I have been able to fix quite a bit of thermal throttling experienced in multiple benchmark runs by tweaking with the thermal-engine configuration file. With just a few changes and with the copper shim mod I can now run geekbench for as many five times with almost no drop in score. After that I get no thermal throttling in single core but I have it setup to disable two cores after it hits 55C CPU temp in core 4 and 7. I use CPU Z to see actual CPU temp from the sensor readings. Even after 8 Geekbench runs the two cores are still running at full speed and the phone is registering 44C. It's warm but not hot by any means.
If anyone is interested in playing around with it just look for the file in \System\etc\thermal-engine-8994.conf
Most of it is just two adjustments. One for Max temperature at which it will throttle and the one below is the temperature at which throttling stops.
probaina said:
I have been able to fix quite a bit of thermal throttling experienced in multiple benchmark runs by tweaking with the thermal-engine configuration file. With just a few changes and with the copper shim mod I can now run geekbench for as many five times with almost no drop in score. After that I get no thermal throttling in single core but I have it setup to disable two cores after it hits 55C CPU temp in core 4 and 7. I use CPU Z to see actual CPU temp from the sensor readings. Even after 8 Geekbench runs the two cores are still running at full speed and the phone is registering 44C. It's warm but not hot by any means.
If anyone is interested in playing around with it just look for the file in \System\etc\thermal-engine-8994.conf
Most of it is just two adjustments. One for Max temperature at which it will throttle and the one below is the temperature at which throttling stops.
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Without your copper shim mod have you found any better but safe values we can try?
At least no thermal throttle until 55 celsiius
It should be safe without the copper shim. The thermal pad it comes with works pretty well. It will still thermal throttle to whatever temperature you set it at so it won't cause any harm.
I've set the Big cluster to a max of 65C and a single A57 core to up to 71C and haven't had any problems yet. I used to get horrible performance with PPSSPP emulator. When running Tony Hawk Project 8 in PPSSPP after 30 seconds of gameplay It used to drop to 6fps and now it can sustain over 20fps after reaching 71C on a single A57 core. I only saw a maximum battery temperature of 40C and the device wasn't noticeably warmer than it was with the default thermal settings.
probaina said:
It should be safe without the copper shim. The thermal pad it comes with works pretty well. It will still thermal throttle to whatever temperature you set it at so it won't cause any harm.
I've set the Big cluster to a max of 65C and a single A57 core to up to 71C and haven't had any problems yet. I used to get horrible performance with PPSSPP emulator. When running Tony Hawk Project 8 in PPSSPP after 30 seconds of gameplay It used to drop to 6fps and now it can sustain over 20fps after reaching 71C on a single A57 core. I only saw a maximum battery temperature of 40C and the device wasn't noticeably warmer than it was with the default thermal settings.
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[SS-LITTLE_CLUSTER_management]
algo_type ss
sampling 10000
sensor xo_therm
device cluster0
set_point 52000
set_point_clr 42000
action_type 10000
I should change for example here set_point to 70000? This is how it works?
kutulu32 said:
[SS-LITTLE_CLUSTER_management]
algo_type ss
sampling 10000
sensor xo_therm
device cluster0
set_point 52000
set_point_clr 42000
action_type 10000
I should change for example here set_point to 70000? This is how it works?
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Well yes. Except that's the little cluster and they don't get that hot normally. It's the big cluster that needs to be modified. I also tuned my display thermals so the screen wouldn't get so dim when the phone gets warm. Here you can look over my configuration if you want.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/1yve5d0m7uin0ga/thermal-engine-8994.conf?dl=0
probaina said:
Well yes. Except that's the little cluster and they don't get that hot normally. It's the big cluster that needs to be modified. I also tuned my display thermals so the screen wouldn't get so dim when the phone gets warm. Here you can look over my configuration if you want.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/1yve5d0m7uin0ga/thermal-engine-8994.conf?dl=0
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Thanks i will try them!!
your settings somehow "unlocked" my phones cpu. lol in geekbench I found an increase of performance of 200 points in multicore from 4020 I had before maximum , now nearly 4300 .It is impressive. also if I run 6-7 geekbench in a row there is a decrease everytime ex 4200 4050 3900 3600..... but temperature stays 45 degree.
I will test them more later.
http://browser.primatelabs.com/user/73366
Someone try this?
Wysłane z mojego LG-H955 przy użyciu Tapatalka
Other than the two of us?
kutulu32 said:
your settings somehow "unlocked" my phones cpu. lol in geekbench I found an increase of performance of 200 points in multicore from 4020 I had before maximum , now nearly 4300 .It is impressive. also if I run 6-7 geekbench in a row there is a decrease everytime ex 4200 4050 3900 3600..... but temperature stays 45 degree.
I will test them more later.
http://browser.primatelabs.com/user/73366
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Thanks for sharing your results. That's the highest multi core score I've seen on our phones. I never gotten that high of a multi core score. Glad to help. My configuration also tweaked the battery thermal settings so now you should see faster charge times as well. The default charge rates had really conservative thermal settings and the high speed charge would drop after a while but now it will 2.2 to 2.4 amp charge through the whole charge.
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Thanks for sharing your results. That's the highest multi core score I've seen on our phones. I never gotten that high of a multi core score. Glad to help. My configuration also tweaked the battery thermal settings so now you should see faster charge times as well. The default charge rates had really conservative thermal settings and the high speed charge would drop after a while but now it will 2.2 to 2.4 amp charge through the whole charge.
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Yes indeed i saw a difference in chargin thanks for your effort in the configuration. I am not very fond of benchmarks but i run some in my devices after magor changes (firmware....). This device should have been speedier because of the full hd snapdragon 810 combination. I wonder if we delete the thermal config is the device gonna be speedier? I am waiting for 5.1.1 hoping for smoother rom. Lets hope soneone unlocks the bootloader!!!! I took my precautions disabling MLT lol
probaina said:
Well yes. Except that's the little cluster and they don't get that hot normally. It's the big cluster that needs to be modified. I also tuned my display thermals so the screen wouldn't get so dim when the phone gets warm. Here you can look over my configuration if you want.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/1yve5d0m7uin0ga/thermal-engine-8994.conf?dl=0
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My phone gets really hot with those settings
I overwrote the original one ^^ has someone made a backup and can share it with me.?
I guess it depends on what you're doing but I probably wouldn't play any 3d games with those settings. Here's a copy of the original one https://www.dropbox.com/s/yb76q6qwanb9ujr/thermal-engine-8994.conf?dl=0
smouker said:
My phone gets really hot with those settings
I overwrote the original one ^^ has someone made a backup and can share it with me.?
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When you apply the settings you need to give time to the phone to 'absorve' them.
Run a couple of benchmarks, test a 4k video, reboot the phone 3-4 times, close it also.
I havent noticed higher tdmperature of 45 celsius.
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When you apply the settings you need to give time to the phone to 'absorve' them.
Run a couple of benchmarks, test a 4k video, reboot the phone 3-4 times, close it also.
I havent noticed higher tdmperature of 45 celsius.
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I noticed that haha now its fine
kutulu32 said:
Yes indeed i saw a difference in chargin thanks for your effort in the configuration. I am not very fond of benchmarks but i run some in my devices after magor changes (firmware....). This device should have been speedier because of the full hd snapdragon 810 combination. I wonder if we delete the thermal config is the device gonna be speedier? I am waiting for 5.1.1 hoping for smoother rom. Lets hope soneone unlocks the bootloader!!!! I took my precautions disabling MLT lol
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I'm not sure what would happen if you just deleted the file. Maybe it'll revert to some default, or perhaps it won't thermal throttle at all which would result in auto shut off when it overheats. Probably not worth risking it without a custom recovery in case it doesn't boot.
I have notice that my phone is way quicker now. It was fast before but now it's a beast when I push it hard. Also things like PPSSPP emulator was useless with the default thermal throttling now it can beat my Tegra note 7 with 4 A15 cores at 2.1ghz at it.
Was there a problem with your settings? I noticed your settings you had shared on dropbox are no longer available.
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Was there a problem with your settings? I noticed your settings you had shared on dropbox are no longer available.
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The folder was deleted for some odd reason. I was able to restore it so the link should work now. Let me know how it works out for you.
A few questions about these settings.
-At the top where you have SS-Little_Cluster_management and SS-Big_Cluster_management is the set point the shutdown temp for the entire cluster?
-I think this one is self explanatory by the action listed but towards the middle where CPUx_MONITOR for each core is, is the threshold the temperature at which the entire phone shuts down?
-I'm not sure I am noticing the difference between SS-CPUx and CPU_HOTPLUG_MONITOR. Could you explain these?
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A few questions about these settings.
-At the top where you have SS-Little_Cluster_management and SS-Big_Cluster_management is the set point the shutdown temp for the entire cluster?
-I think this one is self explanatory by the action listed but towards the middle where CPUx_MONITOR for each core is, is the threshold the temperature at which the entire phone shuts down?
-I'm not sure I am noticing the difference between SS-CPUx and CPU_HOTPLUG_MONITOR. Could you explain these?
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I don't want to assume I know everything about this. Everything I know about the thermal configuration file I learned from seeing others modify the LG G3 thermal config file. I also learned some by experimenting with my G Flex 2.
In my understanding SS-Little_Cluster_management and SS-Big_Cluster_management is the temperature at which the Cluster will thermal throttle when all cores in the cluster are being used at once. From what I've seen anything with "action_type 10000" means thermal throttle. The closest thing I can think off that works like that is how Intel I5 and I7 will limit turbo speed when more than one core is being used. Except in our case this is to prevent higher speeds when it reaches a certain temperature. So lets say your phone is running some heavy multithreaded app now it's going to follow the rules set in Cluster_management. The default Big Cluster temperature is set to start slowing things down when temperature reaches 48C and to not go back to full speed until the temperature drops down to 38C. One thing I find interesting is that at about 48C cluster temperatures was about where the Big cores would drop to a max of 1.5 ghz. So I'm just guessing that this setting may play a big part on the big cores max speed.
[CPUx_MONITOR] seems to shutdown the phone when the core reaches a certain temperature threshold of 120 C and I assume will not allow it to turn back on until it drops below 115C.
[SS-CPUx] on a big core seems to slow the specific core down when it reaches a temperature threshold of 85C and to not allow it to go to full speed until it drops below 55C. However this rule can be overwritten by [CPUx_HOTPLUG_MONITOR] which can shut down a core even if it hasn't reached it's maximum temperature threshold.
[CPUx_HOTPLUG_MONITOR] just tells the specific core to turn off once it reaches the temperature threshold specified. On the default configuration core 4 and 7 are set to turn off when their temperature goes above 50C. After that core 5 turns off at 58C and even core 6 turns off at 61C. At which point only the small cores will remain on.
I hope that helps somewhat.
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Only for i9505.
Hey guys!
I've been experimenting a lot with my S4 and I figured out why many games lag...
The reason is that my gpu clock drops from max clock I set, to 320mhz once the temperature reaches 68C!
Some may say, this doesn't happen because the gpu doesn't thermal throttle on the S4 like on the HTC One...
Well...I used performance governor which is supposed to keep the gpu clock to the max at all times, and guess what?
When the temperature reached 68C my gpu clock went down to 320mhz even with performance governor!
How is that possible...?
Performance governor can't throttle down!
Thermal throttling is to blame. (or something else, that doesn't care about governors? )
It's not a coincidence this happened at exactly 68C like before.
(If anyone wants to argue with me about this I'd appreciate if he/she doesn't spam my thread for the love of god and pm me.)
Anyway, enough with the prologue..
This was a royal pain in the ass for me because I almost regret selling my silky smooth S3.
After tons of random searching and messing with the system of my phone I found the solution!
Here it is!
Sell your S4!
Nah, I'm just joking!
It's a great phone.
Here's the real solution:
I set
/sys/devices/platform/kgsl-3d0.0/kgsl/kgsl-3d0/min_pwrlevel
to 0 out of curiosity, which controls the lowest power level, or clock, that the gpu will use.
By default it's set at 4.
Since max was already 0 which means it's the highest value I set min to 0 too, and guess what?
The gpu clock remained at my set max, 504mhz, all the time, even after 68C!
Tried three games I know this problem happened and all three worked at 504mhz!
(for pure information, it was Modern Combat 4, Gangstar, and Asphalt 8)
How can you try it?
I've attached two scripts, one that sets the value to 0 and uses max gpu frequency all the time and one that sets the value to 4 so that the gpu can use the lower clock states again!
For Script Manager Users, free
Use script manager as root to run these widgets and I'd recommend you put two widgets on the home screen!
One for the first script enabling this tweak, and one for the second that disables it.
For Tasker Users, need to pay
If you have tasker you could use it too and set it to run the content of the first script as root at every heavy game and enable the tweak automatically, after that use tasker again to run the content of the second script when you go to your home screen (or anything else you want to set) and disable the tweak automatically!
Beware!I will not responsible if you damage your hardware!
Recommended prerequisites:
- Custom kernel preferably ktoonsez's or ausdim's, but any kernel with undervolt and thermal throttling control support will do.
Increased heat may be produced after doing this, so I recommend you to undervolt at least a little to reduce the overall heat, plus increase the thermal throttling limits too to prevent the cpu throttling down.
I use 85 as start limit and 82 as stop limit but you don't have to use my values.
I just find them safe enough and high enough so that they don't interfere with my games.
Try it and report back, many games are way smoother now, at least for me.
I'll be waiting for your results!
Have a nice day guys!
P.S. If you need to tune even more your device, take a look at my personal settings found here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=45103847&postcount=1106
The gaming profiles are set at 1242mhz min now, not 1458mhz like before, because the gpu clocks work properly now the cpu doesn't need that much boost to avoid lag.
And the gpu clock I use now is 504mhz instead of the stock 450mhz in the link.
That's it!
You said that the gpu clock remained at my set max, 504mhz, all the time, even after 68C, but you didn't say how hot it got.
Did it get hotter than that? I'm a bit wary of frying the board to squeeze out a few extra frames on my device, but that's just me.
Haw much does it take you to reach 68° ? I have the 9500 version and i didnt face that problem yet.. it s going warm but doesnt lag
Envoyé depuis mon GT-I9500 en utilisant Tapatalk 4
donalgodon said:
You said that the gpu clock remained at my set max, 504mhz, all the time, even after 68C, but you didn't say how hot it got.
Did it get hotter than that? I'm a bit wary of frying the board to squeeze out a few extra frames on my device, but that's just me.
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You won't don't worry.
Both the cpu and gpu have a tolerance up to 100C, plus the system automatically shuts down before reaching critical high temperature.
For me it didn't get much hotter, only a few degrees.
You can monitor the frequencies and temperature with the Qualcomm Trepn Profiler which is an advanced free monitoring app for Qualcomm devices:
https://developer.qualcomm.com/mobile-development/performance-tools/trepn-profiler
or
you can use this app by senior member @rlorange which is much simpler and gets the job done just right:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=44953638&postcount=3547
3ayachi said:
Haw much does it take you to reach 68° ? I have the 9500 version and i didnt face that problem yet.. it s going warm but doesnt lag
Envoyé depuis mon GT-I9500 en utilisant Tapatalk 4
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Sorry but this is not for the i9500, this is the first thing I wrote.
I don't even know if this happens on your device mate.
Anyway, it doesn't take much, play a heavy game for a few minutes an you'll reach 68C.
Updated link with my settings, now it's correct.
Sorry about that.
Is it possible to change this value without a reboot ? Like in a small app for example ?
Hey buddy...juz chk yu are having any thermald file under /system/etc...??
thanks mate!! It's working perfectly
So this won't work with a rooted s4 on stock rom and kernel?
If not I'm returning my phone. I played vice city today and the lag was terrible. I've only had this phone for two days and I'm dissatisfied with verizon and samsung for gimping it and then locking it down.
imo, companies advertising the power of their chips is false advertising when they set temperature throttle so low
crazysoccerman said:
So this won't work with a rooted s4 on stock rom and kernel?
If not I'm returning my phone. I played vice city today and the lag was terrible. I've only had this phone for two days and I'm dissatisfied with verizon and samsung for gimping it and then locking it down.
imo, companies advertising the power of their chips is false advertising when they set temperature throttle so low
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No mate, I'm sorry.
But good news is Samsung WILL fix your phone no matter knox 0x0 or 0x1.
(confirmed)
So flash your device and try again!
I must agree, companies are full of crap when advertising their products, it's so furstrating!
This throttling issue happens with any device, including iDevices.
Bootloader is locked. Most likely forever.
Don't have MDK so I cant loki.
Even with safestrap (which doesn't work for my MJ7) you can't flash custom kernels.
This phone is going back :good:
I'm going back to my trusty gnex for now. It would probably play GTA better at s4 resolution because I overclocked it and disabled thermal throttling.
Maybe I'll get a g2 with loki support...
Either way, I would like to give a Linus Torvalds Salute™ to samsung and verizon.
Too bad. :/
Wait for some exynos device or anyone with custom cpu/gpu because qualcomm imho isn't good enough.
I got this to work on my s4. Are there similar settings I can modify to prevent cpu throttling?
Edit: cpu throttling settings exist. But it wasn't throttling... it was changing governer and minimum frequency.
I set the governer to performance with root explorer and it's working perfectly.
Thanks op for the location of the gpu settings. There was no way I would have found it without your post.
I've tested it (works fine) but I have the feeling that somehow the phone is too warm
crazysoccerman said:
I got this to work on my s4. Are there similar settings I can modify to prevent cpu throttling?
Edit: cpu throttling settings exist. But it wasn't throttling... it was changing governer and minimum frequency.
I set the governer to performance with root explorer and it's working perfectly.
Thanks op for the location of the gpu settings. There was no way I would have found it without your post.
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btmz said:
I've tested it (works fine) but I have the feeling that somehow the phone is too warm
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Glad it worked guys!
Well, the temperature will definitely increase because of the increased gpu clock speed, but as long as cpu throttling temp is <=85 you should be fine.
That's what I've been searching for all day, I knew this device can handle those games, but the random stuttering was painful.
It lowers the GPU to 128 MHz, I measured that when I played Apshalt 8 and got my TricksterMod set in background. When the game dropped massive FPS I switched to Trickster and saw that the GPU is running 128 MHz, shocking. Ktoon's kernel has a touch boost which works nicely but Asphalt 8 is a racing game that uses the sensors to steer and so I did not touch my screen so often and I need that.
You sir deserve a medal.
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That's what I've been searching for all day, I knew this device can handle those games, but the random stuttering was painful.
It lowers the GPU to 128 MHz, I measured that when I played Apshalt 8 and got my TricksterMod set in background. When the game dropped massive FPS I switched to Trickster and saw that the GPU is running 128 MHz, shocking. Ktoon's kernel has a touch boost which works nicely but Asphalt 8 is a racing game that uses the sensors to steer and so I did not touch my screen so often and I need that.
You sir deserve a medal.
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Thanks man!
I knew something was off the minute I started playing modern combat 3 and saw the same performance as my S3.
I researched quite a bit and found this in the end.
I even got in an argument with a guy at ausdim's kernel thread about this because he was saying I was talking nonsense and he wanted proof in order to believe me.
Well, here it is.
nfsmw_gr said:
Thanks man!
I knew something was off the minute I started playing modern combat 3 and saw the same performance as my S3.
I researched quite a bit and found this in the end.
I even got in an argument with a guy at ausdim's kernel thread about this because he was saying I was talking nonsense and he wanted proof in order to believe me.
Well, here it is.
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Ah, yeah no one can say to me that the games run buttery smooth without any modification.
A game does not run smooth on 128 MHz.
And all those amateur reboot your device and etc... They are complete nonsense.
I want ask a thing before flashing... Is this only an unlock and gpu scales the frequencies as it needs or I have always gpu freq at max on depending on what I'm doing? I hope this only unlock the max frequency otherwise became e battery drainer hack! Tell me guy!
From universe with my gs4 snapdragon powered!
will try it, nice work!
Got My N5 today, its awesome,
Looks like the performance is so so, the phone heats up too quickly and CPU performance goes down,
If I do Antutu when its warm I get less than 20K in it
If I let it rest for some time and then do it I get a score of 25+
Looks like the device has heat issues
are you guys facing the same issues?
Two-part solution: Stop running benchmark tests and flash Franco kernel.
And, search before you post. Lots of threads on performance benchmarks
I see so many people who care what a benchmark score is.
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Got My N5 today, its awesome,
Looks like the performance is so so, the phone heats up too quickly and CPU performance goes down,
If I do Antutu when its warm I get less than 20K in it
If I let it rest for some time and then do it I get a score of 25+
Looks like the device has heat issues
are you guys facing the same issues?
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its not a heat issue. it will get hot with use, especially with antutu benchmark, its a 2.3ghz quad core phone without an active cooling system, what do you expect? anyways, the reason performance goes down when hot is because of heat throttling. your phone does this when going over a certain temp. it drops the cpu speed and number of cores used until it cools down. there are ways around this. you can root your phone and flash a kernel that lets you disable thermal throttle. then all your left with is the safety reboot temp of 100C. when reaching this temp, the phone will automatically shut down. or you can put your phone into a freezer until the cpu temp is below 10C, then run the benchmark.
Hey guys,
i just got my LG G Flex 2 here in germany for christmas and im very happy with it
But there is 1 but important (for me) problem.
It only uses 6 out of 8 cores and the max clock is ONLY 1.6 GHz...
in Antutu im even behind the LG G4 with that "SLOWER HEXACORE" ...
Can someone help me and tell me how to get rid of those 2 problems and get 2 GHz for the Big Cores?
Also, how to easily root my german H955 with Android 5.1.1 ?
Thanks for answers and help
Edit: I got "V15-c-EUR-XX"
Edit2: GPU runs 600 MHz max instead of 650 MHz ...what did they do with my phone
Edit3: I already checked temps, before you ask. 35-40°C max.... i dont think it should throttle at that low temperature.
Okay, now, on the next day it shows up to 1950 MHz for those 4 cores.
Seems to be a temperature problem at only 35 °C ...
Whats the easiest method for rooting the flex 2 (V15-c-EUR-XX) ?
I am not sure if for this phone is the same, but sometimes if u have low battery the kernel switch some core off.
Its normal,sometimes it underclocks the CPU and not always is phone running on 8 cores.... And what about GPU? Well,i have same distribution (DEU) and max is 600 MHz,but currently i have it on 305 MHz. Personally,i never saw higher clock of the GPU,and i own this device for almost month.
Edit: the GPU underclock may be caused by Energy saving mode. However,this has no impact on CPU,CPU-Z shows 1,96 GHz even in Energy saving mode. I had same problems too,CPU-Z showed 1,56 GHz maximum,after restart 1,96 GHz max.
Thanks for the responses. One last question. Why do i get only 60k in Antutu where others get 75k+ without fridge or such?
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Thanks for the responses. One last question. Why do i get only 60k in Antutu where others get 75k+ without fridge or such?
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Well. about an hour ago i ran Antutu test and got 68 000 points. However,it was much worse before (first antutu test had 48 000 points and i was shocked). There are many things that can influence the score. For example-power saving mode,current RAM status (how many apps you got in background),battery percentage and temperature. Maybe best time for test is cold start,when you jump right to Antutu after start (of course not right after,phone needs some time),because you have lowest temperature,highest free RAM and no background apps. If i did such test, i would score more points i think. And last thing-the performance drops significantly when you do many tests in in a row (i mean 1st test and then in about 10 secs other one)
YourComrade said:
Well. about an hour ago i ran Antutu test and got 68 000 points. However,it was much worse before (first antutu test had 48 000 points and i was shocked). There are many things that can influence the score. For example-power saving mode,current RAM status (how many apps you got in background),battery percentage and temperature. Maybe best time for test is cold start,when you jump right to Antutu after start (of course not right after,phone needs some time),because you have lowest temperature,highest free RAM and no background apps. If i did such test, i would score more points i think. And last thing-the performance drops significantly when you do many tests in in a row (i mean 1st test and then in about 10 secs other one)
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Yeah my performance also seems to increase over time. Weird.
And yes this soc throttles easily. But it doesnt get as hot as my nexus 5 was sometimes with benchmarks and is still faster when throttled. Would not call this processor a fail at all.
Still hoping that the SD820 will be better in thermals though. But this chip is still more than what I need.
How is the battery life when it runs on lower clock speed?
Can someone please use the phone with underclocked cpu (1.6 or 1.8GHz) for some days and post the experience on battery, temperature and phone responsiveness? Thanks.
Battery life is not improved when the phone runs in 1.6 GHz mode. I usually get about 3 h screen on time. The phone heats up a lot under load. I never saw my phone using the full potential with this Snapdragon 810 CPU. It always runs at 1.6 GHz and that seems to be fixed by the ROM on mine.
So my Moto X Pure only gets around 5 hours SOT and around 2-3 hours playing games. I seen a 3200 mAh battery replacement on Amazon and I'm wondering if anyone has tried it? I'm using the Resurrection Remix OS with my CPU set to power save in the battery options. Please post your battery stats and ROM information so I can see if my phone would benefit from a battery change.
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So my Moto X Pure only gets around 5 hours SOT and around 2-3 hours playing games. I seen a 3200 mAh battery replacement on Amazon and I'm wondering if anyone has tried it? I'm using the Resurrection Remix OS with my CPU set to power save in the battery options. Please post your battery stats and ROM information so I can see if my phone would benefit from a battery change.
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LoL... With your SOT and game times, your battery is holding up pretty well. I would not expect much of an increase from any battery replacement you may get.
Regarding batteries from Amazon, be wary-especially of those claiming more mAh. Typically higher mAh means a larger battery so be skeptical. Based on what I have read in forums and reviews, it seems many of the batteries for this phone from Amazon, regardless of advertised mAh, have been hit or miss. Some manage to do well for 3 to 6 months then problems start.
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LoL... With your SOT and game times, your battery is holding up pretty well. I would not expect much of an increase from any battery replacement you may get.
Regarding batteries from Amazon, be wary-especially of those claiming more mAh. Typically higher mAh means a larger battery so be skeptical. Based on what I have read in forums and reviews, it seems many of the batteries for this phone from Amazon, regardless of advertised mAh, have been hit or miss. Some manage to do well for 3 to 6 months then problems start.
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I lowered my GPU frequency to 300 MHz that seemed to help a lot especially when playing games my battery doesn't drain as fast. I even lowered my screen resolution to 720p and set my GPU frequency to 180 MHz. The OS is smooth but when I start playing some 3D games you can definitely notice FPS drop so I put it back at 300 MHz. I couldn't increase my battery by lowering my CPU frequency for some reason my battery life seems worse when I try to mess with the CPU. The only thing I managed to do was disable my big cores in kernel auditor when they aren't needed and setting my low memory killer to aggressive in kernel auditor seemed to help my battery as well. That's just my personal experience hopefully someone will get something out of it.
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I lowered my GPU frequency to 300 MHz that seemed to help a lot especially when playing games my battery doesn't drain as fast. I even lowered my screen resolution to 720p and set my GPU frequency to 180 MHz. The OS is smooth but when I start playing some 3D games you can definitely notice FPS drop so I put it back at 300 MHz. I couldn't increase my battery by lowering my CPU frequency for some reason my battery life seems worse when I try to mess with the CPU. The only thing I managed to do was disable my big cores in kernel auditor when they aren't needed and setting my low memory killer to aggressive in kernel auditor seemed to help my battery as well. That's just my personal experience hopefully someone will get something out of it.
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The CPU for the most part does pretty well scaling up and down based off processing needs. You probably just don't have CPU intensive apps so didn't notice much. You notice the GPU while playing games though. I think for the most part setting to a lower resolution might help with games at lower frequencies on the GPU in terms of maintaining higher fps at lower frequencies, but a 5.5 2K screen with simulated 720p probably doesn't net much battery life in other usage areas.
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The CPU for the most part does pretty well scaling up and down based off processing needs. You probably just don't have CPU intensive apps so didn't notice much. You notice the GPU while playing games though. I think for the most part setting to a lower resolution might help with games at lower frequencies on the GPU in terms of maintaining higher fps at lower frequencies, but a 5.5 2K screen with simulated 720p probably doesn't net much battery life in other usage areas.
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Right I am able to keep my GPU on power save and it'll sit on 180 MHz and the OS is still smooth on 720p if I bump it up to 1080p I'll have to put the frequency at 300 MHz or else it'll lag. I noticed when I move through the OS the GPU will jump to unnecessary frequencies like 300 MHz or even 450 MHz. Keeping it locked to 180 MHz while using Firefox or watching YouTube helped a little bit. The main problem for me is the lack of kernels to choose from. I used this tutorial https://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-5x/general/guide-advanced-interactive-governor-t3269557 to tune my CPU governor since the Nexus 5X has the same SOC but my rom Remix OS has a feature called CPU boost that I can't turn off unless I flash another kernel. The problem with the Moto X Pure is that it doesn't have many custom kernels. I managed to find one that works with my rom but the camera doesn't work. I could simply go to another rom but they lack the customization Remix has and some of them have SeLinux set to permissive and I don't really feel like dealing with escalation attacks and having my bank information stolen.
Hybrid Theory said:
Right I am able to keep my GPU on power save and it'll sit on 180 MHz and the OS is still smooth on 720p if I bump it up to 1080p I'll have to put the frequency at 300 MHz or else it'll lag. I noticed when I move through the OS the GPU will jump to unnecessary frequencies like 300 MHz or even 450 MHz. Keeping it locked to 180 MHz while using Firefox or watching YouTube helped a little bit. The main problem for me is the lack of kernels to choose from. I used this tutorial https://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-5x/general/guide-advanced-interactive-governor-t3269557 to tune my CPU governor since the Nexus 5X has the same SOC but my rom Remix OS has a feature called CPU boost that I can't turn off unless I flash another kernel. The problem with the Moto X Pure is that it doesn't have many custom kernels. I managed to find one that works with my rom but the camera doesn't work. I could simply go to another rom but they lack the customization Remix has and some of them have SeLinux set to permissive and I don't really feel like dealing with escalation attacks and having my bank information stolen.
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Wow. Since I first got the phone 3 years ago, i personally just have had very little time to delve much into doing custom ROMs and kernels for this device due to work scheduling I'm moving to a new job this month and should have more time on my hands. I'm probably going to get back into things.
aybarrap1 said:
Wow. Since I first got the phone 3 years ago, i personally just have had very little time to delve much into doing custom ROMs and kernels for this device due to work scheduling I'm moving to a new job this month and should have more time on my hands. I'm probably going to get back into things.
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I'd compile a kernel for lineage based roms with the nougat modem but I'm not that smart I don't even have a computer to do it with lol.
So I went ahead and installed the EX Kernel Manager app and I downloaded the Hawktail governor profile. After doing that my battery went from 2-3 hours SOT to 4-6 SOT from 100%. When I play slither.io on the default CPU setup my battery would drop 10% every 10-15 minutes. With the Hawktail profile it drops 10% every 30-40 minutes. I thought this was incredible because NFC and Bluetooth was still on. I also found that the Alucard CPU governor gave me similar results during my observations. I really hope somebody else can benefit from this thread.
Here is the download link https://androidfilehost.com/?fid=24686679545610694
Remove the .txt extension and put it on your micro SD card or in the ElementalX folder. From the Ex Kernel Manager app go to CPU>Governor Options>Load then load the HawkTail file then click apply on boot.
Currently I am using SyberiaOS for playing games and have noticed that while setting thermal profile to gaming mode. The CPU temps get to 77 C and sometimes even 80 C. Though the battery temps are below 39 C. Then i performed thermal throttle test using the play store app and noticed that in the gaming profile, the CPU doesnt ever throttle which got me concerned and made me realize that in this mode, CPU throttling must be disabled.
My question is while using this mode (No CPU throttling)for 30 mins-1hr, can it damage my phone Soc, screen, etc in some way?
I play genshin impact and within 7 minutes, the phone CPU reached 77 C.
I use CPU meter to check cpu temps.
The CPU seems to maintain at 65 C at normal thermals. (With default mode).
High CPU temperature? Nothing will happen to your phone. Don't worry. When CPU temperature goes too high then Android is smart enough to throttle CPU usage at its own or even to shutdown the phone.
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High CPU temperature? Nothing will happen to your phone. Don't worry. When CPU temperature goes too high then Android is smart enough to throttle CPU usage at its own or even to shutdown the phone.
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What I am worried more about is other components of the phone. Since, while using the CPU throttle app, it didnt seem to throttle even once, so the only option here is The HW level Soc shutdown under high temps.
Must admit I don't understand what your issue is.
By disabling thermal throttling you may damage your device and at the very least will invalidate your warranty.
As previously said: There is no need for thermal throttling on phone at all, hardware does a good enough job clearing the heat.
Anyway: Look inside here
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