Request to Moderators and Admins - Galaxy Tab 3 General

I see we have all Galaxy TAB3 mix together. As a Starting area I guess was OK.
But please understand that Galaxy TAB 3 10.1 are an entire Beast base in x86 architecture.. A lot of what is been commented for other models may not apply!!
I am trying to convince you that we 10.1 users need a separate area where we can be allowed to expose our needs. For this obvious reason Most of us find our-self posting inside:
Galaxy Tab 3 10.1 Android Development
I know in many times in clear violations of the rule in:
[WARNING: READ ME 1st] If YOU DID NOT CREATE "it" THEN IT DOESN'T BELONG IN HERE
This 10.1 x86 Devices are new and to little is in fact available. So almost all threads in the development area may violate:
"If your thread can be phrased as a question, it DEFINITELY doesn't belong in Development "
Yes this are in fact questions of people looking for answers really hard to find since it is a new device!
I am a guy who believe in rules and try to obey them. That I know no one yet has received a complaint. But please understand us when we try to maintain our-self in one Clearly Galaxy Tab3 10.1 area. Plus most of us try to ask the few "NEW" developers that may be the only ones having not the right, but maybe close or best answer.
I do not want to change the format of this forum, nor have the right answer to this dilemma. But we need a waiver to the "phrased as a question..., doesn't belong in Development ". Or a Separate Q/A area dedicated for TAB 10.1
In the other hand at this point in our discovery there may be not "The Right Answer" available. So we may offer the best approach. So it will be also weird to have a Q/A where the answers are not the ANSWER but suggestions!
So I hope to see an official view. In any point, please feel free to delete this post if you find it inappropriate. Thanks for your hard work.
I hope you understand my point,
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All those three tabs are different to each other. The 8 inch variant has another processor as the 7 inch. The 7 inch has a version with another processor too.
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fabi280 said:
All those three tabs are different to each other. The 8 inch variant has another processor as the 7 inch. The 7 inch has a version with another processor too.
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You are totaly right. I do not want to argue with you. But to convince you guys about our limited situation.
But even thought they have different processors they are in fact ARM devices.
The 10.1 is in fact an x86 processor! This make very difficult for Developers to come up with solutions, for example our TWRP and CWM are very unofficial, rudimentary, untrusted failing in many cases, requiring the User to understand its limitations and use them with special steps to overcome the limitations. All Rom alternatives are just Repack Stock Roms with deleted and added components. CM10 or even AOSP is just a dream at this point. Lets hope it change soon.

Hello.
For your questions post in the "Galaxy Tab 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting" section, it is there for all the Galaxy Tab 3 models. You can specify in the title or in the OP what model your thread is about.

I second this as having the x86 arch. is going to hopefully enable us to run other os's on our 10.1's and having separate sub-forums similar to how the HD2 has it will make for more organized development.

agree. prob not a good idea to lump all the tab 3 together.
The Tab 3 7.0 inch is a real slug - I returned it and got a note 8. But i'll bet the Tab 3 8.0 is probably much smoother as is the 10.1 I would imagine.

Related

Section Guidelines -- READ THIS FIRST

This area is currently experimental and was set up by the XDA Administrators for development discussion. The idea in this section is for developers (not only recognized developers, but all developers) to have a place for discussion threads to "talk shop." What kind of talk? Some topics (that I'm making up as I type this) might include (and are certainly not limited to):
Overriding the power widget in the notification dropdown
Considerations of using gcc versions other than 4.4.3 for compiling the kernel
Exynos: discussion on working around the SOC wake from sleep delay
This isn't a Q&A forum. However, developers might kick off discussions with a question. The difference? This belongs in Q&A: "My phone wakes up slow, will it go faster if I take my sdcard out?" On the other hand, the following might belong in this new section: "Has anyone tried adjusting the mmc detection timeouts to see if there's an impact on the SOC wakeup delays?" The assumption here is that the person asking the latter question actually knows what a mmc detection timeout is, how they'd change it, and has started to play around with it before posting the question.
As well, this section is not for posting finished products or "advertising" of kernels, apps, etc. This section is to discuss the process, not for the end result.
The hope (at least my own hope) is that developers can discuss things here instead of resorting the various other methods of communication we've used. At the same time, newer developers and even non-developers can LEARN from the conversations and eventually participate.
Depending on the reception (and difficulty moderating, probably) this experiment will either be expanded for other device types, completely shut down as a failure, or adjusted. Obviously, if we developers don't use it, it might be considered a waste of time and dissolved.
This section will be very closely moderated by moderators who are also developers and non-development discussion will be harshly dealt with.
I REALLY hope this will encourage more devs to spend time with open communication. This is XDA-Developers. Let's do development.
Edit (Jan 8th, 2013):
Clarifying "finished products" above: The threads in this section will likely spawn off or involve distinct programs/kernels/firmwares , and once a distinct product results, a separate thread
outside of this section should be created for supporting that distinct product. A link to that thread is welcome in the source thread here, but this section shouldn't be used to contain support or release posts.
Take care
Gary
Thanks a lot for this. Had requested this for N7000 forums, but oh well
But I still feel we could benefit from such a thread there as well..
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Had requested this for N7000 forums...
...still feel we could benefit from such a thread there as well..
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The N7000 is very similar to the N7100 - just lacking a pair of cores, but still the same processor arch and I think the n7000 is getting JB with the same TW layer as the n7100, isn't it?
It seems to be that most of "note II" dev level discussion would be very similar to the original note (as well as the SGS3) so I wouldn't complain if it was done here. Of course, the real moderators might disagree with me, so it might help if Someone Important would chime in.
Take care
Gary
garyd9 said:
The N7000 is very similar to the N7100 - just lacking a pair of cores, but still the same processor arch and I think the n7000 is getting JB with the same TW layer as the n7100, isn't it?
It seems to be that most of "note II" dev level discussion would be very similar to the original note (as well as the SGS3) so I wouldn't complain if it was done here. Of course, the real moderators might disagree with me, so it might help if Someone Important would chime in.
Take care
Gary
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doesnt matter. We keep moving across both forums anyways.
garyd9 said:
The N7000 is very similar to the N7100 - just lacking a pair of cores, but still the same processor arch and I think the n7000 is getting JB with the same TW layer as the n7100, isn't it?
It seems to be that most of "note II" dev level discussion would be very similar to the original note (as well as the SGS3) so I wouldn't complain if it was done here. Of course, the real moderators might disagree with me, so it might help if Someone Important would chime in.
Take care
Gary
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Actually they're still quite different to each other on the low hardware level even if they use the same IP blocks on the SoC, the SoC itself is basically built anew from what I understand. The non-existent 4212 is what you're describing there.
If you would have categorized these development forums I would have rather have them grouped on a per platform basis, and in that regard, as you know with my work, they are basically identical as they're based on this same "Midas" platform. This includes the S3 and all its variants, the Note 2 and all its variants, and the Galaxy Camera.
AndreiLux said:
If you would have categorized these development forums I would have rather have them grouped on a per platform basis, and in that regard, as you know with my work, they are basically identical as they're based on this same "Midas" platform. This includes the S3 and all its variants, the Note 2 and all its variants, and the Galaxy Camera.
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I agree on some of the SGS3 variants, but NOT the qualcomm variants of the SGS3. The sgs3 (exynos) also has a very similar version of TW as well now. I have no idea about the camera...
There's a chance that the i9300 device might eventually link to here... Keep in mind that it's still an experimental section, and while there's no leeway for non-dev posts, there's surely of leeway for non-Note II dev stuff (at least when it's similar to the Note2)
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Clarifying "finished products" above: The threads in this section will likely spawn off or involve distinct programs/kernels/firmwares , and once a distinct product results, a separate thread outside of this section should be created for supporting that distinct product. A link to that thread is welcome in the source thread here, but this section shouldn't be used to contain support or release posts.

No Seperation between Wifi and 3G units?

so i plan on getting my gf the samsung galaxy tab 2 7" model
but there is 5 pages of post here, and looks like there is a mix of just wifi units and wifi/3g units so why is there no thread separation, like you get in alot of other sections, hell even some sections have separation of carrier if the radios for the carries are different
it just a little hard to get through all of them, especially when i'm just looking for the wifi models and then i look at a something someone made and its not for the model i'm getting for her
is there any plans on making a separation for the wifi only and the wifi/3g units or no?
I agree, I think they should be separated also. Although the 3113 CAN use 3100 roms, and I believe there are other variations of compatibility. It can still be cumbersome scrolling through incompatible roms.
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Doubt any plans to separate. One request for you tho, please don't post question threads in the dev forum. Post question threads in the questions forum. Thx.
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so i plan on getting my gf the samsung galaxy tab 2 7" model
but there is 5 pages of post here, and looks like there is a mix of just wifi units and wifi/3g units so why is there no thread separation, like you get in alot of other sections, hell even some sections have separation of carrier if the radios for the carries are different
it just a little hard to get through all of them, especially when i'm just looking for the wifi models and then i look at a something someone made and its not for the model i'm getting for her
is there any plans on making a separation for the wifi only and the wifi/3g units or no?
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Call me old fashioned but I tend to use the forum search engine for navigation and simple question finding. If you had done that , then you would work out that most ROMS are getting merged.Such as 3110/3113 are exactly the same thing and devs are making builds universal now ( see CM10 for an example) In fact you can use any 31xx on any 31xx device (But don't expect a Phone ROM to work on a Wifi only ROM as its hardware not software that makes it ring)
Its ironic that you post about too many threads in the development forum , then post in it asking a question lol. To be honest we are hardly flush with ROMs to choose from in this forum ( No disrespect to any dev intended, just stating a fact)
You are old fashioned
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Questions should be posted in Q&A forums, not Development forums.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/announcement.php?a=81
See rule #15
Thread moved.
yes i am aware this should of been posted in the Q&A section and slap my hands for it
but i felt after 5 pages of threads some house keeping should of went in place and some sort of separation should of went in
but i also know this kind of question gets ignored in the Q&A section till everyone starts complaining about it
and by that point the house keeping for it gets, well undesirable to be fixed
beyond this time i have behaved and put my questions in the Q&A section unless it was part of the original thread it was in
yes i did use the search engine and that is how i found my first few relevant post, but after the first few that is when i go to the begin of the tree
and then see if there is separation so i'm not going through each search result of not need to look at info
and with what you stating with cross compatible roms, that just means you would have a section for none cross for each in general and the section for cross compatible roms as you point out that its the hardware series in general that makes it possible
but now the major question remains on when or if i will be able to get ahold of one, as most of the places i turn to for my electronics are out of stock of the units, but time will tell

I guess for that we need an separate forum!

http://www.xda-developers.com/android/linux-3-4-kernel-for-the-galaxy-s-plus-gt-i9001/
PLEASE! DO A SGS+ FORUM! WE DESERVE IT!!
p.s: For this i will get an big advertisment but it's ok :laugh:
AW: I guess for that we need an separate forum!
anyone should Start a Petition that we can sign and Hand over To the mods.
And op's please leave this thread in dev section althoug its not directly dev but its only about splus
We should have our own forum idd. Why? Because the i8150 even has his own forum. and we have more development then the i8150
Let's all post as much curse words as possible so we draw the attention of the mods so they will see this thread.
Okay I begin I guess....
No just kidding! You are right we need a seperate forum for our device we always argue with ppl posting **** in the wrong thread
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We should have our own forum idd. Why? Because the i8150 even has his own forum. and we have more development then the i8150
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This is true that we have more development but I don't really see why that would be a comparison.
It would be great if we had a separate forum but in the mod's and admins eyes, we are only an extension/upgrade of the i9000. I can't fathom how many times I have seen this kind of discussion in these forums and how many times the mod's just simply said "No." Well, they have made many changes recently to make sure spam stays minimal so it might be possible if we approach with the fact that having no separate forum creates an unbelievable amount of spam, which is actually pretty damn true.
Xistance said:
This is true that we have more development but I don't really see why that would be a comparison.
It would be great if we had a separate forum but in the mod's and admins eyes, we are only an extension/upgrade of the i9000. I can't fathom how many times I have seen this kind of discussion in these forums and how many times the mod's just simply said "No." Well, they have made many changes recently to make sure spam stays minimal so it might be possible if we approach with the fact that having no separate forum creates an unbelievable amount of spam, which is actually pretty damn true.
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Well, I think you're actually right. but it's justa pity that we don't have other forums. although it doesn't slow down the development at all! it's only increasing and increasin
But I must admit that asking a Q in the i9000 Q&A forum is just terrible. since it's so i9000 orientated.
But idd the mods just won't change it ever. period
R: I guess for that we need an separate forum!
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Well, I think you're actually right. but it's justa pity that we don't have other forums. although it doesn't slow down the development at all! it's only increasing and increasin
But I must admit that asking a Q in the i9000 Q&A forum is just terrible. since it's so i9000 orientated.
But idd the mods just won't change it ever. period
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If i9001 had a separate forum or had a dedicated section in the i8150 one we would eliminate lots of spam threads or "which ROM is better?" ones
Inviato dal mio frigo a pedali.
i don't think having a separated forum will have any use . we have 1 gb rom still active , 3 ics roms and maybe 3 or 4 jb roms . 4 kernels focused on jb , 1 on ics and 1 on jb . a separate forum for 14 topics ? the only use of a separate forum would be that modders and app devs like brood can get more organized , but brood implements everything he does into his rom forums and modders are getting fewer by the day . and our device is getting old .
probably , after the release of klp most people will move to another device and the forum will be dead . having in consideration that a phone's life is , by industry standard , 2 years ..well we're basically getting a separate forum for a few months afterwards we all would move onto a new device .
it has no use . i9001 has an amazing developing team for a niche device , but all this fuss is not worth it seeing that this is a close knitted , close to a thousand user community .
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Already asked several times to our moderators. Whiskey01 answerd back that they would take it in to a count and they would let us know if any thing changed.
Sure..This will be..ahm..
Never?
R: I guess for that we need an separate forum!
No, the day after never.
Inviato dal mio frigo a pedali.
the real problem is that i9001 is seen as an upgrade of i9000, but they are really different, i discovered only few weeks ago that our Q&A section is in the i9000 one.... and i think it is nonsense, why i have to go in i9000 Q&A to make a question for i9001? it is so confusing, people risk to brick their phones by misreading i9000-i9001 (some i9000 users answer i9001 questions thinking is the same thing.... but even button combination to get in recovery is different)
It could be better if we at least we have a new separate general section :fingers-crossed:
So that development section would be spared from unnecessary threads.
Let's ask the moderator about this :thumbup:
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I9070 has a few ROMs / kernels but it has a separated forum !!!!! I'm agree with new forum
I also agree the idea, normal S is completely different phone than our plus.
Yep we need a separate forum.
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s and s plus are totally diferent... only have the same appearence
There are a lot of phones out there which have way less development than our great device and have their own forum anyway. I mean come on, our great dev community managed to port kernel 3.4 - and it's as good as bugless! We have a close to beta version of CM10.1, and there are coming up new devs all the time.
Furthermore, the thing with the Q&A thread in i9000 Q&A forum is confusing as hell. Our device has f*ing nothing to do with i9000! And this is also a reason why the dev section is being spammed all the time (I gotta admit that I also once spammed because I was so confused)
So I agree, PLEASE GIVE US OUR OWN FORUM!
I know I just said a lot of things that were mentioned earlier in this thread, but I just wanted to sum it all up.
AW: I guess for that we need an separate forum!
They think that our device is just an other version of the i9000 but the i9070 is just an other version of the i9100, too and the i9070 has his own forum.
And withe an own forum we won't have so many Q/A in development died or how its called
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Nexus 5 or something else?

Hello
I think my Desire Z might have just died. I was waiting for Project Ara to produce something but after they have announced a worthless test run in Puerto Rico I have no choice....
My 1st choice from the start has been the Nexus 5. The ability to choose and every ROM is I think awesome.
I also looked at the Samsung Galaxy K zoom but I have quickly discarded it as I see no ROM development.
So, should I go with the Nexus 5 or do you recommend something else?
riahc3 said:
Hello
I think my Desire Z might have just died. I was waiting for Project Ara to produce something but after they have announced a worthless test run in Puerto Rico I have no choice....
My 1st choice from the start has been the Nexus 5. The ability to choose and every ROM is I think awesome.
I also looked at the Samsung Galaxy K zoom but I have quickly discarded it as I see no ROM development.
So, should I go with the Nexus 5 or do you recommend something else?
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I like the new Motorola devices like the moto x moto g droid ultra and nexus 6 but my favorite phone to rom is the note 2
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Nexus 6 giveaway
If you have not talked to me and your interested pm me.
Don't ask about it in someone's thread that's rude.
Thats it? One suggestion from XDA?
I'm still using the Nexus 5 and it's working after as smooth as ever! Nexus 6 IMO too expensive ATM..
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Thats it? One suggestion from XDA?
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Yes, because everyone else knows the rule that any and all 'what phone should I get' questions go in the designated thread.
This one: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1620179
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Well depends on your budget that is. Nexus 6 is too costly and Nexus 5 is the right money for the right device. But if I were I would look into the OnePlus One.
ShadowLea said:
Yes, because everyone else knows the rule that any and all 'what phone should I get' questions go in the designated thread.
This one: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1620179
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Yes, because you and others, find it so fun to go thru a 1237 page thread were there are dozens of people asking and talking about what phone to get.
And AFAIK, there is no rule that asking what phone to get with my requirements and/or price range should belong in that thread.
Just look at the first post:
mines is either galaxy s3 or galaxy note for t-mobile
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It doesnt even state a guideline, requirements, etc.....I could put Im getting a Nexus 5 and nothing else.
Im sorry for brutally owning you like that but someone has to do it
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Well depends on your budget that is. Nexus 6 is too costly and Nexus 5 is the right money for the right device. But if I were I would look into the OnePlus One.
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Yeah, price range for me would be Nexus 5 but that is dynamic depending on what else is out there.
I have been recommended the OnePlus One (or Two) as well. The only issue I have with it is that they are going now with this is OxygenOS (yet another distro of Android just like Linux has Ubuntu, Debian, Red Hat, etc.) and I feel that is a stepback. Also, I really miss that it has no microSD (this is getting more common also this applies to the Nexus 5) and no wireless charging. But, it is a awesome phone nonetheless.
riahc3 said:
Yes, because you and others, find it so fun to go thru a 1237 page thread were there are dozens of people asking and talking about what phone to get.
And AFAIK, there is no rule that asking what phone to get with my requirements and/or price range should belong in that thread.
Just look at the first post:
It doesnt even state a guideline, requirements, etc.....I could put Im getting a Nexus 5 and nothing else.
Im sorry for brutally owning you like that but someone has to do it
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If you call that owning you haven't been on the internet long enough. I'm a woman on the internet. I'm used to far worse.
If you'd taken a minute to see why all other threads identical to yours end up locked, you'd see that the collective mod reply is identical to mine.
But if you require an example, here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2611756
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3006574
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3006580
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3003009
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3001793
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2998323
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2985689
Shall I go on, or is the point clear enough?
You've been here long enough to know this.
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riahc3 said:
I have been recommended the OnePlus One (or Two) as well. The only issue I have with it is that they are going now with this is OxygenOS (yet another distro of Android just like Linux has Ubuntu, Debian, Red Hat, etc.) and I feel that is a stepback. Also, I really miss that it has no microSD (this is getting more common also this applies to the Nexus 5) and no wireless charging. But, it is a awesome phone nonetheless.
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Bro I'm a Linux user, I know what distros are an I also know about OxygenOS but CM and PA still officially supports the OPO. So I don't see the problem here. You can always wipe and flash
And secondly about the storage, The Nexus 5 16GB costs $349 And the OnePlus One 64GB costs $349 so its a better deal than the Nexus plus the One had a better hardware from all aspects. Plus a lot of sensors. So it's still up to you which one your prefer man.
riahc3 said:
Yes, because you and others, find it so fun to go thru a 1237 page thread were there are dozens of people asking and talking about what phone to get.
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People don't read from the beginning. They read the most recent posts. Because they're not stupid, and (usually) don't reply to posts that are several years old. Frankly, I'm surprised this thread hasn't been locked/merged already.
That said, look at the LG G2. Same guts as the Nexus 5, but with a far superior camera, much bigger battery, and slightly bigger screen (in practically the same size body). Development doesn't match the Nexus 5, but that's like saying aftermarket customization doesn't match a Honda Civic. Alternative, but a bit more expensive (yet still cheap), there's the OnePlus One. It's basically an unofficial Nexus 5.5.
Lg g2, a better nexus 5 with a low street price
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ShadowLea said:
If you call that owning you haven't been on the internet long enough. I'm a woman on the internet. I'm used to far worse.
If you'd taken a minute to see why all other threads identical to yours end up locked, you'd see that the collective mod reply is identical to mine.
But if you require an example, here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2611756
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3006574
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3006580
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3003009
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3001793
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2998323
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2985689
Shall I go on, or is the point clear enough?
You've been here long enough to know this.
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1st thread - Closed because it was replied to a year later
2nd thread - Closing it doesnt even make sense. Its a tablet thread and it gets redirected to a smartphone thread?
3rd thread - Very little information
4th thread- First reply, is a spamfest of websites
5th thread - Asking for chinese products and then getting like 5 a spamfest of websites
6th thread - Same as 4 and 5
7th thread - This one takes the cake. How can you ask about two phones, for whatever reason, and have the thread closed?
If its going to be like that, my suggestion towards XDA is simply close all sections including phone sections except phone development sections . If XDA strictly wants to dedicate itself to development and wont allow simple questions, then fine. But come on, closing some of those threads were pathetic more so the tablet ones.
Make a entire subsection for "What device should I get". This way you dont have clutter in the general sections.
Also, it is pathetic that you use the sex card to make yourself look like a victim. I am disgusted by your attitude when there are women around the globe being sexually harrassed and even burned. You should feel ashamed of yourself for even mentioning after getting owned that you are a woman. Very disrespectful.
People don't read from the beginning. They read the most recent posts. Because they're not stupid, and (usually) don't reply to posts that are several years old. Frankly, I'm surprised this thread hasn't been locked/merged already.
That said, look at the LG G2. Same guts as the Nexus 5, but with a far superior camera, much bigger battery, and slightly bigger screen (in practically the same size body). Development doesn't match the Nexus 5, but that's like saying aftermarket customization doesn't match a Honda Civic. Alternative, but a bit more expensive (yet still cheap), there's the OnePlus One. It's basically an unofficial Nexus 5.5.
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Thats the exact problem: Someone posts "I want a phone" on page (lets say) 500. Same day a couple of people post the same thing and now the thread is at page 502. People wont go back to page 500 to help that person, they will just go to 502 and help whatever they see on that page.
It is TOO long of a thread to have a continous discussion about one member's option.
The real issue here is that xda has a lot of users. If even a small fraction of them opened threads to ask for advice on which device to purchase then many "more important" threads would get buried by the sheer volume of these threads. xda doesn't want to ban these discussions outright, so there currently are 3 threads devoted to discussions about devices, please repost your question in one of these three threads: The what should I buy thread or the The Device Suggestion Thread or the The Device Comparison Thread.
Thanks!

Should the Pixel and Pixel XL forms combine?

I posted a poll on the Pixel XL forum. Please vote if you have an opinion on this.
Right now on XDA we have separate forums for the Pixel and Pixel XL. For the first time (that I can think of) we have two identical Android phones in two sizes.I don't know how popular iPhones forums are on XDA but they don't have separate forums for the regular and plus versions. There isn't iPhone forums on XDA.
It seems like both Pixel and Pixel XL forms already have topics covering both devices. What are your thoughts on combining forums?
In my opinion, it depends on if the ROM, kernel and theme development will differ between the two phones. In theory, it would seem that the development for each would be identical because the internals are identical. However, I'm not sure how the screen size/resolution will play into that.
Plus, accessories such as cases and screen protectors for the Pixel vs the Pixel XL are also going to be different. This might make the "Accessories" section more confusing if the two forums were combined.
Yes, Combine
I'd say, combine everything but the Accessories.
PSA, the Galaxy Tab Pro series has a combined xda forum, for the 8", 10", and 12" sizes
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Stephen said:
I'll bring this up with the forum moderators for this forum and see what they think. My personal view is, the Pixel XL and Pixel phones should get a lot of traffic, based on the previous phones, I think 2 forums are warranted. We could get confusion when people are asking questions in the Q&A section for example regarding which phone they ware wanting support for etc. Also we would need to find out if the ROM's have different basis as well, if they did then it would almost certainly need two forums.
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Woody said:
Agree with @Stephen ...but there are a few caveats that we need to look at first and unfortunately that can't be done until some development begins. First, are there any nuances in the architecture that differentiate the X from the XL? On the front face, only the display and battery are different, but as we all know that doesn't mean the rest is identical. Maybe there is something buried deep in the kernel or a line in one of the props that may seem miniscule, but throws everything out of wack.
Something that we can possibly look at in the future would be combination, but with some restructure. What I mean here is that we can have the Guides/News, Accessories, Themes/Apps/Mods and QA sections combined, but separate the X and XL Development sections from one another. That will make sure that if you are just asking a general question or need a guide, you can look in the combined section. But if you are looking for a specific ROM build, you will have to go into your specific arena.
Ultimately, we need to get devices in hand and a better analysis of the system dumps that we currently have. Those will tell the tale.
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Combine if...
If there is a simple way for devs to make all work compatible for both - Combine
I would like to cast another vote to have a combined subforum as well. Yes, there are some differences between the devices, but the development that has been happening so far (dePixel8, SuperSU and TWRP, to name a few examples) have either worked for both devices or the developers have published separate builds for each device. I like the idea of a "Unified" sections, much like the Samsung Galaxy S4 subforum that exists. It can be at the OP/developer's discretion to create a release in the unified section, or just for one specific device.
@Stephen, now that some time has passed and development is very similar for both devices, is it possible to combine the forums into something like the S4 has? There has been a lot of double posting between the two separate devices, in both general questions as well as development.
Well, I want to know what this is referencing.
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Yea I definitely think they should be combined. They should each have their own accessories forum obv but everything else should be joined. For the development forums there should be a requirement that when you post a ROM/Mod/whatever that you start the title with either
"Pixel"
"Pixel XL"
"BOTH"
To me it's a no brainier. Would be so much easier using this format and joining the forums
I have already combined them in my head. I treat them all the same. So yea, one would be awesome.
Please combine! Im guessing we're missing some great threads and info, and they are as well.
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I can see the validity of both sides but we are definitely missing some very good information that is present on the XL forums that hold true for the Pixel. For instance, this thread by a forum moderator https://forum.xda-developers.com/pixel-xl/how-to/guide-how-to-unlock-root-flash-pixel-xl-t3507886 which to me is a redo of the Heisenberg 5x and 6P threads that were so valuable for the past year. But perhaps they should ask the devs as they are the ones who will have to deal with differentiating the devices, or perhaps making it easier for them if it holds for both devices. Personally, I don't believe there is enough traffic in either to warrant separate forums, but that is my opinion only and I'm sure the mods have their own thoughts.
So who do we actually go to in order to see if this is something they would even consider

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