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Best way to manage CPU?

Coming from the HTC Desire, where SetCPU was the only to manage the CPU, I have developed a habit of using SetCPU with several frequency profiles and different governors for various situations. For instance, I use battery<80, <60, <40, <30, screen off, temp >40, >50, and a charging profile. For governors I use lulzactive2 for higher frequency ranges, interactive for mid range frequencies and on demand for the lower frequencies. Oh, this is all with the latest matr1x kernel.
Seeing how a lot of ROMs allow extensive controll of the CPU I was wondering if it wouldn't be more efficient to just set a min/max frequency, chose a governor, turn deep idle on (which is off while I'm using SetCPU) and leave it be.
What are your thoughts and experiences on the matter?
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profile ? that's completely unnecessary...
just set governor and min-max is enough.
we have NSTOOL, so looks like extended ROM controll also not necessary because not good enough compare to NSTOOL , but lots lots ROM has it build-in

I've never bothered with profiles. I can feel if the phone needs a break from the heat and performance is good for me with 100/1200 set and slight undervolting.
Battery life while idling won't change, only while using intensive apps, and with deep idle working and max freq screen off, music playback and the likes drains very little battery.
Try it and see, you need to be comfortable with it.

I agree with qtwrk. Profiles are, in most cases, detrimental. The following is especially true since Deep Idle was implemented: always let the CPU run as fast as possible to save energy. Sounds counterintuitive, but here's why: while lower CPU frequencies in general consume less energy PER TIME than higher CPU frequencies, the faster the CPU can finish it's job, the faster it can return to energy saving states. So in the end, reducing CPU frequency actually uses more energy... Just overclock to save values, use undervoltage to set lowest possible voltage values and go to sleep.

What's the minimum you can set the screen off max frequency so that music playback isn't choppy?
Also, is the phone always idle on screen off, or does music playback, or any other activity make the phone come out of idle, even if the screen is still off?
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zyrill said:
I agree with qtwrk. Profiles are, in most cases, detrimental. The following is especially true since Deep Idle was implemented: always let the CPU run as fast as possible to save energy. Sounds counterintuitive, but here's why: while lower CPU frequencies in general consume less energy PER TIME than higher CPU frequencies, the faster the CPU can finish it's job, the faster it can return to energy saving states. So in the end, reducing CPU frequency actually uses more energy... Just overclock to save values, use undervoltage to set lowest possible voltage values and go to sleep.
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Very good point, for exemple cpu at 1000 MHz takes 1100 juices per second and 10 seconds to finish a task, total cost 10 x 1100 (11000 ) juice
If it runs at 1200 MHz takes 1200 juices per second, same task only needs 8.34 seconds, 8.34 x 1200 (10008) juices... this isn't real just number assumption and theoretically appears that way
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I agree with everything that was said here and actually posted about this very topic earlier on in the matr1x thread in regards to the lulzactive settings. People putting settings too much towards battery saving are actually not getting battery savings. They are making the CPU run longer and therefore more cycles and more power. Profiles are a bad idea too. They cause problems.

I decided to ask hear instead of creating new thread, etc.
In the amazing post of droidphile http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1369817 there's an information about SGS II, that
'energetically efficient' frequency for CPU is 200 mhz
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(it's Cortex-A9).
And what about Cortex-A8 on Nexus S?
droidphile also says that on Milestone (Cortex-A8) 550Mhz is the frequency used in the calculations based on the optimal energy to run. Don't know what's the source of this info...

Decrease brightness when nexus is hot

I always use my Nexus 5 with brightness max ( never automatic ). I have observed that when the nexus is used intensively (several AnTuTu) screen loses some intensity and when you stop using the intensity gets intensively.
anyone know what happens?
this also happens in my nexus 4

Hi,
It's normal, thermal management:
Code:
[SKIN_THERMAL_management_1]
algo_type monitor
sensor xo_therm_pu2
sampling 10000
thresholds 40000 42000 44000
thresholds_clr 38500 40500 42500
[B]actions cpu+lcd cpu+lcd cpu+lcd
action_info 1958400+[U]229[/U] 1574400+[U]204[/U] 1190400+[U]178[/U][/B]
You run "several Antutu", device runs hot-> thermal throttling to prevent damages...
Let your phone cool down, why run multiple benchs in a row

viking37 said:
Hi,
It's normal, thermal management:
Code:
[SKIN_THERMAL_management_1]
algo_type monitor
sensor xo_therm_pu2
sampling 10000
thresholds 40000 42000 44000
thresholds_clr 38500 40500 42500
[B]actions cpu+lcd cpu+lcd cpu+lcd
action_info 1958400+[U]229[/U] 1574400+[U]204[/U] 1190400+[U]178[/U][/B]
You run "several Antutu", device runs hot-> thermal throttling to prevent damages...
Let your phone cool down, why run multiple benchs in a row
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I was browsing 45 minutes and some time play. Nexus was hot and I observed this

djnord said:
I was browsing 45 minutes and some time play. Nexus was hot and I observed this
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And this:
djnord said:
I have observed that when the nexus is used intensively (several AnTuTu)
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And? Where is the problem?
You have a quadcore at 2,26 Ghz device, under certain conditions (heavy games, browsing in 4g, long run heavy tasks, etc...) it's absolutely normal that the phone runs hot...
In any case there is a thermal protection (as you observed) called thermal throttling that reduces the CPU freq, the number of cores online and the screen brightness when the CPU (and/or battery) reaches some different temperature ranges, so no worries...

viking37 said:
And this:
And? Where is the problem?
You have a quadcore at 2,26 Ghz device, under certain conditions (heavy games, browsing in 4g, long run heavy tasks, etc...) it's absolutely normal that the phone runs hot...
In any case there is a thermal protection (as you observed) called thermal throttling that reduces the CPU freq, the number of cores online and the screen brightness when the CPU reaches some different temperature range, so no worries...
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i have observed that this happens in my nexus 4.
Thanks you very much!

djnord said:
i have observed that this happens in my nexus 4.
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It's also normal, same thing for the Nexus 4...

Question for the expert:
I have a slim case on mine , the Ringke Slim.
The phone tends to get really warm after being used for gps purposes (maps, or gps speed).
I'm wondering if i'm suffocating the phone and making it worse ? Because the case is really really warm, so that means the phone itself must've been hot then ??
The screen is warm too when the back gets really warm.
I just don't wanna damage the battery since i read that heat is battery's #1 enemy,

With GPS it's normal also that the phone runs hot...
Yes maybe the slim case could retain heat, check your CPU/battery temperatures while you use the GPS with and without your slim case to see how it may retain heat (try to test under the same conditions of test like room temperature).
But guys... in all scenarios there is the thermal throttling, and it does its job when needed. In extreme conditions the phone shutdown itself to prevent any damage. Use your phone as normal, as you need... Or don't use GPS, don't play games, don't run benchs
It's a quadcore at 2,26 Ghz completely enclosed without any additional cooling system, so...
It remembers me the Nexus 4 all these threads/questions about "pseudo" heating/overheating...
Check your temperatures and provide them to have an approach a bit more real, because "it feels hot" etc... is very subjective...

Nexus 5 permanently slower after overclock??

I'm pretty new to Android. I got my N5 2 months ago and rooted it as soon as I took it out of the box to get rid of the navigation bar. Didnt install any ROM or kernal.
What I did today was try to overclock it. I wanted to test the performance upgrade with Geekbench 3.
I got 2500. Tried to overclock with this app called: No-frills CPU control. And suddenly I get no higher than 2000...... Tried everything. I'm stuck at a multi core score of 2000 in geekbench while it should be 2500>.
WTF DO I DO? My device is noticeably slower, it's like a GS4 D: I'd rather not install any kernals/Roms
I set the minimum CPU frequency to 300Mhz and max to 2.266Ghz

Hi,
Thermal throttling..., overclocking produces more heat than the stock CPU freq so more thermal throttling. To prevent any damage, the CPU freq decreases according to the CPU temperature...
Let cool down your phone.

Hammer_Of_The_Gods said:
Hi,
Thermal throttling..., overclocking produces more heat than the stock CPU freq so more thermal throttling. To prevent any damage, the CPU freq decreases according to the CPU temperature...
Let cool down your phone.
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Sure, I'll turn it off for a while.
Just to make sure: the standard CPU frequencies are 300Mhz MIN and 2.266Ghz MAX, right?

Fandrold said:
Sure, I'll turn it off for a while.
Just to make sure: the standard CPU frequencies are 300Mhz MIN and 2.266Ghz MAX, right?
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Yes, that's right 300 Mhz-2,26 Ghz.
Not necessary to turn your phone OFF , when it boots it's a process that causes "heat" at the beginning then you will need to let it cool down again. EDIT: oups, you mean the thermal throttling OFF maybe?
Don't touch it for a while, airplane mode can help. If you are in a "hot" country/weather, air cooling, fridge...
We speak about this here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/goo...5-user-benchmark-thread-added-t2506965/page42.

Hammer_Of_The_Gods said:
Hi,
Thermal throttling..., overclocking produces more heat than the stock CPU freq so more thermal throttling. To prevent any damage, the CPU freq decreases according to the CPU temperature...
Let cool down your phone.
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I've let it cool down and I got my old performance back . Never knew the solution would be so simple. Thanks.

Thermal throttling and hotplug settings

I have been able to fix quite a bit of thermal throttling experienced in multiple benchmark runs by tweaking with the thermal-engine configuration file. With just a few changes and with the copper shim mod I can now run geekbench for as many five times with almost no drop in score. After that I get no thermal throttling in single core but I have it setup to disable two cores after it hits 55C CPU temp in core 4 and 7. I use CPU Z to see actual CPU temp from the sensor readings. Even after 8 Geekbench runs the two cores are still running at full speed and the phone is registering 44C. It's warm but not hot by any means.
If anyone is interested in playing around with it just look for the file in \System\etc\thermal-engine-8994.conf
Most of it is just two adjustments. One for Max temperature at which it will throttle and the one below is the temperature at which throttling stops.

probaina said:
I have been able to fix quite a bit of thermal throttling experienced in multiple benchmark runs by tweaking with the thermal-engine configuration file. With just a few changes and with the copper shim mod I can now run geekbench for as many five times with almost no drop in score. After that I get no thermal throttling in single core but I have it setup to disable two cores after it hits 55C CPU temp in core 4 and 7. I use CPU Z to see actual CPU temp from the sensor readings. Even after 8 Geekbench runs the two cores are still running at full speed and the phone is registering 44C. It's warm but not hot by any means.
If anyone is interested in playing around with it just look for the file in \System\etc\thermal-engine-8994.conf
Most of it is just two adjustments. One for Max temperature at which it will throttle and the one below is the temperature at which throttling stops.
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Without your copper shim mod have you found any better but safe values we can try?
At least no thermal throttle until 55 celsiius

It should be safe without the copper shim. The thermal pad it comes with works pretty well. It will still thermal throttle to whatever temperature you set it at so it won't cause any harm.
I've set the Big cluster to a max of 65C and a single A57 core to up to 71C and haven't had any problems yet. I used to get horrible performance with PPSSPP emulator. When running Tony Hawk Project 8 in PPSSPP after 30 seconds of gameplay It used to drop to 6fps and now it can sustain over 20fps after reaching 71C on a single A57 core. I only saw a maximum battery temperature of 40C and the device wasn't noticeably warmer than it was with the default thermal settings.

probaina said:
It should be safe without the copper shim. The thermal pad it comes with works pretty well. It will still thermal throttle to whatever temperature you set it at so it won't cause any harm.
I've set the Big cluster to a max of 65C and a single A57 core to up to 71C and haven't had any problems yet. I used to get horrible performance with PPSSPP emulator. When running Tony Hawk Project 8 in PPSSPP after 30 seconds of gameplay It used to drop to 6fps and now it can sustain over 20fps after reaching 71C on a single A57 core. I only saw a maximum battery temperature of 40C and the device wasn't noticeably warmer than it was with the default thermal settings.
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[SS-LITTLE_CLUSTER_management]
algo_type ss
sampling 10000
sensor xo_therm
device cluster0
set_point 52000
set_point_clr 42000
action_type 10000
I should change for example here set_point to 70000? This is how it works?

kutulu32 said:
[SS-LITTLE_CLUSTER_management]
algo_type ss
sampling 10000
sensor xo_therm
device cluster0
set_point 52000
set_point_clr 42000
action_type 10000
I should change for example here set_point to 70000? This is how it works?
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Well yes. Except that's the little cluster and they don't get that hot normally. It's the big cluster that needs to be modified. I also tuned my display thermals so the screen wouldn't get so dim when the phone gets warm. Here you can look over my configuration if you want.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/1yve5d0m7uin0ga/thermal-engine-8994.conf?dl=0

probaina said:
Well yes. Except that's the little cluster and they don't get that hot normally. It's the big cluster that needs to be modified. I also tuned my display thermals so the screen wouldn't get so dim when the phone gets warm. Here you can look over my configuration if you want.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/1yve5d0m7uin0ga/thermal-engine-8994.conf?dl=0
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Thanks i will try them!!

your settings somehow "unlocked" my phones cpu. lol in geekbench I found an increase of performance of 200 points in multicore from 4020 I had before maximum , now nearly 4300 .It is impressive. also if I run 6-7 geekbench in a row there is a decrease everytime ex 4200 4050 3900 3600..... but temperature stays 45 degree.
I will test them more later.
http://browser.primatelabs.com/user/73366

Someone try this?
Wysłane z mojego LG-H955 przy użyciu Tapatalka

Other than the two of us?

kutulu32 said:
your settings somehow "unlocked" my phones cpu. lol in geekbench I found an increase of performance of 200 points in multicore from 4020 I had before maximum , now nearly 4300 .It is impressive. also if I run 6-7 geekbench in a row there is a decrease everytime ex 4200 4050 3900 3600..... but temperature stays 45 degree.
I will test them more later.
http://browser.primatelabs.com/user/73366
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Thanks for sharing your results. That's the highest multi core score I've seen on our phones. I never gotten that high of a multi core score. Glad to help. My configuration also tweaked the battery thermal settings so now you should see faster charge times as well. The default charge rates had really conservative thermal settings and the high speed charge would drop after a while but now it will 2.2 to 2.4 amp charge through the whole charge.

probaina said:
Thanks for sharing your results. That's the highest multi core score I've seen on our phones. I never gotten that high of a multi core score. Glad to help. My configuration also tweaked the battery thermal settings so now you should see faster charge times as well. The default charge rates had really conservative thermal settings and the high speed charge would drop after a while but now it will 2.2 to 2.4 amp charge through the whole charge.
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Yes indeed i saw a difference in chargin thanks for your effort in the configuration. I am not very fond of benchmarks but i run some in my devices after magor changes (firmware....). This device should have been speedier because of the full hd snapdragon 810 combination. I wonder if we delete the thermal config is the device gonna be speedier? I am waiting for 5.1.1 hoping for smoother rom. Lets hope soneone unlocks the bootloader!!!! I took my precautions disabling MLT lol

probaina said:
Well yes. Except that's the little cluster and they don't get that hot normally. It's the big cluster that needs to be modified. I also tuned my display thermals so the screen wouldn't get so dim when the phone gets warm. Here you can look over my configuration if you want.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/1yve5d0m7uin0ga/thermal-engine-8994.conf?dl=0
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My phone gets really hot with those settings
I overwrote the original one ^^ has someone made a backup and can share it with me.?

I guess it depends on what you're doing but I probably wouldn't play any 3d games with those settings. Here's a copy of the original one https://www.dropbox.com/s/yb76q6qwanb9ujr/thermal-engine-8994.conf?dl=0

smouker said:
My phone gets really hot with those settings
I overwrote the original one ^^ has someone made a backup and can share it with me.?
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When you apply the settings you need to give time to the phone to 'absorve' them.
Run a couple of benchmarks, test a 4k video, reboot the phone 3-4 times, close it also.
I havent noticed higher tdmperature of 45 celsius.

kutulu32 said:
When you apply the settings you need to give time to the phone to 'absorve' them.
Run a couple of benchmarks, test a 4k video, reboot the phone 3-4 times, close it also.
I havent noticed higher tdmperature of 45 celsius.
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I noticed that haha now its fine

kutulu32 said:
Yes indeed i saw a difference in chargin thanks for your effort in the configuration. I am not very fond of benchmarks but i run some in my devices after magor changes (firmware....). This device should have been speedier because of the full hd snapdragon 810 combination. I wonder if we delete the thermal config is the device gonna be speedier? I am waiting for 5.1.1 hoping for smoother rom. Lets hope soneone unlocks the bootloader!!!! I took my precautions disabling MLT lol
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I'm not sure what would happen if you just deleted the file. Maybe it'll revert to some default, or perhaps it won't thermal throttle at all which would result in auto shut off when it overheats. Probably not worth risking it without a custom recovery in case it doesn't boot.
I have notice that my phone is way quicker now. It was fast before but now it's a beast when I push it hard. Also things like PPSSPP emulator was useless with the default thermal throttling now it can beat my Tegra note 7 with 4 A15 cores at 2.1ghz at it.

Was there a problem with your settings? I noticed your settings you had shared on dropbox are no longer available.

uh60james said:
Was there a problem with your settings? I noticed your settings you had shared on dropbox are no longer available.
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The folder was deleted for some odd reason. I was able to restore it so the link should work now. Let me know how it works out for you.

A few questions about these settings.
-At the top where you have SS-Little_Cluster_management and SS-Big_Cluster_management is the set point the shutdown temp for the entire cluster?
-I think this one is self explanatory by the action listed but towards the middle where CPUx_MONITOR for each core is, is the threshold the temperature at which the entire phone shuts down?
-I'm not sure I am noticing the difference between SS-CPUx and CPU_HOTPLUG_MONITOR. Could you explain these?

uh60james said:
A few questions about these settings.
-At the top where you have SS-Little_Cluster_management and SS-Big_Cluster_management is the set point the shutdown temp for the entire cluster?
-I think this one is self explanatory by the action listed but towards the middle where CPUx_MONITOR for each core is, is the threshold the temperature at which the entire phone shuts down?
-I'm not sure I am noticing the difference between SS-CPUx and CPU_HOTPLUG_MONITOR. Could you explain these?
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I don't want to assume I know everything about this. Everything I know about the thermal configuration file I learned from seeing others modify the LG G3 thermal config file. I also learned some by experimenting with my G Flex 2.
In my understanding SS-Little_Cluster_management and SS-Big_Cluster_management is the temperature at which the Cluster will thermal throttle when all cores in the cluster are being used at once. From what I've seen anything with "action_type 10000" means thermal throttle. The closest thing I can think off that works like that is how Intel I5 and I7 will limit turbo speed when more than one core is being used. Except in our case this is to prevent higher speeds when it reaches a certain temperature. So lets say your phone is running some heavy multithreaded app now it's going to follow the rules set in Cluster_management. The default Big Cluster temperature is set to start slowing things down when temperature reaches 48C and to not go back to full speed until the temperature drops down to 38C. One thing I find interesting is that at about 48C cluster temperatures was about where the Big cores would drop to a max of 1.5 ghz. So I'm just guessing that this setting may play a big part on the big cores max speed.
[CPUx_MONITOR] seems to shutdown the phone when the core reaches a certain temperature threshold of 120 C and I assume will not allow it to turn back on until it drops below 115C.
[SS-CPUx] on a big core seems to slow the specific core down when it reaches a temperature threshold of 85C and to not allow it to go to full speed until it drops below 55C. However this rule can be overwritten by [CPUx_HOTPLUG_MONITOR] which can shut down a core even if it hasn't reached it's maximum temperature threshold.
[CPUx_HOTPLUG_MONITOR] just tells the specific core to turn off once it reaches the temperature threshold specified. On the default configuration core 4 and 7 are set to turn off when their temperature goes above 50C. After that core 5 turns off at 58C and even core 6 turns off at 61C. At which point only the small cores will remain on.
I hope that helps somewhat.

Can disabling thermal throttling harm redmi k20 pro? (Using SyberiaOS) (CPU at 77 C)

Currently I am using SyberiaOS for playing games and have noticed that while setting thermal profile to gaming mode. The CPU temps get to 77 C and sometimes even 80 C. Though the battery temps are below 39 C. Then i performed thermal throttle test using the play store app and noticed that in the gaming profile, the CPU doesnt ever throttle which got me concerned and made me realize that in this mode, CPU throttling must be disabled.
My question is while using this mode (No CPU throttling)for 30 mins-1hr, can it damage my phone Soc, screen, etc in some way?
I play genshin impact and within 7 minutes, the phone CPU reached 77 C.
I use CPU meter to check cpu temps.
The CPU seems to maintain at 65 C at normal thermals. (With default mode).

High CPU temperature? Nothing will happen to your phone. Don't worry. When CPU temperature goes too high then Android is smart enough to throttle CPU usage at its own or even to shutdown the phone.

jwoegerbauer said:
High CPU temperature? Nothing will happen to your phone. Don't worry. When CPU temperature goes too high then Android is smart enough to throttle CPU usage at its own or even to shutdown the phone.
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What I am worried more about is other components of the phone. Since, while using the CPU throttle app, it didnt seem to throttle even once, so the only option here is The HW level Soc shutdown under high temps.

Must admit I don't understand what your issue is.
By disabling thermal throttling you may damage your device and at the very least will invalidate your warranty.
As previously said: There is no need for thermal throttling on phone at all, hardware does a good enough job clearing the heat.
Anyway: Look inside here
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