
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Well, I finally plumped for the Xoom 2 ME. 8.2 inch screen, price (€200 vs €250) and mini HDMI clinched it over the Nexus 7, plus I really think that I don't need Quad Core nor will I do for a few years yet. Portability beat the Xoom or Xoom 2.
Only qualm is that I ordered it from Expansys as they had the best price (by about €25). For a mainstream seller it has far more negative reviews than it should have (they should really take their Facebook page offline). I did order via Amazon rather than directly, perhaps that adds a little more security to the order.
Hopefully I'll be one of the 89% positive buyers. :fingers-crossed:
Well, whatever Expansys is doing wrong for some, it was a pretty efficient transaction for me. Ordered it from Expansys via Amazon on Monday night and it was delivered (via a forwarding company from a UK address) by Wednesday night! Picked it up this morning.
I've only played with it a little and charged it up. Will do the ICS update when I get home as the work wifi is acting up. I was able to tether it to my Xperia S and so far it's looking nice, though the web browsing seemed a little jerky/laggy. Maybe ICS will improve that.
I have since noticed that my Xperia S actually has a faster CPU, more storage, a higher ppi, a better camera and will likely get Jelly Bean later in Q1. If only it had an 8 inch screen
My contract is coming up for renewal in late February and I'm thinking of replacing my phone with a new Android device. I realize this might be the wrong forum section to post in, but who better to ask than my fellow Shield lovers.
I had a Galaxy Note (original) and a Galaxy S2 prior, and they weren't bad. For the time Touchwiz, and a poor email client really put me off of Android as a phone primarily for me is a communication device, but I still like to have fun with it.
I ended up going back to Blackberry and have been rocking a Z10 for a long time. But won an iphone 5s through work and have been using that for about the past year. I bought a Z30 recently as it was being sold at a stupidly low price new in box from factory and I am sick and tired of the small screens and piss poor battery life of the iphone.
I also have a first gen Galaxy Note 10.1 tablet, and I've been complaining about it for the past 6-10 months because of it's size and weight and now that apps are being optimized for newer OS versions it's getting really slow. So my wife bought me a Shield for Christmas and I absoltuley love it!
I love how the UI is on this tablet and now know what all the fuss is about for Andorid. Touchwiz ruins the experience in my opinion. So I'm thinking for my new phone I'm going to get a Lollipop device for sure...the question is which one?
I don't want a Nexus as I don't like the idea of non-expandable memory and my 64gb card in my Sheild is getting pretty full, no way I could survive with a device that isn't at least 64gb (my iphone is 64gb and is usually between 50-60gb loaded up with music and media.)
So which device has a UI that is as close to the Shield as possible with expandable memory and isn't the size of a house. 5" is about my max screen size. There is no need to go larger as I already have the Sheild, and I want it to be pocketable. I got rid of my Note because I just kept leaving it on my desk. I would also love to get a 16-20 hour day with heavy use. FWIW my iphone 5s is completley dead by the time 2:00pm rolls around when it comes off the charger at 5:30am. I'm usually not near a charger again until 6:30-7:00pm on average. It's going to be a lot to ask but a 5:30am to 10:00pm battery life would be fantastic...
If you want a stock OS look and MicroSD, get the HTC M8 Google Play Edition. Stock Android, front speakers, and MicroSD support just like the ST.
Not going to be a popular opinion around here but the iPhone 6 gets much much better battery life than the older ones, if you are already invested into iTunes that may be a valid option for you. For me I have the 6 plus and it is cool because I get awesome battery life and then I get completely different games then the ones that are available on my shield tab so I have pretty much the best of both worlds.
Also my reason for going to the iPhone is because I have ATT and needed a carrier subsidized phone, tried the Nexus 6 it is utter crap build quality and the Note 4 is not even rootable, there is not much else that is really modern on ATT.
As far as gaming ready devices, all Qualcomm Snapdragon devices fall into a mediocre range. None of them are really "smooth" at gaming and all of them work hard to provide perpetual fluidity. Bad video drivers and non-existent high clock efficiency mean those devices scale vey poorly, and gaming takes a monstrous drain on the battery for even simple 2D games. If you are looking for a device which can handle gaming in a manner similar to the shield (and aren't too concerned with what you might lose) then tegra phones and iPhones are your best option objectively. It's impossible to recommend a Qualcomm device as better for gaming. If you are just looking for a simple phone with light gaming, then something like the upcoming HTC M9 or a likewise lollipop based device would be fine. But if gaming is your concern (which you don't seem to mention) then my above statements hold very true.
All "stock" suggestions should definitely fly with "but shall include excessive Google bloatware that wouldn't be accepted from Samsung or any other OEM." That much said, crap like Drive Earth Docs Sheets Slides Newsstand Books Music Movies Plus Fit Now Wallet Keyboard Chrome and the ever constant location stalker CAN be disabled quite easily.
Preliminary reports say the S5 is shaping up to perform amazingly on Lollipop. A simple comparison of this tablet and the Nexus 7 and the iPad-Mini-esque Nexus 9, has shown me that it's all about the implementation of lollipop, not comparing who has the biggest version number, that is essential in determining which device is best.
Google Play Edition phones like HTC One M8 or Galaxy S4.
The Moto G and X phones also offer nearly stock OS.
Gaming is not a concern for me with a phone, thats what the Tablet is for. a Pretty stock non-bloated with manufacture crud OS is whats most important I think. Touchwiz was just annoying when I was test driving a Note 3 and on my S2 when I had it. Just didn't enjoy it. I also don't like how big the S5 and such has gotten.
I'll take a closer look at the Google Play edition phones. I wanted to get something direct from carrier to get the subsidy and save some cash... I'm on Rogers in Canada... No Moto X is avaialble, and it doesn't appear to have a micro SD. However the Sony Z3 seems to have a pretty stock version of Android... what are peoples opinions on that device?
Well I wouldn't say it's stock by any means. It's actually fairly heavy on skinning, but it does look nice. Updates will be very slow for Sony phones. But the battery life is fantastic, and the overall hardware is nice. Sony phones can be problematic, but since it's a carrier device you can always yell at Rogers.
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Well I wouldn't say it's stock by any means. It's actually fairly heavy on skinning, but it does look nice. Updates will be very slow for Sony phones. But the battery life is fantastic, and the overall hardware is nice. Sony phones can be problematic, but since it's a carrier device you can always yell at Rogers.
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Yea, I'm reading more on the Z3 forums and seeing stuff I'm not overly happy with.
One thing that is ever important to me is the speed and quality of the camera, something I'm addicted to on my iphone. I'm a part-time professional photographer along with my day job. So I got a camera for manual control and taking beautiful shot. I love my iphone for the quick burst that I can do within a couple of seconds on the fly (and thats about it that I've found as a pro over Android). I don't know if there is an Android phone out there that can compete, which is very unfortunate. When I was test driving the Note 3, one of the few major reasons I returned it was due to the crappy camera speed/AF. (The others were size and touchwiz)
Moto X, Moto G, Nexus 5, Nexus 6 or the Google Play Edition phones from the play store. Thats about it. I guess the OnePlus One fits the bill also.
I can't recommend the Moto X enough. Mine is absolutely amazing and I've owned QUITE a few different phones over the past few years including Samsung, HTC, Sony, Nexus, ZTE. The Motorola lineup of the past year or so has been nothing short of phenomenal.
I disagree on the basis that the battery life is pretty bad. Like iPhone levels of battery life frankly. I'm surprised people just glaze over that. 2300mah battery with lollipop+amoled is battery hell.
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I disagree on the basis that the battery life is pretty bad. Like iPhone levels of battery life frankly. I'm surprised people just glaze over that. 2300mah battery with lollipop+amoled is battery hell.
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Do you own one? Because I do. And I routinely hit 18-19 hours with 2.5-3 hours of screen time. Everyone I see complaining about battery life doesn't own one, and are just parroting FUD.
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I disagree on the basis that the battery life is pretty bad. Like iPhone levels of battery life frankly. I'm surprised people just glaze over that. 2300mah battery with lollipop+amoled is battery hell.
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Do you own one? Because I do. And I routinely hit 18-19 hours with 2.5-3 hours of screen time. Everyone I see complaining about battery life doesn't own one, and are just parroting FUD.
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I'd also have to agree. I was hesitant about the phone when it was first announced because of the battery and held off buying one until the Cyber Monday coupon deal. Since then, I've added a wireless charging module (thread in the accessories sub-forum for the phone) and I couldn't be happier. Not saying you need a wireless mod, I just missed that from the Nexus 5. But even so, the battery has been above and beyond what I expected, the phone's performance is top notch, Active Display or whatever its called has no second best and Motorola's adherence to near stock Android is the cherry on top.
Like icase said, unless you have one and have something to back up your comment, you're just blowing FUD. My go to devices today are my 2014 Moto X and my Nvidia Shield Tablet.
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My contract is coming up for renewal in late February and I'm thinking of replacing my phone with a new Android device. I realize this might be the wrong forum section to post in, but who better to ask than my fellow Shield lovers.
I had a Galaxy Note (original) and a Galaxy S2 prior, and they weren't bad. For the time Touchwiz, and a poor email client really put me off of Android as a phone primarily for me is a communication device, but I still like to have fun with it.
I ended up going back to Blackberry and have been rocking a Z10 for a long time. But won an iphone 5s through work and have been using that for about the past year. I bought a Z30 recently as it was being sold at a stupidly low price new in box from factory and I am sick and tired of the small screens and piss poor battery life of the iphone.
I also have a first gen Galaxy Note 10.1 tablet, and I've been complaining about it for the past 6-10 months because of it's size and weight and now that apps are being optimized for newer OS versions it's getting really slow. So my wife bought me a Shield for Christmas and I absoltuley love it!
I love how the UI is on this tablet and now know what all the fuss is about for Andorid. Touchwiz ruins the experience in my opinion. So I'm thinking for my new phone I'm going to get a Lollipop device for sure...the question is which one?
I don't want a Nexus as I don't like the idea of non-expandable memory and my 64gb card in my Sheild is getting pretty full, no way I could survive with a device that isn't at least 64gb (my iphone is 64gb and is usually between 50-60gb loaded up with music and media.)
So which device has a UI that is as close to the Shield as possible with expandable memory and isn't the size of a house. 5" is about my max screen size. There is no need to go larger as I already have the Sheild, and I want it to be pocketable. I got rid of my Note because I just kept leaving it on my desk. I would also love to get a 16-20 hour day with heavy use. FWIW my iphone 5s is completley dead by the time 2:00pm rolls around when it comes off the charger at 5:30am. I'm usually not near a charger again until 6:30-7:00pm on average. It's going to be a lot to ask but a 5:30am to 10:00pm battery life would be fantastic...
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Hi, just my two cents, IMHO the Nvidia Shield is a great tablet but to play PC games you have to stream to Nvidia, so if I want to recommend to you a similar device, the closest phone you can get is the Sony Experia Z3, Android 5 Lollipop, battery levels are very good, beautiful design and you can connect it to a playstation and play the games wireless on your phone with the PS controller. You even get the sound from your controller by connecting the headphones to it.
I have a couple of ideas.
If you can wait, the HTC Hima promises to be a beast. A Snapdragon 810 with a 1080p screen means that it will probably crush every other phone in terms of performace, thanks to every other phone jumping on the pointless 4K train. Look it up. It looks pretty nice. *drool*
If you need something now, then....I know you want a smaller phone, but....I can't recommend the Oneplus One enough.
-It is actually thinner than and not as wide as the Note, dispite its slightly larger screen.
-Even though it has no expandable storage, 64 gigs of internal storage has actually proven more useful to me. I never have to worry about limited storage for application data.
-The battery life on this thing is nuts. I'm a heavy user and I only need to charge it every other day.
-1080p screen. This is a plus because it it uses less resources than a 4k display. And honestly, most, if not all people, cannot tell the difference.
-Snapdragon 801 with 3 gigs of RAM. This thing flies, and multitasks like a champ. I remember a time not too long ago when more than 2gb RAM was considered excessive for most DESKTOP computers. I think its more than the specs that make this thing fly, though. Something in the hardware implementation must be special, because people have been reporting some pretty unbelievable benchmarks. Oh, and Sonic Adventure 2 runs smoothly in Reicast.
-The XDA scene is HUGE for this device. Its the most popular device on the forums. There are, like, 73 billion ROMs for it and maybe 2.5 billion kernels. I've never owned such a popular device. This is my favorite feature.
Its also the one of the only devices I have right now that isn't defective in some way. I tend to have horrible luck when purchasing electronics.
I hope I've helped you reach some sort of conclusion. Good luck. :good:
thanks guys,
I went into my Rogers store and manhandled what they had on display as well as a few open box units. I also took at look at Telus, but they can't meet me on my plan so no point in switching over. But the Moto X seemed like the best device.
I found the Z3 to be the best value for me right now. As I originally mentioned I'm not looking at the phone for gaming, but to be a workhorse and get me through a very heavy use work day. Not having Touch-Wiz was a huge plus for me, and I really enjoyed some of the things they changed in the skin. The camera performed a lot better than the other phones I tried in store. the HTC M8 was a very close contender, but the camera just sucks so horribly it got kicked out of the running faster than I could blink. I honestly think that Nokia/Windows Phone has the best camera interface after playing around with phones the past week, but the Z3 does a pretty good job.
For me it was the battery power, the UI, and the pretty impressive spec sheet that (hopefuly) will not force me to upgrade in the next 18 months that caused me to go with the Z3 overall. Rogers has a pretty limited offering right now which is annoying. I almost went with the Samsung S5, but remembered how much Touch-Wiz pozioned me the first time.
If they had a Nexus 5 32gb in stock I would have probably gone with that instead...and dealt with the size limitiation...but none left for corporate customers.
So my Black Z3 is in the mail and I'm really looking forward to it. Especially since my time frame for getting a new device really escallated with an unexpected smashy smashy of my iphone (dropped it and ran it over with a stroller by complete accident. One of the only times it wasn't cased!) now I need a case for my Z3