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Anyone consider this? No the transformer isn't running chrome...for those who don't know. But I have a chromebook and absolutely love it. I had to let someone borrow it for a little while and now I realize how much I miss it and how great it would be on the transformer. The native browser blows and so does every other browser. I cant use it to do real work. I could do almost everything on chrome. Any thoughts on this?
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is chrome is designed to run on arm platforms? I I thought all the Chromebooks were using x86?
Could be a limiting factor...
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is chrome is designed to run on arm platforms? I I thought all the Chromebooks were using x86?
Could be a limiting factor...
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Ehh... Try Chromium... Not sure if it'll work on the transformer, probably not... But Chrome is a light OS, should have no problems running on ARM.
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Anyone consider this? No the transformer isn't running chrome...for those who don't know. But I have a chromebook and absolutely love it. I had to let someone borrow it for a little while and now I realize how much I miss it and how great it would be on the transformer. The native browser blows and so does every other browser. I cant use it to do real work. I could do almost everything on chrome. Any thoughts on this?
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I have not used Chrome but the defaut web browser on the Transformer sucks. Opera isn't much better. Your are right, even posting on XDA I find to be a huge pain in the butt.
Install ubuntu, uninstall everything except for browser. Make it open browser on the login. TADA. I don't think I would want google to have more control over my my life.
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I have not used Chrome but the defaut web browser on the Transformer sucks. Opera isn't much better. Your are right, even posting on XDA I find to be a huge pain in the butt.
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You are *SO* mistaking Chrome and ChromeOS
Wikipedia (in italian) says that is designed to run on x86 and Arm processors
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Correct me if I'm wrong but jolicloud is so similar that may work... And I believe that runs on ARM
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Why does everyone whine and ***** about the browsers on the transformer? Dolphin HD doesn't suck. Get off your high horse, its not a god damned PC.
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Why does everyone whine and ***** about the browsers on the transformer? Dolphin HD doesn't suck. Get off your high horse, its not a god damned PC.
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Why does everyone whine and ***** about the browsers on the transformer? Dolphin HD doesn't suck. Get off your high horse, its not a god damned PC.
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Your a little off subject.
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Also I'm all for seeing Chrome os on transformer. It's running on macbooks.
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I am so down for this. i got one of those Cr-48 Chromebooks. and im not gonna lie. its a sweet OS. specially for students.
If it were between ChromeOS and Ubuntu I'd rather use Ubuntu since its a full blown Linux OS compared to ChromeOS which is essentially just a web browser with web apps.
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If it were between ChromeOS and Ubuntu I'd rather use Ubuntu since its a full blown Linux OS compared to ChromeOS which is essentially just a web browser with web apps.
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Now I've never run ubuntu on my tf but I feel like Chrome OS will run better considering its really light weight
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Because Chrome is spyware infested and so is the OS.
Sorry but Google is lucky that Android has proven itself trustworthy....ChomeOS and its crappy browser has not.
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Because Chrome is spyware infested and so is the OS.
Sorry but Google is lucky that Android has proven itself trustworthy....ChomeOS and its crappy browser has not.
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On the original topic; i would *always* prefer ubuntu to chromeos i think; similar boot time and the ability to have local terminals wins.
Second; chrome is probably the best browser at the moment; firefox5 is good but not there yet.
Why would you think Android is, "Trustworthy" but not ChromeOS? I would actually trust ChromeOS more; as less hands are modifying it before it gets into consumers hands (so far), it's lightweight; there isn't any incentive for device makers to push junk/spyware onto the platform ye.t
Sure it can work. Chrome/Chromium OS is basically a dumbed down linux distro (based on Gentoo, if I'm not mistaken?) and also has support for ARM (the main thing we need). If we get a Chromium OS root filesystem, we could most likely do a bit of small changes to the existing Ubuntu ARM scripts and get Chromium OS working on TF.
Not sure if it includes touch drivers by default. Shouldn't be hard to manually get them on.
I don't know if Hexxeh has actually compiled any Chromium OS builds for ARM, but if so you could make a root fs from his. And note that we would be talking about Chromium OS not Chrome OS. Chromium OS is the free distributable version that doesn't include the proprietary elements included in Chrome OS. If you were to get Chrome OS running on your TF, pretty sure it's breaking a few licenses (and therefore illegal).
And after that's all said and done, I have absolutely no idea why any of you would want to run such a dumbed down OS and take even more functionality away from your tablet. If you really wanted this, install Ubuntu, and remove all the elements you don't want and just leave Chrome browser to load at boot. It's pretty much the same thing, but you've got a full blown OS sitting there in case you ever want to do anything else.
And to the person who just "feels" like Ubuntu would be slower because Chrome OS is lightweight... please understand that Linux is not Windows... you can make it as lightweight as you please. It's extremely modular so if the desktop is too heavy, just remove it and install a different one. See LXDE or XFCE if you want a nice lightweight Ubuntu.
Google has implied that Android is for mobile devices, and Chrome OS is for netbooks. While the TF (for example) can be functionally either, it is still a tablet at heart. And keep in mind the simple things, like the fact that Chrome OS does not need to rely on a soft keyboard, and therefore would not be the best fit on a tablet. Of course, you could make it work, but it's not specifically designed for it at this point.
One of Google's co-founders also stated that it's possible the two may merge at some point. I have a link for that, but the board won't let me post it. Check the Wikipedia article for Chrome OS and visit citation note #52.
And of course, there's always the possibility that Android will mature into something incredible, and they'll abandon Chrome OS all together.
There's a distinct hardware difference that keeps Chrome OS from being the OS of choice on these tablet devices, and it's not just because they're all ARM architecture. Even the low-level Cr-48 has twice as much RAM, a faster CPU clock, and several magnitudes faster I/O thanks to its 16GB SSD. While the Tegra certainly outpaces the Intel Atom for those applications that are optimized for it, the problem is that most of the web is not optimized for the new architecture, so web browsing in general is blazingly fast by comparison on an x86-based laptop like the Cr-48.
As set forth by Google for all Chromebook manufacturers, just the bare minimum RAM requirement for these devices is 2GB, and all existing Tegra tablets have only half of that. You could technically run Chrome OS anyway, but, like the native Ubuntu port, you'd be crawling most of the time. In Android the system already struggles sometimes when firing up the Android browser, so just imagine how bad it would be on an OS where all of the applications are launched through the browser.
are iPhones and ipod touches far more advanced technically Than the play or other Android phones? I ask because ios app store has some great games like prince of Persia (the ps2 version) yet Android is lagging behind? Why?
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Well, the reason is because Android is widespread and open to many different hardware, as IOS is only available on one identical unit.
Think of it this way.
Android is to PC, iOS is to Mac.
iOS is much more consistent because there aren't any devices that are stronger or weaker, because they're all the exact same hardware, so optimizing is a cinch, while Android developers have to focus on SO many different devices, processors, etc.
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Well, the reason is because Android is widespread and open to many different hardware, as IOS is only available on one identical unit.
Think of it this way.
Android is to PC, iOS is to Mac.
iOS is much more consistent because there aren't any devices that are stronger or weaker, because they're all the exact same hardware, so optimizing is a cinch, while Android developers have to focus on SO many different devices, processors, etc.
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This.
But ICS is pretty much putting everything behind and putting us ahead of iOS
Thanks. Now I understand. So is the play inferior to the iPhone 4s technically?
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Thanks. Now I understand. So is the play inferior to the iPhone 4s technically?
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If you think PC is inferior to Mac.
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Think of it this way.
Android is to PC, iOS is to Mac.
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So what does that make Windows Phone 7?
Android = Linux
It was about the hardware, not OS
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So what does that make Windows Phone 7?
Android = Linux
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Yes, Android is Linux.
But Selim873 was pointing to hardware fragmentation. You cannot buy a Mac and put the video card you want. You cannot get a mac with the processor you want. There is no Nvidia/Intel/AMD processors to choose from, nor the 32/64 bits thing in Mac.
Apple has complete control over the hardware and you can only buy what they sell and they sell the same thing to everybody. it is not like that on PC, where you can have a PC with different processors/graphic cards/ram/hard disks/whatever you want.
So the fragmentation on Android hardware allows us to have dual screen devices, gamepads, physical keyboards, etc, but it also increases the amount of drivers people need to work with and the amount of optimization needed to release anything. On IOS you have only one thing and everybody have the same, so it is easier to optimize.
I sold in my iPhone 4 the instant I heard that you didn't have to "jailbreak" it to install emulators and your own custom apps. So IMO iOS is vastly inferior to android.
Pretty much the same thing when I bought a Mac, traded that in when I realized none of my games could run on it other than Half Life 2 series (which I had already played the he11 out of btw) (Mac OS 5-9 Was better than OS-X ANY day IMO) so I got an Alienware M15X which was more powerful for less money, plus I got a couple of Mac OS 9 PPC's which actually run
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I sold in my iPhone 4 the instant I heard that you didn't have to "jailbreak" it to install emulators and your own custom apps. So IMO iOS is vastly inferior to android.
Pretty much the same thing when I bought a Mac, traded that in when I realized none of my games could run on it other than Half Life 2 series (which I had already played the he11 out of btw) (Mac OS 5-9 Was better than OS-X ANY day IMO) so I got an Alienware M15X which was more powerful for less money, plus I got a couple of Mac OS 9 PPC's which actually run
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True I have a Ipod and a Ipad as well as the Tablet S and Xperia Play On android the developers are faced with a challenge to optimize the devices for games on IOS they have to do It once forever.
But to get true grip of your IDevice you have to "Jailbreak" and Avoid you warranty .
On android we can custimize Our Stock rom to what ever we Like Home Launchers apps Widgets.
MAC=iDevice
Windowss/Linux=Android
Now look at which one is better you can also download files on the go on android, install different markets upgrade your memory when ever you like etc.....
People think of android as a Slave its a heavy System to run but it payes of in the end .
You decide if you prefer Fixed Specs or Changeable soecs
As an operating system iOS is better than Android. But iPhones in general are not better than Androids. Why? 3.5" screens, that's why .
iOS is very solid, I am a game tester for EA's mobile division and the kind of punishment it takes puts it in front compared to Androids.
But then again iOS is an anti-democratic ****, that gives you absolutely no freedom, so no matter how well built it is, it's still going to be trash from a smartphone's perspective (until you jailbreak it)
unix linux android
Unix=Linux=Android
Unix= 100% coding base.
Linux= 50% Code 50% graphic
Android= Perfect build Graphical System with Coding Support.
Android going to be No 1 sooooooooooooon... cheers...
You can't compare Android to Windows, Android is at least secure and efficient
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You can't compare Android to Windows, Android is at least secure and efficient
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Explain how windows isn't secure and efficient if you're not computer savvy?
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You can't compare Android to Windows, Android is at least secure and efficient
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Like I said, Linux
So I dont start my anti-ios rant please see my comment here>http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1256874. I get a but sensitive & worked up when I get myself started talking about freedom.lmao.
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Very interesting and in-depth comparison of all the features provided by three main mobile OS.
Android 4.1, iOS 6, Windows Phone 8
The article shows Android 4.1 has 13 superior features compared to other operating systems
Source
I don't think it's fair to compare iOS/Android with WP8 yet.
It's not even out on the market yet.
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I don't think it's fair to compare iOS/Android with WP8 yet.
It's not even out on the market yet.
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But most features are already revealed, Perfomance is the only thing that cant be compared ATM.
iOS so conservative
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I don't think it's fair to compare iOS/Android with WP8 yet.
It's not even out on the market yet.
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That is true with all three OS compared in the article. None of them are out on the market right now. Its meant to compare the upcoming mobile OS from three main players in smartphone industry.
it says Kernal for iOS is OSX?? I think its darwin!
also Android is Prone to virus' lol...they all are. Its the same for all, you have to install it.
Personally I think that was a bad review
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it says Kernal for iOS is OSX?? I think its darwin!
also Android is Prone to virus' lol...they all are. Its the same for all, you have to install it.
Personally I think that was a bad review
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It says OSX because its the XNU kernel used in OSX
I agree with you about the virus part.. you have to install the app. but the fact that some apps become available makes it prone to viruses. Apple has locked down the app submission process to eliminate such threats.
Interesting article!
Thanks for sharing
This feature really pwns → Wide Open For Customization
hum...
Anyway, I hope them to come out soon Korea.:laugh:
Thanks for sharing. The table of comparisons really is interesting though I don't think "prone" is the proper word to use.
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also Android is Prone to virus' lol...they all are. Its the same for all, you have to install it.
Personally I think that was a bad review
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I know, where do people get this from? They are basing it on the fact that its the only platform where you have the option to install from outside an authorized app store without jailbreaking, meaning its possible to install a virus if you are careless. I suppose there have been a few in Google Play but they usually look suspicious anyways.
You have to accept installation of any program, your not going to see a drive by download on Android, so for the majority of people who install popular apps from Google Play they will never have an issue.
Jellybean master race
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Not really. Just last week they found a malware app in the IOS market.
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After reading the source; problem 1, the three main OSs are Android Apple, and Blackberry. Anyone who tells you differently is telling a blatant lie.
Offline Reading list, yes Android has this. Introduced in ICS natively.
Social gaming yes, there are tons of real time multi player games. Game loft live if you want points and play with friends
Wifi syncing Yes. Been here since 1.5 or 2.1.
Full device encryption, yes
Windows doesn't have a bookstore to my knowledge. Tablet support is not there either. RT is not WP8.
Native ticketing system?
Tons of stuff they didn't mention like Web kit browser, native YouTube etc.....
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Social gaming yes, there are tons of real time multi player games. Game loft live if you want points and play with friends
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I think the article is only native support, gameloft is a 3rd party. This makes me wonder, when will google release their own social gaming center integrated into the OS? Google Play is a much better name for that than their one stop shop for music, apps, movies, phones, etc.
Otherwise I would hunt the author down, and smack him in the face, because there is most definitely a phone finder service for android (the 3rd party ones on android are better than the "find my iphone" by apple)
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Social gaming sucks ass right now on Android.
Android desperately needs a game center styled app like iOS.....
I mean even doodle jump has multiplayer on iOS fer chrissake.
on the tastes do not. so out of here all relative, for whom this is a plus, but for someone and cons. I like the android because of its simplicity and availability of source code freely available!
I will tell you something, open source ALWAYS WINS !!
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Social gaming sucks ass right now on Android.
Android desperately needs a game center styled app like iOS.....
I mean even doodle jump has multiplayer on iOS fer chrissake.
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looking at how hard google is pushing Play Store (Books, Movies, Magazines, Music).. I'm sure Google has something in works..
Hi,
Has anyone got Linux working natively on this tablet? Or at least the X Window System and/or with a working touchscreen driver?
I would really like to get Linux to run on this tab (any distro).
Thanks!
No news of any?
If only I new how to do it myself...
The question is why?
It hard enough to get all the hardware working with the scaled down Linux of android.
DigitalMD said:
The question is why?
It hard enough to get all the hardware working with the scaled down Linux of android.
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It shouldn't be that hard to get everything working (Linux, X, ALSA and mtev have been ported to the original Tab and also the S2 too, so it's possible). Alternatively, (search Novo Paladin Tablet running X in Youtube) run X on top of the Android kernel.
Why would it need to be scaled down? The internal drive could be partitioned for /etc, /usr, /var and /home use.
I think you could try the linuxonandroid solution( but I think you already did...), it runs linux natively and only needs a vnc client to access the GUI. I am running the BackTrack and it is quite usable. Not as fast and optimal as it would be without the vnc layer, but I don't think any developer would spent much effort to close that gap.
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I think you could try the linuxonandroid solution( but I think you already did...), it runs linux natively and only needs a vnc client to access the GUI. I am running the BackTrack and it is quite usable. Not as fast and optimal as it would be without the vnc layer, but I don't think any developer would spent much effort to close that gap.
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why not a more modern OS like say .... Windows 98 or VME ? or Bada?
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why not a more modern OS like say .... Windows 98 or VME ? or Bada?
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windows 98 is more modern than a release of Ubuntu from last year?
The linuxonandroid project is working on native ports of Linux distros, its true you can run the likes of windows 98 but this uses emulation via the likes of qume which means more lag and less use of the actual hardware
Didn't get that either. My guess is that he posted in the wrong thread.
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windows 98 is more modern than a release of Ubuntu from last year?
The linuxonandroid project is working on native ports of Linux distros, its true you can run the likes of windows 98 but this uses emulation via the likes of qume which means more lag and less use of the actual hardware
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Linux is soooooooooo 1960s
originally developed in 1969 by a group of AT&T employees at Bell Labs,
Don;t they teach you kids nothin in school??
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix
Running a 40 yo OS. .....LMAO>>>>>>
I just hope you are kidding dude...
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I just hope you are kidding dude...
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Kidding???????????
I posted the fact filled link from Wiki , are you kidding?
Linux is a 44 year old OS>
Yeah, got it. Sorry, but that's not funny at all.
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Yeah, got it. Sorry, but that's not funny at all.
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I think its hilarious , people thinking they are doing something cool and new. I was doing this stuff Unix in college in 1978
DigitalMD said:
Linux is soooooooooo 1960s
originally developed in 1969 by a group of AT&T employees at Bell Labs,
Don;t they teach you kids nothin in school??
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix
Running a 40 yo OS. .....LMAO>>>>>>
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Linux WAS NOT developed in the 1960s, nor was it developed by Bell Labs. It does copy UNIX, however. Linus Torvalds wrote the kernel from scratch and posted it to the Minix mailinglist in the 80s (what's wrong with an old OS xD at least it is being continued).
And also, Bada and Android are based on Linux, and Windows 9x won't run because it is developed for x86 chipsets, not ARM.
Go and do your research first
No dude, what is hilarious is that you keep that point of yours. We are not trying to emulate a dead OS from 60's( which is not the Linux case, by the way), we are running a modern version of a distro ported to an ARM platform and by consequence ALL of its apps and libraries.
Ubuntu Touch is now availible for ARM chipsets!
DigitalMD, it's not the fact we're making something new, it's the fact we're improving it, making it how we want it.
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No dude, what is hilarious is that you keep that point of yours. We are not trying to emulate a dead OS from 60's( which is not the Linux case, by the way), we are running a modern version of a distro ported to an ARM platform and by consequence ALL of its apps and libraries.
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Exactly.
I'm running Linux right now, and uname -a returns:
Code:
Linux kube 3.5.0-24-generic #37-Ubuntu SMP Thu Feb 7 01:50:30 UTC 2013 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
Kernel last updated 7th Feb. Dead OS? I think not.
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That's great. Have you seen the Nova Paladin video? It would be awesome if you could kill the UI and run the X server with mtev.
DigitalMD said:
why not a more modern OS like say .... Windows 98 or VME ? or Bada?
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Windoze???? You've got to be kidding!!
Yes, UNIX was created by Kernighan and Ritchie (K&R) at Bell Labs (BTL) in the late 60's. Its main attributes are that it is a mujlti-user, multi-tasking and processor-independent operating system. It is transportable to different hardware simply by rewriting the underlying kernel specifics before compiling. Their group also created the C language to better handle its features, finding Fortran to be too cumbersome. In other words, it was done right from the ground up; one would be hard-pressed to devise a better OS. I perceive Ubuntu and other implementations as primarily UI applications, but I'm not a programmer.
You can find a nice history (and license plates!) at unix.org.
Linus Torvalds, as previously mentioned, ported UNIX to the IBM PC by rewriting the kernel and rather narcissistically dubbed it "Linux".
Microsoft Windows can run only on the Intel boat anchor, and is a crazy-quilt of patches over the original single-user kludge, PC-DOS. Bill Gates plastered too much lipstick on that pig long ago.
I am a beginner on this page. I am writing this to backup the other developers on this form. A lot of people who has been going around on the surface forum repeating over and over fat some functions will never work. I've been around modding phones since when Windows Mobile 3 came out back when I was in middle school. I remember when Windows Mobile came out a website called geekstoolbox.com whats the phone for many modders to build custom firmware for Windows Phones. I remembered and middle school it was difficult to make certain improvements because Windows Mobile phones were close systems. I remember then listen to visit on the forum who actually broken too the phone am I allowed a dump of data to flow in Internet of his phone start new custom ROM custom firmware revolution to begin. Afterwards, I begin saying revolutionary products such as wifi tether, Bluetooth tethering, Mobile sharing, and in custom OS. to those web visiting thi about s forum repeating over and over and over, that there would be no Windows based x86 programs on when does RT we'll be eating crow when it finally does happen within the next few months. I see it being possible when you consider if someone will, compile a virtual machine enabling many features of Windows 8 x86. Furthermore, suppose it becomes like parallels Macintosh. In addition, maybe someone will develop 8 translator package for Windows 82 windows Rt to understand each other's programs. all that I am saying is please do not be downers and out other people expressions about this tablet and is always
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I meant to end by saying, please do not doubt other people's expressions about this templates capabilities in with the wish to see on this tablet because the possibilities are there and if someone desires it enough it will come to fruition.
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There are already two x86 emulators (Bochs and DosBox) for Windows RT. Bochs is slow to the point of being unusable, and DosBox is slow to the point of lagging while playing games from 1992.
x86 will likely never run (games) well on Windows RT, but it does in fact already run.
See,! It already possible . I have 1 questions, do they use virtual machines or do they do rely on the Internet
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See,! It already possible . I have 1 questions, do they use virtual machines or do they do rely on the Internet
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They use virtual machines, but they're slow to the point of complete uselessness. It takes half an hour to boot XP in them.
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Tempered with a dose of reality, when you acknowledge that even a dual core ARM cpu is still very underpowered to emulate a full x86 cpu/environment. If what you want is a good x86 experience, the Surface RT isn't what you want.
That's not saying you can't get a decent toy x86 environment, or really good recompiled for arm desktop apps. Those two work fine.
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Tempered with a dose of reality, when you acknowledge that even a dual core ARM cpu is still very underpowered to emulate a full x86 cpu/environment. If what you want is a good x86 experience, the Surface RT isn't what you want.
That's not saying you can't get a decent toy x86 environment, or really good recompiled for arm desktop apps. Those two work fine.
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Maybe not the full experience but something like WINE on Linux. Most people who buys the RT version aren't power PC users and don't require much anyhow , except for a few apps
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Maybe not the full experience but something like WINE on Linux. Most people who buys the RT version aren't power PC users and don't require much anyhow , except for a few apps
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Wine on x86 linux isn't emulating the CPU. This is a critical difference.
schettj said:
Tempered with a dose of reality, when you acknowledge that even a dual core ARM cpu is still very underpowered to emulate a full x86 cpu/environment. If what you want is a good x86 experience, the Surface RT isn't what you want.
That's not saying you can't get a decent toy x86 environment, or really good recompiled for arm desktop apps. Those two work fine.
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I believe that all the Windows RT devices are quad core right now.
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It's really very unlikely that any x86 program bigger than Notepad will ever be usability fast/stable. I'd go read up a bit on emulation and the downsides regarding speed with it. This is the same reason that android tablets, which are quite arguably far more suited for this, can't do anything better than emulate 20 year old OSes, and do that poorly.
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I believe that all the Windows RT devices are quad core right now.
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d'oh! flip flopping between windows phone 8 and windows RT Yep, 4 arm cores. Still like trying to emulate a V8 with an inline4.
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I believe that all the Windows RT devices are quad core right now.
It's really very unlikely that any x86 program bigger than Notepad will ever be usability fast/stable. I'd go read up a bit on emulation and the downsides regarding speed with it. This is the same reason that android tablets, which are quite arguably far more suited for this, can't do anything better than emulate 20 year old OSes, and do that poorly.
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Instead of emulating an entire OS, would anyone entertain the idea of a program translator; A program could be build with the libraries of some main OS'es. Within the translator, when an x86 program is called the programs determines what operating systems' library to use. The translator would then render a version of the program Windows with RT can understand.
Couldn't this be likely.
netham45 said:
There are already two x86 emulators (Bochs and DosBox) for Windows RT. Bochs is slow to the point of being unusable, and DosBox is slow to the point of lagging while playing games from 1992.
x86 will likely never run (games) well on Windows RT, but it does in fact already run.
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I believe I no what the issue with these are.......... Bochs and DosBox do not allow users to control processing cores for each emulation. These emulators need to be updated to take advantage of this feature, it's a blessing for other OS'es
There's already a translator project much like what you describe, actually. It's early alpha quality right now, only able to run a few apps and those slowly and with stability problems, but it's a very promising proof of concept. The developer is using the DOSBox dynamic recompilation engine, optimized for THUMB-2 (ARM variant that Windows uses) with some hacks in it to remove support for stuff that only the kernel has to care about like page tables and whatnot (these hacks apparently substantially increase speed). The recompilation engine is not currently thread-safe, which means it has to run on a single core (although it's possible that the translated program itself might be able to run across multiple cores; I don't know for sure) but the possibility of fixing that is being investigated.
The project is on the Dev&Hacking sub-forum, and there's a download link for it and a (mostly playable) demo of Heroes of Might and Magic 3 as an example of what it can currently do.
Can someone point me in the duration to learn about building for ARM. I want to see if I can contribute. In school I am only learning about the x86 and x64 architectural
befreshshaveivorysalesoap said:
Can someone point me in the duration to learn about building for ARM. I want to see if I can contribute. In school I am only learning about the x86 and x64 architectural
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Currently this is the porting method: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2096820&highlight=arm
Requires visual studio to cross compile from a desktop windows machine.