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HTC ONE X vs Samsung galaxy s3

So I had the Samsung rep in today showing me the Samsung galaxy s3 today, first thing I did was run a quadrant bench mark and antutu, quadrant benchmark for both were pretty similar. On antutu both phone were pretty similar too, I did like the Samsung feature where you can minimise a video window and watch it while carry out other tasks, neat,,, hope fully it can be hacked to make run on other quad-core phones, build qualiy I have to say was very poor for the Samsung s3, the back cover is a flimsy bit of plastic, so for build quality HTC ONE X wins hands down. I do like the ability of removable battery and Memory card which I wish the one x had,
So guys what are your opinions...
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can already do the pop up player thing with "stick it".
As for HOX vs. GS3. I had 2 HOX that were faulty. sent them back and stuck with my Note waiting for GS3 thinking it would be the don of phones. Watched the launch event and was underwhelmed enough to get my 3rd HOX. this one is spot on. I'm lucky/stupid/daft enough to carry a work phone and a personal phone, so might get GS3 as my work handset, definitely want to try it hands on first though.

Yeah but stick it is very glitchy, I have had many Samsung phones and HTC, that's one of the perks working for mobile phone retailer, I have not had any Hox back faulty yet lol,
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being a stock feature i have no doubt that pop up player is better than stick it, which i have to say i uninstalled as didnt use it. I'm not sure i'd use pop up player, although i have said that in the past about many things that now form part of my daily mobile life! i can see me using that more than the voice recognition thing.
I have no sway one way or the other on sense vs. touchwiz, i am comfortable with either. I was interested in your comments on build quality. I just sold my Galaxy Note and GS2 shortly before that after getting the HOX, i would say the Note and GS2 are better built than the HOX, not as nice a design, and the materials dont feel as classy, but it seemed somehow more solid?? are you saying that the GS3 is more flimsy feeling than the GS2 or Note? disappointing if that is the case, although i will have to hold it in my hand and judge for myself.

hamyg84 said:
Yeah but stick it is very glitchy, I have had many Samsung phones and HTC, that's one of the perks working for mobile phone retailer, I have not had any Hox back faulty yet lol,
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HTC Evo3D was one of the worst phones I ever had in terms of build quality. My SGSII isnt as sturdy as my OG Evo and my old Hero, but its held up quite well over the last few months. As far as the HOX vs SGSIII, not having expandable memory is a deal breaker for me. Ill wait to SGSIII is released or get a note if it comes to Sprint.

Overall build quality of both phones is good, Hox is better feel, the s3 when hold it feels cheap, again its a personal opinion, even the Samsung rep said I agree with you, but at the end of the day he works for Samsung so he was quite reluctant to say any thing bad about s3, lol
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Once I get actual stock I will post pic of benchmarks for both phones,
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The build quality has nothing to do with the materials used. HTC uses metals that are heavy and give the impressions of quality, yet they can't keep dust from getting under your screen ... Samsung may use plastic but that keeps the weight low. My SGS 2 (TMo version) compared to My Sensation is hands down for my SGS 2 and they use the same SoC..
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PJcastaldo said:
The build quality has nothing to do with the materials used. HTC uses metals that are heavy and give the impressions of quality, yet they can't keep dust from getting under your screen ... Samsung may use plastic but that keeps the weight low. My SGS 2 (TMo version) compared to My Sensation is hands down for my SGS 2 and they use the same SoC..
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I agree in the past HTC had problems with dust under screen, but now as there is less gap there is no dust problem, as I said I work in mobile retail and I have seen Samsung come back with dust under screen,
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Are there any experience about battery life?

Namania said:
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It's got a massive 2100ma battery, once I get some usage out of it I will feed back
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hands down gs3 over all better than any htc out now ,gs3 my next phone bye htc!
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Both phones are very similar, I think it will come down to brand loyalty or UI, I prefer HTC sense but touchwiz is not bad either,
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This is the most redundant topic, its also in the wrong section. Reported.
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Are there any experience about battery life?
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slapshot30 said:
This is the most redundant topic, its also in the wrong section. Reported.
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It's my first post so remove it if you want, its not exactly junk, its information that phone users want, out of nearly a 1000 views your the only one complaining.
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Interesting,, I will look into it when I get stock
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On the One X the browser sucks because it keeps using the companion core, and overall the Tegra 3 gets hammered by the new Exynos pretty much everywhere. Anyway if I had to pick a phone now I'd probably get the One S: cheaper, better looking, not too big and with the excellent S4. I'm really looking forward to those WP8 devices with S4s on board. Nokia top notch quality and style + S4 equals epic in my book
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Wow!! Impressed

Battery life.
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What's your screen on time?

_MetalHead_ said:
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very little. mine got 9 hours today with 1 hour screen on time

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What's your screen on time?
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Here is one of my own examples that have similar results.
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That last one was only down to 37%. Also, web browsing will kill battery faster than certain other things. I keep my screen brightness at around 35% as well. Doesn't need to be any higher than that indoors.

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Nice! After having that damn iPhone I got so used to plugging in my phone whenever I am near a charger...I get paranoid whenever it drops below 90% lol. I gotta drop that habit and actually test out what kinda battery life I can get with this thing.

Wow the moment I have LTE on... I barely get 10hrs of usage. (Mind you I'm on it all the time and constantly)...
So it's not bad. But will see what happens with LTE off.

Managed to stay off charger for over 3 days 4 hours this weekend, before the phone died earlier today.
Just a little over 2 hours screen time. No LTE. The rapid dip was when I was playing Shadowgun yesterday.

can you guys post the settings you're running to get that type of battery life?
push email? what's sync'ing in the background and are you on LTE?

mikeyinid said:
very little. mine got 9 hours today with 1 hour screen on time
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That's a problem as you can see??
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sterz85 said:
can you guys post the settings you're running to get that type of battery life?
push email? what's sync'ing in the background and are you on LTE?
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Auto brightness... LTE on... Push email set to smart sync. That's it for me I just charge up to 100% till green light comes on when charging and let it drain to about 8%. RUU 1.82... Clean tool debloat all.
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The battery life really is amazing on this thing. Here's some shots I just took.
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My phone can't touch that mainly because of LTE. Having LTE on is one thing but I'm in an LTE area so its always on LTE and it kills battery like nothing else. Wish there was a way to turn it off. This sucks.
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This is great guys, but why not post in the battery stats thread?
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mobilehavoc said:
My phone can't touch that mainly because of LTE. Having LTE on is one thing but I'm in an LTE area so its always on LTE and it kills battery like nothing else. Wish there was a way to turn it off. This sucks.
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Mod can move. I live in Chicago. LTE always on.
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ealvinito said:
Mod can move. I live in Chicago. LTE always on.
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Then I give up. What accounts do you have? Do you use Facebook? Twitter?
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ealvinito said:
Mod can move. I live in Chicago. LTE always on.
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Ain't it great? There's LTE pretty much EVERYWHERE around here. With my iPhone 4S on HSPA+ I couldn't get any data at all in the city because their network is so bogged down. Couldn't browse the web, could BARELY check facebook... terrible. With the One X and LTE, I have data everywhere and the lowest speed I've recorded so far was still 3mbps. Fricken' awesome. I am one happy camper

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Then I give up. What accounts do you have? Do you use Facebook? Twitter?
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Yes both.
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Ain't it great? There's LTE pretty much EVERYWHERE around here. With my iPhone 4S on HSPA+ I couldn't get any data at all in the city because their network is so bogged down. Couldn't browse the web, could BARELY check facebook... terrible. With the One X and LTE, I have data everywhere and the lowest speed I've recorded so far was still 3mbps. Fricken' awesome. I am one happy camper
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Yes sir!
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for all those who dont think the one x (att) is faster than the global

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Quadrant scores aren't exactly the best way to demonstrate which is better.
A video of both phones side by side performing tasks will be much more telling.

Cool. I heard it hit close, but wasn't sure how close. Do you have anything done to your HOX?
You might want to use the power button + home button to take screenshots in order to prevent the volume changing and getting in the way of your shots. Just a tip.

I think ac did. Video of basic tasks and the att version did better in most tasks. I of course tegra is better in gaming
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Nope nothing dine to my device pure stock and thanks for the tip
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When someone claims something is faster, I always ask "At what?" The hardware is half the story. It's what application the hardware is used for is what we can actually make use of.
Yes, the Snapdragon S4 Krait beats the Tegra 3 in a benchmark and vice versa has happened in a few instances as well. Essentially, there should be little to no perceivable difference between the two processors. HTC would be stupid to allow for that to happen and Qualcomm equally stupid to allow the Tegra 3 to beat their latest and greatest.
Don't get me wrong because I believe multiple benchmarks are important in order to compare hardware/software to a set standard. But given the small margins in scores, its hard to worry about one being better than the other.

Well for one thing the att one x has much better battery life as well as 4glte
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If I wasn't so lazy I'd do a comparison, I have both an At&t and International One X's right in front of me.

Biggest thing of them all......international has a large dev community while you guys don't have much at all
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pewpewbangbang said:
Biggest thing of them all......international has a large dev community while you guys don't have much at all
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Valid point, but in time this one will grow...... I hope
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pewpewbangbang said:
Biggest thing of them all......international has a large dev community while you guys don't have much at all
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...low blow.

nman123 said:
for all those who dont think the one x (att) is faster than the global
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Too bad a professional reviewer didn't compare them. Oh wait, they did.

BarryH_GEG said:
Too bad a professional reviewer didn't compare them. Oh wait, they did.
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So 8 out of 10 reports says that the AT&T OneX outperformed the International model. Awesome.

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So 8 out of 10 reports says that the AT&T OneX outperformed the International model. Awesome.
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To be expected. The S4 is a much more modern chip. Of all the stats the only one that's surprised me is that Teg3 battery life isn't as bad as you'd expect based on it being two 40nm A9 chips glommed together. It actually outperforms the SGS3 on talk time and web browsing when adjusted for battery size. AMOLED kills it on video playback because of the lower drain from darker colors.
Here's all three. And before people get disillusioned about the SGS3 scores, benchmarks are meaningless once speeds pass a certain point. The OS and apps aren't capable of using all the speed available in Exynos Quad, S4, or Teg3. Also when looking at the video scores of older phones keep in mind PPI on new HD phones is 30+% higher. So to compare the actual GPU improvements subtract 30% from an older non-HD phone's score. Same applies to the qHD display on the One S.
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We're also blissfully free of all the "enhanced" software provided to make your attachment to AT&T easier and more permanent.
I don't know if you guys saw this, but it's a pretty big difference. And one I'm sure those that are rooting and ROM'ing will be able to get around.
HTC shipping custom Android builds on US devices to avoid Apple patents
By Nilay Patelon May 16, 2012 06:13 pm
"While HTC devices shipped to the rest of the world may still exhibit that behavior, we can confirm that neither the AT&T One X or the Sprint Evo 4G LTE present the offending menu: tapping on a detected phone number or email immediately launches the dialer or email client. "
http://www.theverge.com/2012/5/16/3...lte-custom-android-build-apple-patent-linkify

Here's what I got on quadrant
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The international One X can't do this.

It can do it in the us too...its easy on wifi..not as fast on lte but so fast that it doesn't matter...nobody downiads anything which requires so much speed..
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austin4913 said:
It can do it in the us too...its easy on wifi..not as fast on lte but so fast that it doesn't matter...nobody downiads anything which requires so much speed..
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But if we was just satisfied with what is NEEDED then there wouldn't be any progress. Not to mention that LTE needs to be that fast for when it gets bogged down by the iPhone 5 when it drops, just like the 3G network did when the 2nd generation iPhone came out.

feanor512 said:
The international One X can't do this.
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The LTE One X can't do this...

Why even make excuses? Its so common when someone hears something the device they have can't do make excuses why its not needed (LTE). Or some other reason it's not important.
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PSA- Hidden power saver settings menu

Just found this on pocketables, there is a hidden power saver menu that allows us to adjust a bunch of stuff to save some juice. Some of the options don't seem to do anything but I'm thinking it's because there is a percentage threshold where it kicks in at. Anyway, download QuickShortcutMaker from the play store and scroll down until you find power saver settings, or just type power into the filter box and it will pop up. Doing that adds a shortcut to your homescreen to access the hidden menu. Play around with it, see if it helps you gain some more battery life.
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Could that give me longer screen on time? Mainly its just engadget and xda and texts lol.
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Wait 6 hours on screen haha nice
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Could that give me longer screen on time? Mainly its just engadget and xda and texts lol.
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6+ hours screen time? GTF outta my thread!

Haha time to start carrying a charger around and trying to squeeze out every little bit of performance .
I laugh in the face of 30 FPS!
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6+ hours screen time? GTF outta my thread!
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What if i don't wanna?!
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I see most of them were already checked. Does that mean invoking this just put those defaults on or they were always ON and there isn't much we can do about those.

Pretty sure they were already on. The reduce cpu and framerate were also checked but I unchecked those. I really think this stuff only kicks on when your phone goes into power saving mode, ie. when it's at 15% or whatever it may be.

Why the hell would they hide those? Tricky little suckers. LOL
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_MetalHead_ said:
Just found this on pocketables, there is a hidden power saver menu that allows us to adjust a bunch of stuff to save some juice. Some of the options don't seem to do anything but I'm thinking it's because there is a percentage threshold where it kicks in at. Anyway, download QuickShortcutMaker from the play store and scroll down until you find power saver settings, or just type power into the filter box and it will pop up. Doing that adds a shortcut to your homescreen to access the hidden menu. Play around with it, see if it helps you gain some more battery life.
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great find. sneaky bastards...
Anyway no need for extra app if you're using Apex or Nova.

I'm so jealous of you guys but mostly just pissed off at my bad luck. All the One X's I've tried I get this bull****.
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SkizzMcNizz said:
I'm so jealous of you guys but mostly just pissed off at my bad luck. All the One X's I've tried I get this bull****.
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Skizz, you aren't the only one that doesn't get that. I might get 3.5-4 hours of on screen, but I never get even a full day out of a charge. So at least you get that.
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SkizzMcNizz said:
I'm so jealous of you guys but mostly just pissed off at my bad luck. All the One X's I've tried I get this bull****.
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Are you trolling right now? lol
You're probably looking at 3 1/2 hours screen time and over a day and a half of juice. I'd say that's pretty good.

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Are you trolling right now? lol
You're probably looking at 3 1/2 hours screen time and over a day and a half of juice. I'd say that's pretty good.
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Agreed! That's way better than I've ever seen. I'd like to see a screenshot that show how the cell signal was too. I'm sure my battery life would be better if my cell strength was better. I don't even get yellow throughout the day, it's mostly that puke brown color.
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jspidey said:
Agreed! That's way better than I've ever seen. I'd like to see a screenshot that show how the cell signal was too. I'm sure my battery life would be better if my cell strength was better. I don't even get yellow throughout the day, it's mostly that puke brown color.
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Puke brown. Love it.
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jspidey said:
Agreed! That's way better than I've ever seen. I'd like to see a screenshot that show how the cell signal was too. I'm sure my battery life would be better if my cell strength was better. I don't even get yellow throughout the day, it's mostly that puke brown color.
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What's yellow and/or puke brown?
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What should I tick to get the most juice
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What should I tick to get the most juice
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EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!!! Lol, jk I don't know.
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What should I tick to get the most juice
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No clue, I have noticed no immediate results. As I said before, I don't think any of it kicks in until power saving mode turns on when your battery is low.

I added a comment there, but will here also:
Sorry to burst your bubbles- Changing the settings has had no effect at all on my stock unrooted AT&T HTC One X, which I'm sure is why it's hidden.

Sorry SG3: One-S and One-X are #1 Androids...

Just thought this article was a reminder that the one S and one X probably don't have to worry about obsolescence for a little while yet.
In this article the 1X and 1S tied for First place, the SG3 at #2 (where it belongs), and the Evo at #3.
http://m.complex.com/tech/2012/07/the-10-best-android-phones-available-now/htc-one-series
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Hah thats funny, They better be good for a few years since im stuck on the darn 2 year contract!
I can see the One X being first, but I dont see how the One S beat the SG3...

Doggydude said:
Hah thats funny, They better be good for a few years since im stuck on the darn 2 year contract!
I can see the One X being first, but I dont see how the One S beat the SG3...
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It's a smaller One X. It actually beats the One X in bench marking due to it's lower resolution, but yeah, it's pretty much the same phone--if we're talking the american versions--just smaller.

The One S definitely is an underrated phone. Even HTC themselves don't really pay much attention to it.

yeah all the advertisements htc make are about the HTC One X...
for me, the htc evo LTE 4G is the "hidden king" of all smartphones, its the same as the htc one x, plus it has SD card slot, has a kid stand or something like that XD, and has the s4 Snapdragon which beat the tegra 3
hope htc release a GSM version of it soon, i already bought a htc one S because i like the 4.3" phones and because is so thin

renehd2 said:
yeah all the advertisements htc make are about the HTC One X...
for me, the htc evo LTE 4G is the "hidden king" of all smartphones, its the same as the htc one x, plus it has SD card slot, has a kid stand or something like that XD, and has the s4 Snapdragon which beat the tegra 3
hope htc release a GSM version of it soon, i already bought a htc one S because i like the 4.3" phones and because is so thin
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Not true, I saw a lot of comercials for the one S like the one when they were falling from the sky and taking those pics they did them for the one X and the one S. Also Tmo still plays them a lot too.

The hd2 is better than all three
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The hd2 is better than all three
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LuLz
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OP you are FUNNY!

The HOX and HOS are perfect phones, if you're lucky enough to get a defect-free one. HTC really has shot their reputation w the quality management of this year phones.

I've never seen a One S advert. It's all One X. I understand they're obviously going to push their flagship phone, but the One S has just been neglected and is on par with the One X in terms of performance, just a small size. HTC big up photos being taken specifically off of the One X, when the One S has the exact same camera capabilities.
What annoyed me the most is the release of the Desire C. First the Desire is now the bottom of the barrel budget phones, when the original Desire was the flagship line, and it's the last budget phone HTC are doing, yet it has NFC capabilities, which the One S could have easily had, and should have.
As said above, HTC aren't what they used to be, and seem to be leaning towards Apple's business practices.

There's no way I would agree to this...
My One S can't have a stable USB tethering connection, so much that I went back to using my iPhone 4 as main phone. Before I root it and install more recent ROM (like the 1.84), I had numerous data issues: No data, No data despite having the icon on screen, Stuck on Edge, all required a reboot to fix. The phone have poor network reception barely better than my iPhone 4 "hold in the wrong way". I still can't use Skype. In less than one month I dented the case after a fall of 1 foot high on ceramic and scratched the screen in normal use (first time I scratch a screen without an accident). I won't comment on multitasking performance...

I love the phone but very disappointed we do not have NFC
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Reasons I got rid of the HTC one s every call had static all three phones multitasking non existent data was highly annoying hit or miss if not for the static I would have kept it but HTC that was your last chance done gettin ripped
I'll be honest tho I'm really starting to consider iOS all my phones are android but I'm starting to get disappointed with lag doing simple crap like scrolling hopefully 4.1 will help alot in this regard
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I got something for you OP, since you decided to make this thread to make yourself feel better. My Galaxy S III bests your One X in almost every way. The only thing I would give the One X is looks. All that slideshow you linked to says is the One X is "the greatest camera phone ever", which I would have to disagree with (objectionable). It also says, "The One X might have snagged top honors, but it edged out the Galaxy S III by a fragment. Laced with powerful hardware and dope next-gen features, Samsung’s mobile powerhouse embodies its “Next Big Thing” tag line.":
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Product F(RED) said:
"My GSIII beats your phone in everything except looks and benchmarks."
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FTFY.
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villainhalf said:
FTFY.
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And benchmarks? Benchmarks don't prove anything. I also find it funny that Nvidia pays developers to tone down the graphics on non-Tegra 3 phones so their chipset looks better. Good thing my Galaxy S III runs Tegra 3 games better than Tegra 3 phones like the One X:
Source: http://www.overclock.net/t/1263916/samsung-galaxy-s3-vs-htc-one-x
Enjoy

Product F(RED) said:
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You know this is the S4 HTC One S section, right? No one here owns a tegra unless they have two or more phones. Were running on the sexy S4.
By the way: 5015 my ass. My phone on stock pulls 5300.
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In that case:
There's really no use comparing day-to-day performance. In 3D-intensive tasks is where you'll notice a huge different in GPU performance.

Product F(RED) said:
In that case:
There's really no use comparing day-to-day performance. In 3D-intensive tasks is where you'll notice a huge different in GPU performance.
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Yeah, are using the Int version? I was assuming S4 S3? I'm still trying to get my hands on a Int S3.
The 225 is a joke compared to Mali.
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