Greetings!
Our tablet (GT-P5210) is extremely close to the makings of an ativ tab 3. I'm researching anything I can that surrounds Intel based tablets (more specifically the clover-trail/clover-trail+ platforms) and how roms are flashed to them. I've found that in order to flash any Samsung windows based device, you must plug in a keyboard. Has anyone tried holding the windows key down at boot using a regular keyboard using the otg cable and a properly formatted SD card or USB stick with Windows 8.1 32-bit, all to see if anything happens at all on our tabs? I seriously doubt anything will come of it as the boot loader is for android, but you never know...
Also, I found this on the Microsoft website:
http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/wind...m=gt-p5210&Type=Hardware&tempOsid=Windows 8.1
Interesting to say the least...
How can we go about adding an option into CWM or TWRP to boot from sd card? That may be all we need...
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I'm willing to throw a couple litecoins into a pool to get this going. I don't think a bounty could hurt....
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I'm researching how to chainload something on our devices...
I'm thinking if I can get a multirom cooked up with the second rom being a simple chainloader to another bootloader, we may have something. Someone please provide input as i'm blindly going about this...
mobile_mogul said:
Update:
I'm researching how to chainload something on our devices...
I'm thinking if I can get a multirom cooked up with the second rom being a simple chainloader to another bootloader, we may have something. Someone please provide input as i'm blindly going about this...
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I'd love to help you with this any way I can, PM me?
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I'd love to help you with this any way I can, PM me?
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We need to get this ported in...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2011403
After that, we should be able to boot some sort of a linux distro... Which is a step in the right direction.
mobile_mogul said:
We need to get this ported in...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2011403
After that, we should be able to boot some sort of a linux distro... Which is a step in the right direction.
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Way easier said than done. Forgetting for a second that it's a completely different bootloader, much of the intel-specific things are not available in the source tree. Not impossible, but it's a fairly large project.
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mobile_mogul said:
We need to get this ported in...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2011403
After that, we should be able to boot some sort of a linux distro... Which is a step in the right direction.
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That being said, I'm still willing to go the mile.
I don't think it's a full bootloader...
I believe the mod is of 3 parts:
1.) A mod to TWRP (Adds the multiboot option to advanced)
2.) Kernel Edit (kexec-hardboot patch)
3.) The multirom.zip mod files.
I've been wanting to do the same thing since the Tab 3 came out I also came to the same conclusions as you but I didn't know about the multiboot tool
I'm sure we can do SOMETHING if some people smarter than us work on it I think Linux will be easy and even Windows can be made to work on the tab 3
Only time will tell though
Good luch
@mobile_mogul I'll try the keyboard thing and report back. AFAIK i don't think it's going to work as Samsng uses their own custom bootloader.
But who knows
If only this was possible !!!
Wow, talk about trying to shove a square peg into a round hole. Even if it was possible and I highly doubt it, the experience would be dreadful at best. With only 1GB RAM, 16GB of slow SSD space, a CPU that has half of the CPU score that a current Quadcore Atom tablet has, I shudder the thought.You are much better in trying to get Android working on a Dell Venue Pro 8, which is a fantastic tablet by the way, than the other way around. It would also benefit a much larger community, where as this maybe a handful would want.
What do you have against Tab 3 10.1 ?
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Wow, talk about trying to shove a square peg into a round hole. Even if it was possible and I highly doubt it, the experience would be dreadful at best. With only 1GB RAM, 16GB of slow SSD space, a CPU that has half of the CPU score that a current Quadcore Atom tablet has, I shudder the thought.You are much better in trying to get Android working on a Dell Venue Pro 8, which is a fantastic tablet by the way, than the other way around. It would also benefit a much larger community, where as this maybe a handful would want.
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I wonder what's wrong with you !!! Because we were on another discussion about Tab 3 8.0 vs Tab 3 10.1 earler
Windows is running on a friend computer which have Intel Genuine T2050 CPU and 1gb of RAM !!!
It's just running fine !
Genuine CPU should NOT such faster than Atom Z2560. And Atom Z2560 does support Intel VT-X and HyperThreading Technology.
Go here and read comments.
Windows 8 requires almost the same thing as Windows 7.
Windows 8/7 canNOT run on an ARM arch anyhow !!! While it's possible for Tab 3 if you've the necessary knowledge.
Don't Compare an x86 CPU to a QuadCore Armel cpu
All QuadCores won't pass x86 CPUs, True Octa Cores and CPUs with Krait instead of Cortex should perform better.
Even if you have 2X True Octa Cores CPU (16 Cores) you canNOT install anyhow Windows 8 on it unless you've an ISO for ARM CPUs.
If you don't like Tab 3, you should simply headout the forum :silly:
(Kidding )
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I wonder what's wrong with you !!! Because we were on another discussion about Tab 3 8.0 vs Tab 3 10.1 earler
Windows is running on a friend computer which have Intel Genuine T2050 CPU and 1gb of RAM !!!
It's just running fine !
Genuine CPU should NOT such faster than Atom Z2560. And Atom Z2560 does support Intel VT-X and HyperThreading Technology.
Go here and read comments.
Windows 8 requires almost the same thing as Windows 7.
Windows 8/7 canNOT run on an ARM arch anyhow !!! While it's possible for Tab 3 if you've the necessary knowledge.
Don't Compare an x86 CPU to a QuadCore Armel cpu
All QuadCores won't pass x86 CPUs, True Octa Cores and CPUs with Krait instead of Cortex should perform better.
Even if you have 2X True Octa Cores CPU (16 Cores) you canNOT install anyhow Windows 8 on it unless you've an ISO for ARM CPUs.
If you don't like Tab 3, you should simply headout the forum :silly:
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I wasn't talking about ARM, never came up. I was refering to the Intel Quad Core Atom CPU's found in almost every Windows 8 tablet like the Dell Venue 8 pro. I understand you can install Windows 7 on a machine with such low specs but is it really worth it. Is this project even worth your time, especially when you can purchase said Dell tablet for only 200 dollars now at Amazon. It's 5 times faster than the Tab 3, twice the RAM and twice the SSD, already comes with Windows 8 and Office, plus there are now projects trying to get Android to work on it. I'm not trying to be a **** here but you would also have to look at the benefits that this project would bring to community as a whole. The user would first have to first purchase a license for Windows 8, half the price of the Dell Venue 8 Pro already, install Windows following what I could only imagine, long and detailed instructions that will require loosing Android in the end, so no dual booting. Then they will have a really slow tablet to contend with. I had an Asus VivoTab Smart last year, it had a dual core Atom that was at least twice as fast as the CPU found in the Tab 3, CPU score of 686 according to cpubenchmarks.com and 2 GB of ram and I found the Windows 8 experience to be horrible.
Save yourself some time and buy a Dell Venue 8 Pro for 200 dollars. Their very fast, almost twice the battery life as the Tab 3 10.1 and you will soon be able to install Android on it, with dual booting.
Here's the big one, the firmware in the Tab 3 doesn't support Windows 8, nor can you flash it to make it work. Remember, you'll need a UEFI. Who know's, there a some pretty talented people out there, maybe someone will figure it out but again is it worth their time or yours. There is also no support for the video card, soooo... Why not focus your time in creating a better custom Android ROM, there are only two in the development forums right now and their both crap, bloated and extremely slow. The 10.1 is in desperate need of a barebones Android ROM, that's where your focus should be.
Oh and one more thing, Windows 8 supports ARM, what do you think Windows RT is, it's Windows 8, identical in everyway except it has been compiled for ARM. Prior to Windows 8, Microsoft had an embedded version of Windows that also ran on ARM.
You're funny
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I wasn't talking about ARM, never came up. I was refering to the Intel Quad Core Atom CPU's found in almost every Windows 8 tablet like the Dell Venue 8 pro. I understand you can install Windows 7 on a machine with such low specs but is it really worth it. Is this project even worth your time, especially when you can purchase said Dell tablet for only 200 dollars now at Amazon. It's 5 times faster than the Tab 3, twice the RAM and twice the SSD, already comes with Windows 8 and Office, plus there are now projects trying to get Android to work on it. I'm not trying to be a **** here but you would also have to look at the benefits that this project would bring to community as a whole. The user would first have to first purchase a license for Windows 8, half the price of the Dell Venue 8 Pro already, install Windows following what I could only imagine, long and detailed instructions that will require loosing Android in the end, so no dual booting. Then they will have a really slow tablet to contend with. I had an Asus VivoTab Smart last year, it had a dual core Atom that was at least twice as fast as the CPU found in the Tab 3, CPU score of 686 according to cpubenchmarks.com and 2 GB of ram and I found the Windows 8 experience to be horrible.
Save yourself some time and buy a Dell Venue 8 Pro for 200 dollars. Their very fast, almost twice the battery life as the Tab 3 10.1 and you will soon be able to install Android on it, with dual booting.
Here's the big one, the firmware in the Tab 3 doesn't support Windows 8, nor can you flash it to make it work. Remember, you'll need a UEFI. Who know's, there a some pretty talented people out there, maybe someone will figure it out but again is it worth their time or yours. There is also no support for the video card, soooo... Why not focus your time in creating a better custom Android ROM, there are only two in the development forums right now and their both crap, bloated and extremely slow. The 10.1 is in desperate need of a barebones Android ROM, that's where your focus should be.
Oh and one more thing, Windows 8 supports ARM, what do you think Windows RT is, it's Windows 8, identical in everyway except it has been compiled for ARM. Prior to Windows 8, Microsoft had an embedded version of Windows that also ran on ARM.
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I am in a country where RESTRICTION make all my dreams become a pure nightmare !
I am from Morocco ! I checked almost all online stores and stores I know, I can't find any good Windows 8 tablet
Only Acer Iconia W3-810 is available in almost all stores which really is a CRAP* (windows 8 on 8" screen really looks painful)
I am seriously looking for a good Windows 8 Tablet like Acer W700 or W510 or your so called Dell Venue Pro.
I can found them on ebay or Amazon with ease BUT seller won't ship WOLDWIDE ! Even if they will, I can't pay, since you nedd a credit card or PayPal and I have none.
The idea comes to my mind to get a Windows 8 tablet and then install Android-x86 or Android on IA.
Don't hesitate to help if you can.
About Developing for Tab 3, dev are NOT interested for working on a x86 CPU that's why.
And Microsoft Windows RT canNOT run x86 programs unless you emulate. Windows 8 cames out pre-installed, you canNOT reinstall through USB or Whatever since there's NO Windows8_arm.iso anywhere Update/Upgrade can only be done via MS Store. If there was an arm image for installing Windows 8 manually, nexus 7 would have been running already since it can boot from USB (with Multi-Boot bootloader).
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[quote name="calden74" post=51141473]I wasn't talking about ARM, never came up. I was refering to the Intel Quad Core Atom CPU's found in almost every Windows 8 tablet like the Dell Venue 8 pro. I understand you can install Windows 7 on a machine with such low specs but is it really worth it. Is this project even worth your time, especially when you can purchase said Dell tablet for only 200 dollars now at Amazon. It's 5 times faster than the Tab 3, twice the RAM and twice the SSD, already comes with Windows 8 and Office, plus there are now projects trying to get Android to work on it. I'm not trying to be a **** here but you would also have to look at the benefits that this project would bring to community as a whole. The user would first have to first purchase a license for Windows 8, half the price of the Dell Venue 8 Pro already, install Windows following what I could only imagine, long and detailed instructions that will require loosing Android in the end, so no dual booting. Then they will have a really slow tablet to contend with. I had an Asus VivoTab Smart last year, it had a dual core Atom that was at least twice as fast as the CPU found in the Tab 3, CPU score of 686 according to cpubenchmarks.com and 2 GB of ram and I found the Windows 8 experience to be horrible. <br />
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Save yourself some time and buy a Dell Venue 8 Pro for 200 dollars. Their very fast, almost twice the battery life as the Tab 3 10.1 and you will soon be able to install Android on it, with dual booting.<br />
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Here's the big one, the firmware in the Tab 3 doesn't support Windows 8, nor can you flash it to make it work. Remember, you'll need a UEFI. Who know's, there a some pretty talented people out there, maybe someone will figure it out but again is it worth their time or yours. There is also no support for the video card, soooo... Why not focus your time in creating a better custom Android ROM, there are only two in the development forums right now and their both crap, bloated and extremely slow. The 10.1 is in desperate need of a barebones Android ROM, that's where your focus should be.<br />
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Oh and one more thing, Windows 8 supports ARM, what do you think Windows RT is, it's Windows 8, identical in everyway except it has been compiled for ARM. Prior to Windows 8, Microsoft had an embedded version of Windows that also ran on ARM.
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I am in a country where RESTRICTION make all my dreams become a pure nightmare !<br />
I am from Morocco ! I checked almost all online stores and stores I know, I can't find any good Windows 8 tablet <br />
Only Acer Iconia W3-810 is available in almost all stores which really is a CRAP* (windows 8 on 8" screen really looks painful)<br />
I am seriously looking for a good Windows 8 Tablet like Acer W700 or W510 or your so called Dell Venue Pro.<br />
I can found them on ebay or Amazon with ease BUT seller won't ship WOLDWIDE ! Even if they will, I can't pay, since you nedd a credit card or PayPal and I have none.<br />
The idea comes to my mind to get a Windows 8 tablet and then install Android-x86 or Android on IA.<br />
Don't hesitate to help if you can.<br />
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About Developing for Tab 3, dev are NOT interested for working on a x86 CPU that's why.<br />
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And Microsoft Windows RT canNOT run x86 programs unless you emulate. Windows 8 cames out pre-installed, you canNOT reinstall through USB or Whatever since there's NO Windows8_arm.iso anywhere Update/Upgrade can only be done via MS Store. If there was an arm image for installing Windows 8 manually, nexus 7 would have been running already since it can boot from USB (with Multi-Boot bootloader).<br />
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Sorry to butt in but clap!!! Best argument ever!!! He tried to make you look like a troll but you put him right back under that bridge lol. Cheers
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Have NO idea what you mean ?
Sorry to butt in but clap!!! Best argument ever!!! He tried to make you look like a troll but you put him right back under that bridge lol. Cheers
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OMG !!! What do you mean by this statement ?
To whom are you talking to ?
And please try to learn "How to Quote"
Your quotes are really...
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OMG !!! What do you mean by this statement ?
To whom are you talking to ?
And please try to learn "How to Quote"
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I'm quoting from the app, and I was on your side but damn you made yourself look like an ass.
Good luck with this project your gonna get no help on, probably not even get to boot. Good luck.
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Calm Down !
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I'm quoting from the app, and I was on your side but damn you made yourself look like an ass.
Good luck with this project your gonna get no help on, probably not even get to boot. Good luck.
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Calm Down and "Peace, Bro"
You do NOT own a Tab 3 10.1 ! Isn't it ?
And this is NOT my thread. I have my own thread about running windows 8 on Tab 3 and inside Android NOT a native installation.
Keep Calm and Don't be MAD
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I ain't mad, I was just on your side about things considering the troll told you to work on vanilla android instead of windows 8 on your device. The XDA app quoted both of you for some reason. I just took it to offense and apologize for it.
Again I'm gonna stick your side by saying developing is about pushing limits on the device, its not ment for moochers to demand what they want. After all, no one has to share what they've accomplished, but I'm glad they do. How he called the other Roms crap pissed me off, cause the devs took the time to do it and share it while he just ridiculed them for what they made, and demands cyanogen mod basically. **** that guy, if he doesn't like it then he should take the time to do it his damn self. Let's see what he can accomplish.
I know I'm not on your device, but development is slow I just kinda read out of boredom cause of nothing to flash lol. I guess I am a troll too.
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creep138 said:
I ain't mad, I was just on your side about things considering the troll told you to work on vanilla android instead of windows 8 on your device. The XDA app quoted both of you for some reason. I just took it to offense and apologize for it.
Again I'm gonna stick your side by saying developing is about pushing limits on the device, its not ment for moochers to demand what they want. After all, no one has to share what they've accomplished, but I'm glad they do. How he called the other Roms crap pissed me off, cause the devs took the time to do it and share it while he just ridiculed them for what they made, and demands cyanogen mod basically. **** that guy, if he doesn't like it then he should take the time to do it his damn self. Let's see what he can accomplish.
I know I'm not on your device, but development is slow I just kinda read out of boredom cause of nothing to flash lol. I guess I am a troll too.
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Idk what I am gonna say more
The Logic thing is that: He don't like Samsung Tab 3 (specially 7.0 and 10.1 because 8.0 have an Exynos CPU + a Mali-400 Quad Core GPU). Btw, he refuse to admit it
I agree that development of Tab 3 7 and 10 is really slow (specially 10.1) because these devices have newer CPU so devs need more time to focus on.
You also don't have to apologize at all
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i wish this could happen.:good:
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Will it be possible to put a version of windows on the gtab? I know they are working on linux with a distro of ubuntu, does anyone know if it is possible?
Dont get me wrong i love android but this is a powerful device and id like to squeeze all i can out of it
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Will it be possible to put a version of windows on the gtab? I know they are working on linux with a distro of ubuntu, does anyone know if it is possible?
Dont get me wrong i love android but this is a powerful device and id like to squeeze all i can out of it
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Considering that the Tegra 2 is a RISC CPU and to my knowledge the only Windows version that is written for RISC CPUs is WinCE I'm guess the answer to your question is yes and no. Yes technically an OS made by MS in the Windows "family" (WinCE) could be ported to the gtab but realistically the kind of windows variant that I think you're looking for (XP/Win7) no. And you're right this is a powerful piece of hardware... way more that is necessary for WinCE so on al counts it's doubtful that windows will ever make it onto the gtab.
Actually I believe if someone can rip the proper files from the dual booting 10" viewsonic this might be possible. I would have to look at the internals, but I would assume they are the same. I know it is running win7 starter and I believe Android 1.6. I was actually gonna look at that this weekend. Problem is with the small internal memory might be worth it to invest in a 32gb chip.
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Actually I believe if someone can rip the proper files from the dual booting 10" viewsonic this might be possible. I would have to look at the internals, but I would assume they are the same. I know it is running win7 starter and I believe Android 1.6. I was actually gonna look at that this weekend. Problem is with the small internal memory might be worth it to invest in a 32gb chip.
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Actually there is a reason that it is running android 1.6. 1.6 has a compiled version that runs on x86 architecture.
No dice on win 7 on this puppy sorry
Scratch that. I just looked at the specs and they are not even close other than the screen. Well it was a thought.
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Scratch that. I just looked at the specs and they are not even close other than the screen. Well it was a thought.
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The other tablet is uses Intel Atom CPU, hence why it works, would have been nice if that tablet had Android 2.2....but who wants Win7 when you got android....hahaha
I agree about android over win, but I always like to have the ability to. I have my linux box w/ a tiny Win7 partition. Course every time I log into it. I remember why I stopped using windows
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The VS 10" multi-boot tablet has an Atom (x86) CPU and dual boots Windows 7 and Android 1.6 (IIRC).
The only thing vaguely like Windows that you MIGHT be able to get on the gTab will be some version of wince(and I do -- they're trying to call it Windows Mobile now since wince was so awful, but it sounds like it hasn't helped).
I'd actually like to see how well WinMo 6.5, like my old touch pro had, would run on a g-tab. I really enjoyed that old phone.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/11/viewsonic-viewpad-10-and-10s-hands-on/
I'm just wondering if the one running 2.2 and Tegra2 has a better screen. Aside from that main difference looks to be an HDMI out port.
If anyone has any interest in hands-on experiences with the ViewPad 10 let me know. This is the tablet that dual-boots Windows 7 and Android 1.6.
I bought one for my wife for Christmas and she is really happy with it. Windows runs well and the touch interface works well. The Android half is only 1.6 but runs really fast and does what she needs to.
Craig
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If anyone has any interest in hands-on experiences with the ViewPad 10 let me know. This is the tablet that dual-boots Windows 7 and Android 1.6.
I bought one for my wife for Christmas and she is really happy with it. Windows runs well and the touch interface works well. The Android half is only 1.6 but runs really fast and does what she needs to.
Craig
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Is this CPU dual core?
What is the touchscreen? eGalax?
Has vacant mini-pci-e?
Or all the 2 mini pci-e slots are occupied by SSD and Wifi card?
Can you upgrade the RAM from 1 Gb to 2 Gb card?
Is SD card recognised in Grub and can you boot by SD in the current GRUB setup?
Looks like the 10s is actually a version of the Vega.
Windows tabs (this one included) are Atom cpu powered and the chipset can not handle Android code beyond 1.6.
Though the Tegra 2 is powerful for a passively cooled chipset, it will not power Windows well at all. Need more cpu power and fan cooling.
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Looks like the 10s is actually a version of the Vega.
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Seems like it, just with a different chassis. But why would VS do that?
In essence, if it IS Vega guts then it's no different than a G Tablet except that it has less internal storage + the hdmi port. That would be pretty...what's the word, scammy? Maybe they're trying to 'shed' the G Tablet image.
But you don't give people less bang for their buck albeit in a different/new package and manage to charge more for it unless you're Apple or evil.
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Windows tabs (this one included) are Atom cpu powered and the chipset can not handle Android code beyond 1.6.
Though the Tegra 2 is powerful for a passively cooled chipset, it will not power Windows well at all. Need more cpu power and fan cooling.
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Wha?
I was under the impression the only reason Tegra 2 doesn't power Windows currently is that Windows doesn't have an ARM compatible product currently, and that should change by 2012.
As far as Android on intel architecture - that's up to Google. There's no reason that it shouldn't be able to run well unless Google has optimized code in Android especially for ARM vs. x86/x64 since Linux runs well on everything.
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Seems like it, just with a different chassis. But why would VS do that?
In essence, if it IS Vega guts then it's no different than a G Tablet except that it has less internal storage + the hdmi port. That would be pretty...what's the word, scammy? Maybe they're trying to 'shed' the G Tablet image.
But you don't give people less bang for their buck albeit in a different/new package and manage to charge more for it unless you're Apple or evil.
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The article says it is only available outside the US. So it looks like they want a tablet both inside and ouside the US. Maybe it is easier for them to choose two tablets that are already approved to work in the corresponding locations, compared to getting the gtablet modified to work outside the US or the Vega modified to work inside.
Folks, there is no such thing as a Tegra 2 Windows device. Will not work correctly.
The device has an Intel Atom 400 series chipset and has a fan.
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Folks, there is no such thing as a Tegra 2 Windows device. Will not work correctly.
The device has an Intel Atom 400 series chipset and has a fan.
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Not sure what you are saying. The Viewpad 10 is the one with android 1.6 and windows and has the atom processor and fan. The Viewpad 10s is a rebranded advent vega with a tegra 2, running android 2.2.
A fan has noting to do with anything. My windows 7 netbook is passivly cooled. The tegra 2 is more than enough to handle windows, the oly problem being is an arm arcitecture. But hey! We can run windows 95/98 with bochs!
There is absolutely no way that you will ever run Windows 7 on any ARM processor (ie: the Tegra 2). ARM is a totally different and incompatible architecture from x86, which is what Windows 7 runs on.
You Got It!
Neoprimal said:
Seems like it, just with a different chassis. But why would VS do that?
In essence, if it IS Vega guts then it's no different than a G Tablet except that it has less internal storage + the hdmi port. That would be pretty...what's the word, scammy? Maybe they're trying to 'shed' the G Tablet image.
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I think you got it right there. I would assume the VEGA is a lot more successful (critically-wise) than the GTablet's been so maybe they are looking to leave the Android tablet making to the experts!
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But you don't give people less bang for their buck albeit in a different/new package
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If we're both right, then the premium you are paying is more than likely a manufacturing fee to VEGA and HOPEFULLY some marketing push from Viewsonic to get this thing popular and get a good following for the device. The reason WE want a following... DEVs to MOD it!
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and manage to charge more for it unless you're Apple or evil.
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OR BOTH! LOL!
Actually Froyo-x86 is possible AND released!
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Windows tabs (this one included) are Atom cpu powered and the chipset can not handle Android code beyond 1.6.
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The ViewPad 10 uses the Android-x86 projects port of 1.6. However, those guys just recently released a version of Froyo-x86... and it includes a specific port for the ViewPad 10!
http://www.android-x86.org/releases/release_2_2
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The article says it is only available outside the US. So it looks like they want a tablet both inside and ouside the US. Maybe it is easier for them to choose two tablets that are already approved to work in the corresponding locations, compared to getting the gtablet modified to work outside the US or the Vega modified to work inside.
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You can get a duo 10s from Amazon now "ViewSonic ViewPad10 10.1-Inch Dual Boot Tablet Supports Windows Home Premium and Android OS with Wi Fi/Bluetooth (Black)" for $599.
Just curious about this, do you think it might be possible to port Windows 8 ARM to our Transformer, Xoom and so on? What would be the system requirements of such a thing?
I love this future questions that nobody know
Just a guess mostly likey yes
I guesses most of the drivers will be exist the development will start fast
But lets wait
Windows 8 comes out when? Early 2013?
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microsoft demod windows on arm using a tegra 2, i donno if it was windows 8 as they didnt show the interface only a desktop environment
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mikeseth said:
Actually, we can still start now.
Many people (incl. myself) already have the leaked build 7989
CPU: 1 GHz or faster
RAM: 1 GB ( for 32-bit) and 2 GB (for 64-bit)
Hard disk: 16 GB (for 32-bit) and 20 GB (for 64-bit)
DirectX 9 graphics device with WDDM 1.0 or higher driver
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1) Is it the arm version?
2) is it a legit version.
Between now and forever...depending on licencing...there would prabobly zero development with windows 8 on xda.
Unless the device speciafically comes with it...or ms allows people to install/buy it into a specific target device, distributing a rom containing windows 8 would be like posting a pirated copy of windows.
So as far windows 8 development on the tf, not gonna happen
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Well at least until can put ubuntu on it. That leaves the door open for other Distros.
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With the leak of build 7989, i'd love to see a port for the transformer. In fact, i bought the transformer exclusively because of win8, as I need one note.
why did you buy this for windows 8? Asus has many almost identical tablets (albeit a bit thicker) that run windows 7 fine. And microsoft said that any computer that could run windows 7 could run windows 8.
david279 said:
Windows 8 comes out when? Early 2013?
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March 2012 is the latest I heard (Mary Jo Foley post)
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jerrykur said:
March 2012 OS the latest
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Um thats my birthday.
newtonc said:
With the leak of build 7989, i'd love to see a port for the transformer. In fact, i bought the transformer exclusively because of win8, as I need one note.
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the leak is x64, not arm.
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A msft video which shows a prototype tablet powered by a kal-el quad-core arm soc running windows 8, was really stunning. That should be it.
Sounds like a neat project. There's got to be a significant amount of driver porting work to do though.
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why did you buy this for windows 8? Asus has many almost identical tablets (albeit a bit thicker) that run windows 7 fine. And microsoft said that any computer that could run windows 7 could run windows 8.
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the only other asus tablet runs at $1000+, and has poor battery life. win 8 with arm support will be the way to go.
6 months from now the transformer will look like a piece of crap compared to what will be out. If you want windows 8 the best option would be to buy a new tablet that has it on there. The best point was made on the previous page which stated porting windows will be considered piracy and therefore banned from the forum. IF Microsoft releases windows 8 ARM as an installer (usb,cd,flash chips, who knows...) then there could be guides on here but NO ROMS as Windows is not FOSS. Then there's the price to consider... Don't get me wrong I would love Windows 8 on my TF but be realistic, it's not gonna happen.
it wouldn't be piracy if you were able to provide a legitimate proof of purchase.windows requiresaproduct key so if you went to the store and bought the disk then if someone found a way to modify the install process to run on transformer you could enter your product key and it would be perfectly legit. Allot of hard work but legal nonetheless
I am 100% there will be no Windows 8 development for Asus transformer at least on xda, and the other thing I am pretty sure about that Asus TF won't be able to run it, seriosly you think that Microsoft will make windows 8 so optimized that it work on "smartphone" processor Tegra 2? Nothing against windows, love it, but I think that tegra 2 processors are not powefull enough to run desktop OS. If there will be anykind of port of windows 8 on TF I would install it right away, but what can you do on it having only 1gig of ram? Check email on glitchy IE(I personaly hate it)? And by the time Windows 8 is going to be released, there will be new TF2. So insted of hoping for port of windows 8 on TF, better start saving money for TF2 or Windows 8 tablet which would give full new windows experience insted of ported one!
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Who cares about windows 8, can we boot windows 7 on our TF? as much as I love android 3 it can't be compared to windows.. could we boot it? the TF as duel core cpu while same 10' mini laptops as less powerfull single core..
Keen to see if Windows 8 will work on the TF101, but lacking the technical ability to attempt to install it, I'm wondering if anyone here has attempted to run the Windows 8 Consumer Preview on their transformer?
If so, how did you do it and did it perform?
Consumer preview is 32 and 64 bit not arm so it will not run
Microsoft also said that the bootloader on arm devices will be locked so you will only be able to get windows 8 arm on devices that come with it
I saw on a reputable website a picture of Windows 8 running on a tegra 2 tablet with 1gb ram. So hardware wise, TF101 might be capable.
horndroid said:
I saw on a reputable website a picture of Windows 8 running on a tegra 2 tablet with 1gb ram. So hardware wise, TF101 might be capable.
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thats right microsoft demo'd windows 8 on arm using a tegra 2 tablet with one gig of ram
they showed it when they first showed windows
Thanks all, there is a glimmer of hope it seems!
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Thanks all, there is a glimmer of hope it seems!
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Not really. Windows 8 for ARM will not be available to buy separately. It will only come pre-installed on devices.
Perhaps someone skilled will be able to get it to work in some highly unofficial way but they'd have to find a way around the secure bootloader requirements and also figure out how to get hardware drivers for the device in that Windows 8. Unlike Android, Windows 8 isn't open source so 'hackers' will have a harder time getting it on different devices.
Tablets are not like PC's with fairly long upgrade paths available. You buy it as it is and hopefully the manufacturer will keep supporting it for a while with upgrades.
Asus/Microsoft will prefer you to buy a new tablet with Windows 8 pre-installed when it becomes available.
I am not even sure I want to run Windows 8 on a tegra 2 tablet.
Maybe it's just me but tegra 2 already feels pretty slow.
Or you have this for have a windows 8 theme http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1555220
The big question is what will everyone plan on using their Surface tablet for? I will definitely use mine primarily for developing windows 8/WP7 & WP8 apps (as I plan on getting that oh so beautiful Intel version). I also want to use it as a streaming video device. I am sure I will use it for more, but this is all i can immediately use it for.
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I definitely plan to get it as laptop replacement and build a new PC. As well as getting the touch cover and the pen to use in college for taking notes and such. Also, I'm really curious as to what the.specs of the gpu will be on the Intel version.
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I will definitely get Surface with the new WP8. Will be using it as my laptop replacement + tablet when I were out
Laptop replacement for school, visual studio development, hopefully an Ubuntu dual boot to compile otg.
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Mostly windows desktop programs with some media reading in tablet mode. Does anyone know the GPU for the Pro tablet?
Not confirmed.
i5 ivyb processing and possibly 4000 graphics.
I'm not sure if there will be any solutions for a great egpu?
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Not confirmed.
i5 ivyb processing and possibly 4000 graphics.
I'm not sure if there will be any solutions for a great egpu?
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if its Intel the integrated graphics will suck, the only company that has awesome integrated graphics was amd but they stopped making processors because Intel ran them out of that business
I will use it to easily take orders from my clients, but also to watch movies,etc... and play a bit ^^
Maybe also to do a bit of C++.
Hope the battery is good.
And the most important : Dual Boot Windows 7/ Windows 8
@luigi90210 : AMD hasn't stop from doing CPU. Even if they are surpassed by intel for classic CPUs, their APU (A8,A6) have very good IGP ^^
But I thuink the Surface won't have any graphics apart from the HD4000 !
well i will use it for replacement my laptop..
Uncertain if it can boot Android short of blue stacks?
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You'll be getting alllllll the girls fo sho !
6 months after release, I'll buy a pro off craigslist for 70% off retail, and shoehorn mac os onto it for a cool kitchen hackintosh.
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if its Intel the integrated graphics will suck, the only company that has awesome integrated graphics was amd but they stopped making processors because Intel ran them out of that business
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Intel 4000 are meant to be okay for a integrated intel gpu.
The x86 version will have a Corei5 ivy bridge processor.
The ARM version will have a tegra 3.
Think that whether it will be successful will all be dependent on price.
I plan on purchasing the Pro version and using it for use in the education field and general usage -- multimedia, etc.
I think they only said that the demonstration unit was running ivy bridge, they said it would run an i5 though so there is a chance we might get haswell, after all the pro version is being released 3 months later.
If it does run haswell, i'll be getting one for note taking, coding, light CAD work and so on for uni.
The same as most of you, for school. My iPad just isn't productive enough.
Looking to get the pro version for intel compatibility. I'm aiming to get 1 and use it for my DJing running the Necessary Pioneer software to catalogue my music and also a possible expansion and run it as a touch screen dmx light controller.
As well as the usual internet, web tv , email etc....
i can use this tablet when i travel
because use a notebook or ultrabook, i find it s heavy
Surface will replace my iPad (already sold it) and my Macbook Pro.
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i can use this tablet when i travel
because use a notebook or ultrabook, i find it s heavy
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Ultrabooks. Heavy. What are you, a smurf?
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ohgood said:
6 months after release, I'll buy a pro off craigslist for 70% off retail, and shoehorn mac os onto it for a cool kitchen hackintosh.
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Why would you step so far *backwards*? As a Mac owner, I'll tell you right now: OSX is crap. I'm looking forward to dumping my MBP
Have been using OneNote with a X200T for over 5 years now, the surface seems to be perfect for that.