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When you run quadrant (I'm aware its inaccurate, I'm just curious) why is the CPU section of the nexus one (2.2) and the evo so large compared to ours even with OC?
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sixstringsg said:
When you run quadrant (I'm aware its inaccurate, I'm just curious) why is the CPU section of the nexus one (2.2) and the evo so large compared to ours even with OC?
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The Snapdragon is better at math-heavy operations than the Hummingbird. This is what the CPU portion of Quadrant is testing. This is also why the Snapdragon gets about 2.5-3x the score in Linpack.
Hi i was having a big argue with a friend so Im asking this here
I'll take HTC wildfire as example at the whole post!
So I was saying that wildfire doesn't have a gpu. My friend said "not true....every phone has a gpu otherwise the screen would have no signal cause the graphic part can not be calculated"
so I said "in the wildfire the cpu calculates the graphic part "
He said "no....the cpu need a gpu to do it "
So I said " ok so he doesn't have a dedicated gpu " and he said that its impossible for a phone to have a dedicated gpu cause the case its not big enough to keep it in ....
So the point is
- for me wildfire doesn't have any gpu and the calculation of the graphic part belongs only to the cpu -according to my friend every phone has a gpu like the one in the nexus s or in any other top range phone ..
Thanks in advance for answers!!
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CPU, GPU, APU, the lines have been blurred. It really doesn't matter.
You have soc "cpu" which contains a lot more than just a CPU, a5x is more a gpu than CPU, and APU designs that do both tasks well. CPU/GPU traditional systems are quickly becoming a thing of the past.
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Thanks for the reply!
I believe you but wildfire does have a gpu or it does not?
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thyeme said:
Thanks for the reply!
I believe you but wildfire does have a gpu or it does not?
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Right, it doesn't have a dedicated GPU in it's SoC. Graphics processing is pushed to the CPU, which is why it kinda sucks for playing movies.
So it doesn't have a dedicated gpu or it doesn't have a gpu at all?!
Cause he said that a dedicates gpu its too big for a phone....
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thyeme said:
Thanks for the reply!
I believe you but wildfire does have a gpu or it does not?
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It does. Your friend is right, if there is no GPU then there would be no signal to your screen.
thyeme said:
So it doesn't have a dedicated gpu or it doesn't have a gpu at all?!
Cause he said that a dedicates gpu its too big for a phone....
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A lot of high-end phones have had dedicated GPUs for a long time now, the Krait S4 uses the Adreno 225 GPU.
Just like in bargain pc's, if the SoC doesn't have a dedicated GPU then it has an integrated GPU. You need graphics processing to have a screen, so its happening somewhere. You just get very bad results without a dedicated GPU.
The Wildfire runs MSM7225 at 600MHz I think, which has a cut-down Adreno 200.
All phones possess a GPU of sorts, although it is usually part of the SoC in modern smartphones. Even feature phones have a 'GPU', although it's usually just a basic Boradcom display controller with no 3D or video acceleration support
So I'm now thinking about the tegra 3 .... it does have an integrated gpu right?!
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thyeme said:
So I'm now thinking about the tegra 3 .... it does have an integrated gpu right?!
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Yep. A pretty good one.
Ok so I'm not understanding .... tegra 3 doesn't have a dedicated gpu but, of course, it does have impressive results...
So what's the difference ( in the construction) between wildfire gpu and the tegra 3 one?
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thyeme said:
Ok so I'm not understanding .... tegra 3 doesn't have a dedicated gpu but, of course, it does have impressive results...
So what's the difference ( in the construction) between wildfire gpu and the tegra 3 one?
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We're entering the realm of SoCs now. Tegra is both a CPU and a GPU at the same time.
thyeme said:
Ok so I'm not understanding .... tegra 3 doesn't have a dedicated gpu but, of course, it does have impressive results...
So what's the difference ( in the construction) between wildfire gpu and the tegra 3 one?
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I'll generalise for you:
In all modern smartphones, no matter what SoC is used, a 'piece' of the package is the GPU. Technically, they are integrated. This is common across all manufacturers, as separate chips for everything wastes power and PCB space.
To answer your question, in terms of contruction there are no differences. Adreno 200 is a small 'piece' of the MSM7225 chip, while whatever Tegra 3's GPU is called is a small 'piece' of the Tegra 3 chip
I'm just curious does anyone have an educated guess as to what this CPU could be pushed too? I know with my G2 stock clock was 810 mhz and was easily doubled. Does this mean potentially pushing both cores to 3 GHZ ?
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You can't push a device from 1.5GHz to +3.0GHz I doubt it.
It'll just overheat if you attempt to.
1.8/1.9GHz will be fine.
Well i assumed as much, but if the stock clock is already this high i would assume we could get it to go quite a bit more
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What is the purpose of making it go that high?
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What is the purpose of making it go that high?
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That wasn't the question, and is completely irrelevant. I'm just curious as to what the theoretical peak frequency for the S4 CPU is.
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with the sensation (also snapdragon 1.5gz) it was safe to use at around 1.8ghz max...
I wouldnt push it much further than this as the risks triple. The last thing you want is a fried processor.
Thats if you feel you need OC anyway, I dont think this devices needs it at all. But hey, each to their own i guess
Good question. On my g2 I was able to go from 810mhz to 1.9ghz stable. I don't see why we wouldn't be able to push it up to there if the first gen spandragon could do it.
Also yeah, there isn't a point in doing so. Some people are overclockers for the pure hell of it. If you have to ask "what's the point" then you shouldn't even post on here anyway.
The dev that made setcpu posted his one x pc'd to 1.8ghz stable and said the script should soon be integrated into the app. Also commented it will be available for the one s too. It was on Twitter (forgot Twitter tag).
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Sensation was an older snapdragon, we could get more out of ours. It depends on if you want daily driver speed or pure power.
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I want to play with overclocked Krait A-15 before I left
I would want pure power for benchmarks and enough power for games and heavy processes. I would also love to undervolt and underclock for battery gains.
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Hey guys,
Had a question regarding overclocking. I have root n installed setCPU. The max limit is 1500Mhz. However with max settings the performance is the same. Is there a way to go above this limit with root + stock Rom?
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Do you really need to overclock it? It's the most powerful phone out there, with a processor that is ridiculously fast as is. What do you expect to get out of overclocking?
I am jus looking to see the phone operate at max capabilities. And also the responsiveness is really good after setting it to max values currently so just a bit of curiosity as to how far can I stretch the limit of the phone
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Have you tried the dual core mod? I have noticed an increase in responsiveness after flashing it. Right up your alley methinks.
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FYI
Until we get custom kernel overclocking isn't really an option even with the mode that OC's you to 1.8ghz there's little to no difference. Cheers.
This may be off topic but why 1.8? Was that value chosen arbitrarily?
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The overclock speed is determined by what voltage we can get the CPU up to safely without burning it.
1809mhz (1.809ghz) is the fastest we can go right now though this could easily change with the kernel source.
And 1.8 does feel faster, but it really isn't necessary. I haven't come acorss something yet that makes this phone skip a beat.
Yes but how did you decide that this was a safe value? Is it from stress testing and monitoring the temperature? Or is it like in the HTC Aria where the CPU in the phone was actually spec'ed to run 200Mhz higher than what the phone shipped with? Or something else?
fluxgfx said:
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Until we get custom kernel overclocking isn't really an option even with the mode that OC's you to 1.8ghz there's little to no difference. Cheers.
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Little to no difference? It's either overclocked or not. The heat parameters are one thing but it is overclocked.
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From what I've read about the CPU and the archetecture the processor should run 2.5Ghz I dunno at what voltage. Also can handle 64gb memory and 2gb ddr2. Personally I'd never run the CPU to 2.5Ghz seeing how that'd result in about 1.75x the amount of Mv's the chip is getting at stock and no internal cooler.
They designed the CPU to run at 2.5Ghz btw. But a phone doesn't need to hit that.. a laptop yeah. Tablet maybe? A phone, no, to small. Also not every phone will hit the same overclock no two dies are the same. The closer you get to the center of the silicon the more stable chip. The very out side chips aren't as stable so also 1.5-2.0ghz seems the best trade off for this variance.
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From what I've read about the CPU and the archetecture the processor should run 2.5Ghz I dunno at what voltage. Also can handle 64gb memory and 2gb ddr2. Personally I'd never run the CPU to 2.5Ghz seeing how that'd result in about 1.75x the amount of Mv's the chip is getting at stock and no internal cooler.
They designed the CPU to run at 2.5Ghz btw. But a phone doesn't need to hit that.. a laptop yeah. Tablet maybe? A phone, no, to small. Also not every phone will hit the same overclock no two dies are the same. The closer you get to the center of the silicon the more stable chip. The very out side chips aren't as stable so also 1.5-2.0ghz seems the best trade off for this variance.
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Very true, my Xooms tegra2 can hit 1.7GHz no problem whereas my Atrix never hit 1.3GHz without crashing. Both use the same chip set.
Hail Cobra!
Can you imagine 2.5GHz tho :O
I'd do it, run linpack, take screenshot and then never do it again lol
Hail Cobra!
As of right now 1.8GHz is extremely snappy, I would love a 2.0GHz module just to say my phone can clock the same as a desktop computer.
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They designed the CPU to run at 2.5Ghz btw. But a phone doesn't need to hit that.. a laptop yeah. Tablet maybe? A phone, no, to small. Also not every phone will hit the same overclock no two dies are the same. The closer you get to the center of the silicon the more stable chip. The very out side chips aren't as stable so also 1.5-2.0ghz seems the best trade off for this variance.
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My chip was from dead center of the silicon, the ultimate in stable overclockability. Other chips fought hard to reach the center of the silicon, but 'twas my chip that prevailed. Just thought you should know that.
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My chip was from dead center of the silicon, the ultimate in stable overclockability. Other chips fought hard to reach the center of the silicon, but 'twas my chip that prevailed. Just thought you should know that.
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Nuh uh, mine is the most overclockable in the whole wide world!
Hail Cobra!
ChongoDroid said:
Nuh uh, mine is the most overclockable in the whole wide world!
Hail Cobra!
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Listen here buddy, I will put my chip up against your chip ANY DAY OF THE WEEK
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Listen here buddy, I will put my chip up against your chip ANY DAY OF THE WEEK
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I just found out I have a stuck pixel... we'll have to postpone as I will be crying and madly swearing at the sky all week.
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ChongoDroid said:
I just found out I have a stuck pixel... we'll have to postpone as I will be crying and madly swearing at the sky all week.
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Shouldn't have run that LCD tester app huh? I've got dust under my screen right where the beats audio logo is, making it an imperfect circle. I think it adds character.
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ECEXCURSION said:
Shouldn't have run that LCD tester app huh? I've got dust under my screen right where the beats audio logo is, making it an imperfect circle. I think it adds character.
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Every real Android device has one fault at least
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hate to ressurect an old thread.. but im running 1.8ghz currently
wondering.. what is a SAFE TEMP for these north american One X cpu's and batterys??
KRAIT
vs
EXYNOS
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TEGRA 3
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CORTEX A9
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SNAPDRAGON
Which of these processors has a better performance?
Which one do you think can render a powerful, better, faster and stronger performance?
Suggest if there is any other!
I don't know but the prozessor of the new HTC One should be the best .
HTC ONE comes with Qualcomm® Snapdragon™ 600 1.7 GHz quad core processor :good:
Yeah lets see what others have to say!
shashivydyula said:
HTC ONE comes with Qualcomm® Snapdragon™ 600 1.7 GHz quad core processor :good:
Yeah lets see what others have to say!
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Yes
Snapdragon 800
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andr4e said:
Snapdragon 800
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It's Snapdragon 600 not 800
http://www.htc.com/us/smartphones/htc-one/#specs