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cancelled my order for the S4

I'm usually the type thats the first to get something new and as soon as the s4 was available for preorder for verizon i placed an order. But after reading some reviews and with the potential of other phones coming out this summer I was second guessing myself. The real deciding factor was when I flashed MOAR's rom on my S3 that added some of the s4 features. After a day with the rom I cancelled my order to wait and see what other phones are going to come out. I'm a bit dissapointed that the S4 isn't head over heels different than the S3 to make it a no brainer for me. Anyone else in the same boat?

I'm not in the same boat, but I was reading a post in the s4 sections about how most people are only getting about 6 hours on a charge...max. Also, that the phone is real laggy even after most of the features have been shut off.
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ricecake2000 said:
I'm not in the same boat, but I was reading a post in the s4 sections about how most people are only getting about 6 hours on a charge...max. Also, that the phone is real laggy even after most of the features have been shut off.
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I read some of the same thing and with the nexus 4 rumored to be coming to verizon as with the HTC One, I figured it can't hurt to wait it out and see the best option out there this summer. I wouldn't be worried about the lagging though as I'm sure Samsung will have an update to fix that or worst case someone will come up with a bloat free rom that should have the phone screaming fast.

Ill wait for the galaxy note 3.... Im sure samsung will have it in a premium build
iSheep... iSheep... Meowww that's Apple VZW GSIII

I'm hoping to hear some motorola x-phone announcements soon. I might be looking to buy a nexus or x-phone (whatever the product ends up being) off contract later this year.

Restola said:
I'm hoping to hear some motorola x-phone announcements soon. I might be looking to buy a nexus or x-phone (whatever the product ends up being) off contract later this year.
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only issue with what i'm reading about the X is that its going to be sold as a lower/mid end phone and not premium.

The rumors about X-phone not being high end were debunked. I'm also waiting to see that, Note 3 and next Nexus. Also in a few months we'll have phones on S800 as well as Intel SoC's.

ECrispy said:
The rumors about X-phone not being high end were debunked. I'm also waiting to see that, Note 3 and next Nexus. Also in a few months we'll have phones on S800 as well as Intel SoC's.
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I'm also waiting/hoping for the xphone. I am "assuming" that's what Verizon is waiting for as well.
The note 3 will just be a big s4 unless they go with one of the new concepts which I think they should
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ricecake2000 said:
I'm not in the same boat, but I was reading a post in the s4 sections about how most people are only getting about 6 hours on a charge...max. Also, that the phone is real laggy even after most of the features have been shut off.
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I just poked around the sprint, att and T-Mobile threads and most people are posting screenshots of over 4 hours of screen time. That doesn't seem bad to me!!!
I preordered my s4 and am hoping the HTC one is announced before my phone ships at the end of the month. If the nexus 4 is announced I'd prolly even give that a shot!!
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I as well have the gs4 preordered may switch if the htc one is released soon!

ricecake2000 said:
I'm not in the same boat, but I was reading a post in the s4 sections about how most people are only getting about 6 hours on a charge...max. Also, that the phone is real laggy even after most of the features have been shut off.
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Its a brand new toy. Of course its only going to last 6 hours if you don't put it down for more than 5 minutes in that amount of time. The important part is how much screen on time and mobile data connected time they got in that 6 hours.

I too have been reading some reviews and may stick with my s3 until something else is released. Maybe the Motorola X?

Another year for Phone another year of questions
Well just like last year, I told everyone that the international version of the S3 would be the quad core and the US variant of the S3 will have a dual core.
Looks like we are facing the same dilemma, the S4 intl has an octa core and the us S4 has a quad core.....
The fact that you are comparing the S4 to Moar rom on the S3 is sad.
First you don't have 4.2.2 to utilize all the nifty stuff.
Second you don't have any of the new sensors of the S4.
and lastly, the NOTE 3 will follow the same footsteps, expect the S4 hardware with some software and rom tweaks.
I personally wanted the Note 2 but got the S3 for size.
I will not make that mistake with the Note 3!

How many of you won't buy this phone again for the terrible radio. I don't know how its not a bigger issue for most of you. Everyone with a different phone on Verizon gets much better service, especially Motorola phones.
www.ryanhortonmusic.com

Also expect the note 3 to be locked down tighter than your wife after you told her she was fat...
You mfrs rewarding Samsung and Verizon, still continuing to pay them for the phone and the service while they lock us all down tighter deserve to have your android hacker card revoked.
As a community we should be rewarding those who offer openness and shunning those who close it down.
Keep paying them for closed devices and they're gonna think they're doing the right thing.
We didn't buy moto and now look at them. We didn't buy HTC, now look at them.
Speak with your wallet. Don't buy a locked device.
My $.02

miked0602 said:
Well just like last year, I told everyone that the international version of the S3 would be the quad core and the US variant of the S3 will have a dual core.
Looks like we are facing the same dilemma, the S4 intl has an octa core and the us S4 has a quad core.....
The fact that you are comparing the S4 to Moar rom on the S3 is sad.
First you don't have 4.2.2 to utilize all the nifty stuff.
Second you don't have any of the new sensors of the S4.
and lastly, the NOTE 3 will follow the same footsteps, expect the S4 hardware with some software and rom tweaks.
I personally wanted the Note 2 but got the S3 for size.
I will not make that mistake with the Note 3!
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i'm not comparing my s3 with MOAR saying its just as good as an s4. What I was saying was that from what I'm looking for i can live with my s3 longer now that it has MOAR over picking up the s4 right away. Yes there are more sensors, its quicker, better camera, etc... but nothing that really is something that would wow me to have to pick it up. As some people stated this is more a S3S than an S4. if the nexus 4, google x, or htc one does come out for verizon it would honestly make me consider jumping to another brand. No knock on samsung but since the s3 they made everyone else up their game.

As it seems to be at least for me, hardware advancement starting to peak. Everything now is pretty much software progression...for now.

I have the S4 on Sprint and will be coming back to get it on Verizon on the 30th. The phone is sick. I am getting at least 24 hours on a charge with over 4 hours screen on time on the stock ROM rooted. I haven't tweaked anything. Whoever said they are getting 6 hours must have been talking about screen time. Lag? What lag? I have seen none. The GPS is scary accurate: instant 10 ft and knowing exactly how fast I am driving. There are so many advancements on this phone compared to my S3 that I can't wait for community development to move on it. If I can get over 24 hours on stock, it'll probably be 3 days with something like CleanROM or Carbon.

GS3
GS3 for the win!!

Yeah I agree that phones are starting to hit a critical mass level. I was going to keep my s3 and just update the software but my wife has an upgrade so I'm gonna use her upgrade to get the s4 and give her my s3.....unless the HTC one or lg nexus 4 is released before it ships at the end of the month.
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Nexus 5 16gb vs LG G2 32gb same price!

Hi all,
I'm new to all this so please bare with me a little bit. I've used apple products for many years, but in getting a little sick of iOS7 and the lack of jaibreak. So I've decided to make the leap to android (something I never thought I would do).
I have my choices narrowed down to the Nexus 5 and LG G2. Both phones at currently available for $99 on 2 yr term. The Nexus only comes in the 16gb version while the G2 is 32gb for the same price. I'm having a tough time deciding between the two. I like the Nexus 5 because it gets the OS updates fast and won't require removal of bloat. It's also unlocked.
The G2 seems to have a slight hardware edge with battery life, camera and screen size. It's also 32gb, but it's not stock android and is carrier locked.
My question is, given the same price for both, is it better to get the nexus 5 or get the G2 and use a custom rom to mimic the stock nexus 5? Will it be a hassle to keep the G2 updated, and how bug free would the experience be?
Sorry if I'm in the wrong forum section, there's so many to choose from!
Thanks
SB

SillyBearito said:
Hi all,
I'm new to all this so please bare with me a little bit. I've used apple products for many years, but in getting a little sick of iOS7 and the lack of jaibreak. So I've decided to make the leap to android (something I never thought I would do).
I have my choices narrowed down to the Nexus 5 and LG G2. Both phones at currently available for $99 on 2 yr term. The Nexus only comes in the 16gb version while the G2 is 32gb for the same price. I'm having a tough time deciding between the two. I like the Nexus 5 because it gets the OS updates fast and won't require removal of bloat. It's also unlocked.
The G2 seems to have a slight hardware edge with battery life, camera and screen size. It's also 32gb, but it's not stock android and is carrier locked.
My question is, given the same price for both, is it better to get the nexus 5 or get the G2 and use a custom rom to mimic the stock nexus 5? Will it be a hassle to keep the G2 updated, and how bug free would the experience be?
Sorry if I'm in the wrong forum section, there's so many to choose from!
Thanks
SB
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They are not the same price, the G2 is like $600 because of all the monthly payments you have to make. I'd go with the Nexus 5 because once you buy it, you actually own it.

SillyBearito said:
Hi all,
I'm new to all this so please bare with me a little bit. I've used apple products for many years, but in getting a little sick of iOS7 and the lack of jaibreak. So I've decided to make the leap to android (something I never thought I would do).
I have my choices narrowed down to the Nexus 5 and LG G2. Both phones at currently available for $99 on 2 yr term. The Nexus only comes in the 16gb version while the G2 is 32gb for the same price. I'm having a tough time deciding between the two. I like the Nexus 5 because it gets the OS updates fast and won't require removal of bloat. It's also unlocked.
The G2 seems to have a slight hardware edge with battery life, camera and screen size. It's also 32gb, but it's not stock android and is carrier locked.
My question is, given the same price for both, is it better to get the nexus 5 or get the G2 and use a custom rom to mimic the stock nexus 5? Will it be a hassle to keep the G2 updated, and how bug free would the experience be?
Sorry if I'm in the wrong forum section, there's so many to choose from!
Thanks
SB
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Sound like you are on Sprint, right? I would say just get the Nexus 5 from the Play Store, and then sign up for the $60 BYOD on Sprint. You would end up saving more money. Also, I just don't like the LG skin, so I'm a little biased.
PS The battery life on the G2 is much much better than the N5 though, so that's something to think about too, if that's important to you.

stevew84 said:
They are not the same price, the G2 is like $600 because of all the monthly payments you have to make. I'd go with the Nexus 5 because once you buy it, you actually own it.
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Not sure I follow. I'm in Canada on Rogers. I'm currently out of contract and don't really intend to switch carriers because my wife and I share a plan and she's locked in for 2 more years.
The hardware upgrade for either phone is $99 with a 2 year contract, I'm not changing plans or paying anything additional, just $99 to upgrade.

Well, if you were into the jailbreaking scene then you would most definitely be into rooting, custom roms etc. Therefore, I vote for the N5. Nexus = Endless possibilities. Also, with the new features implemented by many roms such as ParanoidAndroid, Cyanogenmod etc, you'd never get bored.

joshyth said:
Sound like you are on Sprint, right? I would say just get the Nexus 5 from the Play Store, and then sign up for the $60 BYOD on Sprint. You would end up saving more money. Also, I just don't like the LG skin, so I'm a little biased.
PS The battery life on the G2 is much much better than the N5 though, so that's something to think about too, if that's important to you.
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On Rogers in Canada. Battery life is a little important, but i almost always have a plug nearby to charge. Memory size is also a little important.
I'll most likely be rooting the G2 to bring it to the stock level of the N5. I'm just not sure how easy that is to do.

SillyBearito said:
Not sure I follow. I'm in Canada on Rogers. I'm currently out of contract and don't really intend to switch carriers because my wife and I share a plan and she's locked in for 2 more years.
The hardware upgrade for either phone is $99 with a 2 year contract, I'm not changing plans or paying anything additional, just $99 to upgrade.
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Then you have a tough decision to make, honestly. A huge advantage of the Nexus 5 is that it packs excellent specs into a device that is affordable off contract. Buying the Nexus subsidized on a contract kind of defeats this cost-saving advantage, as you'll end up paying quite a bit more for the device over your two year contract. Price-wise, you'd be getting a much larger subsidy if you bought the G2 on contract vs. the N5.
Now, comparing the devices: I prefer the look and feel of the N5 hardware over the G2, but the G2 has a better battery and camera. And I really dislike the button placement on the G2, though it doesn't seem to bother others. And other than these things they're neck and neck performance-wise. You'll get quicker Android updates, more xda development activitiy, and kit-kat out of the box with the Nexus 5.

I can't say much for the g2 since I haven't used it so my response would be biased.
However what I can say is go look at the G2 development forums for your carrier and compare that to the N5 development section here.
Personally I've been with the galaxy S line since its launch (Galaxy S Epic 4g, Galaxy s3 and Galaxy s4) and when the Nexus 5 launched at such a low price I just couldn't pass up the fact that its a "universal" phone where developers can create a ROM and it works for everyone easily. Where as my previous phones (and the G2) split the developers up based on their carrier. Some devs ported their ROMs to all carriers for their device and that is much respected but I feel the N5 being "universal" can't be beat if you're a software junkie like myself.
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SemiGamer said:
I can't say much for the g2 since I haven't used it so my response would be biased.
However what I can say is go look at the G2 development forums for your carrier and compare that to the N5 development section here.
Personally I've been with the galaxy S line since its launch (Galaxy S Epic 4g, Galaxy s3 and Galaxy s4) and when the Nexus 5 launched at such a low price I just couldn't pass up the fact that its a "universal" phone where developers can create a ROM and it works for everyone easily. Where as my previous phones (and the G2) split the developers up based on their carrier. Some devs ported their ROMs to all carriers for their device and that is much respected but I feel the N5 being "universal" can't be beat if you're a software junkie like myself.
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I am a bit of a software junkie, but only to the point where I've customized my phone just the way I like it. If I can achieve that customization with the G2 and be able to maintain it without too many bugs then I may lean towards the G2. It's hard to pass up that extra battery life and storage capacity. Ugh this is a tough choice.
I'll take your advice and check the G2 forums though!
Thanks

SillyBearito said:
I am a bit of a software junkie, but only to the point where I've customized my phone just the way I like it. If I can achieve that customization with the G2 and be able to maintain it without too many bugs then I may lean towards the G2. It's hard to pass up that extra battery life and storage capacity. Ugh this is a tough choice.
I'll take your advice and check the G2 forums though!
Thanks
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Your welcome. By glancing at the g2 forums I don't see a KitKat ROM, not sure if that's important to you or not.
The way I see it is go with the G2 if battery life, Camera and Storage outweigh your needs for the best software.
I don't use the camera for anything professional so the n5 camera is plenty for me, the battery life doesn't matter because I have wireless charging plates I just throw my phone on around the house. And the storage is completely different for everyone but 16gb is enough for me currently (Can't have as many 1gb games installed but never played them all at once anyway on my s4)
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SillyBearito said:
I'm in Canada on Rogers.
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I would say that's your biggest conundrum right there. Can't wait till my contract's up in Feb and I can go to Koodo or Virgin. Or perhaps not wait that long even and jump ship when I see a better deal
On-topic, as a noob to Android customization and a customer of Rogers, I would say go for the G2. It seems you wish to stay on-contract and you'd be getting the better deal hardware-wise.
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Kesmar88 said:
I would say that's your biggest conundrum right there. Can't wait till my contract's up in Feb and I can go to Koodo or Virgin. Or perhaps not wait that long even and jump ship when I see a better deal
On-topic, as a noob to Android customization and a customer of Rogers, I would say go for the G2. It seems you wish to stay on-contract and you'd be getting the better deal hardware-wise.
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I appreciate your input. It's not that I want I stay under contract, it's just more logical that way right now. And yes I fully agree on the hardware aspect. The only thing nexus has that's better is the software support. I'm eager to learn about rooting and using custom mods, buts it's hard to justify the nexus purchase just for that.
I did read somewhere that G2 will get KitKat eventually, maybe it'll get better?

SillyBearito said:
I appreciate your input. It's not that I want I stay under contract, it's just more logical that way right now. And yes I fully agree on the hardware aspect. The only thing nexus has that's better is the software support. I'm eager to learn about rooting and using custom mods, buts it's hard to justify the nexus purchase just for that.
I did read somewhere that G2 will get KitKat eventually, maybe it'll get better?
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LG is planning to release KitKat eventually, but there's no set date. Also, from prior experience, if you're going to rely on official OTA updates, Rogers is the worst on releasing them in a timely manner. My prior phone was an S2 LTE (Skyrocket) and it was the last one out of the S2 family to upgrade to ICS, not to mention it was not optimized at all and actually ran worse than Gingerbread. Thankfully, it was all good when the JB update showed up but that took a while as well. Since I'm not getting KitKat on it, I bought the N5 off the play store since carriers are only carrying 16 GB.

Kesmar88 said:
LG is planning to release KitKat eventually, but there's no set date. Also, from prior experience, if you're going to rely on official OTA updates, Rogers is the worst on releasing them in a timely manner. My prior phone was an S2 LTE (Skyrocket) and it was the last one out of the S2 family to upgrade to ICS, not to mention it was not optimized at all and actually ran worse than Gingerbread. Thankfully, it was all good when the JB update showed up but that took a while as well. Since I'm not getting KitKat on it, I bought the N5 off the play store since carriers are only carrying 16 GB.
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I can see the issue there. I'm hoping to not rely on Rogers and their OTA and just root it and update it myself. That reminds me, I should prob expect even more bloat with Rogers.
Or I could just go with the nexus and never have to worry about that.

Kesmar88 said:
LG is planning to release KitKat eventually, but there's no set date. Also, from prior experience, if you're going to rely on official OTA updates, Rogers is the worst on releasing them in a timely manner. My prior phone was an S2 LTE (Skyrocket) and it was the last one out of the S2 family to upgrade to ICS, not to mention it was not optimized at all and actually ran worse than Gingerbread. Thankfully, it was all good when the JB update showed up but that took a while as well. Since I'm not getting KitKat on it, I bought the N5 off the play store since carriers are only carrying 16 GB.
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As noted before if you want the quickest updates (official and unofficial) than the n5 is a must, if you want to take a lot of pictures than the camera on the G2 and storage space is better at that.
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Have you thought about getting a Iphone 5s on contract, selling it, then buying the nexus 5? I would do that instead of getting the nexus 5 directly from the carrier. That way you end up with extra money in your pockets since you can sell the Iphone for more then the nexus 5 costs from the play store.

hammester said:
Have you thought about getting a Iphone 5s on contract, selling it, then buying the nexus 5? I would do that instead of getting the nexus 5 directly from the carrier. That way you end up with extra money in your pockets since you can sell the Iphone for more then the nexus 5 costs from the play store.
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This is a great idea. Take a look at the resale value of the phones available without a contract. Pick the one that gives you the best profit and do that. Use the money to buy a Nexus 5 if you like the phone. I did that recently and actually have another $100 extra to spend on accessories.

AT&T Tab 4 8.0 Owners

Figured I'd stay a thread for those of us who have an AT&T Tab 4 SM-T337A variant. Anyone weeks have one? What are your thoughts? I'll probably post some in the coming days as I use it more.

I have the T-Mobile version, but it's pretty much the same. I am moving from an AT&T tab 3 7.0 and so far I am not sure if I'm impressed yet. One thing I have noticed is that there is not an ambient light sensor on this model. It's a small quirk, but something I feel should have been added. Overall build quality is ok, and it seems responsive to me, but I think once my case shows up I will be more inclined to use it as I normally do without worrying so much about scuffing it up.
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bl2128 said:
I have the T-Mobile version, but it's pretty much the same. I am moving from an AT&T tab 3 7.0 and so far I am not sure if I'm impressed yet. One thing I have noticed is that there is not an ambient light sensor on this model. It's a small quirk, but something I feel should have been added. Overall build quality is ok, and it seems responsive to me, but I think once my case shows up I will be more inclined to use it as I normally do without worrying so much about scuffing it up.
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The lack of an ambient light sensor was a real head scratcher for me too, especially because the Galaxy Tab 3 had one. I also noticed that they downgraded the camera. The Tab 3 8.0 had a 5 megapixel autofocus camera while the Tab 4 8.0 has a 3 megapixel fixed focus camera. Further, they seem to have gotten rid of the stereo speakers in favor of one mono speaker on the back. I don't get these decisions at all. I realize that the Tab 4's biggest upgrade over the Tab 3 is the processor, but did adding a quad core processor really make it so they had to skimp on the light sensor, speakers, and camera? If they needed to take something away, I'd have preferred they get rid of the IR blaster or vibrator, personally.
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Actually, I didn't have the vibrate function on the tab 3 and was didsappointed. I was happy to have one on the 4, but I have no idea why I would need it now. I would have rather seen that left out too. I'm really hoping to a root exploit soon so I can tinker with this one at least. I didn't really pay attention to the camera because I really don't use it. I really only use my tab for streaming music and poking around on the interwebs.
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Essentially, what Samsung said to us is "Here is the Galaxy Tab 4 8.0. It's $30 cheaper than last year's model, with a better processor and a vibrator, but we downgraded the speakers and camera and got rid of auto brightness."
This sounds absurd when you put it that way. I would have preferred "Here's the Galaxy Tab 4 8.0. It's $30 cheaper than last year's model, with a better processor, but we had to get rid of the IR blaster and continue to leave out a vibrator." To me, that sounds much more reasonable.
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oldblue910 said:
The lack of an ambient light sensor was a real head scratcher for me too, especially because the Galaxy Tab 3 had one. I also noticed that they downgraded the camera. The Tab 3 8.0 had a 5 megapixel autofocus camera while the Tab 4 8.0 has a 3 megapixel fixed focus camera. Further, they seem to have gotten rid of the stereo speakers in favor of one mono speaker on the back. I don't get these decisions at all. I realize that the Tab 4's biggest upgrade over the Tab 3 is the processor, but did adding a quad core processor really make it so they had to skimp on the light sensor, speakers, and camera? If they needed to take something away, I'd have preferred they get rid of the IR blaster or vibrator, personally.
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From what I read, the Tab line has been downgraded to make room for the pro series which had all the bells and whistles. I just picked my 8" model up yesterday. So far it does what I want just a bit laggy at times, hopefully something a recovery and kernel could fix.

mrksbrd said:
From what I read, the Tab line has been downgraded to make room for the pro series which had all the bells and whistles. I just picked my 8" model up yesterday. So far it does what I want just a bit laggy at times, hopefully something a recovery and kernel could fix.
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Yeah, the AT&T version's stock ROM definitely has some performance issues. Hopefully they'll get rectified with the first system update, whenever that happens.
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Wonder when the 4.4.2 stock firmware is going to be released.....i need security

mrksbrd said:
Wonder when the 4.4.2 stock firmware is going to be released.....i need security
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http://www.sammobile.com/firmwares/3/?download=34969

I *may* have some good news coming. I am working with a couple developers to at least get a custom recovery for the t337a. Hopefully they are successful. Will update when there is an update ?

Repeated from another post.. appropriate here as well
LTE Tab 4 models have Kids Mode removed
I spoke to Samsung Telecommunications US headquarters this week out of frustration of not having the Kids Mode App on our two new AT&T LTE Samsung Tab 4 devices and have confirmed that all LTE models have had the Kids Mode feature removed from their devices. And, the most frustrating thing is actually on Samsung's own website for the individual, specific LTE models which lists the Kids Mode feature as a key selling point. And yes, the first thing people say is: "Have you checked for the latest updates (Android & Samsung.) And, the answer is yes. I have confirmed this removal with Samsung and notified them that this is indeed a huge problem. Maybe not so much for me or for you who may thrive off all things tech, but for the grandparent or parent buying this for their child with the sole purpose of using this key selling feature to help protect their child. Their frustration and discomfort in trying to use what they've been sold and not being able to will only push them away from Samsung or other Android devices. It is a disservice to both the Samsung and Android names as well as to the customer. And it makes us maybe reflect on what we can learn from apple (which pains me to say): when they advertise a feature, it does work on their devices especially on the new ones and even more so on a product listed to have the feature. It's both disappointing and embarrassing to see as both a Samsung and Android supporter.
And one more thing that pains me as an AT&T employee, which I am but not in mobility, that must be said!.. Samsung and AT&T have thought of our kids protection and replaced the Kids Mode with another app. FAMIGO!.. which is a PAID subscription of $4.99 a month to protect your Child!! THINKING of this even more gets me so infuriated!! What an absolute disservice and embarrassment!!
Can anyone get the Kids Mode AK ported from the WiFi version so we can use it on this device?

pre4speed said:
I *may* have some good news coming. I am working with a couple developers to at least get a custom recovery for the t337a. Hopefully they are successful. Will update when there is an update
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Wish there was an update by now lol...
Patiently awaiting 5.0 on this pig...

ayekonify said:
Wish there was an update by now lol...
Patiently awaiting 5.0 on this pig...
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I thought all had seen. Sorry. No chance of recovery. Locked bootloader+little developer interest=no safestrap or other custom recovery.

couldn't we use flash fire to get custom roms , it works on the att version of the s5 , I have my tab 4 (8) rooted so I could use flash fire just need something to flash lol I almost tried flashing a rom for another carrier but dont want to brick my tablet.

superp32 said:
couldn't we use flash fire to get custom roms , it works on the att version of the s5 , I have my tab 4 (8) rooted so I could use flash fire just need something to flash lol I almost tried flashing a rom for another carrier but dont want to brick my tablet.
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I am testing FlashFire now for compatibility, so far so good it has no problems updating SuperSU thru flashing a zip file action. unfortunately there is no OEM firmware other than the original NF4 firmware, I will be looking into a build from the NK2 system dump however, system dumps are notoriously buggy.
Please don't ask for ETA's don't PM me with questions, give me a couple weeks to iron out any inconsistencies and we will se what happens.

cstayton said:
I am testing FlashFire now for compatibility, so far so good it has no problems updating SuperSU thru flashing a zip file action. unfortunately there is no OEM firmware other than the original NF4 firmware, I will be looking into a build from the NK2 system dump however, system dumps are notoriously buggy.
Please don't ask for ETA's don't PM me with questions, give me a couple weeks to iron out any inconsistencies and we will se what happens.
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When you use flashfire, do you have a black screen while it is carrying out the options you chose? Mine goes black but after it is complete, reboots normal. Scared the crap out of me the first time I used it. Lol

pre4speed said:
When you use flashfire, do you have a black screen while it is carrying out the options you chose? Mine goes black but after it is complete, reboots normal. Scared the crap out of me the first time I used it. Lol
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IKR tht feeling when you think you bricked but actually its just normal haha ;D i still get always scared sh*t out of me because ive had bad luck with odin flashes 4 times... I hate reflashing stock and install all apps and accounts again... almost 10 hours job...

It's nice to find a thread for AT&T Tab 4 8.0 owners. Are all of you on AT&T? I got mine unlocked, and I'm planning to use mine with TMO. It already works for their paid plans, but it can't sign up for their 200mb free plan (apparently because this tablet is not in their eligible database). I'm toying with the idea of flashing a TMO ROM to see if that'll work, but I'm guessing it won't.

goldentequila said:
It's nice to find a thread for AT&T Tab 4 8.0 owners. Are all of you on AT&T? I got mine unlocked, and I'm planning to use mine with TMO. It already works for their paid plans, but it can't sign up for their 200mb free plan (apparently because this tablet is not in their eligible database). I'm toying with the idea of flashing a TMO ROM to see if that'll work, but I'm guessing it won't.
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Out of curiosity without safestrap for this device, how do you plan on flashing another ROM to this phone since the bootloader is locked and visa vi no custom recovery?

Voice call
Has anyone figured out how to enable voice calls on the SM-T337A? I've rooted with Towelroot and tried to update the modem.bin file with the one for SM-T337T. No luck. Advance thanks.

Still happy with your Dev Edition or have you moved on?

So what is it? Are you still using and loving your Dev Edition S5 or have you moved on to something else?

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So what is it? Are you still using and loving your Dev Edition S5 or have you moved on to something else?
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Still rocking the Dev. Ed. S5, but honestly this is going to be my last Android on Verizon. I need my Android phones to be open and to get rapid security updates, so my next Android phone will be a Nexus device on Tmobile. I will keep my Verizon line but park, gasp, an iPhone on it.

timeToy said:
Still rocking the Dev. Ed. S5, but honestly this is going to be my last Android on Verizon. I need my Android phones to be open and to get rapid security updates, so my next Android phone will be a Nexus device on Tmobile. I will keep my Verizon line but park, gasp, an iPhone on it.
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I went the Nexus 6 route but stuck with Verizon and my unlimited data plan :good:

I'm still on my dev edition but seriously looking at the 2015 nexus 5 from LG (the 6" device from Huwei doesn't interest me, I've got a Note 4 that I don't use because it's too damn big, same issue with the iphone 6+ that's also an option through work). Since the LG will be based on the one of the SD808/810/820 there will probably be a Verizon version available since it's trivial to add VZW support with those chipsets. The other option I'm looking at is the upcoming Sony z4v if they allow unlock of the bootloader, but it will probably have as many issues as the S5 with updates so the Nexus is the frontrunner on that front (the SD card slot, Qi charging, and waterproof construction are pluses for the z4v)

I was wondering since google will release a security system update for android that allows hackers to get to ur phone by texting if I can call sammy tech support and have them upgrade my phone to that updated system and still keep it dev

I'm not on a Dev edition, but this will be my last Samsung phone as many others have said. I'm going to try to get the Nexus 6 2015 as soon as it comes out. Tired of the locked up phone by Verizon and Samsung, and having to debloat every update.
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Still rocking the Dev. Ed. S5, but honestly this is going to be my last Android on Verizon. I need my Android phones to be open and to get rapid security updates, so my next Android phone will be a Nexus device on Tmobile. I will keep my Verizon line but park, gasp, an iPhone on it.
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Having a Nexus on Verizon would be open as well... Google wouldn't allow Verizon to lock their phone. And the updates come straight from Google. Notice that there's no segregation in the nexus forum between carriers.
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I went the Nexus 6 route but stuck with Verizon and my unlimited data plan :good:
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Didn't want to wait for the 2015 Nexus 6?
afidel said:
I'm still on my dev edition but seriously looking at the 2015 nexus 5 from LG (the 6" device from Huwei doesn't interest me, I've got a Note 4 that I don't use because it's too damn big, same issue with the iphone 6+ that's also an option through work). Since the LG will be based on the one of the SD808/810/820 there will probably be a Verizon version available since it's trivial to add VZW support with those chipsets. The other option I'm looking at is the upcoming Sony z4v if they allow unlock of the bootloader, but it will probably have as many issues as the S5 with updates so the Nexus is the frontrunner on that front (the SD card slot, Qi charging, and waterproof construction are pluses for the z4v)
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There's no reason for Google to exclude the phone from Verizon, but the last time they made it, only phones purchased from Verizon or the Google Play store could be used on the Verizon network. Not sure if they changed that later.
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I was wondering since google will release a security system update for android that allows hackers to get to ur phone by texting if I can call sammy tech support and have them upgrade my phone to that updated system and still keep it dev
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Stagefright? There's already a patch for that, but not sure if you'll keep dev edition. I'm waiting for them to make it so we can update it and keep root.

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Didn't want to wait for the 2015 Nexus 6?
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A few months ago when I bought the 6, the new Nexus devices were a distant thought. I'm not sure the newer ones will be that much of an improvement over the current 6. Although, I did love the fingerprint sensor on the S5 with LastPass enabled!

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A few months ago when I bought the 6, the new Nexus devices were a distant thought. I'm not sure the newer ones will be that much of an improvement over the current 6. Although, I did love the fingerprint sensor on the S5 with LastPass enabled!
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Ah, a few months ago, I understand. I'm impatiently waiting for the new 6. I never liked Motorola's build quality after bad personal experiences with any of their phones.
The differences are:
2014
6" screen
2k res
13mp camera
3GB ram
Quad Core Snapdragon 805
3220 mAh Li-Po
2015
5.7" screen
2k res (rumored sAmoled display)
21 mp camera
3-4GB ram (probably 4GB)
Octa Core Snapdragon 810 or 820 (Rumor says 820 still has overheat issues)
3500 mAh battery
Aluminum body/fingerprint scanner on back
USB type C (hopefully USB 3.1 as well, or it would be a bit redundant).
I'm mostly looking forward to the new USB 3.1 standard and more ram over the S5. Everything else isn't that interesting. I'm not sure how I'll like the fingerprint scanner being on the back, I'm sure I'll need to get used to that.

Dev. Ed. S5 soldier on with OG5: http://forum.xda-developers.com/verizon-galaxy-s5/general/g900vvru2bog5-factoryodintarimage-t3179527

afidel said:
I'm still on my dev edition but seriously looking at the 2015 nexus 5 from LG (the 6" device from Huwei doesn't interest me, I've got a Note 4 that I don't use because it's too damn big, same issue with the iphone 6+ that's also an option through work). Since the LG will be based on the one of the SD808/810/820 there will probably be a Verizon version available since it's trivial to add VZW support with those chipsets. The other option I'm looking at is the upcoming Sony z4v if they allow unlock of the bootloader, but it will probably have as many issues as the S5 with updates so the Nexus is the frontrunner on that front (the SD card slot, Qi charging, and waterproof construction are pluses for the z4v)
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Will Locked Bootloader/No Root be the Norm moving forward for Samsung and T-Mobile ?

Hello guys I just wanted to get a better feel of how everyone else feels right now and in particular to the Galaxy S7 as well as s7 Edge on T-Mobile having a locked bootloader making root extremely difficult to get if not impossible. This was upsetting to me not because I wanted the S7 and S7 Edge but because this set a precedent for the Note 6 which is not yet released. I started my Journey with a Galaxy Note 2 and loved them ever since. I have very large hands so I definitely needed a large phone and I really quite liked the size and features. I then got the Note 4 and was certainly happy with it for over a year. I usually only hold onto phones for a short while but that phone did pretty much everything for me so I held onto it a while. Samsung announced the Note 5 and I decided to pass due to no more SD Card so I now needed to opt for at least 64gb and no IR blaster. So I decided I wouldn’t be getting that and would look at other options. I began my hunt and ultimately one of the few phones that met my standards was the Nexus 6P since it had a 5.7-inch screen which was Amoled and had a very good camera and I decided to try out stock Android since everyone always raves of its speed and updates. Plus, root on the 6P would be easy.
Anyway the 6P has been doing fine but the battery does leave a lot to be desired (I feel touchwiz does very well with its battery optimizations). Camera is also slightly better due to speed and manual controls as well as screen brightness. The next phone on my radar is the Note 6 but with the no root precedent I’m fairly concerned. To sum it up I feel we don’t have many 5.7 inch or larger phone options out there and was wondering what devices will you guys be looking at as Note competitors especially if the new Note 6 from, T-Mobile cant be rooted? It seems manufacturers like LG and HTC are not really coming out with Note competitors and if they do they are basterdized in some fashion (like lower specs and cameras). Just makes you wonder if they are not interested in the market.

Well, from what I know lg is doing seem. V10 just got an update that apparently locked down the phone. Can't even go down to lollipop if you took the MM update...I will say you should hold onto that nexus, rest of the flashaholics and root lovers will join you soon. Lol
But to answer original post, yes that is now the norm going forward.

Gotta see t-mobile Samsung devices locked up one more time to tell.
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TarquinnBlackwood said:
Gotta see t-mobile Samsung devices locked up one more time to tell.
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Yes, I would agree, one more locked Samsung from Tmobile will confirm, but I would be very surprised if it came UNlocked...

mgbotoe said:
Well, from what I know lg is doing seem. V10 just got an update that apparently locked down the phone. Can't even go down to lollipop if you took the MM update...I will say you should hold onto that nexus, rest of the flashaholics and root lovers will join you soon. Lol
But to answer original post, yes that is now the norm going forward.
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This will be really sad if so. Nexus devices are fine but sometimes dont bring all the best features. If the phone is less than 5.7 inches and no Amoled its a non start for me. Liked the HTC 10 but 5.2 inch screen is no go for me lol.
TarquinnBlackwood said:
Gotta see t-mobile Samsung devices locked up one more time to tell.
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True, will be anxiously waiting.
DroidPro35 said:
Yes, I would agree, one more locked Samsung from Tmobile will confirm, but I would be very surprised if it came UNlocked...
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Thanks for your input. makes sense.

Note 6 will be locked down.